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This girl fine o

Dtruthspeaker:
If you do not know how to judge, does not mean there are others who can not.

And the Judgment is that Killing of your toys and creations (cars, toys, mannequins, robots etc) is Lawful. (Right of An Owner over His Possessions)

Killing by reason of an attack to cause grievous bodily harm is Law Full. (Self-Defence)

And a few other ones.

These are the days of blasphemies, so come out and add your name.

We are talking about man's life and you are talking about toys.

If there's a reason for a God to kill, then there's a reason for every gods to kill.

Oh I forgot, yours is the true one. All the others are false

Dtruthspeaker:
And that act IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY GOD AS PROVEN BY THE FACT THAT THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO DEFEND (JUSTIFY) IT.

All they say is that they have the ability to do it as Armed Robbers have the ability to drive your car away and nothing cogently more.

So it is simply words of an Armed Robber attempting to defend his stealing.

there's no justification for killing anyone...not for God nor for love or even for transgressions.

And no, the Talibans can justify why they killed the girl just as they can justify every suicide bomb...if you'll sit down to listen to their religion like you want me to listen to yours

Dtruthspeaker:
This is what we all have seen, the Power of Justification does not come from us. It comes from God Himself.

"Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.". Exodus 23:7

Which is why we truly see that men may state their reasons for an act BUT IF GOD DOES NOT UPHOLD IT, THAT REASON WILL NOT HOLD WATER.

IT WILL HAVE NO POWER.

IT WILL BE REMOVED AND DASHED TO PIECES BY MEN.

BUT WHEN IT IS BACKED BY GOD, NO ONE IN THE WORLD CAN SMASH IT. IT IS A SOLID ROCK!

Just as the Taliban beheading that basketball girl is based on the reason by their God.

I believe that made it perfectly right

Hismasterpiece:
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Sorry I've not been able to reply this for some time not because I was not online. I just had little time on my hands nowadays.

Coming back to the topic, I planned on replying to every point you raised in your post but at the same time, I realized that the very post you made is a justification for my earlier post.

So, it wouldn't make any sense to quote and dissect your post any more.

So this is all I will like to say, a Muslim believes that Allah is the maker of all things. This Allah has preferences, he loves the Muslims and detest the people Muslims call infidels.

Allah wants everyone to be Muslims and live 'holy' lives according to his commandments in the Quran. But the infidels will not have any of these.

Since infidels are not living according to the standard set by Allah. Allah has given Muslims the right to kill as many infidels as they could to make the world a 'better Islamic place'.

This law was established by Allah and since Allah created everything, then he has a right to say what is right and what isn't. All the Muslims have to do is obey him and they will never be wrong.

The above analogy has been overly simplified and I'm sorry to any Muslim reading this. But in the same vein, the above serves as the basis to why a jihadist will go to any village, raze it down with fire and kill every infidel in that village.

And he'll be perfectly justified because he killed only infidels whom his God has commanded him to kill.

He is perfectly right in his religious beliefs but to you as a Christian, he is a terrorist.

Can you see why we try to move away from the REASON behind an act and instead focus on the ACT itself? If we are to justify the reason behind an act, every religion has a reason why they carry out the sacrifices they carry out.

Just as you place your God on a premium pedestal as a maker of all things, so do the Muslims. Just as your God made a DEMAND on the basis which he can be appeased, so do the gods of other religions made demand for how to be appeased.

And they all have perfectly reasonable reasons why these demands must be met. Yours is that the 'whole world has sinned against your God and fallen short of his glory' the Muslims and thousands of other religions have their own reasons.

Seeing this similitude, I then say, reasons aside, why do Christians justify the shedding of the blood of a man to please their God but condemn every other religions who does the same thing or even less with the blood of animals?

My reasoning and direction of argument has no bearing on my understanding of the Bible, just as you would go into your Bible and find reasons why it is perfectly right to kill a man to cleanse the sins of the whole world, a jihadist can go into his Quran and give you thirty perfect reasons why he must wear a suicide bomb and kill all the infidels on the next flight to Europe.

And the chief priest of amadioha can tell you more than five reasons why the village head should sacrifice 5 goats before the next harvest. If there's no reason behind an act no one will carry out such acts.

