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Thank You Bro Dave Wood and Sam Shamoun as well Plappville for this take on Jesus and Mohammed, I have not read the rebuttals from our resident Muslim brothers but you guys have to be really thinking and examining your positions.

Praise the Lord

@Lagosshia and Bashy Demy, I see you guys quietly ignored the hadiths quoted by Plappville. Mohammed said it and his followers did it as well.

By the way this is one the trusted hadith you guys like to quote/use.

That is always their plan, they preach tolerance and peace when they are in a minority, look at what has happened in Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria. Soon as they get numerical numbers, they will try subdue the existing population. Mohammed did this. The humiliation and sufferings of Coptics in Egypt is an example and also Christians in Assyria. Its major news but the media will not report it widely.

Perhaps he didn't listen to advice from his leaders not to make a fuss as yet because they do not have the numerical strength as yet

Lord in heaven I despair!

Sweetnecta:
i don't think plappville is wide awake enough to know what Lagosshia said, above. But that's another matter altogether, different from her convoluted reply.

Did Adam speak about Jesus? Not at all, because the mistake of Adam in their test was not rectified in forgiveness through any thing about Jesus. Adam was forgiven by God, directly and Jesus was not known back then, even as Immanuel, a name he was not called but the christian read it to mean him.

If I go by the the verses of the Acts, the abolition of the OT, thereby making Jesus God is a witness against the christians. Then Jesus said that the Comforter shall lead to all truth, hearing from God and just repeating it, even he living by it, is also rejected by the christians, since nothing new was brought by the ghost, while Muhammad brought remembrances of the Old religion which was perfectly completely upon as favor to mankind.

Jesus was not known back then you said. You err Mr sweetnecta, John 1:3, Hebrews 1:2, Col 1:15-16, 1 Cor 8:6 all disprove that claim you have just made. Nothing new was brought by the Holy Ghost, I thought He was to remind the followers of the things that Christ taught whilst he was on earth? If the spirit teaches something different from what God the Son taught then that spirit was/is an evil spirit.

If you claim the spirit is Mohammed, then Mohammed definitely taught something different from what Jesus taught. Everybody knows that.

Mr Lagosshia, I asked you to read the very same verse you quoted to try and pull wool over my eyes and i asked you to read the same verses but read the surrounding passages to get the context. Who is talking about old and new covenant?

Matthew 7:21
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

You acknowledged that Jesus said this. I am sure you have read it again and again and if you cannot decipher and see the authority in this statement, then you have a problem .

It establishes Jesus as God, the one who has the keys of heaven, the one who will cast out to hell fire, the one who knows the contents of your heart because in this passage it clearly states that the people say Lord to him but their hearts are elsewhere. The same Isaiah 29:10 you quoted and refused to look at verse 13, can you see how you're systematically hanging yourself?

Did your prophet make such a claim anywhere in the quran??

13The Lord says:

“These people come near to me with their mouth
and honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
Their worship of me
is made up only of rules taught by men.b

Here comes Lagosshia again with ini mini maini mo, picking verse at random and trying to confuse himself. Did you read the verses in the context they were written?

I will shout here and everyone else please permit me READ THE PASSAGES IN CONTEXT then you can discuss inerrancy if there is such a word

Ezekiel 14 please start from verse 1
2 Thess 2, please start from verse 1
Gen 22:1 is "tested". God tested Abraham's faith in sacrificing "Isaac" the promised son (who you guys refuse to believe was the one to be sacrificed but quite convenient to quote to make God out to be what He is not). The same faith established him as a friend of God in the same book of James 2. All other translations used tested as opposed to tempted. When you bring up such things, I use the German bible translations to confirm the context.

John 12:40, start from verse 37 to the end
Isaiah 6:10, why don't you start from the beginning
Isaiah 29:10, why don't you read the whole chapter to get the meaning? Incidentally verse 12 is one of the same verses you guys try to write your prophet into the bible.

You guys are ridiculous, Some parts work for you but some parts don't.

Thank You Judek2, concur with Plappville, good of you to notice that. Sweetnecta is back in trying to reason the koran with Alaafin of Oyo. That argument is weak i must say.

