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Haha ok I read through what you were saying again. and now I understand what u were trying to say. This was just a big misunderstanding. The US is indeed involved in u.n missions that are not directly In it's  intrests all I'm sayin is that these are part of it's role on the security council.

Kobojunkie:
[size=14pt]ROFLMAO!!!! [/size]

I see it is goal post shifting time, huh??  WOW . . . . so, even though most of the missions are U.N missions, America, a country, is still required to have stepped out, BEFORE the U.N to save lives in Sudan ROFLMAO!!

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no you are utterly misurderstanding my whole arguemnt,  what i am saying is that the U.S (like any other country) never acts outside its interests because the average american doesnt care much about foriegn affairs. the U.S also uses humanitarianism as a cover for protecting its interests at the detrement of other countries. (see the american liberation of the philipines)
this is why they will not intervene in libya.

The united nations didnt intervene to STOP THE KILLING OF 200,000 South sudanese. it only got involved when all that was over.

Kobojunkie:
OMGosh!!! So you do KNOW that the U.S does go out on U.N Security Council sanctioned missions(For a minute there I thought you were just another nairaland numskull that probably needed to be spoon-fed information little by little),and it does not necessarily go ahead unless in special cases. But here you are pretending the U.S itself should jump out ahead of the U.N council to go save Libyans?

Please, let us use our heads more! The U.S rarely goes on these missions except when the U.N in involved. And it is almost always the case that the U.S is involved in most every U.N security outing. I am not sure what you mean when you now decide the only time the U.S gets involved is when it has something to gain, when this same country is known all around the world for being a part of U.N missions such as this, even the Somalia, and Sudanese cases cannot be told without mentioning the fact that U.S forces were present even then. 

Why now expect the U.S to act as world police when many of you have made it more than clear that you do not welcome the U.S serving in that capacity? Why not focus on the U.N in this instead??

When did i say i wanted the U.S to get involved in libya? im making the opposite arguement. a stable somalia would be good for americas interests that is obvious. every other mission the U.S was involved in were for its interests. thats all im saying.

im really not sure what you talking about.

Kobojunkie:
They also simply don't care? You mean the many other times America intervened, and people like you immediately declared them invaders and enemies, in those they cared?? WOW !!!

PS. America was in Sudan, only that was more a humanitarian mission. I believe the country learnt from Somalia that it is better to stay clear of the local issues, and focus instead of helping the refugees. But then again, I would not expect you to admit that since it seems America is ALWAYS evil to you, no matter what it does.  

i will admit, that some of the things i say about the U.S are unnecessarily pointed. America is not evil. keep in mind that it was not America alone that invaded Somalia it was the U.N.  the security council leads this group and America leads the council (debatable) thus, the u.s was obligated to take part in the mission,  that failed,  there are HUGE strategic interests in Somalia,  its a window on the middle east the French have a military base their. and a stable Somalia would counter balance extremism. also you must remember how the American public reacted to the American involvement. it was mostly negative. Because as i said earlier the majority of American are more concerned with things like the economy and gay marriage than foreign affairs. The majority of Americans dont care.
and in Sudan its was not the U.S it was the U.N, do you remember how people criticized the U.S governement for not doing anything? they were people like you who mistook the U.s gov for a humanititarian organization.  i will admit that the U.N did do a great deal of good but only intervened when the violence was mostly over.

Kobojunkie:
It's interesting how, the same you would be up in arms if this was a thread with UN and UN member states calling for Qaddafi to step down. What has owning of nuclear weapons, and aircraft carriers to do with the power of the AU? Who told you Qaddafi is the leader of the organization?

ha ha the Aircraft carrier bit was just an inside joke,  But yes I'm not a big fan of the U.N either. its really just a paper tiger. for example during the crisis in Rwanda and Sudan were was the U.N? they only came in after the violence ended for peacekeeping, and when the U.N accused Israel of war crimes, nothing became of that either. they really only seem to be capable of acting in Americas intrests. like Cuba and K. Korea,  do you think the children in N. Korea  would be starving without the U.N sanctions?,  and to make matters worse when sanctions were proposed on the united states because by a Latin American country (guatamala?) it made it all the way to the security council were it was voted down by,  guess who?
if the U.N is this ineffective what makes the A.U any different?
Ghaddafi is not the official leader of the A.U. but he is the "king of kings of africa" remember? and the primary finiancier of the organization

It's more urgent to get nigerians out of Libya than for other countries because of the anti-black xenophobia that is gripping the middle east becuz of ghadafis mercenaries. 70-80 black ppl were killed in turkey already.

