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MuttleyLaff:
If these my comments were made on Reno Omokri's twitter page, I am sure, Reno Omokri, would have hastily and unceremoniously blocked me, by now, from future viewing of his tweets

What amazes me is that all this epistle was just to tell us that the fruit of knowledge Adam and Eve ate was Sex?

That has always been one of the several speculations of its allegorical implications by interpretation of theological scholars.
But the fallibility in this argument is that the scriptures says Eve ate the fruit first before offering it to Adam.
Hence, unless she was asexual or masturbating, then the argument is flawed.

Knowledge is in fact a term the scriptures uses to describe sex. Knowledge is also in fact sexual, hence Sapiosexuals.
But the sin was not that they had sex, but they disobeyed God's instruction. Sex is clearly not the sin. Disobeying God's instruction has always been what sin is.

Sex between two couples married to each other isn't sin. Sex outside marriage is what is sin.

Friends With Benefits
A friend is a person attached to another by feelings of affection or personal regard.

Our friends are often our greatest influence.
Can two walk together, unless they are agreed? Amos 3:3
A popular saying goes, "Show me who your friends are, and I’ll tell you who you are”?
Another says "Show me your friends and I'll show you your future."
Certainly, our friends have a huge impact on us.

Our friends will either be beneficial or harmful to us. Hence, it is wisdom to choose our friends carefully.
Proverbs 12:26 The righteous choose their friends carefully, but the way of the wicked leads them astray.

*Benefits of Friends*
Wisdom- He who walks with wise men will be wise, but the companion of fools will be destroyed. Proverbs 13:20

Growth- As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. Proverbs 27:17

Companionship- A man who has friends must himself be friendly, But there is a friend who sticks closer than a brother. Proverbs 18:24

Good Counsel- Oil and perfume make the heart glad, and the sweetness of a friend comes from his earnest counsel. Proverbs 27:9

Support System- Two are better than one, because they have a good reward for their toil. For if they fall, one will lift up his fellow. But woe to him who is alone when he falls and has not another to lift him up! Ecclesiastes 4:9-10

The phrase Friends with Benefits has become synonymous with casual sexual relationships among friends.
But we ought to know better that such should not be heard of among believers.

Do not be misled, bad company corrupts good character. 1 Corinthians 15:33

Your lifestyle is largely influenced by the company you keep, especially your friends.
You start to sound alike, do things alike and even think alike. Proverbs 22:24-25

Question- Do your friends make you uncomfortable praying?
Does your loyalty to your friends make you disloyal to God?

Your friends will either help you get closer to God or drift you away from God.
Some friends are intentionally bad for you. Some are innocently unaware they are bad for you.
Or are you the one who is bad for your friend?

Choose your friends wisely.

Perhaps the most intriguing difference between the Old and New Testament is the Way of Righteousness.
This invariably leads to the understanding of Grace and Law.
Before there was ever Law, which came through Moses, certain people walkef righteously before God. Notably Abel, Enoch and of course Abraham and Moses walked in the way that pleased God.
In fact, Abraham showed that He Believed God and it was accounted to Him as Righteousness. Genesis 15:6
So why was the Law given?
What then is Grace and why was it given?
Does Law eliminate Grace? And has Grace eliminated Law?

donstan18:
Simi is in pains.

Not really, she's just trying to sound mean like we all do on social media, just for likes and clout.
God deliver us all. SM brought out the beast in us.

orisa37:
Jesus Christ clearly be told us that He came not to destroy The Law but to fulfil it. So there's no Difference at all for Christ is The Transmission from the Old the New.

Really? Please be patient.
This thread is still inconclusive. We'll get to the difference between the Grace and the Law.
It is a sensitive one and pray that the Spirit of Grace Himself will teach us.

sonmvayina:
Isaiah 53 is not about Jesus, it is what the Kings of the earth will say when they find out that Israel was innocent of the crime they leveled against them.. The suffering servant is Israel, it was already stated in chapter 41 and 45.

Israel is the suffering

It's not my place to convince you, all I can do is point you to scriptures.

sonmvayina:
..

I am questioning the authenticity of the new testament, you are still quoting it for me... You need something outside of it... When did God say the Messiah is coming to die for sins?... Or that the Messiah will be his son... I need old testament quote...

Isaiah 53.
It is explained (revealed) in Acts 8:26-37.

sonmvayina:
When did God say he will no longer accept animal sacrifice?.. Or after we sacrifice his son to him he will no longer accept animal sacrifice..