I will rather speak like royalty in UK. "One is not amused". I cannot say we are not amused because I look around and my wife is watching TV and she doesn't know what I'm typing on Nairaland 

I for one vote for the Touareg simply because of size. I love big diesel engined cars for the torque. But I also read somewhere most likely in a mag about the stability of the Touareg at speed. (Stability in the sense that it needs lots of input to the steering because of the weight of that big diesel lump). I brought a 3.2 V6 for a family member 4 years ago and they are not bad SUV but I have never driven a Q7 though so cannot compare.

But since you're an engineer working on this cars shouldn't be an issue because I also hear when the turbo goes its a nightmare to fix.

I would love the V10 Phaeton though regardless. Sorry I know no cars just SUV but couldn't resist.

If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance (32:13). Contrast God Almighty in this verses below.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1 Tim 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Thank God for his mercies.

Plappville, thanks for this. James 2:21 and Hebrews 11:17-18 also confirms this.

But ultimately the discussion really is about the permissive will of God and the perfect will of God. Sarah tried to move God's hand by her impatience and unbelief by giving her maidservant.

God said she will be with child but she doubted and did not believe,  and in her unbelief she suggested Abraham have an offspring through her maidservant and that will make her happy.

Perfect will =  Sarah/Isaac
Permissive will = Hagar/Ishmael

Bashy demy, are you trying to say Moses will refer to his God whom he spoke face to face and mouth to mouth to mean Mohammed? The English bibles say the LORD, are you equating Mohammed with God The four translations of the German bible I gave to you 2 of them said the LORD, one said Yahweh and the other said Jehova. There is no ambiguity here. The Hebrew bible calls the LORD YHWH in Deut 33:2 I don't know how Yahweh/Jehovah/The LORD=Mohammed?

Hello Bashy Demy, you think you can score a point and put Mohammed in Deut 33:2? I said KJV is wrong in translating the hebrew word RBBH properly. I did not say the KJV is wrong oh. DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH THAT I DID NOT SAY. Other translations especially NIV used myriad but KJV used ten thousands not 10,000 not ten thousand which still means multitudes and not an exact figure. If they knew 400 years ago that people like yourself will latch onto this particular part i am sure for avoidance of doubt they too would have used multitudes.

Most other translations use ten thousands. As someone who is educated like you've mentioned in this post, I am sure can tell the difference between ten thousands and ten thousand. What I find laughable is that you guys are so desperate to find Mohammed in the bible that your exegesis of text is always incomplete, wrong or flawed. Look at verse 17 of the same Deut 33, the same word RBBH appears even twice. It says ten thousands and the next time it says thousands. This passage was clearly about Moses' blessing upon Israel, all the tribes of Israel are mentioned

With this your education, (Thank God for that), I am amazed that you tried to argue against Deut 18--Acts 3 but now because it is so obvious the Prophet is not your prophet (praise the Lord we agree on something)

Yes KJV celebrated 400 years recently but the Luther 1545 Bible is 466 years old and it says many thousands of saints. Remember you do not have to go learn German to see the truth, ten thousands and ten thousand are two different things. I really do not see what point your are making here.

This word does not simply mean 10,000; rather it means "multitude, myriad, ten thousand" according to Strong's Hebrew Dictionary. More modern translations, such as the NIV, translate it in Deuteronomy 33:2 as just that, "myriad". It does not signify a precise numeric amount, simply a great many. An interesting exercise is to look through the Old Testament at all the occurences of the word to understand how it is used in this context. Here are the 16 places where it occurs, just for reference:

Genesis 24:60 1 Samuel 18:8, Leviticus 26:8, 1 Samuel 21:11, Numbers 10:36, 1 Samuel 29:5, Deuteronomy 32:30, Psalms 3:6, Deuteronomy 33:2, Psalms 91:7, Deuteronomy 33:17, Song of Solomon 5:10, Judges 20:10, Ezekiel 16:7, 1 Samuel 18:7, Micah 6:7

Hello there Bashy-Demy, you called me out of retirement.


