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@mrpataki,

mrpataki:
After reading the article given in the link as quoted above, I realised it would be foolishness on my part to further engage you on this subject.

mrpataki:
I will no longer take it on me to engage you in a discourse.

Indeed, you have proven yourself to be very foolish, based on your post.

mrpataki:
You are so inclined to your discursive tactics without having a principal point to hang on to. I have clearly asked questions that bothers on where my stand on this issues lies, you prefer to prevaricate that and rant your usual bollocks that holds no correlation to the subject matter.

Oh my!  You clearly evaded the visible points I presented to counter yours, and now turned around to accuse me of the very thing you are clearly guilty of.   Without mincing words, I must say that you are very pathetic.

mrpataki:
After reading your jargons again, I strongly affirm that you are indeed oblivious to what true christianity is all about.

It's either you're blind, or you're stupid - most likely the latter.  Again, my concern here is not about what true Christianity is or is not.  And please, don't even try to pretend like you're a "true Christian".  Your posts on this forum clearly show that you're not, no matter how hard you try to prove otherwise.

mrpataki:
Revelations 3:16 -So because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

Dude, you seem to think that by quoting some random Bible verses, you'll score some brownie points.  I dislike bible-thumping hypocrites like you!

mrpataki:
Interesting, you are neither for the topic nor against it, so why speak with much aggression and frustration to me, seeing that I am against it? Keep fooling yourself, thinking you sound intellectual.

Again, you showcase your stupidity here.  It seems you're having a hard time understanding what it means to be "OBJECTIVE".

mrpataki:
Parting Message to you for the Year: Get a direction for your life. Stop being a follower all year round! I have noted this fact from your numbers of posts on this forum.

Parting message: Always endeavour to at least make a little sense when making posts.  In a situation where you have nothing reasonable to contribute, SHUT THE HELL UP!  You know what they say - "It's better to keep quiet and appear stupid, than to open your mouth and prove it."

mrpataki:
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

Shame Same to you.

Before I proceed, let me state that I am neither for, nor against the auditorium.  I'm just trying to be as objective as possible.

@mrpataki,

mrpataki:
@ Purist,
After reading the article given in the link as quoted above, I realised it would be foolishness on my part to further engage you on this subject. As you are totally oblivious of what christianity throughly entails.

You're such an ass.  I am not here to debate what Christianity is, or is not.  Mind you, I agree with virtually all the writer said in that article.  I only countered the manner in which you presented your points.  So far, yours and many others' have been, "The building is unnecessary", "The money is too much", etc, without giving any cogent reasons for why it should or should not be so.  I'm only trying to bring in a balance into the whole discourse, as it appears that many of you are only arguing based on your own sentiments, while bringing in inappliable biblical verses to try and justify your bitterness towards the MOG (not a good Christian attribute, if you ask me).

mrpataki:
When Jesus preached on the mount to 5000 men, his work was not to seek for those who will build Him an auditorium worth billions of naira. His work was to reconcile the heart of men back to God.

Speaking from a Christian point of view, it's only considerate and wise of Pastor Adeboye to have thought of building an auditorium that would accomodate that kind of a crowd, in order to do that which you supposedly seek - reconciling their hearts to God.  The fact that Jesus preached to 5000 people and did not do so in an auditorium does not mean that it is wrong for anyone else to do the same.  This is not to say that Jesus isn't wise or inconsiderate - far from it.  Perhaps, if we study carefully the circumstances surrounding such activities then (probably lack of funds, environment, etc) it will be understandable why Jesus didn't not build an auditorium.  It is important to note as well that Jesus was more of a "nomadic" preacher during his days, and as such, this comparism is incongruous.

mrpataki:
Winners today, make boast to say, they have the biggest auditorium with no single pillar inside acting as support!What an excellent engineering piece that is! I wonder how many souls have gotten saved from such constant message. 

mrpataki, have you carried out any survey to know how many souls have, or have not been saved in the church?

mrpataki:
Redeem today will tell you, we built an auditorium worth billions of naira, does such message reconcile the heart of men back to God? Does it enhance the image of Nigeria to her fellow nations as being a nation free from corruption and bribery?