A thief steals because he is in need of that item. But the judge does not listen to that reason. Rather he judges the act of theft. Once you steal, a crime has been committed and you must appear before the court regardless of the reason why you stole.

I'm giving you the position of a judge in a court, judge between amadioha who requires the blood of goat to cleanse his followers who believes he is the creator of the universe and the God whom the Christian believes is the maker of all things who require the blood of another man to cleanse the Christians of their sins.

You are a just and righteous judge who does not believe in any of these gods. Now judge carefully, who should be condemned, amadioha or the God of the Christians?

orunto27:
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You want JUSTIFICATION to KILL? NO. ONLY GOD CAN KILL, BE JEALOUS AND BE COVETOUS. HE CREATED ALL THINGS IN HIS OWN WAY AND ONLY HE CAN DESTROY ALL HE HAS CREATED. GOD IS ENGLISH NOT HEBREW AND NOT NIGERIAN. HE IS OMNICAPABLE BECAUSE HE IS THE SUPREME SPIRIT. THAT IS ENGLISH NOT ARABIC AND NOT SHIFTING GOALPOST.

It's so hard to argue with religious folks.

First of all, do you realize that just as you believe that God created all things and has the right to kill, so do the worshippers of Baal believe that Baal created all things and he should be offered whatever pleases him?

If we are to reason that because you believe that your God created all things and all things belong to him, then what makes you think we should not grant every other religion/gods the same rights?

This is why I say, REASON for the sacrifice is secondary. What is most important is that THE ACT OF HUMAN SACRIFICE WAS CARRIED OUT and justified every day by every Christians.

Concerning the justification for killing, I do not seek for any justification for murder, rather I'll appeal that you look into your post and you'll see that all the things you said are meant to JUSTIFY HOW PERFECTLY RIGHT IT IS FOR A HUMAN TO HE SACRIFICED TO A GOD.

I am only questioning WHY a man must be killed, you are the one JUSTIFYING why and how perfectly right it is for the man to be killed.

But trying to pin it on me (that goalpost shift again)

siofra:
All these broke boys on here. Maybe sēun should make nairaland a paid site so that you people will reduce.

and then you'll look for a guy to buy nairaland subscription for you

This will make for a good investment for any private investor.

If its cheaper. Lots of people are spending ridiculously on MTN power box.

This will easily beat MTN own hands down

damosky12:
Sex tape or no sex tape, no one has a right to condemn her.

Isn't it ironical that you go to watch someone's tape and then you come out to judge her?

You do drugs, you are an alcoholic, you have premarital/extramarital sex steady, you are deep in porn, etc. But you think you are a moral lighthouse because no one filmed you in your sin?

Mind your business. Cast the first stone only if you are without sin...

all these nonsense should stop please.

Where did they condemn her? All people are doing are supporting her and telling her the right thing she should have done instead she's there claiming strong woman.

Where's her gratitude to those people who have supported her? Where's her sorry letter to the brands which have committed their image into her hands?

If anything she's been selfish.

Two Muslims can't have a conversation without talking about terrorism

Some peaceful religion Islam is

OlawaleBammie:
As in I dont understand ooh



Was this fela that great??

Because he didn't build mansion?

Maybe you should read up on Gandhi

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ChiefSosa:
You guys are giving so much attention to this sex tape. The tape was trash.

Na people like us wey neva get time watch the video suppose the talk this one but you wey don watch dey wan form wetin

This is probably going to be one of the most hilarious requests this year

A fan went tp tiwa savage inbox to request that she send him the now viral video of her sex with an unknown man.

The request is just so hilarious

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Please read your bible more for understanding.

If you say christ death was not to do away with the old testament, then having a new testament is meaningless and christians should still be offering the blood of animals for the forgiveness of their sins.

But this is not so because Hebrews 10:4 " For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins." and therefore the blood of christ was offered "For this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins." Matthew 26:28

and for context, shedding of blood is not cutting open a part of the body and removing blood. shedding of blood is the eupemism for death.

