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Peacefullove:
That's how assumption Master primesky use to do

Are you not ashamed of this twisting you're doing?. Did Jesus commit His spirit into God's hands or not?. This so a case of a guilty party calling another guilty.

You asked a question, whether based on lack of knowledge I don't know. When answered, you and your colleagues twist it.

Tell me, how could Jesus go to heaven, be in the tomb and also be preaching in the prison to souls of ancient men at the same time, how many is He?. I guess the truth is too hard too hard for you. Stop denying the bible and dwelling in a lie.

xaggar:
I think primesky should try to get the meaning of
1. Death
2. Hell
3. Destruction
4. Man.

How do you destroy something and that thing still exist somehow. When I say exist, I mean it lives. 2 thes. 1:9

OK, are you a born again Christian?.

DeepSight:
Please lets be clear. When the bold quoted occurs and leads to pregnancy, what other conclusion can be reached other than the fact that some sort of divine insemination or the other has taken place?

The truth is that the story is rather laughable - and it is certainly curious that people take it seriously. One thing you need to know from the standpoint of the history of religion is that the virgin birth myth is not unique to Christianity. It is littered all over the ancient world as many supposedly divine children were alleged to have some sort of magical birth or the other. Therefore it is not particularly surprising that this myth was imported into Christianity. It is also not the only widespread pagan myth to be imported into Christianity. The Trinity is another example and indeed there are many others.

Below are just a few of several virgin/ miracle birth myths from around the world -

Kabir

In 1440,[62] the poet Kabir was also said to have been born of a virgin widow (a Hindu), through the palm of her hand. Like Karna, Kabir was sent down the river in a basket; he was found and adopted by a family of Muslim weavers, downstream.[63][64] This (presumably posthumous) account—which depicts Kabir as secretly descended from Hindus—was intended to legitimise Kabir's religious authority in the eyes of the Hindu population who venerated his works. This story is absent from Muslim and Sikh accounts of Kabir's work.

Other traditions
Aztec mythology
Huitzilopochtli

The myth of Huitzilopochtli is uniquely Aztec. Huitzilopochtli is therefore considered to be the cult god or the patron god of the Aztec. As a solar deity, Huitzilopochtli is closely related to and overlaps with Tonatiuh. Huitzilopochtli’s mother was Coatlicue, or She of the Serpent Skirt. Coatlicue, known for her devout nature and virtuous qualities, was at Mount Coatepec or Coatepetl ("Serpent Hill"; near Tula, Hidalgo) one day, sweeping and tending to her penance, when she discovered a bundle of feathers on the ground. She decided to save them and placed them in her bosom. Without her realizing, the feathers impregnated her.[65][66][67]

Quetzalcoatl

There are several stories about the birth of Quetzalcoatl. In the first story, Quetzalcoatl was born by a virgin named Chimalman, to whom the god Ometeotl appeared in a dream.[68] In another story, the virgin Chimalman conceived Quetzalcoatl by swallowing an emerald.[69] A third story narrates that Chimalman was hit in the womb by an arrow bolted by Mixcoatl and nine months later she gave birth to Quetzalcoatl.[70][not in citation given (See discussion.)] A fourth story narrates that Quetzalcoatl was born from Coatlicue, who already had four hundred children who formed the stars of the Milky Way.[71]

Mongolian mythology

According to a legend narrated by The Secret History of the Mongols, a Mongol woman named Alan Gua had a son, named Bodonchar, some years after her husband has died. She claimed a radiant yellow person visited her at night and impregnated her. She believed the visitor was the god Tengri. Bodonchar became the founder of the Borjigin tribe and a direct ancestor of Genghis Khan.[72]
Japanese mythology

Miraculous births are common in Japanese folklore, and include Momotarō the Peach Boy (who was found inside a giant peach floating on a river), Kintarō (about whom several origin myths are told), and Kaguya-hime (who was born inside the stalk of a glowing bamboo plant).
Native American mythology

The Great Peacemaker, sometimes referred to as Deganawida or Dekanawida (Iroquois) was born a Huron, and by some accounts, his mother was a virgin, so the birth was miraculous.[73]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miraculous_births#Huitzilopochtli

Aside from the cases cited above there are literally hundreds of claims of magical and virgin births in antiquity, claims of divinity and the like. One therefore should not be surprised that such myths filtered into Christian teaching.

Get off from your canal mind and seek the truth. The Lord God almighty, can never be equated on the level if man and fallen angels.

tomakint:
I just knew it that you will take my words out of context which had made this debate thus long because you do too to others here. I will NEVER discard the words of the Apostles like you assume but my point here is that on matters of this nature (like the Trinity doctrine you are peddling) I will rather stick with Christ's position as I stated it clearly in John 14 that I gave you but you must understand that it is not my right or within my power to force my understanding of those verses in that chapter on you, you have a right to believe what you want. Looking at the teachings of the Apostles right from Acts of the Apostles to the book of Jude, I am yet to see where Trinity was preached like you are doing now because I have already shown you how the Doctrine of Trinity came into being erroneously when actually the purpose of the debate then at the Council of Nicea was to discuss the Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ as being more than a human being born of an Earthly father, Joseph. I am not changing the Bible but you are by peddling what Jesus Christ, who remains the Perfect Authority to tell us about Trinity as you preach it, but He never did, so if you are truly a follower of Jesus Christ like you are saying, why are you preaching, laying emphasis on what he never talked about as being championed at the 325 AD Nicene Creed by Caeser Constantine. My brother, I still believe you will learn the truth as we progress in this soul lifting debates. Shalom

We are still saying the same thing. You have every evidence in the bible, yet you choose not to accept it. Is Philippians 2:5-10, a forged account of what and who Jesus is?. Why do you pick and choose scriptures?.

I showed you what Jesus said about the apostles, and disciples bearing witness, but that will not be OK for you. John the beloved, gave us his own version in John chapter 1, are all of these forged, or are you picking and choosing to defend your believe?. Nothing can be done against the truth.

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmm Well then, what is the IDENTIFIYING mark of true Christianity? Because according to you,LOVE is not enough.John 13:35 Being fully competent and adequately equipped for all good WORKS is not enough. 2Timothy 3:16,17 So how do you concludes that a group is wrong or right regarding Christian standards? As far as i know, you can continue quoting to suit your religion and the same is applicable to myself but when the FRUIT is not evident then it's fake according to Apostle Paul. Galatians 5:22,23 James the Apostle also said something similar when he likened FRUIT to WORKS James. 2:26 GIFT means; prophesying, speaking in tongues, seeing visions, eloquence in speech but WORKS is ability to unite people of all race under one umbrella, turning then from killers to harmless citizens, from divorcées to people maintaining marital status, keeping monogamy, easygoing citizens not protesters, always up and doing in the preaching and teaching work. I can continue to quote the Bible saying your beliefs are wrong and you too can as well do the same but the WORKS as in the FRUITS is what will vindicate the person on the right track. I think that is what Jehovah said regarding the righteousness of those serving HIM. Isaiah 54:17. God bless you!

Pretentious love is not love at all. Why does your group excommunicate those who leave them?. You stop talking to them, they automatically become apostates, us the what love does?. There is a difference between sincere love, and fake love.

