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is the book of revelation not made up of fantasies? let us see what academics and intellectuals have said about the book of revelation itself:

Thomas Jefferson :"merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams."

Friedrich Engels :"primarily a political and anti-Roman work"

George Bernard Shaw :"a peculiar record of the visions of a drug addict"     

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation#Criticism

Lagosshia, our resident chameleon, wikipedia agrees with you when it comes to bible bashing but not not quran bashing   

Rev 2: 8-11
8"And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write: `These things saith the First and the Last, who was dead and is alive:
9I know thy works and tribulation and poverty (but thou art rich), and I know the blasphemy of them that say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
10Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer. Behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried, and ye shall have tribulation ten days. Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of Life.
11He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. He that overcometh shall not be hurt by the second death.'

Just do a search of the Smyrna massacare in the hands of the Turkish muslims (Kemal Ataturk). Holocaust denial you will be sent to prison, Smyrna confession you will be sent to prison

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16695133

The land mark event of Muhammad [as] was the Invitation of God to him as he was transported from Makka to Jerusalem where he took leadership of all prophets. Then from Jerusalem to Heavens, and beyond where he received the exact numbers of daily salah and their rakah, at the same time receiving the last 4 verses of Chapter 2.

A murderer and adulterer invited to the presence of God. Why was Adam kicked out of paradise? Please tell me Mohammed was righteous to be invited to God's presence!  Please give me one reason why he was qualified to be leader of all the prophets?

Even after supposedly going to meet allah, he still came back and killed and r.aped and plundered, and he was supposed to have been in "god's presence. Because obviously it must have been before the jewish woman cooked meat for him after he killed her family.

Meanwhile prophet Jesus with his miraculous birth and mighty works is not the leader of all prophets? The same prophet who you say was not crucified but god assumed him unto himself is not higher in importance than mohammed. The same prophet who even in your book there was no sin accounted to his name!


What bugs me is this, if you deny the deity of Jesus Christ, you should give me something better than He offers. With stories and fables like you have just delivered above, even a child can tell this is silliness.

And how am I mixing the journey It says so on the narration with the verse. I gave the narration and link to the verse. Any person that reads this will get what the narrator is talking about. Are you now the narrator to disprove what he wrote. We are all educated people here, At least I hope we all are,

One night the Angel Jibril transported the Holy Prophet on al-Buraq from Masjid-i-Haram to Masjid-i-Aqsa (the Temple). There the Holy Prophet offered his prayers along with the other Prophets. Then he took him towards the higher spheres, where he met some of the great Prophets in different spheres. At last he reached the Highest Place in the Heavens, and was received in audience by AIlah.

If he was received in audience by allah, he must have seen him now abi how do you compute that. He cannot go all the way through all the heavens to get to allah audience and not see him!!! And the mosque in Jerusalem was not built when only he and the donkey flew in the night ooooo

I Have been to other Islamic websites and they are at a loss on how to explain this. The lies and twisting will always find you out, Now these scholars are some men, hahaha, when they agree with you concerning Jesus Christ not being the Son of God/God then they are muslim scholars. ,