Where did God say, the Messiah will die for sins?... Or you just don't want to accept the fact that Christianity is rebranded paganism....

Read 2nd Chronicles 7 :14....and see if it makes any sense to you, and decide if God lied or not..

It is written;
However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1 Corinthians 2:6-8

jesusjnr:
Hey bro.

Where have you been all these while?

Missed you a lot.

I very well understand your concerns, but if that indeed be the case then why would Jesus yet appear to me?

And why would He appear to me in the same way He appeared to a four year old who later drew a picture of Him?

And also why would He yet go to the extent of confirming this?

You can check the following link to fully appreciate the questions I just said:

https://www.nairaland.com/5368368/jesus-saw-same-drawn-eight#81400497

That's the reason why this thread is yet up and has not been abandoned, despite that His appearance was very brief and already bygone, because God deemed it necessary to yet confirm that brief appearance of Jesus to me.

I know a lot of people here, inclusive of christians, think I'm proud, but one thing I strongly believe which i learnt from Jesus is that the opinion of men are inconsequential, but the only one which matters is that of God. Because men also thought Jesus was very proud, but at end of the day it didn't matter what men thought of Jesus but what God thought of Jesus.

Moreover the appearance of Jesus is nothing compared to what God has already entrusted me with, for it's just a bonus and a mere formality which of course I am grateful to Him for.

Thanks for your thoughts though.

God bless.

Missed you too, brother.
Took some time off.
Glad to see you burning for Christ as ever. Anyone who has understanding knows it takes Grace.
I hope we get to meet some time soon, It would certainly be a pleasure.

Atonement For Sin by the Blood Of Jesus.

In the Old testament, atonement for sins was done by the blood of animal sacrifices. This could only temporarily pacify for people's sins. It certainly became a burden and heavy yoke on the people. Imagine having to make animal sacrifices of birds, rams, etc for our sins? Thank God for Christ.

Only the Pure, Sinless Blood of Jesus Christ could atoned for the Sin of Man once and for all. There's now no more use of animal sacrifices. The significance of the Blood of Jesus Christ is beyond explaination.
The Blood of Jesus Christ shed for our sins is the Basis of the New Covenant.
When God sees the Blood of Jesus Christ, He passes over. Just as He passed over the Israelites when He executed judgement in Egypt because of the blood of the lamb (an antitype of Christ the Lamb). Exodus 12:12-15

Romans 3:23-26
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

The Outpouring of the Holy Spirit on All Flesh.

In the Old Testament, the Spirit of God was exclusive to a select few- Prophets, Priests, Kings among the Jews.
But In th New Testament, the prophecy of Joel 2:28 was fulfilled after Jesus Christ died and resurrected, having prayed the Father to send us a Helper/Comforter.

Acts 2:16-18
But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.

sonmvayina:
You can answer that your self.. Is there peace on earth?

Isaiah says "men will hammer their sword into ploughshares and learn of war no more"..

Your guess is as good as mine..

God NEVER asked anybody to believe in the death of a Messiah to be saved.. If you sin, confess and forsake.. 2nd chronicle 7 :14

The answer to your question is not mine to reveal.
All I will say is that there's peace for all who are in the Kingdom of God.
I hope to address this on another thread by God's grace. Let's not deviate please.

sonmvayina:
The new testament is just roman fabrication and rebranded paganism... Worship of a man as God.. And human sacrifice.. Which are all forbidden by God in the Tanakh...

Do not worship the likeness of anything in heaven or on earth or under the waters below the earth.. Worshipping a man as God which is something found on earth is prohibited by God..

The new convenant God promised the jews was a convenant of everlasting peace.. In Jeremiah and ezekiel..

Thanks for sharing.
But has the covenant promised been fulfilled yet or not?

Primarily the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament is in the Extension of Salvation to the Whole World.

-Salvation is no longer for the chosen tribe of the Jews alone but now to all nations (the whole world). A fulfillment of God's Promise to Adam and Eve and also to Abraham, through their seed Jesus Christ.

Because of the New Testament there is no more distinction between Jews or Gentiles, we are all Chosen once we have Faith in God through Jesus Christ.

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.

Genesis 22:15-18
Then the Angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time out of heaven, and said: “By Myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son— blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies. In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.

Galatians 3:6-9
Just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

Galatians 3:26-29
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

jesusjnr:
The three wise men heed the warning of God they had received in a dream.

Matthew 2:11-12 (KJV)

11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
12 And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.