Yes, faith without work is dead, but trying to earn salvation by that work is not faith. We're saved by grace, not work as your group erroneously preach. The work we do is born out of the faith and believe we have in God!. Are the demons and fallen angels not working together?, are they no it working very hard?, are they then if God because they're working?. Have you seen the way Boko Haram work alone their members?. Do you know how Isis work among their members?, do they not also preach love and care for one another?, are they not a United group, quoting some religious book to back up their claims?. What we are saying is, the work and loving must be in line with what God commanded. How can you be claiming love of God, and you're contradicting the word of God?. How can you say you're working for God, when you deny the very nature of Jesus Christ?.

TATIME:
#Primesky: Perhaps you're sincere on this issue so i'll give you a benefit of doubt.God warns HIS people in the Bible strictly not to join the crowd in a movement that we're not certain of it's motives. Exodus 23:2 Jesus gave clear commands and said those who are truly His followers will continue to do what He laid down for them. Matthew 10:3-22 24:14,28:19,20. Jesus said His followers will have LOVE amongst themselves to the extent that those not part of them will notice it.John 13:35 He said all other peoples no matter their religious background or nationality will hate His followers INTENSELY. Matthew 10:22 He also adds that they'll be able to defend their faith with the scriptures anytime they're called upon. Matthew 10: 19 compared to Isaiah 54:17 Well all of these is fulfilled completely on this single religious group! So if you're having any doubts as to whether they're the true Christians,why not ask SINCERELY "Why are people talking about their failed prophecies?" I think i'll have to stop here,as you've always responded to my comments "it is well in Jesus name"

A group can have the attribute of love, which is above all things, and still not be of God. The bible made it clear that such will happen, so that's not an authentication or validation of truth. The bible tells us of those who have a form of godliness, but despising the power thereof. What is the power of godliness?. Is it not the Holy Spirit?. If you deny him, then who are you?.

Again, who is an Antichrist?. The bible said, any spirit that does not believe that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is an Antichrist spirit. When a group tells you that Jesus did not rise with a physical body or flesh, contrary to scriptures, does that not authenticate what spirit is in charge?.

Does knowing a ton of scriptures make one a believer, or is it the encounter with God through Jesus Christ by His Holy Spirit?. Who knew scriptures better than Saul, but he was wrong all the while until he encountered Jesus Christ, and his name was changed to Paul. That shows that a group, or an individual can indeed have a form of godliness, quote a ton of scriptures, and still be very opposite of Christ Jesus. The truth shall prevail because the scriptures can not be broken!.

tomakint:
If there is a personality that should be an expert in the teachings of the relationship that exists among God Almighty, His Only Begotten Son and the Holy Spirit, that personality should be our Lord Jesus Christ. Hear him here in John 14: 8-28;

8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Now reading through this I hope you can see Jesus Christ our Lord and SAVIOUR establishing the whole raw truth about his relationship with the Father (God Almighty, Yahweh) and not equating himself as God but the Son of God begotten of God which made him to conclude that "The Father (Yahweh, God Almighty) is greater than him (Jesus Christ)! Please my dear brother, I perceived you are either a Pastor or the Founder of a Church hence, your resistance to simple "corrections in the Lord" we are trying to make you see on this "Trinity Doctrine" you are peddling. Read those scriptures meditatively with an open heart and learn the truth my brother. I will rather believe the Word of Jesus than the Apostles" why? Jesus Christ was A Divine being, a God (not Almighty God), begotten of God not created like the Angels, a powerful Suoernatural Being unlike the Apostles who were mere mortals. Jesus Christ is indeed a loving SAVIOUR who did not peddle falsehood because he came from God!

Ah wonderful!. Well, just to let you know, I am not a pastor, nor am I a founder of any religious group. I am simply a child and servant of the most high God. It is my duty, by the help of the Holy Spirit of God, to defend the truth when it's being attacked.

What you said above is totally shocking to say the least. By inference, you're saying the Apostles and disciples of Jesus Christ gave inaccurate information about who Jesus Christ is. Numerous bible verses point to the fact that Jesus is not only the son of God, but also God. Now, with what you're saying, it then means that, everything said by the Apostles and disciples cannot be taken seriously.

But you're strongly mistaken my dear. Let's look at that passage again.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Jesus Christ, who is God the Son, or the Word of God, the second person of the trinity, stripped himself of all His glory, and pushed aside all attention from Himself when He decided to come to earth. This mindset, made Him to always refer to God the way He did, at some point however like the case of Philip, He revealed a little of who He is. But for this mindset, Jesus would have told the Jews, look, I created you, which is correct, but not once did He say that, rather He said God did, not once did He emphatically say, I am God, why?, that's what the passage in Philippians is telling you. Because after His death and resurrection, the matter was now revealed to these guys(disciples) by the Holy Spirit. Jesus didn't come to show Himself, rather, He humbled Himself, so that we by observing and following, may learn. Otherwise, how could we learn to pray to God, or serve, or humble, submit to God?. But because someone like Jesus Christ did it, even angels have no excuse, let alone us. You have to understand this. You can not have the Holy Spirit of God, and not understand this truth, except you're of a strange religious group or you're a young believer still growing, me too, I'm still growing and learning, I haven't arrived yet, but this truth I know, and I will say it.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.


The comforter is the Holy Spirit of God, here He is to testify of who Jesus Christ is, the question is, why didn't Jesus do it himself there and then while He was yet on earth, wouldn't that be better?. When Jesus came, He focused on the Father, when the Holy Spirit came, He focused on Jesus Christ. Can you see an order there?. No one speaks more of Himself. That is the perfect harmony exiting in the Godhead. God is one, manifesting himself in three persons!

Now, look at the last verse of the above, Jesus whom you said you will rather believe, said that those disciples who are with him will bear witness. The question is, witness of who and what?. By what means?. Now these disciples and apostles have testified about Jesus, and you deny and reject it because of a biased mindset born out of self belief of what the truths and reality aught to be. Brother, I think you need to consider your believe., because not accepting the totality of who Christ is, is not accepting Him at all.

geoworldedu:
But the Holy Spirit fornicated didn't he?

Why the lie?. Did Mary ever tell you she had sex before she conceived Jesus?. Stop this foolish thinking already!. God can not be mocked. You don't bring such crass foolishness to the things of God.

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Can't the one who made the systems of the body control it for His purpose?. Must He be subject to the limitations of man?. Why do you think He's called the Almighty?. Stop the warp thinking.

The one you now despise, us the only life you need to have, your eternal destiny can only be guaranteed by Him. Repent and be saved. Jesus Christ is the only way.

OneJ:
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U get brain but U refused to use it. U have not answered my 4 questions.

"Godhead" was dubiously smuggled into Colossians 2:9 & Romans 1:20. In the Greek Interlinear, the actual word in there is "deity/ divine".


The Greek interlinear NEVER lies.
U can never prove it wrong. No website can prove the New Testament Greek interlinear wrong.
So stop throwing shade.


The Isaac questions. remained unanswered. I no fit know why U dey dodge am....

Is Isaac & Abraham one ? Do they share the same nature & essence? How is Isaac "only begotten son"?

U dey say "why is Jesus always the son of God & not just god or a god?" as if U done forget sey him be your God. U done dey change mouth.


Today your Jesus is the son of God, the next minute U done change Jesus to God.