No, Redeem will NOT tell you that they built an auditorium worth billions of naira.  This is a very dangerous presumption of the supposed message of the church to the people, as you are gradually succeeding in "calumnizing" the church - something I really do not imagine Jesus would ever do, especially when such calumny is deeply rooted in subjectivity.

mrpataki:
Our leaders waste money on the vanities of life (constructing national stadium in Abuja while the one in Surulere is deteriorating), creating a little London in Abuja (sign of inferiority complex), while its citizenry suffer in abject poverty and lack of social amenities. It is a shame that even the church has engaged in such too. My question is: Why must each church have its own large capacity auditorium?

Those things you call "vanities of life" have positively transformed the lives of many already (job creation and opportunities).  The fact that there are so many others that are still living in penury does not render the existence of these structures irrelevant.  As for your question, perhaps, a review of debosky's post and runsaway's should do.

mrpataki:
Europe today has some of the best designs of cathedrals in the world, built by those who had a ''passion'' for God many years back, but alas, today most of them have turned to museums and archealogical masterpiece where tourist travel from all over the world to take pictures. From Germany to Belgium to France to Netherlands to UK. All over.

If only they had realised that God no longer dwells in temple nor the billionaire auditorium, or the largest auditorium without a pillar, that humans construct but rather he seeks for the heart of men and women to dwell in, we would continue to argue back and forth on this issue.

I really don't understand you, mrpataki.  Your argument is very inconsistent, and very incoherent.  What exactly is your problem?  The fact that they built a large auditorium, or the cost of the auditorium?  mrpataki, do you worship in a church building? I mean, do you actually go into an edifice on service days to "worship God"?  Please do not evade these questions.

mrpataki:
I stand at the door and knock, if any man will open the door unto me, I will come in and dine with him.

Sanctimonious BULLSHIT.


Regards.

@mrpataki,

mrpataki:
@ Purist,
Make yourself sensible with your postings. The easiest way for you to do that is by learning to sit down and read. Your usual recourse to interjecting to threads without firmly grasping the issue is irritating.

I know that the only time you keep replying on sensible threads repeatedly is when you engage in that thing which interests you so much - exchanging words.

If you weren't psychotic, you'd realise that I had made some posts before now, and therefore, have a better understanding of the subject matter at hand than you, if we are to go by the nonsense you came up with yesterday.

Again, this would at least make some sense, if it were coming from a reasonable fellow. Follow your own advice mate, as it perfectly suits you, Mr. "Aspersions of Stupidity".

@Kobojunkie

Kobojunkie:
I understand how you want to apply it but the thing is the only problem with his post is that he misused the very verse. Does not mean that we can not do what Jesus did and should not do it as Jesus did it.

Mr. Kobojunkie, I DID NOT say Christians should not do as Jesus did or whatever.  That statement I made was in response to mrpataki's pattern of argument.  Keyword: CONTEXT.

Also, the misuse of the Bible verse is not the "only" problem with his post; another problem with his post is that he used a very grotesque analogy to buttress his point, which automatically renders his argument invalid.

His argument was, Jesus preached to the people in an open space, and "He did not think of building an auditorium to comfortably sit them in".  In other words, since Jesus never thought of building an auditorium for the people, then according to mrpataki, it is only wrong for Adeboye to build an auditorium for the people.  Do you agree with this, Kobojunkie?

Again, his other argument was, Jesus fed the people after preaching, but he hasn't seen any church doing that.  (Mind you, mrpataki, Jesus did this only once, so this argument of yours holds no water).

Now based on this reasoning of his, it's only "logical" to conclude that Christians (or followers of Jesus), as well, shouldn't use microphones and other things people use in Churches today, since Jesus Himself "never thought of using them".

Do you not see the folly of this reasoning, Kobojunkie?

@kobojunkie

I'm not debating the meaning of the word "Christian" now. The context in which I made that statement shouldn't be disregarded, please. Read again, if you care.