Maybe the reason He hasn't appeared to you is self-induced. You should check your motive. Why do you want Him to appear to you?
Is it for bragging right?
Would you have the self-control?
Does He have a revelation for you different from what's already in the Word?

One of the challenges in Christianity is differentiating between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant.

This has created some misunderstanding and given birth to various factions and denominational doctrines within the same Christianity.

I pray that together with the help of the Holy Spirit and the Word, we will be able to clarify these differences.

John 13:5-8
After that, He poured water into a basin and began to wash the disciples’ feet, and to wipe them with the towel with which He was girded. Then He came to Simon Peter. And Peter said to Him, “Lord, are You washing my feet?”
Jesus answered and said to him, “What I am doing you do not understand now, but you will know after this.”
Peter said to Him, “You shall never wash my feet!”
Jesus answered him, “If I do not wash you, you have no part with Me.”

Luke 14:7-14
So He told a parable to those who were invited, when He noted how they chose the best places, saying to them:
“When you are invited by anyone to a wedding feast, do not sit down in the best place, lest one more honorable than you be invited by him; and he who invited you and him come and say to you, ‘Give place to this man,’ and then you begin with shame to take the lowest place.
But when you are invited, go and sit down in the lowest place, so that when he who invited you comes he may say to you, ‘Friend, go up higher.’ Then you will have glory in the presence of those who sit at the table with you. For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”
Then He also said to him who invited Him, “When you give a dinner or a supper, do not ask your friends, your brothers, your relatives, nor rich neighbors, lest they also invite you back, and you be repaid.
But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind. And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you; for you shall be repaid at the resurrection of the just.”

The Mystery Of Humility
The dictionary defines Humble as;
Having a low opinion of oneself; not proud, arrogant, or assuming; modest.

But I have come to find, that the best scriptural definition is captured in

1 Samuel 15:17
So Samuel said, “When you were *little in your own eyes*, were you not head of the tribes of Israel? And did not the Lord anoint you king over Israel?

Humility is to esteem oneself low.
Amazing right?
Ironically The world teaches us to esteem our selves High.
Hence, like things of the Spirit, Humility is a Mystery.
If I may ask, Are you a Humble person?
Please don't answer this, it is rhetoric. Rather, let it marinate in your heart.

I used to think myself to be Humble. I mean as a Yoruba man, we are cultured to be humble.
But unfortunately, our culture seems to have taught most of us more pride than humility.
We should all beware of our cultural inclinations. While they mean well, more often than not the devil corrupts these good manners.
When the Spirit started to unveil me, I felt like the proudest Human being alive. I was humbled to learn Humility by the Spirit.
Matthew 5:3-5
Blessed are the poor in spirit,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn,
For they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the earth.

What does it mean to be poor In spirit?
What does it mean to be Meek?
I have come to find, we are often times too full in spirit. When we should be poor in spirit.
Is this not the secret to being Filled with the Holy Spirit?
The average human mind cannot possibly imagine/fathom how the Meek/Humble will inherit the earth.
Yet, God's Word can never return to Him void. He Knows how he has set things and the order He set them.
Our Heroes of Faith, all walked in High dimensions with God, yet their dependence on God was beyond awe-inspiring.
Moses said to God, if Your Presence will not go with us, do not bring us up from here.

Joseph said to Pharaoh Do not interpretations belong to God?
Meaning he did not even consider himself, but Gave God all the credit/Glory.

Peter and Paul, I can't even begin to mention.

The Anchor for this Message is;
*Philippians 2:5-8*
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.

Some things are better left veiled because if they are unveiled, we might misbehave.
Do you sometimes appreciate what it means, for God to die for the sin of Man?
That God would humble Himself, the Creator of ALL Creation, and come to live among men, was actually at some point a baby, He dined and played with men, some people actually sent Him on errands?

Do we sometimes reason what I am reasoning?

So who am I, who are we to count ourselves as too special?
On the one hand, yes we are so special in the Eyes of God.
But on the other hand, if God could lower Himself, we should be able to know how to Abase and Abound.

*Pride in our Churches*
It is disheartening that the church has become where to learn Pride. Believers now pride themselves in their Denominations, in their Pastors, in the Magnificence of their structures?
Oh, we now even pride our selves in theology (knowledge of scriptures).
I tell you, it is easier to correct unbelievers than believers. How did we get here?
*We Have Institutionalised Pride*
We call it class. Classism has made us set ourselves among a league of people, and not want to associate ourselves with certain type of people.
*Pride in our Homes.*
Do you realise that God hardly called the First Borns in the Scriptures? Esau, Eliab, Reuben etc
Oh, God usually chose the least expected one. Why?
Family, if care isn't taken endues pride on the children, especially the first Borns. I call it a Sense Of Entitlement mentality.