It is a Fraud to quote Phillipians 2: 6,7 & dodge verse 5. If U dey honest, then quote verse 5 join.

Oh my brother, what shall be done for you now?. You have serious comprehension issue. This brainwashing watch tower is giving you people is very strong!.

Is Godhead divine?, is not everything you ask na, A simple use of Google Search would have saved you this embarrassment. Now go, search the meaning in say Webster Dictionary, when you do, tell me what you see. Please do that, and don't embarrass yourself here again, I don't like seeing you or any person for that matter embarrassed, that's not my aim, OK. Thanks.


As for the Isaac and Abraham question, I see that you're using it as a life line, well let me defend to your level. Isaac and Abraham are not the same. Abraham is head, and Father of Isaac. Why is Isaac called the only begotten son?, again the answer is in the scriptures. See below.

At the time of Abraham's calling to sacrifice his only son in Gen. 22:2, Isaac was his only son. In the previous chapter at Gen. 21:9-12, Ishmael had already been cast out; Hagar was raising him. It is in Isaac that Abraham's seed was defined, called, identified, proclaimed, (Strong's H7121).

Gen. 21: 10 -12 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac. And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son. And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Did you read the part that says, in Isaac shall thy seed be called?.


Now even the very chapter you quoted gave you the answer in the nest verse, but you couldn't see it. Lord please show this man the mysteries of thy word.

Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

Is it then wring to ascribe to Isaac as the 'only begotten son', given what God had said, despite the fact that Abraham had other children?. You seriously need the Holy Spirit to guide you. He alone can fix it for you.

"Jesus is not God’s Son in the sense of a human father and a son, like what you're quoting up above. God did not get married and have a son. God did not mate with Mary and, together with her, produce a son. Jesus is God’s Son in the sense that He is God made manifest in human form (John 1:1, 14). Jesus is God's Son in that He was conceived in Mary by the Holy Spirit.

Luke 1:35 declares, “The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.’”

So please, stop comparing two incomparables as a support for the false believe about Jesus Christ.

So, on that note, I will say again that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, according to the explanation above, and He is God as well.

My brother, what is your brain telling you about Philippians 2:5?.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:


What is confusing there, or what is your point there?. Verse 5 you're talking about, tells you why Jesus though being God, or as the bible put it, in the form of God, 'thought it not...,' the decision not to claim I am God before men, or say, I made you, or anything of such for that matter, was born out of this mindset!. What other interpretation do you see there?. Oh Lord, please help this my brother.

Now, answer the simple question I asked you there as well. Is God and Jesus divided?, are they speaking different things, such that we can choose to believe what God said in the Old Testament, and neglect what Jesus said in the New Testament?. You need to answer my question as well. Thank you.

OtemAtum:
Mother Earth aka Earthus was on earth before the arrival of Yahweh, Allah, Atum, Chaleb, Euchlydes, Chimides,Murmoh, Ephradite and thousands of gods into it. Simply read the book of Aspiramen 2 and stop all these empty arguments.

Oh, so earth is your mother now, right?, and 'mother earth' was on earth before the arrival of the fallen ones?, what a pity!, these devils have completely messed up your God given reasoning. Weren't you the one who said, many gods call you there son?, why are you listing these ones for me?, and hey!, stop roping Yahweh in there!.

Since you have 'mother earth', what about 'mother Mars', 'mother Venus', 'mother Jupiter' 'mother... '. Stop spreading this cheap lies, they don't sell, please.

Stop working for the devil, he cannot pay you.

Repent and be saved. Jesus Christ is the only way.

OtemAtum:
I am OTEM OF TRUTH and there is no lie found in me. If you check the characteristics of all the animals mentioned above, we can even ascribe them more 'holiness' than Yahweh and Allah because that's the fact!

What is truth?. There is only one truth in the whole universe, and that is Jesus Christ. Every other 'truth' is deception and falsehood.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

If you're not with the truth, you're a liar!. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. Repent and receive Him today. Salvation is now!.

OtemAtum:
How have they blinded you to reality! Why is it that you do not know that Yahweh is a creature to God Almighty? How in your entire life do you imagine a fragile Yahweh as God Almighty? Can Yahweh make 0.000000000000000000001% of the energy of the big bangs made by God Almighty?

I am really saddened to see my fellow man like you, swallow such nonsense from the fallen ones. It has been their aim right from time, to disconnect you from your Father in heaven, and alas, you have allowed them to fool you. How can you, a sensible being, believe and fall for such a cheap lie, that a formless, shapeless, inanimate, space, will posses sense, life and creative ability. What a great confusion!.

I have told you time without number, go back to these your sponsors and tell them to back off from my Father's world!. For your information, they have nothing good to offer you.

Repent and receive Jesus Christ today.

OtemAtum:
May the UNIVERSE enlighten you to eventually know the truth? May your strong delusions caused by Yahweh and his people be bleached from your eyes. Learn the truth and liberate yourself from the entanglements of religion.

I remember you in my prayers, because you once tasted the way of truth, but now have fallen for lies.

Remember the scripture that says, no man haven taken hold of the plow and looketh back is worthy of the kingdom. May what happened to you, not happen to another person. But I have hope for you that this blindness of yours will be lifted by the spirit of God.

The whole universe is a creation of Yahweh, the almighty God. You are a special creation of His that have gone astray, and needs to be found.

Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

There's no other way but Jesus Christ.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Salvation is now!. Repent, receive Jesus Christ and be saved.

Jesus Christ is not angel Michael. This is one of the many lies of false religious groups.

TATIME:
Yes na,it's in our heads because those 8 old men in New York gave us indisputable proofs and reasons to store their interpretations in OUR HEADS. So it's not an easy thing to just exchange such powerful inculcated inscriptions of honest hearted,undiluted and sincere TRUTH with this mere stubbornness of "i no go gree" tactics you're carrying in your own head. We're not you and you're not us, NOT the same CATEGORY.

There are too many false prophecies of this so called infallible men. Rather than depend on God's Holy Spirit for guidance, you guys choose to be misled. The falsehood is too glaring to not see it.

Is it a hard thing to see Jesus?. He lives in every believer. Blessed are those who haven't seen, yet believe.

It is self defeat to want to see first before believing. That's no longer faith.

Faith is the substance of things hope for, the evidence of things not seen.

TATIME:
What the Bible said concerning those worshiping God during that end time is NO TONGUE will be able to CONDEMN what they're proving from God's word. Isaiah 54:17 So forget about the accusations of those calling us cults because those opposing Jesus strongly believed that Jesus is the head of a cult. Matthew 10:25,12:24

It is well.

OneJ:
U said "Adam is a spirit being " Yet at no time did Adam see God face to face. Moses is a spirit being ,yet at no time did Moses see God's face.
Primesky, U be spirit, how many times U done see Angel Gabriel & parley with am ?

U too sabi lie.

I sincerely pray for your salvation. The way you guys twist the scriptures, and still make it look so real, is shocking. It brings to mind the story of Saul. Saul knew the scriptures more than the Apostles, he knew the law more than them all, yet Jesus confronted him for acting against God. Human wisdom, reasoning and assumption can never save. Thank God many of your colleagues are now seeing the the truth. You too will join them soon.

So your Bible told you that Adam, or Moses never saw God?. Right?.OK. Elijah too, Ezekiel abi?, all of them never saw God right?. Why will they, very soon you will say the entire bible is forgery. May God save your soul.