(17:1) Glory be to Him, Who transported His Servant one night from the Masjid-i-Haram to the distant Temple, whose surroundings We have blessed, so that we might show him some of Our Sings: *1 the fact is that He alone is All-Hearing and All-Seeing.
*1 The event referred to in this verse is known "Mi`raj" and "Isra"'. According to authentic traditions, this took place a year before Hijrah. In the traditional and biographical literature, its details have been related by a large number (25) of the Companions. Anas bin Malik, Malik bin Sa`asa`ah, Abuzar Ghifari, and Abu Hurairah (Allah be pleased with them all) have related details of the event. Besides them, `Umar, `Ali, `Abdullah bin Mas`ud, (Allah be pleased with them) have also related some parts of this event.
In this verse, the Qur'an mentions only a part of the Journey, i.e., from Masjid-i-Haram to the Temple at Jerusalem. The object of this journey as stated here was that Allah willed to show His aervant some of His signs. The Qur'an does not give any details other than this but we find further details in the traditions, which are to this effect:
One night the Angel Jibril transported the Holy Prophet on al-Buraq from Masjid-i-Haram to Masjid-i-Aqsa (the Temple). There the Holy Prophet offered his prayers along with the other Prophets. Then he took him towards the higher spheres, where he met some of the great Prophets in different spheres. At last he reached the Highest Place in the Heavens, and was received in audience by AIlah. It was there that besides other important instructions five daily Prayers were prescribed. Then he returned to the Temple and from there came back to Masjid-iHaram. During this Journey, according to many traditions, Paradise and Hell were shown to him. We also learn from authentic traditions that on the following day when he mentioned this event, the disbelievers of Makkah scoffed at him, and some of the Muslims also were sceptical about this.
The above additional details based on the traditions cannot be said to be against the Qur'an, for these are additions to the details given in the Qur'an; therefore, the details related in the traditions cannot be. rejected on the plea that they are against the Qur'an. Nevertheless, if one rejects any part of those details which are given in the traditions, one cannot be declared a renegade. On the other hand, if one rejects the details given in the Qur'an, one does become a renegade.
There are different versions of this Journey. Some say that this happened in a dream, while others are of the opinion that the Holy Prophet was fully awake and went on the Journey with his own physical body; some others say that it was merely a mystic vision which was shown to him. The opening words of this verse: "Glory be to Him, who transported His Servant. . . . ,  " however, clearly show that it was a super-natural event which was brought about by the unlimited power of Allah. It is quite obvious that if the event had been merely a mystic vision, it would not have been introduced by the words which imply that the Being Who brought about this event is free from each and every kind of weakness and defect. Again the words "transported His servant one night" also show that this was not a dream or a vision but a physical journey in which Allah arranged that the Holy Prophet should make observation of His Signs with his physical eyes. Therefore, one is bound to admit that this was not a mere spiritual experience but a physical journey and visual observation which AIIah arranged for His Prophet.
It is strange that some people are of the opinion that this extraordinary journey could not be possible, but now when man with his limited-very limitedpower has been able to reach the moon, it is absurd to deny that Allah with His limitless powers could enable His Messenger to make this journey in the extraordinary short time it took.
Above all, the question whether a thing is possible or not, can arise only in the `case of human beings whose powers are after all limited, but such questions cannot be raised where the AlI-Powerful Allah is concerned. Only such a person who does not believe that Allah is able to do everything can raise objections against this wonderful Journey about which AIIah Himself says that He transported His Servant one night from Masjid-i-Haram to Masjid-i-Aqsa. Likewise all the objections raised against the various details which are given in the traditions are frivolous, except two, which are plausible:
First, if we accept these details, then we shall have to admit drat AIIah is confined to a certain place: otherwise there was no need that His Servant should be transported for this purpose to a certain place. Secondly, according to traditions, the Holy Prophet was enabled to observe Paradise and Hell where he saw some people suffering from torment. The objcction is: why should sane people be awarded punishments or rewards before the Final Judgement after Resurrection?
As regards the first objcction, it is true that Allah is Infinite by Himself, but in dealing with His creation, He employs those means which suit His imperfect creation not because of any limitation of His, but because of the limitations of His creation. For instance, when He speaks to any of His creature, He adopts the same limited mode of conversation as the addressee can understand, though He has limitless modes of speech. Likewise, when He desires to show some of the wonderful Signs of His Kingdom to a servant. He transports him to the place where the' Signs are to be shown. It is obvious that the servant cannot see at one and the same time the whole of the universe as Allah dces, for AIlah has no need to go to any place at all for this purpose but the servant has. The same applies to the appearance of the servant before the Creator. Though AIIah is not confined to any locality, it is necessary for the servant to go to the place where His manifestations have been concentrated for his observation because it is not possible for the servant with his limited powers to go in His Presence in His Infinite Capacity.
As regards the second objection, it is based on the lack of understanding the thing: many of the Signs which were shown to the Holy Prophet were symbolical. For instance, a small hole from which a fat ox came out but could not go back into it, represented mischief personified. In the same way the adulterers were shown as if they had fresh meat before them but instead of that they were eating rotten flesh. Similarly punishments for evil deeds shown to him were only symbolic observations of the punishments in the Hereafter so that he might see in advance the things which would take place in the Hereafter.
In regard to the Mi `raj it should be kept in view that aII the Prophets were enabled by AIlah to see His Signs in the heavens and the earth according to their ranks. And for this purpose all the material curtains were lifted so that they could see with their Unclad eyes the unseen realities, to which they were required to invite the people.
This was done so that the Prophets could say with full conviction what they had seen with their own eyes. For this experience would distinguish there from a philosopher who bases all his theories on guess-work and cannot say that he bears witness to what he claims. In contrast to philosophers, Prophets could say that they bore witness to the things which they presented because they had seen them with their own eyes.