@mrpataki,

mrpataki:

Mr General Overseer of disappointment in the faith, do you have anything sensible to contribute to the topic or you rather prefer to throw your usual aspersions of stupidity over topics that need sensible contributions and knowledge?

Please stick to words you know. "Aspersions of stupidity" ?? Wow!

@mrpataki

mrpataki:
I only speak based on my understanding of the bible and the life Jesus lived.

This is not the point.  The point is that you misapplied a verse in the Bible wrongly.

mrpataki:
When Jesus had 5000 men with him on the mount, he fed them for free!. He did not think of building an auditorium to comfortably sit them in. There are already auditoriums across the nation which can be easily used for any religious activity. Rather each church wants its own share of I have the biggest auditorium in the country.

I have not seen where Christians are gathering here in Nigeria and they are all fed with food accordingly after the message. Most especially when they come in their thousands. Jesus understood the people were not hungry for an auditorium after speaking the words of the the Father but rather they wanted food. Many people will go to that auditorium with hunger in their stomach, only to go back home the more frustrated.

The rest of your post suggests that Christians should do EXACTLY as Jesus did while He was on earth (which is very hypocritical of you by the way).  So going by your argument, Christians should as well ride on donkeys (on very special occasions) and walk tens of kilometres on foot (on normal days), innit?

Besides, Jesus NEVER made use of microphones to preach to the people during his days.  I'm very sure he never made use of drumsets and other musical instruments either.  So going by your argument. . . I guess you know the rest.

In as much as I am not so much into this religion of a thing any longer, I love it when people are objective in their approach to issues, no matter who or what is involved. Unfortunately, many who declare themselves Christians here have proven themselves to be very big disappointments to that faith which they claim to represent.

@debosky, that was excellently delivered. Weldone bro.

This goat should be banned!

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?action=profile;u=146139

ndumart:
Rest In Peace

. . . in advance.

I saw this auditorium on TV again yesterday. . . It isn't bad at all.

I heard there's a state in Nigeria (Bayelsa, I think) where people bear names like General, Inspector, Colonel, etc.

For those who still don't get it, here are the recent exact words of Adeolu Akinyemi.

New Nigeria Club is our attempt at developing a system that will give Nigerians a better image at home and abroad. Contrary to popular beliefs, there are many value driven Nigerians, and the New Nigeria Club is a way of Nigeria and Nigerians showcasing to the world the best of Nigeria.

The main edge that New Nigeria Club has is that it actually creates visible value for it's members, starting from Nigeria. Based on the value created for our local members already, people can already make a savings equivalent to 300% of the club membership fee of $250. We however also have an optional board based rewards contest that helps make our members benefit from spreading the news about the club and sponsoring people. People can get to earn as much as $5800 regularly by marketing the club and sponsoring others.

The New Nigeria Club is not limited to just one industry, we find opportunities everywhere to create savings opportunities for our members in all available industries.

The New Nigeria Club is fully a Nigerian Initiative, all the concept development, content, programing and software development were done by home grown Nigerian talent, and all work together in the combination of Generis Solutions Nig. and Saggezza Consulting SA.

I am Adeolu Akinyemi, the moderator of www.deoluakinyemi.com, I lead the NNC with some very committed colleagues in Generis Solutions and some passionate Nigerian Leaders. I'm passionate about change in my Nation and continent, I'm a writer, speaker, trainer, coach and entrepreneur. Integrity, that's the value I want to be associated with; No shadows, everything done as if I'm on a stage full of lights.

Update: Gymnasium Deals (sent to my box)

One of the things we discovered our members will need is access to places where they can exercise and relax. Where they can swim, play tennis, and generally exercise. This search took us to some hotels and gymnasiums to get a discount for our members.

We were able to get a good offer for our members in Excellence hotel, Lagos Airport hotel and FitZone.  They were able to offer our club members, 30%, 20% and 10% respectively. Not only will this help us to keep in shape, it could also be an opportunity for some of us to meet informally, and who knows having club houses with Gym facilities around Nigeria shouldn’t be a bad idea for the future.