The truth to an ignorant person will always be a lie, so nothing new. I will only ask the Lord to open your understanding.

OneJ:
What did U read in Hebrew 11:17 ? Why is Isaac called "only begotten son ?"
U never answer those my questions No1 -4. U just dey rigmarole., dey twist my post out of context.
Yes !!!!.

"Godhead" na forgery. Eee no dey Bible manuscript.
Yes !
Colossians 2:9, & Romans 1:20, in the Greek interlinear texts (word for word transliteration ) to English, the word " Godhead" does not exist in God's word.

Primesky, Is your "Godhead" meaning the same thing as "deity/ divine "? Pls ,give frank answers

https://www.biblehub.com/interlinear/Colossians/2.htm


John 10:30 My Father & I are one.

"For this reason a man will leave his Father and mother and BE UNITED to his wife and the two will become ONE flesh.
So they are no longer two, but ONE"
Matt19:5,6.

Amos 3:3 " Can two walk together unless THEY HAVE AGREED to do so"

Pls take note of those words in big letters. They show U the real meaning of Jesus words in John 10:30.
Shalom

Oh, now, we are back to referencing sites. When I do, it's fake. When you do is authentic?. Hahaha...

How do I now believe the site?. Knowing there are people who believe what you believe, and their are people who believe what I believe, and each will be saying divergent things. That's how it happened with 'The son of God' issue,. You have people who said it wasn't there, yet we have people who clearly pointed it out that it was so. So what do we now do?. The bible verses are enough for you my dear. God is not the author of confusion. My point to you is, come out of that false religion first, I know you thought to defend it with everything you have, and by whatever means possible. Your former colleagues can attest to that.

It is finished!. Whenever the matter gets to you, you call it forgery. You are the one misinterpreting the bible here. Yes, those passages exist and are true, but they do not apply in this context, neither do they apply to the person of God as they do to you and me!. If Godhead is forgery as contained in the bible, then what should we take as truth, watch tower dogma?. May God have mercy on you people.

See eh, the problem you are having, is you do not believe in man having spirit and soul dwelling in his body you can see, if only you understand this, we can make a head way. Other than this, you won't comprehend it.

Tell me, is it possible for Seven spirits, all conscious, active, alive, to live in one single human body?. The bible said this, is that one forgery too.


My father and I are one, if it means what you're saying, the jews wouldn't have tried to stone him. Jesus went on to say that, He is in the Father, and the Father is in Him, He also told Philip anyone who has seen Him, has seen the Father. Again, the bible said, in Jesus Christ dwellet the fullness of the Godhead bodily, can't you see the link, rather than trying everything wrong to disprove it.

We talked about Jesus being the son of God, you people said no, it's forgery. We now talk about Godhead, you are now say it's forgery as well. You and your colleagues are simply living the lie you've been told.

So many bible verses are given for you to read and understand, but you just pick and chose, just to defend a false religion.

You are repeating the Isaac question again, after the explanation.

How did God beget all His sons?. How did He beget Jesus Christ?. And why is Jesus Christ always 'the Son of God and not just god, or a god?. Will you also call that one fake and a forgery?. You can never understand it, nor will your religious dogma support it. Because you first of all do not believe that, the physical man you're seeing has other personalities withing him, who make up the real man. Without this, all I will be saying will be falling to the ground. Only the Spirit of God, who is also God, can reveal it to you. Will you also dispute that the Holy Spirit is God, or will you call it forgery?. The truth is open for the humble soul to see.

tomakint:
Next time for clarity purpose try to read more verses to finish off your half quoted verses especially on John 10: 30 - 31 you quoted. If you take the pain to read further you will find the true answer from our Lord Jesus Christ that he never equated himself as God at all but he corrected the misconception from the Jews who accused him of making himself God through the blasphemy allegations when Jesus said; John 10: 32 - 36

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I (Jesus Christ) said, I am the Son of God?

Looking at the last verse and the bolden part you will now understand that Jesus referred to himself as Son of God and not what the Jews accused him of. Primesky detached your soul from dogma but allow the Holy Spirit to teach you the scriptures. Jesus Christ is the Son of God the "Only Begotten Son of God and he is not Yahweh, God Almighty but a different and distinct Supernatural being from God who attained the Status of being worshipped as seen in Revelations when only God his Father transferred such authority unto him so my brother, they are never the same thing as Trinity erroneously teaches you.

Very good, why don't you also finish the chapter, after the clarification, what did the Jew do?. Now, I'm asking you, since we all are 'gods' likewise angels, why is Jesus always referred to as 'the Son of God'?. You did definite article in school I suppose. Why use it as if He is the only one?. Now, in quoting that verse, you stylishly left out the definite article, why do you guys do this?. Talking about reading the whole passage, after the clarification, let's also see what happened thereafter, which you also left out.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Jesus said, ye are gods in verses 34 & 35. After making the statement that ye are gods, He said '..I am the Son of God, in verse 36, not I am a son, or one of the gods. Tell me are the two statements the same?. Why is he 'the Son of God'?, and the rest, gods?. Why have the Son, when we have many of them?. After repeating the statement again, the Jews still sort to take Him, why?.

If Jesus is not God, what is the essence of this verse of scripture?.

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Why on earth should a non God even think of such to begin with?. Do we then have many Gods and not one?!. You need the Holy Spirit to teach you this properly.

If you do not believe in the deity of Christ, you don't know God, Period!.

My dear, don't be decieved. Jesus is not only the Son of God, but also God. He is a unique person of the God head, just as your spirit is a unique person from your body, and yet one being. Why are you disputing what the bible says. Haven't you read John 1:1-3?.

Peacefullove:
This thread is giving primesky sleepless nights, his cherished beliefs are crumbling like biscuits.

Friend primesky, I saw you finally summon courage to attempt some of the questions , you are on a hot seat .

I will reply soon

I pity you seriously. But just like that your former colleague, who has now found the truth, you too will find it. That is my prayer for you, because you do not know what you're doing.

Peacefullove:
Pastor primesky of assumption ministries, I never for once asked you when Adam die .. I didn't

Question A : DiD the Bible GOD SAY ADAM WILL Go to a Mythical Hellfire ?

He will die @ bold, just as every other living thing

To where will he return ? Primesky !!!! To dust!!! To dust !!! To dust !!! It says Adam will return ti Dust !!!

Do I have to beat that into your ears or you do not believe your bible again .



The bold is funny.

I will show you where I got it from , You. Can now see your ignorance is getting exposed every minute

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Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 1 vs 7

Primesky , can you see where I got it from ?

Kindly tell us if those cities are still burning or not ; Everlasting fire is not hellfire. !!! unless those cities are still burning . hahahaha

Again you missed question 2




@ Red, where is that some where ? Mention. The name oooooo

U earlier said its hell. are you changing stance Primesky ? ( Special question T)



So you are quoting documentary for me as evidence !!! Hahahahaha guy has run out of evidence . sorry. Movies are edited Bro

For what spirit is, I will make a separate post after this, if you are able to solve that question, The whole spirit of man thing will he cleared .



My post after this will address the gibberish you post above .