But God has also seldom chosen First Borns, in fact, He would later demand First Borns to be dedicated to him. Samuel being a notable example. So First Borns, don't worry, you're covered.
Sometimes, it's the last born that has this sense of entitlement.
So really, let's just be conscious of it.

*Age*
Our Age is also a snare.
Adults don't pay attention to Children. We forget that God speaks through any vessel.

Also, those who have been Long in the Faith often have a sense of pride towards younger ones. We forget that the Holy Spirit simply uses our vessels. And it may even be the newest convert that Has the Word Of The Lord.

Often times too, the younger ones become proud of their youthful exuberance and exposure, them become proud towards elders who have faithfully walked the path ahead.
Let's learn to accommodate one another, knowing we are but vessels for God's workmanship.

I have come to fear for this ostentatious generation that If Jesus Christ were to have come in our generation, we would be worse than the Jews.
We would rate him by his looks and branding and wealth.
I assure you, some of us will tell Him to carry His Poor man's gospel away.

I wonder what some of our Pastors would do, a lot of them would do worse than Caiaphas, the Pharisees and Saduccees.
God help us all.

In conclusion, so what is the Mystery of Humility?
It is as expressed from the Mouth of the Master Himself.

Matthew 18:1-5
At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”
Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.
To continually access the Grace of God, we must learn to bring ourselves as low as possible. We must not seek our own.
We must esteem others higher than ourselves.

I hardly share this, to avoid misunderstanding.
But there's a difference between what happened in the creation of man in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2.
It would seem like God created man and woman twice, if that difference is not understood.

The difference is- Male and Female is different from Man and Woman.

In Gensis 1:27 Adam (one Man) was created both male and female. Not physically, because he was not yet formed.

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Genesis 1:27

In Genesis 2:7. God formed the physically complete Man (male and female).
It was later in Genesis 2:21-22 that God made the woman out of the man. Then they became 2 separate people (man and woman) who clinged together to become 1.

Please don't take my word for it, study and pray for more understanding. As a woman, to understand why God created Woman is critical.

Grace and Understanding to us all.

Communication is Everything.
And the purpose of communication is both information dissemination (by the speaker) and Understanding (by the audience).
Our Miscommunication is the Apple of Discord that has continued to divide the Body of Christ, and by extension, the world at large. Same happened in the Tower of Babel.
Effective Communication is important to both the Speaker and the Listener to avoid Miscommunication, Misunderstanding and Misrepresentation.

When he said that "Women weren't God's original plan", what did you as a believer do?

The Bible is our source of the Word of God. And truly, God created man first, so what does it say?

Genesis 2:18- And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.
Genesis 2:21-23 So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper comparable to him.
And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place.
Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.
And Adam said:
“This is now bone of my bones
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”

This was simply what the Pastor explained. Did he say women were a mistake?
Did God say Women are a mistake?

He simply said, Women came out of God's afterthought that "It is not good that man should be alone."

If I were a woman, I'd choose to consider that neither God nor the Pastor that shared what God said in the Scriptures was wrong, but to understand what God saw and deposited in the Woman that made her to be called Man's Helper, comparable to him.

A woman, will either be a blessing for the rise of man, or a curse for the fall of man. That is the power of a woman.

Grace and Understanding to us all.

Shepherd00:
Let me.remine you Muttleylaff. If you come at me physically, I assure you that your hands cannot reach my skin, if you come at me diabolically, (For only a man who has confidence in his diabolical powers wld be threading people) which it appears you can, it shall come back to you. If you think you know me enough to lay curses on me, try it again.


If a 5yrs old reads your post in this forum, what conclusion do you think he will draw? That you are just an activist or a closet homosexual who claims Christianity and by all means wants to lay a soft bed to land on when he comes out Screaming 'I am a gay Christian and I am a man of god?" Biko shift.


You know what? I don't need to curse a cursed man. You are already cursed Here is the Word for you The curse of the LORD is in the house of the wicked... And because you take a stand against the Lord, and have the audacity to falsify God's Word to justify Sin, Cursed is any man who blesses you. Anyone who wishes you well, misfortunes will not depart from him and his house.
Whatever gives you pleasure shall become a snare to you. MuttleyLaff, don't make speak against you o. Just mind yourself.