"“For as for the life of all flesh, its blood is identified with its life. Therefore I said to the sons of Israel, ‘You are not to eat the blood of any flesh, for the life of all flesh is its blood; whoever eats it shall be cut off.’ Lev 17:14

"Only be sure not to eat the blood, for the blood is the life, and you shall not eat the life with the flesh." Deut 12:23

Kobojunkie:
I don't adopt the doctrines and traditions of men , doctrines which you have obviously imbibed yourself. So, I am not every Christian.

Jesus Christ's death was not to do away with the Old Covenant. That Covenant still lives to this day - it is eternal Covenant. So blood of goats and animals, they are still valid to this day.

You mention that the Old Covenant was sealed in the blood of animals, so also was the New Covenant when Jesus Christ's blood was shed on the cross. He didn't need to die if all that wws required was His blood for the sealing of the New Covenant. When Jesus Christ announced on the cross , " it is finished", the New Covenant was sealed at that moment, while He still drew breath.

But Jesus Christ had to die for His mission to serve as Ransome for the sinners of the Old Covenant to be concluded and for for New Covenant, which brought Life to begin for all. He had to give up His life, and be raised from the Dead, we all, previously dead, would be able to obtain Eternal life from Him, Jesus Christ.

Understand that His Death and resurrection was essential to our awakening to the New Covenant. If Jesus Christ had instead died in old age, the entire world have had to remain as was until then for a chance at the New Covenant- His resurrection also.

But what is life and Death to the one who is the embodiment of Eternal life itself? It is not even the blinking of the eye to such. So He chose to give up His life to end His original mission which was to the Lost sheep of Israel, and then rose from the dead so He could throw open the gates of the Kingdom of God and the New Covenant Law that governs it , to the whole world, that those who chose Him will have eternal life granted them by Him.

Dtruthspeaker:
Now your anger is rising and close to insult.

I would keep saying it, "THERE IS NO ACT THAT IS NOT BACKED UP BY REASON!" whether you aware of it or not.

Exactly as you are not making this thread WITHOUT of a reason.

We see the reason!



I have already said it a above that these people will have their own reasons which you even pointed out saying "that they may be carrying a sacrifice to the gods because they are happy that the gods they served has blessed them or they just want to do it as an appeal to the gods for wealth."

So, this is not in issue.



I answered you already above and you got it, which is why I said you are not After The Truth.

And I said The Law of Eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,...life for life.

God Himself was The One Who Made Away that we do not lose our own Life Because of The Law of Life for Life.

Therefore God DIRECTED AND PRESCRIBED what Life He would Accept in Exchange of our Loss of Life because of guaranteed judgement of Guilty when The Law Charges us, that we may not lose our own life or Lives.

Then Christ Himself was The One Who Put Down His Own Life for and on behalf of our own lives which we shall lose if nothing was done.

So how is it Unreasonable for A Person to lay down His Life for and on behalf of Loved ones in death row?

Is this a bad thing?

Where we not here when people were praising and saying how good it was for those people who sheilded their loved ones from attack when a murderer entered the cinema and shot randomly at them in America some years back?

So how can this sacrifice be unreasonable?

So the reason for the sacrifice of christ was because of the law which state that a life was for a life?... well, why do christians then frown at others whose gods ask for a life for their own lives or you think those other religions do not have reasons for carrying out human sacrifices?

Like i said the reason is secondary. the problem here is that human sacrifice was involved in other for christians to live the lives they are living today..regardless of the reason.

so why castigate others who do the same?

and no, i was not angry. if anything, i was irritated by your effort in trying to give cheap credit to yourself without actually countering any of the point i made earlier on in my post. just as you are still ignoring my argument: was a life taken for christians to enjoy the benefits of their god?

Thy

Kobojunkie:
And this is wrong because that is not what the story says of Jesus Christ's death.

so what is the story?

Kobojunkie:
There is no mystery regarding the death of Jesus Christ but instead a lack of understanding surrounding the death of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ was not a "sacrifice" in the sense you portray. Jesus Christ fulfilled the requirements of the Old Covenant by living by it and then giving up his life, this so that those who would chose to follow Him can by adopting Him, be freed from their Old Covenant obligations.

I have always been very observant of religious fellows like you and one thing I have come to understand very well is the mental gymnast that you guys are capable of plus the ability to shift goalposts from one extreme to the other without any shame.