http://www.quranenglish.com/tafheem_quran/017.htm

Did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) see Allah (swt)in his true form with the Unclad eye? 
Answer:

Most of the ahl al sunnah ulama (scholars that follow the path of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)) agree that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) saw Allah (swt) in Miraj. However, they say that it is not possible to fully comprehend the exact essence and concept of seeing Allah (swt).  So, we cannot exactly know how, in which way it happened. We are just sure that it did happen.
The only person who saw Allah (swt) is the Beloved Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
The person who has approached Allah the most is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who has been bestowed the great miracle; Miraj. While in the miraj (ascending) he (pbuh) saw Allah (swt) in the akhirah with his (worldly) eyes.
It is an absolute and doubtless truth that the beloved Messenger (pbuh) saw Allah Almighty that night. Even if some of the earlier Muslim scholars have said the contrary, the scholars of later eras such as Imam Ash’ari, Abd al-Qadir Jilani, Imam Rabbani, Taftazaani, Mawlana Khalid Baghdadi, Imam Nawawi, who are the seniors of the Ahl al-Sunnah, are unanimous that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) saw Allah (SWT). Nawawi said the following: “According to most of the scholars, the Prophet (pbuh) saw his Lord.
http://askaquestionto.us/question-answer/prophets/did-muhammad-see-allah-in-his-true-form-in-miraj

Such is GOD your Lord, there is no god except He, the Creator of all things. You shall worship Him alone. He is in control of all things. No visions can encompass Him, but He encompasses all visions. He is the Compassionate, the Cognizant. S. 6:102-103

It is not fitting for a man that God should speak to him EXCEPT by inspiration, or from behind a veil, or by the sending of a messenger to reveal, with God’s permission, what God wills: for He is Most High, Most Wise. S. 42:51

Are people expected to believe this, as especially this narration maintains the journey was physical and not spiritual because allah is all powerful and stuff. He is supposed to have seen allah face to face The Mosque wasn't built at the time of travel so what mosque did mo see? Why did he have to go through Jerusalem to paradise, why not straight from mecca (Holiest place in Islam)?
And you guys have the audacity to say bible is corrupt?

Confused soul? Nah, The more we debate the more I learn about Islam and its obvious falsehood. The more I read bible prophecy and see the ones that have come to pass and the ones that have not happened yet, the more I thank God for saving me.

If you guys have no prophecy except what some scholars predict then you are in trouble!

Psalm 83:4-8 is one of such passages. All the nations mentioned there are muslim nations, they want Israel off the map, it was so for a while but in one day all that changed. Jeremiah 16:14-16, Ezekiel 37:25 confirms that.

The disappearance of knowledge and the appearance of ignorance (Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, & Ahmad) Is this prophecy from the quran?

or this

Daniel 12:4 But you, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Has knowledge disappeared or has knowledge increased If knowledge has disappeared why are you on the Internet typing this?