Firstly it says the LORD and that is what it is, The LORD. We can argue that Bible scholars realised the 10,000 was impractical from the translation in many versions of the bible especially KJV and changed it in NIV version. But look at scholarship, it is said that the King James translation is wrong because the hebrew word RBBH does not mean 10,000 reason why you have myraid in NIV.

So this is not Mohammed leading "saints" from Mecca to Medina because Paran is near Arabia

Using the Bible in German translations

Luther Bibel (1912)
Und er sprach: Der Herr ist vom Sinai gekommen und ist ihnen aufgegangen von Seir; er ist hervorgebrochen von dem Berge Pharan und ist gekommen mit viel tausend Heiligen; zu seiner rechten Hand ist ein feuriges Gesetz an sie.

Textbibel (1899)
Er sprach: Jahwe kam vom Sinai her und glänzte ihnen auf von Seir. Er ließ sein Licht aufleuchten vom Gebirge Paran und kam nach Meribath Kades, zu seiner Rechten ein loderndes Feuer.

Luther Bibel (1545)
und sprach: Der HERR ist von Sinai kommen und ist ihnen aufgegangen von Seir; er ist hervorgebrochen von dem Berge Paran und ist kommen mit viel tausend Heiligen; zu seiner rechten Hand ist ein feuriges Gesetz an sie.

Elberfelder Bibel (1871)
Jehova ist vom Sinai hergekommen und ist ihnen aufgegangen von Seir; er ist hervorgestrahlt von dem Berge Paran und ist gekommen von heiligen Myriaden. Aus seiner Rechten ging Gesetzesfeuer für sie hervor.

As you can see even Luther translation of the Bible said many thousands of saints (not an exact figure), Elberfelder 1871 said a myriad of saints, Luther 1912 also said many thousands of saints. The translations are centuries old and we can argue against corruption of the texts in this regard.

2And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them

Remember this happened when they were in the wilderness when the LORD led the children of Israel by a pillar of cloud during the day and fire during the night. If I have not explained to your satisfaction please bear with me but the German translation pretty much satisfies the amount of people that were led by the LORD.

Oh My Goodness! Bashy Demy just acknowledged Jesus to be the Son of God. Halleluyah!

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=819003.msg9764493#msg9764493 date=1323877392]Now read very well and tell me where Jesus fit in the prophet we are expecting.I have few Questions for you,
1,  According to the bible,  Is Jesus Prophet, Son of God, of god
2, According Verse 26 it says,  Unto you First,God raised up his Son Jesus, Sent him to bless you,  Did you know what that mean? i will explain. Actually the prophet is coming but God raise up his son unto you first. Sent him to bless you, I believe this is alone if a proof that Jesus cannot be the Prophet cos if he happen to be the prophet why will God have to first raised him and prior to the Prophet,  I think you need to sit down and read that verse very well,  God Bless you[/quote]What it means is that they were the first to witness that "Prophet" that God promised to raise for them "His Son Jesus ". I really do not understand why we are still debating this.

But since you guys claim Deut 18 and we have constantly debunked the claim to mean Jesus, look at verse 24, it says Yea, all the prophets from Samuel and those who followed after, as many as have spoke, have likewise foretold these days.

What it means from that text is that all other prophets that God raised after Moses has foretold of what was happening. In all honesty, I don't know how else you want to spin this chapter to mean Mohammed because from your arguments you only claim the prophesy of Moses but it says even Samuel and all the other prophets prophesied what was happening.

Samuel and Ezekiel and the like did not prophesy Mohammed, even your Ahmed Deedat that is supposed to be your authority in such issues did not see this.

You and I know Isaiah prophesied, Jesus' death and resurrection and this event in Acts 3 took place after the crucifixion and resurrection. What more do you want,

Officially I am signing out of this post. The evidence is overwhelming, the scriptures have backed up the prophecies and If that is enough for you to see the truth and start asking questions about the untruths in the quran or with your scholars, that is entirely your problem. At the end of time we will give account.

Read the whole of Acts 3 but focus on verse 22 till the end. I have pasted the 21st century King James Version for proof.