Haha I was joking About the carrier I dont want to attack Ghana or any one else. We all know that Cameroon is the real threat.

I hope you are Aware that the majority of Americans cannot even locate Libya on a map. The also simply don't care. People don't realize how apathetic Americans are. And as for the u.s government it only acts in it's intrests it is not a humanitariAn organization, if you researced all the evil the u.s gov has caused you would know this. America only uses words like humanitarian mission peacekeeping liberation and freedom when it has something to gain, Look at south Sudan there were no American instrests there so america didn't intervene

[quote author=MzD@rkSkin link=topic=612969.msg7808659#msg7808659 date=1298786238][color=teal]I mean maybe they are not her/your taste in men, it doesn't mean they are ugly.
[/color][/quote]haha let's not sugar coat this. "Ugly" attracts ugly and the poster is unaware that she is Infact considered ugly because people have lied to her. Telling her she it attractive.

Because you she is not as pretty as you think.

[quote author=tpiah! link=topic=612517.msg7808121#msg7808121 date=1298765286]Factbox: Libya evacuations by country

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110226/wl_nm/us_libya_protests_evacuation[/quote]Woah, China evacuated 12 thousand citizens? And they have about 24 thousand more to go. They are truly alot of Chinese people in this world.

So is ghaddafi going to step down just because the African union tells him to? No. Does the African union have any real power?no. does the African union have an aircraft carrier or nuclear wepons? No. So let's be frank the African union is a poinless organization that is not united to begin with, And ghadafi is it's leader.

people act like the government is a seperate entity from the people, the government is the people, because it is made up of the people. Sometimes i wonder if many nigerians who complain would not be just as corrupt as the people they complain about.

corruption has saturated nigerian culture, police take bribes, teachers take bribes, 419, etc, etc, the only why to fix corruption is to fix the culture, and we must start with ourselves.

Andre Uweh:
I do not go about insulting people, but I reciprocate x2 when insulted. As you can see that I did not insult the guy first. I only asked a question about something hitherto unknown to me.

Ok then let me ask you this: what sort of answer did you expect why you asked why all ghanain girls are ugly?
did you expect a serious scientific response detailing how only ugly women were genetically able to make the arduous journey to the U.K? we all know that beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, so there was no way someone could explain to you why Ghanian girls are ugly seeing as it is an oppion they might not share. of course
you already know this because your "question" was just a insult in disguise and you are now playing ignorant.

Andre Uweh:
As a Ghanian, you may be in a position to answer this question: Why are Ghanian women in the U.K ugly?.

Why do you go around insulting people, and trying to pick fights with our brothers in ghana? so what if the Ghanian women in U.K are ugly? thats just your oppinion

We need an aircraft carrier so that we may destroy the armies of ghana when the need will arise.

Qaddafi calls for a United states of Africa. And he is said by some to be the De facto leader of the pan-africanist movement. however, Africans are genrally not regarded well in Arab countries. where they are called Kushim or Abeed meaning "slave " or "subhuman"
Do North African Countries really want to Unite with Sub Saharan Africa?, and why is Gaddafi's viewpoint on "black Africa" so different than so many other people in his region.

Anyone know?

what we need is an aircraft carrier.

Do we really have to make a big deal out of every little thing like this? there is a point when black people need to get over racism, especially silly trivial things like this. besides she looks much more attractive in "blackface" in my opinion?

hahaaaaaaahaahah these comments are funny, but i dont understand, why does everyone hate igbo people so much? even AA's?

what i don't understand is, since generally Arabs to not like black Africans why has Gaddafi's embraced Africa to the large extent that he did?
can anyone explain that to me?

the extreme news coverage of the "black mercenaries" has increased anti black racism in the middle east.
40-80 black Africans mostly Sudanese were massacred in turkey ill post the link if anyone wants.

and BTW that man in the video is obviously a dark skin Berber, and in every single picture of these mercenaries i have seen they look like southern Libyans, or Mauritanians, not sub-saharen Africans.