Exactly. Let's wait and see how you'd come out soon declaring yourself as a homosexual pastor. After all, you copy from GayChristians101 website freely.


Just Negodu? Who is interested in your stupid laughter?

It can be tempting to gloat, but we should try not to.
Grace to us all.

MuttleyLaff:
The drive to acquire knowledge illegitimately was the undoing of Eve pressplay411. You actually aptly got it right, when you used the word lust to describe her action, as it really was an uncontrolled quest for knowledge. Eve was blamed for acquiring knowledge, she was blamed for going against God's command not to go after the fruit of the the tree, at the expense of death.

"♪, ♩ Nobody wanna give, everybody wanna take. Oya tọtọri mi, one time toh. Tọtọri mi, two times, toh toh! Tọtọri mi, three times, toh toh toh! Tọtọri mi, four times, toh toh toh toh! ♪, ♩♪, ♩"

I think you meant to type it is a weapon that is carnal and not type, it is a weapon that is not carnal. That your slip of tongue, is what is called a freudian slip. It is is an unintentional error in speech or writing, regarded as revealing your subconscious feelings.

You discern an imaginary scheme. "Alfa Imam, wey no get bia-bia, prophet wey no sabi Bible well enough to be discerning scheme, dede"

We can easily forgive a child, who is afraid of the dark, the travesty and real tragedy of life is, when men are afraid of the light.

It's not carnal because it is a spiritual exchange- Mind games. You should be careful, lest you start to sound like the Serpent himself.

MuttleyLaff:
My brother, I am not teaching anybody anything. I am being free with you and that is why I said to you: "please tell me what the pretty good idea is you have and I'll kindly reciprocate to confirm whether your hunch is right or not"

Is it too much of a request, to ask you about the pretty good idea you have where as you said, I am going, hmm? Why is when there is the opportunity after granting the request, to share, converse and learn from each other, that you are reading too much into my request, hmm?

If opportunity didn't knock, I would, if I were you, have built a door

It's not like, as if, truth, information and knowledge decreases by being shared. I am online 24/7, when you are ready brother.

Dear, MuttleyLaff, enough with your mind games.
You want us to believe what is contrary to the Word of God. You want to make it seem as if you have a knowledge superior to what God has said.
It is a weapon that is not carnal, I discern your scheme.

For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.

I can be curious, but I have long placed the Word of God as my Anchor. Please keep your esoteric knowledge to your self.
You may know the bible, but due to your pride, you have lost and denied its power. Good bye.

omokoladejames:
Sir, there's really no need for all this merry go round... no one is the fountain of knowledge, kindly state ur point and we can all either learn from it or find flaws in your assertions. Either way someone learns something

PS: i believe i have a pretty good idea where you're going with this but I might be wrong in my assumptions and u might truly have a novel way of looking at the scriptures. Probably something we've all missed,so I believe it's best if you let us know ur train of thought

I forgot to add it before but MuttleyLaff helped me remember the very foremost idol of man- Knowledge.
It is this same cunning that the Serpent employed to trick the first Man.
Eve fell simply due to her lust for knowledge.

MuttleyLaff:
No, you haven't. You went researching on qedesh, a completely different thing. Come back and tell, what your understanding of the word, qadesh means in the truest form of the meaning and originally in Bible.

It's the same sir, just spelling difference.

teemotee:
money is my idol unfortunately

Thanks for bringing this up. Money is (one of, if not certainly) the greatest idol. I intentionally didn't want to add it, but I think now that you mentioned it, I will edit and include it.

Grace to sacrifice our love of money.

MuttleyLaff:
You are mixing them up pressplay411. Qadesh is male prostituting, and qedesha is female temple prostitutes, whilst qedesh is Holy, sacred or something consecrated.

Qadesh, is also in the Bible referenced as sodomy or a sodomite. Go and find out more, and correctly find out this time. OK?

Ok. I have done my part, if you feel the need to share your thought on the topic, please do.

MuttleyLaff:
1/ How do you see a "qadesh"?.
2/ What in its truest sense and original meaning is a "qadesh"?
3/ Do you know what a litmus test is? OK, let see how wholely you've submitted to the Word of God. Let's find out how well, you see and understand the scriptures, hmm?

You know pressplay411, the difference between me and other people, is that, I rather be labelled a liar while telling the truth, than pretend to tell the truth, while telling a lie

The bible is not against drinking pressplay411. Moderation, the avoidance of excess or extremes is advised. The bible is against drinking to the state of drunkenness, where and when one gets to the point of losing control of their faculties or behaviour.