22For Moses truly said unto the fathers, `A Prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you from your brethren, like unto me; Him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever He shall say unto you.
23And it shall come to pass that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be destroyed from among the people.'   
24Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those who follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
25Ye are the children of the prophets and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, `And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.'
26Unto you first, God, having raised up His Son Jesus, sent Him to bless you in turning every one of you away from his iniquities."

Deut 18:15-22 that you posted earlier

15"The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, from thy brethren, like unto me. Unto Him ye shall hearken,
16according to all that thou desired of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, `Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.'
17And the LORD said unto me: `They have well spoken that which they have spoken.   
18I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren like unto thee, and will put My words in His mouth; and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command Him.   
19And it shall come to pass that whosoever will not hearken unto My words which He shall speak in My name, I will require it of him.   
20But the prophet who shall presume to speak a word in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or who shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.'
21And if thou say in thine heart, `How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?'--
22when a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously; thou shalt not be afraid of him.

I guess it was only my comment you read, But never read the one of proo212 and plappville. They brought back the topic on here and i have to proof them wrong, Well about the issue of Deut 18 show me where did the name of Jesus mention there. And also show me how Jesus fit in that category, Ahmed Deedat gave a better explanation how Jesus cannot fit in that category, But people like you will turn blind eyes to that and still prooving yourself wrong. Oma she oooo

Now your line is was the name of Jesus mentioned? What does Acts 3 say? Acts 3 puts Jesus as that Prophet. Matthew 21 and John 6 also put Jesus Christ as that Prophet. The evidence is indisputable but you guys refuse blindly to accept it.

If you are struggling with English, I suggest you use Yoruba Bible and I sincerely mean no insult by this statement. But using your own logic, where did the name of mohammed come up here? One level of reasoning for koran and another level of reasoning for the Bible. Boy I tire for these muslims.

Sadly Ahmed Deedat is long gone so he cannot defend his name but the apologists that are still around using the same circular reasoning HAVE BEEN EXPOSED time and time again.

Bashy-Demy, you've come to this thread to say the same things we've been discussing in the other thread. Nothing changes, you need to give up looking for Mohammed in the bible. You will never find him. I understand your prophet asked you to ask the people of the book what was revealed before but he isn't in the bible.

If so there is no case for your prophet and you need to seek the truth in the word of God, The Bible and get to know the man behind the book. Not as you've always seen him as a.mere prophet but as the begotten Son of God who died for your sins, "That Prophet" you've been searching for in Deutoronomy 18.

Good night and God bless. The choice is entirely yours.

She is looked for Mohammed eons of years before mohammed was born? How does that work? Please think about it for one minute at least. Because this is clearly not prophesy or looking to something which will happen in the future.

Bashy_Demy, you still have not rebutted my last post. I'm still waiting.

Uplawal I am surprised to see what lengths you will go to add this mohammed to the bible. Even trying to mix german and hebrew! Lets for the sake of argument MAHAMMADIM in the Song of Solomon mentioned mohammed, how is it related to your prophet? She does not know where her beloved is and she is looking for him so what? Is this a prophesy for mohammed??

SONG OF SOLOMON!!! Haba!!! So for the sake of translation, the beloved in english, geliebter in german is now mohammed?

You guys are sinking lower and lower.

You still have not rebutted Deut 18 and John 1. I'm waiting and please do not change the topic. If you do not have a rebuttal for Deut 18 and John 1, SOS 5:16 is obviously a shallow attempt for your prophet to creep into the bible.

Some refer chapter 5:16, of the Song of Songs, to Muhammad, simply because in the Hebrew the word mahamaddim, "delights," "delightfulnesses," occurs there, and is derived from the same root

But we find that the word in Hebrew is a common noun, and not a proper noun (i.e. not a name), as the use of the plural here shows. The same word occurs again as a common noun in Hosea 9:6,16; 1 Kings 20:6; Lamentations 1:10,11; 2:4; Isaiah 64:10; 2 Chronicles 36:19; Ezekiel 24:16,21,25. In the last passage (Ezekiel 24:16, "the desire of thine eyes" it is applied to a woman, Ezekiel's wife (compare verse 18), and to the sons and daughters of the idolatrous Jews (verse 25). It would be just as wise to apply the word to Muhammad HERE as in the Song of Songs.