Smog will appear over cities because of the evil that they are doing!!!! I thought smog was as a result of burning large amounts coal or fossil fuel!!

People will refuse when offerred food! huh
Wild animals will be able to talk to humans (rolls eyes)
Women will outnumber men, eventually 50:1 (Bukhari, Muslim, & Ahmad) Are we expecting men to die off like rats??
Women will conspire (at-Tabarani, al-Hakim) And do what? Is that a problem for you guys?

but do you know that even if we are to accept at face value for the sake of argument all the above points you mentioned to have taken place,they are still not enough to prove a scripture corrupted.if you think not,then convince us.

And I am supposed to accept your explanation and let it rest> Is this the best reply you can muster?

I was going to pass on Lagosshia's comments but when I saw uncorrupted scripture I just had to bite again,

Is it the memorized ones?
The ones written on camels?
The ones the were burnt when the compilation was taking place?
Or the ones that died with those who memorized them that could not be written down?

Which is the uncorrupted one?

@Lagosshia,

If you are also smart you will see that you will be condemned if you do not heed to Jesus words


John 12:47-48
"As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a Judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day."

@Lagosshia Jesus said explicity that He is the judge

John 5:22-30

22Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

24“I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life. 25I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. 27And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.

28“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. 30By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

2 Cor 5:10
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

JESUS EXPLICITLY SAYS HE IS NOT THE JUDGE:

John 12:47-48
"As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a Judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day."

The context is different. He spoke of the present situation. He said He came to save the world but at the end of time He will judge the same world He came to save.

Verse 23 23that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him. is for a different thread. But see how it ties in to 1 John 2:22-23 22Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

The lies of the quran and Lagosshia are just unbelievable. I will use the same Romans of Paul that you do no like but quotes when its convenient for you.

The same Romans 14 you quoted from verse 9

9[b]For to this end Christ both died, and arose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.[/b]
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? Or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11For it is written: "`As I live,' saith the Lord, `every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess to God.'"
12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

You think you can quote out of context and run away.

So my brother, CHRIST will be the judge. If only you would read before quoting, if only.

Lagosshia, before Jesus dies?

Jesus would be a "sign of the hour": Holy Quran 43:61 "He [Jesus] is a Sign of the Hour. Have no doubt about it. But follow me. This is a straight path".

Jews will accept and believe in Jesus: Holy Quran 4:159 "There is not one of the People of the Book who will not believe in him before he (Jesus) dies; and on the Day of Resurrection he [Jesus] will be a witness against them".

Jesus dies?? How can He die and later testify against people? Why not Mo, I thought he was the seal of the prophets. You guys deny His divinity and yet He will testify at the end of time. How? Why? What is the reason for this?

Prophecies not predictions please,

What is the truth? Is it that you guys place your redemption in the hands of a stone? A stone that everyone knows has no life in it. A stone that was apparently turned from white to black because it supposed took and still takes away sins.

ileobatojo, actually their god exists in the shrine (kaaba), their redeemer is a stone! This is not news. At some point it will have a mouth and eyes and speak to testify for those who touched it, Is that not idolatry?

Thank God for Jesus.

The problem with this guy is that he thinks he is smart. Quoting the verses he likes and ignores the ones he doesn't like.

The disciples that say he's a man in what you quoted (suddenly the part of the bible is not corrupt)

he did refer to himself as a prophet:

Mark 6:4
But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.
his disciples knew he was just a man:

Acts 2:22
Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

But in the same gospel according to Mark that you quoted in verse 8:
27And Jesus went on with His disciples to the villages of Caesarea Philippi; and on the way He asked His disciples, Who do people say that I am?
28And they answered [Him], John the Baptist; and others [say], Elijah; but others, one of the prophets.
29[b]And He asked them, But who do you yourselves say that I am? Peter replied to Him, You are the Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One).[/b]

One of the same disciples who said He was just a man said called Him the Christ

Matthew 16:16 says And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

John 10:17-18
17For this [reason] the Father loves Me, because I lay down My [own] life--to take it back again.
18No one takes it away from Me. On the contrary, I lay it down voluntarily. [I put it from Myself.] I am authorized and have power to lay it down (to resign it) and I am authorized and have power to take it back again. These are the instructions (orders) which I have received [as My charge] from My Father.