I’ll like to apologize to our members outside of Lagos, we have you in mind and it will become very easy to add a number of deals from all over the country as soon as we can get some mass.

Normal Offers
Excellence Hotel:  Single: N30,000 per annum,  Couple: N50,000 Family of 4: N55,000
Address: 1. Ogba, Ikeja
Address: 2. Allen Avenue, Ikeja

Lagos Airport Hotel: Single: N40,000 per annum
Address:1.  Obafemi Awolowo Way, Ikeja

FitZone: Single: N30,000
Address:1. Anthony Village, Lagos

Club member Offers
Excellence Hotel: Single: 21,000 per annum, Couple: N35,000 (Provided certain number of interested couples request) Family of 4: N38,500 (provided certain number of interested couples request)

Lagos Airport Hotel: Single: N32,000 per annum

Fitzone: Single: N27,000 per annum

Members should please go to their members’ areas and indicate which of opportunities they want to take advantage of ASAP. Remember, health is wealth.

Regards
NNC Deals Admin

To be a beneficiary, join the club.  Send a mail to newnigeriaclub@gmail.com if you're interested.

I recently came across some dude with the surname "LIVINGTESTIMONY".

What's this doing in the Politics section by the way?

It's true. I heard the same on Radio two nights ago.

One of the presidential aides was dazed with a resounding slap LIVE and DIRECT by the First Lady of Kenya, for addressing her as the second wife of Kenya's president.

@bolaoni,

I tried to be as civil as possible intially despite all the provocative words he directed at me, but this crazy dude kept pushing me, and kept mistaking my gentlemanliness for stupidity.  I know his type very well, and that was why I decided to give him a dose of his own medicine.  I'm not trying to exonerate myself anyway, I accept that I wasn't well behaved, I guess I got carried away last night.  I'll try as much as possible to ignore further gibberish from him on this thread henceforth.

Anyway, I'm glad we still have sensible people like you around;  there is still hope for Nigeria afterall.  Thanks for the advice, it's well appreciated.

Regards.

Liverpool can win Man Utd. . . but they won't.

LMAO!

I even heard Amunike was the one who scored the only goal for Nigeria, hence, we were declared the winner of the game.  They said the Indians turned the ball into stones, lions, elephants, etc. . . you know, stuffs that made the keeper run away from the goalpost, and they would then turn it back into a ball and roll it into the free net.   I heard it was when they turned the ball into a stone that our own guy smashed it into the net, because India's keeper didn't see the stone coming.

Till today, I still wonder who came up with this wonderfully fabricated story that spread across the whole of Nigeria.

Good ol' days!

Oops! What happened to the line you typed a few minutes ago?

I will no longer celebrate your ego with my response in respect to your profound stupidities.

Besides, what with you and the word "aggravate"? I can't recall how many times I've seen you use that word recently. Oh, I get it. . . it's a new word you just learnt.

And this is meant to be a joke?

Okay, I laugh!

mrpataki:
Congregation of intellectual retards. Stick to issues and stop attacking the person. Please I am not be blamed if you all suffer from intellectual complex or intellectual paralysis.

I will no longer celebrate your ego with my response in respect to your profound stupidities.

Intellectual retards?  Talk of OXYMORON, coming from a CONFIRMED slowpoke!

We should stick to issues?  See who is talking!  It's now that your ignorance has been exposed that you scream blue murder about being attacked?  It's now you know that people are meant to stick to issues when discussing on a public forum?  Someone should please save me from this clown!

mrpataki:
I noticed your topic has over 400 views!

So. . .??

mrpataki:
No thanks to my constantly replying your drivel here.

And. . .??

mrpataki:
Do you think you can match me in bandying words?

I see you're happy.  Thanks for proving me right.

mrpataki:
Count your days on this forum if you stick to attacking my person on this forum henceforth!

Oh pardon me, Mr. Born Again Christian, I'm so scared.