I could not agree with you more bro. this is the most intelligent analysis of the situation i have heard so far.

lastpage:
Once again, l am appalled by the level of reasoning of many people on NL!
CAN WE JUST LOOK BEYOND THE SURFACE?
We should not risk coming across as being daft and gullible that we will just swallow ANYTHING, hook, line and sinker!

I apologize if l come across as "rude" (which is generally not my demeanor) but l hope anyone will understand that right now, I AM ANGRY!

WHY?
First: Lets put these whole "REVOLUTION" into context.
1.) It started in Tunisia, got copied in Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, Lebanon, (cooking in Syria, Iran) then Libya.
2.) These are ALL Arabic/Muslim countries and we cant pretend we dont know their traditional/cultural/moral collisions with the West.
3.)Apart from Tunisia which was "spontaneous", all other ones are "instigated, propagated, support and even financed" from outside (The U.S announced 2weeks ago or so, it is increasing the amount of money it sets aside to support "activist" (another word for dissidents, saboteurs and foreign agents used to internally destabilize a country) by $30Million. ASK YOURSELF, HOW AND WHAT EXACTLY DO THEY DO WITH THESE MONEY?

4.) if there is "DISCONTENT" with a government in the West (just like we have with Obama V.s the Tea Party recently) do the people "violently overthrow" the government? Do other people finance (or have the right to) finance citizens who are against the current government OR do they wait till the next election to VOTE THEM OUT?
Recent Tuition fee increase in the U.K caused a lot of massive demonstration (and we say it all on T.V), did Nigerian or Egyptian or Russian government "comment, incite or encourage" the protesters? (even some of them were arrested and charged to court for criminal offenses). Why is it different when it comes to "Africans or Muslim countries"? Is it one law for them and another for the Western countries?

5.) Does anyone not know that there have been recent issues between U.K/U.S and Libya, especially with the Libyan, Lockerbie Bomber who was freed so U.K can exploit Libya's oil and then turn around to demand he be returned? What do you think this kind of people will do, at the slightest sign of a "crack" in the polity?
6.)On the issue "BLACK MERCENARIES"; Before now, we are aware that "White/fair-skinned North Africans (including Sudanese in central Africa, reason they recently voted to divide the country!) have a very deep dislike for Black/dark skinned citizens of their countries? Are we not aware that they have these "misplaced superiority complex" and think the darker ones are "lesser humans"? Do we not "experience" the same thing even in Nigeria, with our North-South dichotomy? How much more in North Africa? So, who best to blame for "inhumanity" than the same "black people"?

6.) There have been "stories" of massive human rights violation in Libya. We've heard that "Fighter Jets and Helicopter Gunships" have been used to attack the population. Is this a fact, propaganda or fiction?
Anyone who watched the "Shock and Awe" bombing of Iraq during the invasion will easily see the deceit in all these stories.
These "machines" dont kill in twos or threes, they kill in hundreds and to imagine that they are used on a "street with thousands of Protesters", then the death toll will equally be in the thousands! but so far, we have a tally of just over 200+, after about 3days of "bombing"! Grin LKWMD

The Libyan authority has said it only "bombed/destroyed/neutralized" military depots that were ransacked by looters so that the arms and ammunition there-in, would not be put to use against their own security agents. They did not target civilians or any human! But inorder to garner public sympathy, they chose to manipulate the truth, and we all swallow it too?!

7.) Ask yourself, where is all these "news" coming from? Are these sources credible? How come we did not see any VIDEO FOOTAGE of a Jet fighter "IN THE ACT" of bombing people (even if its from a mobile phone). How come its ONLY DEFECTORS that are telling us these "unsubstantiated stories"?

8.) Again, why did the U.K foreign Secretary "set up rumors" that the Libyan Gadafi has ran away from Libya, to Venezeula? Is it not to give a feeling of "fait accompli", that the revolution has succeeded? But The Man himself came out to tell us, l dey kampe  Grin Even the Venezeulan govt has denied that farce! What was his interest and that of Britain in this matter, that he had to go that far?

9.) Looking at the picture of the "captured mercenary", do they look like YOU AND ME (being black Africans) or is this just another attempt to "colour me bad", since l am black?
Why are they "emphasizing" the "blackness" of that mercenary? Does Ghadafi have a history of likeness for dark-skinned Africans? NO!
How then can it now be the same set of people that are his mercenaries? Do we not know that Ghadafi has all sorts of trained, private security force (some are even Israelis, female, e.t.c , and can anyone recall the retinue of security men/women, that he brought to Nigeria, just a while ago?).