Uplawal and Bashy-Demy, Jews also bow their heads to the ground so this is not a way of worship that is peculiar to muslims. The Jews started it eons of years before the muslims copied it.

So all your bible passages just confirm that the Jews did it in the day of old and still do it till today. As Christians though like I mentioned, since we are not Jews and we have another covenant. If a Christian so desires he can bow face down and worship and pray or lift his hands up or raise his head up,

Freedom! Our prayers are still answered not following ritualistic ways of praying.

BashyDemy, you ask who was Deut 18 talking about? Who do you think? Jesus Christ of course. Acts 3:22-24 also refers to Deut 18. I suggest you read Acts 3. The disciples could never have referred to Mohammed and even a child could figure this out,

In the new testament He mentioned that He and the Father are one. But I am sure you will say but He was not the Prophet in the book of John because John the Baptist said he wasn't the prophet in John 1. You will say they asked after Elias, Messiah or The Prophet.

This is also one of your other arguments

The same book of John you wanted to spin for the Prophet, in chapter 6, the crowds realised that Jesus was that Prophet. Matthew 21 confirms it. I wait for another example

So please guys, the PROPHET is not Mohammed.

Uplawal, the practices that are contained in the bible that you liken to muslim worship makes not an iota of difference, perhaps the Orthodox Jews still do this, I am not aware of their way of worship and I will research this, but as Christians, we have a new covenant. I can bet bottom dollar that the Jews most likely worship this way if so, does this mean it is a muslim way of worship?

The truth still remains that Mohammed is NOT that prophet either in the OLD or NEW testament.

@Bashy-demy, I will agree with you because it is in the bible that they bowed their heads lifted their hands. But the question is when they did this who were they worshiping? The passage said the LORD their God. No problem with that. This happened eons of years before Islam came on the scene.

What has that got to do with Islam? If muslims also bow down before their god, that is also OK for them. The question is Deut 18 does not in any way refer to Mohammed. The evidence is so overwhelming but you guys refuse to admit it.

Lagosshia mentioned that Jesus was talking about people like yourselves who today make use of drums and dance like the pagans in worship. So muslims do not use drums and dance in their worship? How about YOMBAS and ANJINA (forgive the spelling if I got wrong) singing and dancing with drums on TV singing to Mohammed ( Ejo ijo Anabi?)

Lagosshia,

Please lets be civil here. I have never insulted you so you shouldn't call me a fool. The passage we are discussing is from your own book in chapter 53. You can try and remove yourself from the discussion which is not an issue for me.

God forbid I teach you the quran because i am not versed in it and i only read it for reference in such a discussion. I don't need to pray before I read it because it is supposed to be easy to understand for the common man.

Please, once again no insults. If the truth is not obvious enough to you, that is also fine, there's no harm done.

Lagosshia after reading this translation from this website and the commentary (http://www.quranenglish.com/tafheem_quran/053.htm) Even the narrators are not sure who the one awesome in power is (Gabriel or Allah). They leaned on gabriel as the one who was all mighty and powerful (another fallacy on their part) but accepted in this regard to be the one who reveals.

I stand to be corrected, Does Mohammed know God face to face, does he interact with God mouth to mouth?

Even you Lagosshia were not happy with him quoting the surah 53 and stopping at verse 10. You said if he read all the way to verse 18 you will get a better picture.

I will also say that using Deut 18, start from verse 15 all the way to the end to get the exact picture of that prophesy. Would you do that for me?

Kind Regards

And they claim the quran is so easy to understand because of the way it is written. @LagosShia, you even twist your own quran.

I wait for the next trick in your arsenal.

I have said this before, join the winning side. If Ahmed Deedat is your ticket to convince yourselves and others that Mohammed was prophesied in the bible, you my friend are in trouble.

I would love to write an essay but even i wouldn't read it :-)

I read your post and it was full of lies and deliberate spinning, it is low.

I am glad that your Ahmed Deedat called us people of the book. Your quran said your prophet should ask the people of the book if he had any doubt of what was revealed to him. Firstly, is there any prophet in the bible who needed to be assured about the revelation given to them?