Dude, you seem to be so full of yourself, and the annoying part is that you ALWAYS think you're making sense, just when you're doing the exact opposite.

Bring it on! https://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/70.gif

@mrpataki

Assumption on baseless facts is the mother of foolishness in respect to your case.

Regards.

I can't believe you actually made this statement.  You just shot yourself in the foot, FOOL!

It's amazing how you keep spreading your ignorance and stupidity across this forum.  Olodo.

mrpataki:
Sorry oh, I was only helping you out with the link. I noticed that you reason with your nose rather than your brain.

Peanut

At least I've got a brain.  Yours is a very pathetic case, as you're completely brainless.

Mumu.

P. S. I know this is what you love doing best - bandying words!  I'm up to the task as well.

Lol. . . Dude, you didn't hit me anywhere. And how can I be a rogue when I also took money from my own pocket to join the club?

Anyway, I am not a peanut, I'm a human being, a good one at that.

If you're "the least bothered" about me speaking the truth about you, what's up with the link then? Why did you suddenly get interested in showing me another 'cyber-side' of you, if you weren't bothered in the first place? Besides, who cares about your so-called 'cyber-side'?

Olodo.

Interesting. . . care to enlighten us?

@nigeriaone,

No one is being forced to speak Yoruba, deliberations will be made in both Yoruba and English language - whichever one anyone feels comfortable with - just that Yoruba will be the official language of the House of Assembly.

And he thinks he just made any sense. . . Oh lawdy lawd!

mrpataki:
Every member of this forum is not under any obligation to make a post to every topic on this forum. We all seek for areas of interest and post therein. Sorry that your favorite scam-prone business section has been deleted by Seun, hence you can now afford yourself the sense to come to the politics section to make contributions.

Behold, mrpataki and his usual practice of always bringing non-issues into real issues!  What has this got to do with what we're discussing?  One who checks your stats would be deceived to think you're some kind of born again Christian or pastor since you have many of your posts under Religion, whereas, 99% of your posts in that section are just plain brawls. . . always looking for who to exchange words with.  This makes me wonder how old you really are - you definitely can't be 26 years old!  

mrpataki:
I do not come here brandishing myself to be of higher intellect than any other person albeit, I am accustomed to hearing such from my peers most times. So kid, keep your observations to yourself.

Wait a minute, are you saying your pears peers actually tell you that you are intelligent?

mrpataki:
Have you wondered why other far more intelligent members have decided to keep mute and not contribute to this thread? It's not as if they haven't seen this thread already, they're just wise enough to know when and how to ignore and avoid senseless topics and issues.

In other words, YOU are foolish enough not to know when and how to ignore and avoid "senseless topics and issues", since you're the only one foolishly bold enough to raise a stiff opposition, innit?

mrpataki:
By the way, you have no rebuttals towards the jargons you earlier stated about this dream of yours and its latest project? Stick to issues and get your tenses right alongside.

I didn't bother myself to make any rebuttal, and probably will not, depending on the kind of gibberish you come up with next.  Because as Deolu said to me last week during a chat, "Our acts will speak for us; only fools argue with results".

Regards.

There's a thread on this already: Children Targeted By Witch Hunts

I've been following this discussion for some time now, and I observed that a lot of people (non-Yorubas especially) are getting unnecessarily sentimental and irrational over this issue.

If I'm not mistaken, the bill says Yoruba is to be spoken in the House of Assembly, not that they are making Yoruba the official language of the state (that's impossible anyway).  So what's all these talk about driving businesses away, and making non-Yorubas feel unaccepted?   It is a well-known fact that Yoruba is the most widely spoken indigenous language in Lagos.  Infact, you'd be surprised at the hundreds of thousands of non-Yorubas that speak the language so FLUENTLY and the other millions that UNDERSTAND PERFECTLY, so I fail to see the problem or tribalism or whatnot here.

Alas!  After all the name-calling and insults to the Yorubas, it turns out that AN IGBO WOMAN was the one that brought up the idea afterall.