Another wrong answer , documentary brouhaha ... Pastor primesky





You don't know anything bruh

See this Luke 24 vs 39 spirit does not have flesh and bones. let me drum it into your ears . Spirit does not have flesh and bones

If the rich man is a spirit, he won't have fleshly tongue that drinks water. !!!

Soul won't have teeth bones to gnash!!!

Unless that Bible is a LIE, is it ? Pastor that doesn't know his Bible. Assuming nonsense everywhere , my questions are valid : How does a soul/spirit have bones called teeth ?




Rev 14 vs 10,11. Says in the PRESENCE of Jesus and angels where is that ? . hahahahahha

You woefully answer the questions , you can still try . next am addressing the key issue : Spirit of man. , a person or force ?

Stop the pick and chose and twisting of scriptures. The bible is not a novel you just pick and read, and expect to Understand it. How can you understand spiritual mysteries. You're taunting will achieve zero result Do they teach you people how to lie and twist scriptures?. This is horrible!. Make it look sweet and attractive, and almost as if it the truth, otherwise I don't see why anybody should be with JWs. Because it's one of the most dangerou religion out, it has every firm if godliness, but it disregard the power thereof. What do you stand to prove, that Jesus is lying, is not correct and is not God.

You simply have a comprehension problem because of a biased mind. I was given an example that, the spirit body has features which are not like what you know of the body and off you go, food is ready for you to twist.

Spirits don't have bones, and skeleton like you!. How do I even talk spiritual matters with someone who isn't spiritual?. Ah.. Lord have mercy, I don't know what example to use again, and issue is you already have fixed mindset of what you want to believe?.

Question A, go back and read my reply, and then answer my question. Is Jesus and God divided, in that Jesus said that clearly, that you won't mention!.

Is the account of the New Testament false?. Because the bible said it, but you are disputing it, because one man said so?. Jesus said it, should we disregard it?. You talked about the bible God, is Jesus Christ not a Bible Christ?.Answer that.

Adam is a spirit being living in body, don't you understand English?. He has a body, a soul and a spirit!. The body dies and returns to dust. Understand that Mr. Canal reasoning. Stop picking and choosing bible verses. Man has a spirit, do you need glasses to read and understand it in the bible?. Na wao!. Lord have mercy!

Question 2. Everlasting fire, used here as an example of what will happen to people who do such things. This is an example if the fire we are talking about, and what impact it can have. The bible never told you that was hell, the bible never told you that was unquenchable, the bible said, this is an example of what that fire is like and what it does. Simple understanding.This still brings us back to the first question, is Jesus Christ a lair!. In that He talked about an everlasting fire in hell, which is unquenchable?. That you won't see. Because of your disdain for His person. Rather than accept His words, you will explain it away. Everlasting fire burns you as long as a you in existence, it never can be quenched. You cannot not destroy the spirit or soul, like you can the body, and so the fire burns along. Set a paper ablaze, with fuel, as long as the paper is in existence, and the fuel present, and no force to stop it, can you quench it?. If you like twist this explanation as well. There are many Nigerians, not to talk of non Nigerians, who weren't Christians, who held on to this false believe of yours until they died, but by the special grace of God, He brought them back to warn people about the dangers of that place. Some of these people where your former members. But will you be humble enough to to search them out?. A few days ago, here on Nairaland, one of your former members, found the truth, and false taechings Watch tower has been feeding you guys. Keep playing with hell fire, by twisting and misinterpreting scriptures, and denying its truths with human logic. I pray God will open your eyes like He did to that guy and many others.

Question 3. Hmm.. Master twister! As if you didn't read my reply. I have all this while kept from taking you into deep spiritual matters because you don't have the capacity to understand it when you don't have the Holy Spirit. Did you or did you not read about some souls going to hell, and others roaming about and being used to manipulate man by the devil?. If you didn't read that, go back and see it, and stop confusing yourself.

Documentary!. Look at this one, OK concerning this matter, investigation of any kind is fake?. It then means we should never believe anything. The bib is there I quote and show you the very verses, no, you won't take it, rather you misquote and misinterpret. I tell you my own experience, oh Mr. Primesky is a liar, OK na, there are slot of investigations done by even non believers, who by the way were trying to prove Christianity and the who spirit thing wrong, you still no, now it's all fake.. It's clear your ignorance is self imposed, and is born out of pride. What a shame!. I wonder how old you are. There are elders in your group who have spent decades, and know more than you, suddenly they're now realising the false teachings and are pulling out, these are well know individuals. Find them on facebook. I wonder what you will say about them now. I'm not about surprised because what they say you guys do, is what you and your colleagues are doing here. You too will see the light someday.

Sometimes I wonder if you understand the things your're even saying. You waited luke 24 's 39 about the rich man. You said if he were a spirit, he won't have a tongue to taste water. You see how you twist and misunderstand and misinterpret scriptures?. First of all, what did the Bible say in that story?. Both the rich man and Lazarus died!. They died, you who don't believe in spirit, tell me now how the dead body if the both of them will now be talking and acting. Wouldn't their dead body become dust again as you said?. Master twister!. Confusing yourself and claiming to know it all. Repent, because all I see from all your question, is an attack against the words and person of Jesus Christ, it's either you're totally ignorant if His words, or you're trying to demand Him, or divide between Jesus Christ and God the Father. They both couldn't be speaking different things. Let God be true and all men liars!.

In His Presence!. Mr. Man, my Jesus Christ big pas you, OK?. The presence of the Lord is every where. Jesus said, where two or three are gathered in his name, He is there, do you know how many two or three gathere per time in His name, and His presence is there?. Oh, Mr worldly wisdom, wake up, God is not man!. Even a child won't come so low.

Mr. Twister, you need to stop pick and chose, it out right manipulation of scriptures. It's clear you do not understand the verse you quoted in Revelation, just like you don't understand others.


Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

The bible told us that scripture must be interpreted, scripture by scripture, not pick and choose as you're doing. Read the above verse and read the verse below.

Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.


Please, I believe you did comprehension in school, where was the kings and the beast and the soldiers captured, was it in heaven or on earth?. Who was seated on the horse?. Do you even believe Jesus will come to rule and reign a thousand years here on earth, and after that, He will engage in the battle above?. I know it Winne difficult for you to believe because your watch tower told you that Jesus has already come the second time, will you deny that?. What a false religion?.

The above now makes sense when these proud enemies of God are being tormented before the presence of both Jesus Christ, and His angels. Simple comprehension you won't do, just to contradict the bible and prove a false religion right.

My dear stop chasing shadows about the existence of spirit. The bible is clear, and Jesus made it clear. You're having pointless arguments, twisting scriptures simply because, you don't believe in spirits, and you don't that Jesus himself is God. Now read this below.

Matthew 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

12:44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Does it look like a mere force is acting in the above scripture?. Does ordinary force seek rest?. Even the soul of man seeks rest. How can seven spirits be living in one man, and all you will still see is one man?. How can a mere force,be asking and reasoning so intelligently, and appreciate good things. You just fighting what you don't know. Repent and receive Jesus Christ now.

Peacefullove:
Mr Primesky says



I want the viewers or readers to check the statement above . we found that.

Spirit that goes out of man is that man itself. The real person .

am presenting a point to validate his assertion.


Luke 23 vs 46

Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Father! In your hands I place my spirit!" He said this and died.


According to the above Jesus spirit return to his Father in HEAVEN .