Concerning the topic, you are lying and you know it. Every Christian knows that jesus is the replacement for the animal sacrifice in the old testament.

In fact, for most preachers, the covenant of the old testament was sealed by the blood of goats and other animals while that of the new testament by the blood of Jesus.

Saying the death of jesus is not a sacrifice contradicts everything the Bible said about the lamb which was slain for the remission of the sins of the world.

My God, no matter how glorious you try to paint the sacrifice of Jesus, it doesn't take out the basic elements of human Sacrifice:

1. A human blood was involved
2. A God was involved
3. The human was killed to meet a requirement set by the God

Are these true of his death or not?

Like I said, the reason for the death is secondary. Think of this like stealing. The problem is not why someone stole, the problem is that they STOLE. That is the offence.

The reason for killing a man for sacrifice is secondary. The problem is that he was KILLED as a sacrifice.

Dtruthspeaker:
It's too painful for you to read because you Hate Truth, (Bias) exactly as I alleged at my first post and you know that there is no reasonable counter to the Truth!

Secondly, as I had put to you, THERE IS NO ACT THAT IS NOT BACKED UP BY REASON! They are Conjoined Twins!

You are not posting this shit for nothing!

Stop giving yourself false credit.

I didn't read it because what you wrote is utter trash. I only try to be respectful in my previous post not because you spoke any truth.

You keep saying reason, so what reason justifies the sacrifice of Jesus? Is that reason reasonable enough? Do you think other religions offering human/animal sacrifice do so without reasons?

Unigrad:
I have made inquiries about this in my state, the rules are, I must have not less than 3 bikes, buying and registration of one bike with the state government cost about #500k.

what sort of nonsense policy is this na?

500k to register bike that you bought? In what way is the government going to help the business?

Dtruthspeaker:
If it is because of he was blessed, Happiness and Joy will be on his face and countenance, therefore, we see it.

But when it is for wants and wealth, (The Major Request for everyone) we also see it.

Thus, we pity Him for we know that He shall always want!



Correction! God did not demand for blood, He Gave us Mercy to Escape The Punishment of Law, Which of course He has Sent Forth to Do it's Work, And it will be done.

And The Law is Eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,...life for life.

And we God Followers (infact the whole world knows especially Naturalist whom we call Traditionalist in Nigeria) know that we have taken Lives, so we must give up our own Lives.

This is where God Saves us, in that He now have us A Way to Fulfill The Law, yet we escape with our own Lives and Lose it not.

Thus, God Himself (The Law Too) DIRECTED AND PRESCRIBED what Life/Blood He would Accept in Exchange of our Guilt, that we may not lose our own life or Lives but keep it and Live.

And definitely our "Have Mercy on Us" Sacrifice, shows on our faces. So no one can reasonably complain about it.

I tried reading this but it's so painful to read I had to abandon it.

Like I said, first thing first let's call a spade a spade. If the death of Jesus was for the atonement of our sins, then it's a sacrifice involving a human life.

The reason for such a sacrifice is secondary.

orunto27:
Christianity is neither Philology nor Philosophy. It is "THE RIGHTEOUS".THANK GOD YOU ARE DESCRIBING "HUMAN SARCRIFICE". JESUS SARCRIFICE IS "GOD SARCRIFICE". GOD IS NOT HUMAN. GOD IS THE SUPREME SPIRIT IN HEAVEN NOT ON EARTH WHERE HUMANS LIVE. ISAAC WAS HUMAN. GOD REPLACED HIM WITH A LAMB. BUT GOD CAME DOWN HIMSELF IN JESUS FORM TO SHOW BELIEVERS THE WAY UP HOME.

There's that goalpost shift again. Was he in flesh and blood? Was he given birth to? Did Mary nurse him as an infant?

Then he was as human any any other man.

jesusjnr2020:
It's like you're seeking a way to justify ritual killings/human sacrifices but trying to pin it on Christianity.

Human sacrifices is forbidden in Christianity so your argument is dead on arrival!

if I was seeking to justify human sacrifices or rituals, then I'm already late.

The Bible already justified it a long time ago. Christians justify it everyday of their lives.