Ephesians 5:18, recommends spiritual drunkenness, to be filled with the Spirit, as in, be drunk in Holy Spirit, instead of getting drunk on wine, wherein is excess, will lead to reckless indiscretion

As, for fornication pressplay411, this is a complete no-no. Fornication, is a thing that is not possible or acceptable with any anyone claiming to be living and enjoying a strictly monogamous relationship lifestyle, of no cheating, no sleeping around, no emotional harm to anyone, no covetousness, no taking of what is not yours, no etcetera

For some reason you don't seem, to realise and know that , it is not consenting adults committing "harmless" homosexualism, but it is consenting adults committing "harmless" homosexualism that is not being promiscuous, that not being unfaithful, that's not cheating, thats not sleeping around, that isnt being idolatory, that is not part of a sexual ritual sex worship

You have the first go at what "qadesh" is pressplay411. OK? You tell first, all you've gone to find out about "qadesh". What you understand "qadesh" to be?. What you equate "qadesh" to be? Why you equate "qadesh" to what you've deemed it to be.? Tell whether your understanding, perfectly agrees, in the truest sense of it, with the original meaning of the word "qadesh", hmm?

Ok. I found that Qadash or (Kadesh) means to be Holy, Sacred, Consecrated. In Sodom, it also refers to male or female prostitutes.
Now, why did you bring it up? How does it relate to our discourse on Homosexualism?

budaatum:
Would you permit me to add the Holy Bible as a common idol of some please? Many do bow down and worship it even though they don't know they do.

I'd like to add Jesus Christ too but don't think that would go down well.

Then he continued, “Do not be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to them.
Daniel 10:12

-Pray
-humble yourself
-seek to understand.

MuttleyLaff:
God hates the qadesh. You do know what a qadeshbis, don't you? Well, God doesnt hate SSA people living and enjoying a strictly monogamous SSA relationship lifestyle, rather He loves them , just the same way He loves you and I, because where love abides, there God is and therein, you'll find God

pressplay411, don't take my word for it, please go and properly read that 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 scripture and carefully study it, you will find out that the scripture has nothing to do or say about two consenting adults enjoying and living a strictly monogamous same sex attraction relationship that harms no one, not children, not animal, not any human being

What's a qadesh?

MuttleyLaff:
God hates the qadesh. You do know what a qadeshbis, don't you? Well, God doesnt hate SSA people living and enjoying a strictly monogamous SSA relationship lifestyle, rather He loves them , just the same way He loves you and I, because where love abides, there God is and therein, you'll find God

pressplay411, don't take my word for it, please go and properly read that 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 scripture and carefully study it, you will find out that the scripture has nothing to do or say about two consenting adults enjoying and living a strictly monogamous same sex attraction relationship that harms no one, not children, not animal, not any human being

You seem not to have wholely submitted to the Word of God. Any part of our self/idol/mindset/possessions/nature that we don't die to, that we don't submit to the Lordship of God becomes our weakness. It corrupts how we see and understand the scriptures.

People who don't want to experience suffering don't want to hear scriptures which teach about suffering for Christ.
People who don't want to experience any form of poverty don't want to hear that blessed is the poor, or how nearly impossible it is for the rich to make the kingdom of God.
People who want to continue to drink and fornicate will likewise quote scriptures to their own destruction.

For some reason you don't see anything wrong with consenting adults committing "harmless" homosexualism, and you're not the first. But until you're ready to submit it, you will not see why it is wrong.

MuttleyLaff:
1/ Please articulate to the best of your understanding, what is evil, wrong and bad in two adult having a romantic strictly monogamous same same sex attraction relationship, that is caring, loyal, kind, love until death do apart and is not harmful to anyone or anything, not a person, not a child and not an animal, hmm pressplay411?

2/ What immorality are such two living and enjoying a strictly monogamous same sex attraction relationship lifestyle, no cheating, no sleeping around, no etcetera hmm?

It's not whether he's nice or kind or good in works. It is all dead works if he's not saved.
It is simply wrong because the Bible says so. That's all the articulation I need.

Genesis to Revelations only portrayed the union of a man and a woman as the righteous and acceptable union.
Every act of homosexualism was portrayed in the scriptures as a symptom and litmus test of immorally degenerate society leaning towards God's judgment.

If you truly submit to the Word of the LORD, that would be good because the Scriptures state it expressly that it is wrong.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.