Back to Primesky statement ' the real person which is a spirit

If the Real person is spirit. primesky , do you admit Jesus went to heaven the same day he died ?

Hahaha... Now you've shot yourself on the foot.

Man is a trinity

Body, soul and spirit.

The body dies, and rot away or returns to the dust from which it came.

The spirit returns to God, whether the man is good or bad.

The soul is the one who remains to either join his spirit above, or decend to hell. This two, if you like because they one, are both conscious and alive.

That is why, Jesus speaking, asked a question and said, what shall it profit 'a man' if he gains the whole world, and lose 'his soul' in hell. Both the soul and the spirit, have spirit body, but they're a unique part of a man.

Now, notice that Jesus first gave up His spirit, before His body died, meaning there where different entities involved. Don't forget, Jesus Christ was fully human when He came on earth, yet God.

Now, if Jesus went to heaven that same day, who then rose from the dead?. Mere body? Or don't you believe Jesus Christ rose from the dead?.

I don't normally go as deep as I have gone with you guys, but ultimately, I believe God will help you grasp this mysteries. Now take a look at this verses below.

Proverbs 20:27 The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.

The Spirit of man is the one who God communicates with most often, and he passes that information to the human soul. The spirit and the body are core enemies because of sin. They go against each other, the soul is always in the middle of this fight, if the man allows his flesh to win by sin, he's lost and his spirit returns to God. That's a case of a lost soul. If he allows the Spirit of God by Christ Jesus to walk with his own spirit, he possess both spirit and soul, awaiting a glorified body which the Lord will give to him at the end.

The spirit is more like the black box of man recording everything happening in a man's life. He is pro righteous, and God centred. He is the original man created in the image of God, but he is not complete without His soul!. When a plane crashes, no matter what or how it happens, all you need to get is the black box and it tells you everything. So whether the Holy Spirit of God is in a man or not, his deeds are recorded and can never be denied by him, because like the verse above, the spirit of man is the candle, or say, agent of the Lord probing everything the man is doing.

The soul of Jesus Christ at death surely decended into hell by virtue of the fact that He was carrying the sins of the whole world, which made the Father to turn away from Him, and He cried and said, my God my God, why has thou forsaken me, you will want to ask, if God has forsaken Him, how come He is committing His spirit into His hands, I have explained that above. His body died, His spirit ascended to heaven, while his soul decended, but many times, you will see soul and spirit used interchangely because they're almost the same and alike, though they are different.

The body can not live without the spirit. If the soul dwells in the body without the spirit, that body will still not live. But the body can still live even without the soul, but that will no longer be a human being. That's what the devil does to manipulate people because fallen angels are spirits, and they can enter any body dead or alive and manipulate it. That is what may happen with alien deception soon, bodies with spirits, but no soul.

Another thing, I want to bring to your notice is, Jesus told the Pharisees that He will rise up from the dead by himself, but the bible also said that it was God the father who raised up Jesus Christ, is Jesus lying?. No!. When you understand that they are one, then you will truly comprehend what is happening here. Because the spirit of Jesus was in God's hands as He committed it there, when it was time for Jesus to come back to life in the body, God sent back that spirit, because without the spirit, the body cannot live.

Ephesians 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

This same Jesus decended first into the lower part of the earth, to do what?.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Notice from the above what was put to death, his body. Yet this same Jesus, whose spirit ascended, went to preach to the spirits in prison, obviously, this prison is not in heaven but in the lower part of the earth, and He can't be preaching to non living or non conscious beings.

The second thing Jesus did when He decended below, was to really mess up the kingdom of darkness /hell.

Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Jesus had to engage in this punishment of the devils for us, by which he also stripped them of the rights they stole from man. Did any human see this battle going on?, no!. Why?, because, It didn't take place in the physical, so how did this man Paul know about it?, it was revealed by the Holy Spirit. That's why we need Him!. Now because of the above verse, Jesus Christ could say this below.

Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Can you posses the keys of hell without first going there?.


Now, the question is, how is it possible for one man to have gone to heaven, and at the same time His body is in the tomb, and at the same time He is carrying out a preaching and walloping excercise in hell?. Simple!, because He is a trinity, being man, yet one person! . That is How God is too, and because of that He can be everywhere doing different non connected things, yet He's one person. He chose to make us (humans) like that, angels aren't that way. So there you have it. I wish you understand this.

search4truth:
Thank you sir.. Are you also a jw or ever been one?

No, I'm not. But I love their passion and devotion just like Saul had, though he didn't know he was doing the opposite thing.

I long to see JWs come to the truth. Thanks bro.

MuttleyLaff:
Yes, if that is your sexual orientation

I am glad you accept and agree that there isnt any word for it in the bible days.

What exactly was the bible condeming?
Stating clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt,
the $64,000 question is, what correctly, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the committed abomination they did before God?
(i.e. what correctly and pato, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the things they do/did, that God hates and/or detests?)

Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27 is a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13
where at, Paul, is echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were given

The same practice that was happening in Canaan in the Leviticus 18:22 & Leviticus 20:13 times, were still around and happening in and around Rome.

Incidentally, the Leviticus 18:22 & Leviticus 20:13 times, Romans 1:24, 26 & 27 times practice, is still very much around, happening in at least India

God doesnt find anything wrong with doing the 3Rs

Let's make this a little more intricated, by adding adultery, fornication etcetera
Primesky, have you committed adultery/fornication?
How many times have you, how often or how regular do you commit adultery/fornication?
Carefully think about Matthew 5:27-28 first, before answering though

We live in an abnormal world
It is abnormal for a homosexual to be a heterosexual and vice versa
If you arent gay, it is abnormal for you to act gay,
for one that's gay, it is natural for such to be gay

C'mon now Primesky,
you and I know, Sodom and Gomorrah, was earmarked for destruction before the attempted rape of the angels now

You typed:
"Even the passage you quoted said 'spoiled',
but you chose to extract only what suits you now'."

What an absurd, dishonest and irresponsible comment to make
Where in the whole of Ezekiel 16:48-50 is written or spoiled talked about?
It exactly every thing and all Ezekiel 16:48-50 said, that I repeated in my comment
but you've turned round to make an allegation that is completely false that I chose to extract only what suited me
Why not paste Ezekiel 16:48-50 here, for all to read its contents

Please get a grip with Ezekiel 16:48-50
How many times do you want to hear that, Sodom and Gomorrah, was earmarked for destruction even before the attempted rape of the angels?

You really dont have a clue. SMH
The practice that is an abomination to God, is what God, in Leviticus 18:3, Leviticus 18:30 and Deuteronomy 18:9, kept harping on about.
Go check them out, understand and learn from reading them

Of course what happened there was rightly described a wicked act by Lot because it was attempted rape
Attempting to have sexual intercourse or some other forms of sexual penetration against a victim(s) without their consent
It is not normal and God will be bothered about it

It is evil really?
Fight gay/homosexuality really?

Moving along, Johanna Siguroardottir, Leo Varadkar, Xavier Bettel, Ana Brnabic, Shabnam Mausi, Elio Di Rupo etcetera
I almost forgot to chip in Alan Turing, too
Primesky, you know these guys, right?
OK, please tell, Primesky, are any of these guys evil?
You support having fights with them?