This is not a claim. Jesus is God.

Hehehehe, I laugh in arabic.

You fail to see what is before you and you go and bring words from "websites". This smacks of desperation on your part. Prove to me that the Jews were not expecting a messiah and you go and bring me website.

You give me bible passages to show that the Jews were not expecting the Messiah.

The question has been answered but you refuse to accept the answer. That ultimately is your issue not mine.

There is no defeat here, only lack of reasoning is defeat. Jesus did not need to say those things because the children of Israel expected a messiah like you guys often argue in the book of John 1

19And this is the testimony of John when the Jews sent priests and Levites to him from Jerusalem to ask him, Who are you? The Jews were waiting for that Messiah, Prophet that they sent the priests and levites to ask John the Baptist

    20He confessed (admitted the truth) and did not try to conceal it, but acknowledged, I am not the Christ!

    21They asked him, What then? Are you Elijah? And he said, I am not! Are you the Prophet? And he answered, No! see verse 20-21, that prophet in Deut 18:18, see that, not a prophet but The Prophet

    22Then they said to him, Who are you? Tell us, so that we may give an answer to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself? Who sent them?

    23He said, I am the voice of one crying aloud in the wilderness [the voice of one shouting in the desert], Prepare the way of the Lord [level, straighten out, the path of the Lord], as the prophet Isaiah said. Prophecy from the Old Testament (they knew He was coming)

    24The messengers had been sent from the Pharisees. Even the Pharisees were expecting the "Messiah"

    25And they asked him, Why then are you baptizing if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?

    26John answered them, I [only] baptize [g]in (with) water. Among you there stands One Whom you do not recognize and with Whom you are not acquainted and of Whom you know nothing.

    27It is He Who, coming after me, is preferred before me, the string of Whose sandal I am not worthy to unloose.

    28These things occurred in Bethany (Bethabara) across the Jordan [[h]at the Jordan crossing], where John was then baptizing.

    29The next day John saw Jesus coming to him and said, Look! There is the Lamb of God, Who takes away the sin of the world!

    30This is He of Whom I said, After me comes a Man Who has priority over me [Who takes rank above me] because He was before me and existed before I did.

There is no defeat, nor argument here. The people were expecting a Messiah, a Prophet. He did not need to "force" people to recognise and worship Him like your god revealed to his prophet.

Mohammed was the first muslim who declared allah to be god or who got revelation. (True or false?) The people around him did not know this and refuse to believe him.

If anything the quran is struggling here. The burden is on you to prove to me that the Israelites were not expecting Christ to come and as a result He needed to make it known to them that He is to be worshipped.

Actually now looking at the passage you gave

Surah 21:92
"Indeed this, your religion, is one religion, and I (Allah) am your Lord, so worship Me".

Why did allah need to emphasize that the religion is one? Me thinks this is when he got rid of all the idols (300 or 360 depending on who you listen to) in the kabba and chose just one to be worshipped. Think about it some.

Lagosshia and his followers who think without a valid verse answering those 2 question they will not embrace Christianity. Like tpia already said, the statement is a bait but since God doesn't want the death of sinners but that all should come to repentance i will continue.

From the little search I have done, I do not see such verses. You can quote me as saying that. But why is there not such a verse or verses?  Such verses are not required because the Israelites were already expecting a "Messiah".