10.) The government has been accused of severing ALL COMMUNICATION LINKS yet "foreign-based commentators" keep telling us of how they called their family members in Libya, from the U.S and elsewhere, using normal phone-lines? Very contradictory and indicative of a massive propaganda!
Why was the U.S and E.U countries "first, more concerned with whether the new government after the revolution in Egypt, will be friendly towards Israel or not"? Does it not show us that its all about "selfish interest" and not "democracy and freedom" as the West claim?


11)Again, can we not see that "opportunist and traitors" are at work in these North African Revolutions? How on earth can you explain Ambassadors who are selected and posted to foreign countries by Ghadafi, to foreign lands, for years, without complain, suddenly turning against him from such foreign posts YET refusing to RESIGN!
Why did they not "speak-out" before now or when Tunisia was boiling?
Why is it now that they sense an opportunity, that Ghadafi's regime is gasping for breath?
Are these the kind of people that will now call themselves "revolutionist" so they can benefit from whats going on?(and they are all just posturing to grab political offices!)
I detest cowards, traitors, opportunist and turn-coats!
How do you explain all these "foreign-based government officials suddenly stabbing their own government in the back?
Just because they now see where the "wind is blowing"?
You cannot criticize a government that you're a part of (at least until the "People" took to the street). You should resign first and then tackle the government. This is what "fair-play and equity" demands

11.) Why did we not hear of "BLACK SECURITY" people in Libya, all these years, where did they suddenly spring from?
Did Ghadafi ferry them from Nigeria all of a sudden or are they Boko Harram Grin

12.) Again, has anyone noticed the "difference in rhetoric" from countries in the E.U and U.S, when they speak about the "protest" in Libya and then in Bahrain! How come the tone is "subtle and reconciliatory" when it concerns Bahrain but very inflammatory, provocative and inciting when it comes to Libya?  (Both are ruled by dictators and sit-tights BUT one contains a U.S Naval strategic base (sixth fleet) and the other has no visible U.S interest!).
In fact, it was Bahrain that sent armed forces to attack protesters, while they were sleeping at the Square, in the night, using live ammunitions but THEY PLAYED IT DOWN IN THE MEDIA, no wonder Ghadafi referred to these media as "Dog Media"!

13.)Again, let us not forget that Libya itself is NOT a homogeneous entity like Egypt. They are just like Nigeria (with a seething undercurrent of civil war between Northern Libya (Tripoli) and Southern Libya (Benghazi areas). Some are taking these "protest" as an opportunity to "divide and secede" from the country. Some of them are very light-skinned while others are of a darker shade BUT THEY ARE ALL LIBYANS!
Some are just trying to 'inject' the ethnic/race/color angle into these protest, so as to gain more momentum.

14.) What happened in Tunisia and even right now in Libya is no different from what happened (is happening now in Belarus), the sit-tight President has rigged elections, killed oppositions and jailed others BUT the E.U or U.S is NOT promoting "chaos/revolution" over there! Wink
They know better, that one is Europe naah!

While l do not favor dictatorship, while l am 100% for freedom, democracy and rule of law, l think there is a "deeper design" than what goes on in the surface. The common man has been used as a "canon-fodder" for too long!
This is the current focus of this rejoinder.

In summary,
*Let us not jump to conclusions.
*Let us "see the big picture" and put hings in perspective.
*Let us not fall for any manipulation by vested interests.
*Let us be 'hasty' to listen but very 'reluctant/slow' to speak/comment!
*Let us be wary of "Western Media" and be able to sift through some of the propaganda they sometime feed us. Remember, you 're only as informed as what you hear or read about! Grin
*Let us be wary of those who promote "chaos" in our country (to resolve legitimate problems) but who themselves will never use such method but will  rather resort to democratic and legal means. At the end of the day, we would have o live and pay for whatever damage we cause to ourselves!
*Let us educate people from the West that "Africa" is a "continent" (not one country), made up of as many as 54 countries and counting. They should stop referring to one

BTW: I am neither Muslim, anti-West or a Libyan Grin Grin
I just choose to  look at issues from a dispassionate point of view.