You want to intimidate & throw your weight about by using "abomination" abi?
We will soon find out whether or not, you really know and understand this big word "abomination" and the contexts, in bible, its used with

Lets just use these two scriptural verses to start with:
The bible mentions abomination in Leviticus 18:22,
it also when talking about not to eat shrimps mentions abomination in Leviticus 11:9-12

The question now is, in those two cases, who is abomination relative/related to in each of those two scriptural verses?

We thank God for that and that you arent Jesus

Hmm... First of all, I salute your patience in writing all these things, but sorry to tell you bro., from the bible's perspective, you're wrong!.

Your argument is that since we live in an imperfect world, and homosexuality is an imperfect act, just like stealing, lying, fornication etc, we should just allow it?.

Well, I hope you know this world is not our home?. We aught to by conscious decision, accept Jesus Christ, and make it to heaven. Now, the question is, can a man who is imperfect, come to a perfect saviour, and remain imperfect, and expect to go to a perfect heaven with that imperfect state and nature?

No matter, your argument, God will never accept that. Imperfection and corruption in man is vast, but that is the reason why Jesus Christ came to restore us to perfection!.

The bible totally condemns homosexuality, please don't try to excuse it. If you're affected by it, you can be free by the power of Jesus Christ!

Accepting homosexuality which is an abnormality, because other abnormality like fornication, lying and stealing exist, is self defeating. Because the fate of those captured by the other abnormalities, will be the fate of the homosexuals as well.

God will never accept homosexuality!. it's a great wickedness, sin and confusion!. Repent and be saved. Thanks.

[quote author=Maamin post=70462579][/quote]That didn't answer the question at all!. God the Father remains the Head of the Trinity.

The argument against Jesus Christ being part of that is the subject of contention!. So don't hide behind that verse.

The question for those who say, Jesus Christ is not God is, how come He, Jesus Christ is the fullness of the Godhead bodily?. How can a non God, according to some persons, now be the fullness of the Godhead?.

I have tried to use water, ice and vapour to explain this thing, and I said, the head of this trinity of water, ice, and vapour, is water!. They all revolve around water!. Yet they are one!. God the Father is the Head of Christ, God the Father is the Head of the Holy Spirit. But are we saying there are now three Gods?. No!. We still have one person manifested in trinity!.

If Jesus is talking, or if the Holy spirit is talking, they can only talk in terms of the Head, which is God the Father, because they are one, and united!. They can't exist without the Head!. Why are you people confusing yourselves on this?.


It's very easy to let this matter go, but for someone to say that Jesus Christ is not God, but a created being just like us, is completely false!, and it will be wrong for believers to keep quiet about that.

May the love if God rule our heart. But ultimately, may the truth of God's word prevail. Shalom

OneJ:
I did not & will NEVER twist the holy scriptures.

U said "who else goes by the title ' the son of God' as if he alone is the son of God. But we are all God's sons.

Let's see who actually is a LIAR.

This your statement ", It carries a higher meaning than you guys are ready to accept....".
Q1) Primesky,pls prove it with your Bible.

Aside Jesus Christ ,Isaac is the only other person the holy scriptures called "only begotten son" Hebrew 11:17,.

Q2) Primesky, did Isaac share the same nature & essence as Abraham?
Q3 Is Isaac & his Father, Abraham, one?
Q4) Does Isaac share equality with Abraham ?
Pls respond.
Shalom.

Hahaha... Please bro., understand what you're talking about first. We're talking about the almighty God here. You see, there goes the twisting I'm talking about. Issac is the only begotten son of who, God or Abraham?. Get your analogy right please.

The way God brought about Jesus is not the same way Abraham brought about Issac. One is the almighty God, the other is a human being. Again, all the angels and all humans, likewise all spirits, including those who have now corrupted themselves, where all brought forth from God directly, that is why they are called sons of God. But for Jesus Christ, He is called 'the Son of God', meaning, He is the full embodiment of God Himself. That is why He could say, whoever have seen me, have seen the Father.

I ask you again, if there exist a Godhead, and this God head is embodied in Jesus Christ as the scriptures said, who and what makes up that Godhead?. If it the be that the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him, can He in any way still be different, since He is carrying the fullness of the Godhead?. Please answer it.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

For your questions in 2, 3, & 4 above, I will ask you too, why did the Jews, knowing this, according to you, claim that Jesus was making Himself God?.

Secondly, with what you asked in question three, do you agree that Jesus Christ lied when He by himself, said, I and my Father are one?, the very statement that led the Jews to accuse Him of blasphemy. Please answer that as well.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

Even when Jesus said it, you're disputing it. When I say you do not yet truly know the real Jesus Christ, this is the evidence. That you will see a scripture given, and still go ahead to dispute it, all in an attempt to further a creed not supported by the bible.

The statement by Mr. President in itself is commendable, but we must start seeing corruption beyond stealing money. Nepotism is corruption, certificate forgery is corruption.

Favoritism in government, disregard of the rule of law, like abandonment of the Federal character in terms of political appointment, impunity in government, all these and many more are corruption.

The president has so far shown some character, but obviously much is required. The third columnist within his government are, to say the least, saboteurs!.

We as Nigerians, must learn to speak truth to power. We must learn to commend when we should, and constructively criticise when we should. At the end of the day, it's still out country.

He that comes to justice must come with clean hands.

Nigeria is not making progress as she aught to, given our rich human and natural resources, we aught to do better, and the buck stops at the president's desk!.

Aliupdatenews:
Popular Controversial Nigerian OAP,
Daddy Freeze , has spoken out again on Twitter telling his followers about when really he became a Christian.read below........
https://www.aliupdate.com.ng/2018/08/daddy-freeze-says-day-i-stopped-going.html?m=1

The day he stopped going to church is the day become something other than a Christian. Someone who goes contrary to the injunction of the scriptures, can not claim to be a Christian. Impossible!.

Jesus, though being God, did everything to fulfill all righteousness, so why would a mortal pick and choose what and what not to obey.

The bible said, do not forsake the gathering together of yourselves, and here this man is saying something different.

Follow Christ, follow the scriptures, be watchful, for there are many wolves in sheep's clothing prowling around.

search4truth:
I had to create a new moniker for this.

I think so many people are waking up in the organization. I myself just woke up too. Those defending the JWs and the organization with their soul, i was like that also. I think you should keep in your mind psalms 146:3. We shouldnt put our trust in princes nor any man who cant bring salvation. The organization has a lot of doctrines that have been changed consitently which they refer to as new light. If the GB claims to be inspired by the holyspirit then their doctrines shouldnt change because the bible says Gods word does not change. The one that got me was the watchtowers membership with the united nations. The watchtower definitely had no excuse for that because theyve consistently referred to the UN as babylon the great. Besides that, the elders have a secret book(Sheperd the flock of God book). According to the book, elders can coverup their own sins and still be elders in the congregation, the two witness rule in child rape cases and more.

The governing body takes bible passages out of context for their own selfish reasons.

Besides, a governing body member actually lied inder oath at the ARC(Australian royal commision) concerning the child rape cases.

Also the disfellowshipping rule is non-biblical and very inhumane. Which shows that the Jws love is conditional. They would all shun you immediately you dissasociate or when youre disfellowshipped.
This has broken so many families and even led some to commiting suicide.

Not only is the watchtower associated with the UN but also with the OSCE which is affliated with the UN.