From the prophecies in the old testament

1. Our famous Deut 18:18
2. Isaiah 9:6
3. Isaiah 7:14
4. Zechariah 9:9

The children of Israel were clearly anxiously awaiting a messiah and Jesus Christ did not need to "introduce" himself and say worship me. But when He was there with them, they marvelled at the works of His hands from the questions below.

The Israelites questioned Jesus:

"Who is this?" Matt 21:10
"By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority?"  Matt 21:23
"Art thou HE THAT SHOULD COME? or look we for another?" Luke 7:19
"Art thou the Christ?" Luke 22:67.  
"Is not this the Christ?" John 4:29
"Whom makest thou thyself?" John 8:53.  
"How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly" John 10:24.  
"Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? John 1:22  
"And the men marveled, saying, What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him?" Matt 8:27.
“And when he was come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, Who is this?”  Matt 21:10

From all the History of Islam we have read, the people were not expecting a prophet. Even he did not believe he was a prophet at first. His wife reassured him that his revelations were true (this is well documented). They did not know what to worship as we clearly see that this is the reason these "revelations" of the verses were necessary

Holy Quran 21:92
"Indeed this, your religion, is one religion, and I (Allah) am your Lord, so worship Me".
Holy Quran 5:3
"This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion.

Very true that.

Hutchie forgive me not understanding your post properly but I also need to add that. Yes antichrist is enemy of Christ or puts himself above Christ. You are aware that in Islam, Jesus Christ is not God or Son of God but a mere prophet. Mohammed was more important than Jesus, infact he is described as the seal of the prophets, a mercy to mankind. All of these are not lies against Islam.

But is mohammed a spirit though that would be with us forever? Mohammed died 632 AD. One of your brothers could not defend it and called the quran. Which should i believe?

@Hutchie, you failed to read the book of 1 John 2 all the way to the end of the context. Verse 22 said and I quote

22Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

You see all the false religions that deny the Son, can and are classified as antichrist. I am sure you follow this board properly and you can see what our brothers reveal from their book.

Many in Christendom have drawn the conclusion that Islam or the Quran is the 666. But this does not stand up to Biblical test (and I am not here to defend Islam either). One of the things I have come to learn is that it is anti-Islam for a man to claim to be God - this is perhaps one of the reasons why they deny the Sonship of Jesus claiming instead that He is merely a prophet. But putting that aside lets look at what 2 Thess 4 says:

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The above passage you quoted sums it up exactly. Who is the person that exalts himself above God, that demanded for Jesus Christ to worship him, that always says he is God but in actual fact he is not?

Atleast use some common-sense, to ask why Jesus said he had to leave before the comforter would come, and the Muhammad pbuh teachings abides forever, you are such a joke, Jesus could not save himself from death, first he prayed, then he cried, then he asked for swords, then he told his diciples to watch, then his diciples slept, then he ws arrested, indicating he could even save himself from arrest, then he was judged, then he was beaten black and brown, then he was given a cross to carry, then he was made to accuse God of forsaking him, I say indeed one must agree with: this post indeed:

The issue with your drivel is that if these things that happened to Jesus were not prophesied by Him and the prophets of old, I just might want to take you seriously. What part of prophecy do you not understand? All of these were prophesied and they happened!

Do you know another prophecy in the Bible? May 14 1948! (Ezekiel 37:21, Jeremiah 16:14-15, Isaiah 11:12). Look at the world map before and after

What you don't get is that nobody clicks on these links. It's like you have stored somewhere ready for any new post.

@Lagosshia, you guys often go on and on about Apostle Paul being anti-christ. The question is, did Paul preach anything different? Paul message was the gospel of Christ. In Philippians 3:10, he said "that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His suffering being conformable unto death.

How can such a person be an antichrist?

These guys will always defend the indefensible. They will keep lying through their teeth, Lying is a sin mind you.

I read about Umm Qirfa today and I was disgusted with what the prophet's followers did to her

God bless you my brother for this piece.

@Lagoshia and Sweetnecta,

Matthew 10:14
And whoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when you depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.

Have a good evening.