Each time you speak of the blood of Jesus, you think it's not the life of a man sacrificed on the alter of a God? And if this is right and you uphold this as just and righteous, then are you not the very one justifying human Sacrifice?

Human Sacrifice is the bedrock of Christianity. It is the FOUNDATION of Christianity. It is not forbidden.

In fact, the new testament is a transition from animal blood to human blood. Am I wrong with this assertion?

Dtruthspeaker:
See you craftiness and Cunning!

"The reason for the sacrifice does not matter".

How can you discuss about death/murder/crime without "mens Rea"?

Is there an act without its corresponding reason?

DID YOU MAKE THIS POST WITHOUT A REASON?

But now that you know that there are irrebutable justified reasons for an action you have now seeking to slyly delete them from the conversation.

Whereas they are Integral to the conversation

Which clearly means you are aware of the Right Fullness of Christ and God's Laws on Sacrifice but you are now endeavouring to find another Answer WHICH IS NOT TRUE!

It therefore means your thread is Biased and Imbalanced and thus Unreasonable!

First of all, you are trying too hard to make a point.

I said the reason for a sacrifice doesn't matter much because Christianity does not care about why traditionalist offer sacrifices to their gods but are most concerned about the act itself.

Take for instance, when you as a Christian see idol worshippers carrying sacrifices to the shrine, you don't stop to think that they may be carrying a sacrifice to the gods because they are happy that the gods they served has blessed them or they just want to do it as an appeal to the gods for wealth.

This is the truth. Take for instance, when you see a calabash filled with snails and feathers around the corner very early in the morning, you don't say 'well, someone is only praising his gods'. Rather you attribute it to evil and demons.

You as a Christian does not care about the reasons. All you know is that such sacrifices is evil and demonic.

Secondly, if we are to concern ourselves with reasons, then every religion has a reason to offer the sacrifices they offer to their gods. And if the God of Christianity have a reason to demand for blood with no one castigating him, then maybe Christians shouldn't castigate others obeying their own gods.

With that out of the way, what reason justifies the shedding of blood for the forgiveness of sin? I ask this question to you irrespective of your religion

Hello everyone,

First of all, this post is not in anyway meant to attack anyone's faith. If anything, it's for us to take a deeper look at the things we believe in.

With that disclaimer out of the way, let's get back to the topic.

Human Sacrifice from my perspective is any ritual that involves the shedding of human blood to either obtain favor from a deity, appease an angry deity, or a form of Thanksgiving for the good done by the deity.

The reason for the sacrifice does not matter much in this our argument but what is most important is the process and the 'item' of sacrifice.

Sacrificing a human for a religious purpose today is seen as a bad thing and such religions are seen as demonic. This is not only true for human but for animals also.

In fact, in Africa today, any religion that sheds blood whether it be that of human or an animal is tagged a demonic religion. And so, a lot of us no longer engage in our traditional religion because most of our traditional religion requires sacrifices and sometimes the shedding of the blood of one animal or the other or a few often demand for human head.

While a lot of Africans quickly convert to Christianity and see it as the 'light' and the only true religion which is holy and blameless, some others cannot but see the many similarities between Christianity and the traditional African religion especially in terms of human Sacrifices.

The Bible clearly stated that without the shedding of blood there's no remission of sin (Heb 9:22)

As such in the old testament, the Israelites were involved in elaborate animal sacrifices.. More animals were probably sacrificed to God by the Israelites than the number of animals African traditionalist will ever offer to their deities.

But the Christians took this as nothing. In fact, they use it to preach as though it were nothing but a 'pot of roasted yam in palm oil with a few eggs at a street corner' is sacrilegious to them and a thing that inspires fears.

One of the greatest mystery in Christianity is the sacrifice of Jesus christ. Till today, Christians loathe anything that has to do with human Sacrifices but are quick to call on the blood of Jesus, a human/God supposedly sacrificed to God for the forgiveness of human sins.

If human Sacrifice is the bedrock of Christianity and the basis for the forgiveness of their sins is the blood of another man, then they probably have no right to castigate others appealing to their own gods with lesser blood from lesser animals or even a human equivalent.

Hope I didn't rumble too much. Guys what do you think about this?

Why toke makinwa as anchor though?