Now going to Deut 18:18, the problem with you guys is that you only always pick verse 15 and jump to verse 18 without looking at the verses in that context, from the context a child can tell the prophet who was to be like Moses is not Mohammed. Boy that Ahmed Deedat sure is a liar! Bearing in mind that the LORD was addressing the people of Israel in the wilderness. Their brothers/brethren (12 tribes of Israel) how is an Ishmaelite going to be that prophet? Read from verse 1 about the Levites inheritance from their brothers.

15 "The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers—it is to him you shall listen— 16just as you desired of the LORD your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly, when you said, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God or see this great fire any more, lest I die.' 17And the LORD said to me, 'They are right in what they have spoken. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 19 And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him. 20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or[f] who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.' 21And if you say in your heart, 'How may we know the word that the LORD has not spoken?'— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.

Did your prophet know the Lord face to face? Deut 34:10 says 10And there has not arisen a prophet since in Israel like Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face, Another reason why Mohammed is not like Moses

Also Numbers 12:5-8 says 5And the LORD came down in a pillar of cloud and stood at the entrance of the tent and called Aaron and Miriam, and they both came forward. 6And he said, "Hear my words: If there is a prophet among you, I the LORD make myself known to him in a vision; I speak with him in a dream. 7Not so with my servant Moses. He is faithful in all my house. 8With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in riddles, and he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?" Can you see another glaring example why Mohammed is not that prophet. I thought Angel Jibril always brought the revelations to Mohammed, he never spoke to God face to face. Please prove me wrong in your quran.

But if you go to Acts 3:22-24, Apostle Peter referred to the same Deut 18:15 till the end. So my brother, Ahmed Deedat's argument does not hold water for Deut 18.

I know this has been discussed here before time and time again, if you guys have a new revelation or prophesy to bring forward lets see it.

I will address John 1 in a bit.

They are not prophets. King David, King Solomon. When they were kings though, they had prophets around them. Samuel and Nathan for example. Sorry I have not read the post properly to comment in detail. In Koran, what was Prophet Daud's message? What was prophet Suleiman's message?

But Bashy Demy, lets not get side tracked from the topic of the prophet that Moses spoke being Mohammed. We know it isn't. Trying to add or subtract or spin into something else doesnt detract from the fact that he isn't.

Kind Regards

My question goes thus:al-qur'an was written in its simplicity so dat a common man will read and understand the message,why is it dat u need some holy people 2 explain d meanings of messages in the bilble(e.g i came across a thread dat dere was a verse in d bible were jesus said:i've come 2 u wit the sword and i've not bring 2 u peace.during d argument a christian fellow said jesus  referred 2 d sword of truth not for killing)how do i know u're not interpreting 2 suit your own frame of mind?why is dere diversification in your religion,in islam,all muslims in d whole word worship in d same way which profess its unity?

Madam Ruka, the-seeker, looking at your above post, you and I both know that is false, you walked right into that one!. The same people who go around maiming and killing people in the name of allah/islam also read the same quran that is supposed to be easy to understand even for a common man. If these people understood what they read and went along and killed for allah/slam, imagine the carnage that will happen if all muslims actually understood the arabic in which it is written.

And please do not give me the drivel that those people interpreted it wrong because according to your admission it is so easy to understand! Or they are political stooges or what not. Or the usual drivel of it being a religion of peace.

Isn't that cannibalism? Oh sorry, that is one of your transsubstantiation doctrines theories,

@Lagosshia, what truth is in Islam?

All lies that are supposed truths have been EXPOSED! The funny thing is that, not one of your "scholars" have been able to refute the exposes. Your Zakir Naik said they wouldn't allow churches to be built in muslim countries Islam is already the "truth". If Islam is so sure it is the truth, why is it so unsure of allowing churches to be built in muslim countries.

Be careful of saying that Mohammed was prophesied in Deut 18 because that prophet has a lot to live up to. My question once again is did your prophet live up to the standard expected of that prophet?

CLEARLY NOT!

@LagosShia, yes the "truth has set me free". Thank God for Jesus. Do you know the feeling when you know that you know that you know?