That is why the governing body keeps telling the members that they should not lookup any other site apart from jw.org

They have also discouraged young ones from getting higher educations because they know an educated person would think critically(not all though) even though.
So to my fellow brothers thinking this is the perfect organization, you still have more to know about this hideous organization.

I cant even ask the elders this questions or prove anything to them as it might cause me to get shunned by my family. The GB requires unquestionable obedience from all its members less you face the consequences.

Dont forget how many people the no blood rule has killed. But now the governing body says receiving some blood components gotten from blood are now okay. Imagine how families that have lost a loved one to the no blood rule would feel. This is the same organization that did not allow vaccines and organ transplant in the past also leading to the death of many.

Less i forget was also the politics the GB played in the Mexican-malawi scandal leading to thousands of death of witnesses in Malawi.

For those willing to research, i would say you look up the organizations history also which would show you that this organization is based on a pagan origin. Because CT Russell was a freemason and he used freemason symbols on early watchtowers.
Jws say birthdays are bad because they are based on pagan worship, but why do they use wedding rings? Dont they know wedding rings originated from paganism. Same with so many occasions they do.
But yet the hypocrisy in this organization is so alarming.
Im tired of writing.

I couldnt butress on all this points. MAKE RESEARCH ON THESE POINTS because they are true.
I actually wished they werent true first time i made my research with my heart beat rapidly beating. Turns out they were true because non refutable evidences were given.

Note- Im presently PIMO(Physically in mentally out) just for the family.


Jwfacts.com
http://beroeans.net

God bless you bro. May the grace of God keep you from falling, and may God use you to win others to Him.

I sincerely pray for Peacefullove,TATIME and OneJ, that God will reveal Himself to them.

OneJ:
Why U dey fall the hand of everyone following this thread? Primesky , answer the questions labelled "A to E", wey Peacefullove dey ask U & U go make Devil shame.

Since U wan dodge am, your claims on this thread belongs to the refuse dump. Shalom.

See, let me tell you, i'm not here on this forum by my strength or power. So, if you think this your stunt will shake me, you're wasting your time. I will continue to defend the truth, and expose the false teaching.

If you like accept it, if you like make fun of it. Lies can never trump truth, never!.

OneJ:
Peacefulove, oneJ

Primesky ,Oga answer these questions with your Bible rather than throw shade. These thought provoking questions are crying out for answers. We no be small children wey go swallow una shades & insults hook ,line & sinker. Shalom.

Ordinarily I won't border answering these questions. But so you can see your falsehood. I will answer them again. I will also demand that you answer my questions thereafter.

A. God told Adam and eve the day they eat the fruit, they'll die. Adam has a spirit and he has a soul that still exist! Did Adam and Eve die same day?. In your human reasoning, no!, but they actually died that day (spiritual separation from God). Otherwise, you will be saying God lied, as Adam lived for more than 500 years afterwards before his physical death. Secondly, did Jesus say people could enter hell fire (emphasis on fire)?. Is Jesus and God divided, or are they speaking in contrariness?.

Matthew 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.


B. Who told you the fire of Sodom and Gomorrah was 'everlasting fire'?. Where did you read that from?. So because it was with brimstone and sulfur, that makes it everlasting?. God is Spirit, He made both the spirit world and the physical world. Everything we see physically, has its origin from the spiritual realm. If only you understand this, there won't be this argument. The physical fires you know can have absolutely no consequence on a spiritual being. Yet, there exist a spiritual aspect of the very things you see around you. The spirit of these people who died in that fire still exist!.

Ca. What did the Bible say?, not what I said. Why do you seek to contradict the bible?. If the water washed them away like you said, meaning nothing is left of them, then who did Jesus go to preach to in the prison after death? Secondly, how can a dead person also be preaching, when in actuality, his body is lying in a tomb?. The bible clearly mentioned who they were, that they were disobedient in the time of Noah!. How is it that you read and can't understand?.

1 Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Between when the flood took place and killed this people and when Jesus went to preach to them, thousands of years have elapsed. But their spirits lived on, confined somewhere. God gave them the same previledge as it where of hearing the gospel of Christ though they were dead, because a day of general judgement is coming, when all souls/spirits ever created will be judged based on their decisions, and on whether or not they believed in Jesus Christ. Try not to twist that passage, it's clear for you to see.

Cb. You're asking a question, and you have also concluded the answer. Why don't you tell us what spirits they are, in light of the scriptures above. You're ignorant of the spirit world, yet you're the one shutting somebody up. The verse above Tells you whose spirits those are, do you want to twist scriptures again?.

When people die, there spirits go to heaven or hell. There are some spirits which roam around, hide away, like run away criminals. In the bush, at sea, in a house and so many places like that, depending on where they died. If the devil likes, he drags them to hell, if he likes, he use them to terrorize the living. But the spirit of the righteous can never suffer such fate as there are angels ready to lead them home even at there death bed. If only you understand this. But at the end, all rogue spirits, demonic spirits and fallen angels will be gathered into one lake of fire. The bible tells us, that there are some fallen angels who are chained up in darkness, and there are some who still roam about, manipulating things from the celestial and water realms. If only you understand this. Go and watch documentaries of haunted houses, and locations, they're not fake!.

D. Adam and Eve died the very day they ate the fruit. I have answered that question. God said they will die in that day, so why did Adam and Eve live for more than 500 extra years?. I ask, is God then lying?, no!. It's difficult for you, because you don't believe in the existence of the real person which is a spirit. The body you see, which people bury at death, is only a container/ house/clothe. It is not the real person. The real person is a spirit, and he never dies like the flesh you know dies. His death is eternal separation from God. When Adam and Eve sinned against God, the fellowship, communion, relationship that existed then was lost, and God by himself drove them out of the garden. Do you think God didn't know they will live extra years on earth before their physical death?. This differences, is what the devil exploited then, and it's what he is exploiting now to fool people that their's no soul or spirit.

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. By this all the offspring of Adam, where classified as dead. Read 3 John 5:12

E. The problem you have here is just that you don't believe spirits to be personalities with consciousness. That's why it's difficult for you to accept them having those features.

I will answer this question with two questions. Be very truthful about it. 1. What body did Jesus Christ rise with, and what body did He ascend into heaven with?.
2. Is Jesus flesh and blood or is He a spirit?.The bible said flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. If Jesus is flesh, how come he is in heaven, or is He not?. please be honest with the reply.

F. So that's your confusion?. Who made the skeleton?. Was the skeleton and teeth made by a human being or was it made by a spirit being, which is God himself?. If there exist a spirit body, is it a hard thing for God to make a spirit body as well?. I don't know who you assume God to be in terms of capabilities and power.

Secondly, the bible told us that men ate angels food which is manner, are angels not spirits?, how did they eat the food?. The Israelites masticated the manner in their mouth after preparing it, so how did the angels eat it?. How did they masticate it?.

> If there's anything like angels food which can be touched even by human hands even though it's not human/flesh food, is it too hard to have wine as well for the Spirit or in the spirit?. A drink for pleasure, and one which serves as punishment rather than pleasure?.

> I Have never said hell is in heaven. Stop the twisting.

Deuteronomy 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.


At least, that should give you an idea where he'll is located. Take note who is speaking there.

I hope when I mention you two later to answer some questions you will oblige?.