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texazzpete:
the demerits of quaffing copious amounts of paraga. . .

That was uncalled for. You only need to google "Orion Prophecy" to understand the anxiety behind his post.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-34146.0.html

Kobojunkie:
No wonder these police men were busy trying to make as much as they could from the pockets of the public. 12,000 a month?? I am sure many of those guys made 3 times of that money from egunje from the public. Unbelievable!!

Did you say 3 times?  I say 10 times!

On the road to my former place of work, Policemen extort nothing less than N100 from every single commercial bus (including trailers).  They usually do this in the morning and in the everning.  Now assuming just 50 buses pass that road daily, that makes it N200, 50 times.  Now calculate that - N10,000 everyday!  In one month, that's N300,000! - which of course will be shared among them - less than 10 of them.
And this is just to assume that only 50 buses pass there daily.  I know for sure that not less than 60 - 80 buses pass that road daily.

Kobojunkie:
They should be required to sign that if they do not do better with the new pay, they loose their jobs.

And who's going to monitor them?

@ Seun & topic

Seun:
Quality education is not cheap. Let's stop pretending otherwise.
Let's privatize all our schools and move forward from there. Chikena.

This is not the issue. It is already a well-known fact that Osun State University is a fraud.

The whole scam began when the school announced that all students who wrote the last conducted UME, irrespective of their scores, should come for their screening examination. Out of excitement, poor unsuspecting students (over 90,000 of them) rushed the appplication forms (which was about N3000 or thereabout), thanking their stars that UNIOSUN had finally saved them from the stings of JAMB. The examination day was fast approaching, and students from near, far and wide, traveled tens and hundreds of kilometres, spending hundreds and thousands of naira on feeding, transportation and even on accomodation. Again, on the exam day, over 90,000 students were compelled to purchase a N500 scratch card which they supposedly, were to use to check their results. After the exam, all went back to their respective destinations, some happy to have written the 'very-simple' exam, and anxiously awaiting the results. Some even had plans for their anticipated admissions already.

Some weeks later, it was announced that results were out and that students should log on to their poorly-organised website with their scratch cards to check their results. Anxious students crowded many cyber cafes in the city of Lagos, hoping to see good results. Alas! the results became inaccessible, as the scratch cards were invalid for result checking, hence useless. After much uproar about the whole situation, this 'fraud of a school' now decided to paste the results on their website. Over 90,000 students' had purchased a N500 scratch card for nothing.

As if this was not enough, they came with another shocker - Only those who scored 200 and above in their UME had their results released! "But they did not tell us this before now", many frustrated students growled. Oh well, they just had "no choice" but to accept things the way they were. . . after wasting thousands of naira that they could have used on other better things.

After the whole brouhaha had been laid to rest, the school again invited those who passed their screening test for another exam. Again, many students travelled many kilometres to Osun state, feeling very lucky to have been among the 'finalists'. This time, there was no much noise or complaints. The exam came and went.

Weeks later, came the final shocker. The school announced that students should pay exorbitant fees for tuition! Imagine a State University charging between N150,000 and N200,000 for ordinary tuition fees! I, personally, am not aware of any Federal or State University in Nigeria that charges above N50,000. If students had known that the fees would be this high, more than half wouldn't have bothered buying the forms at all. This is a school that was supposedly established for the masses - the people of Osun state in particular, who stridently requested for a university because their counterparts in other Western states already have theirs. This is a school that was supposedly set up to meet the needs of the Osun state students who cannot afford to go to private universities. The governor of Osun state, in his campaign, made this one of his promises to the people. Of course, he kept to his promise. . . but in a way more frustrating than could be imagined. How on earth does he expect these students, many of whom can barely afford 3 square meals per day, to pay this much? This is nothing but sheer wickedness. More annoying is that fact that this criminal, Oyinlola, when confronted with this issue, had the guts to open his mouth wide to say that those that cannot afford the school fees should go to LAUTECH. Just what was he insinuating by that? That LAUTECH is of a lower standard than UNIOSUN? Just what recognised standards does UNIOSUN have at the moment?

Of course, there is no gainsaying the fact that quality university education is expensive, and that's why it is justifiable for private universities to charge high fees. But in this case, there is no justification at all for students in this fledgling university to pay as high as N200,000. Public education, whether at the primary, secondary or university level is a public, social service. It is the responsibility of the government to the youths and should be offered at a cost that the people can reasonably be expected to afford. Both Oyinlola and Okebukola (the Chairman of the Implementation Committee of the State University) cannot claim ignorance of the fact that an average Nigerian in the rural areas of Osun State cannot afford anything close to what is being demanded by the school.

Methinks that the state is only trying to take undue advantage of the situation of the country that forces about a million candidates to seek admission to less than one hundred universities every year. And this situation is not helped by the fact that Okebukola, an avowed apostle of private university education, is believed to be behind the high fees being charged by the Osun State University.

I therefore suggest that successful candidates who could not take up the offer of admission on the account of high fees, should have their money refunded because nobody in their wildest dreams could have expected a state university to charge what UNIOSUN is demanding for. UNIOSUN's outrageous school fees is a dangerous precedent that could soon be copied by other state universities, which will be at a great cost to the education of Nigerian youths.

Osun State Governor should be called to order!

I hope the new figures are reasonable, and that with this, they will begin to perform better.

Wow! pilgrim.1 outside Religion board?

Anyway, this topic has been discussed previously: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-22862.0.html

Okay, we've seen your pic now. You're beautiful!

@tkb417 & chuckdee4

Give the guy a break! He was only asking a question. If you have been following events on the Religion board of this forum closely, then you'll know why such question is pertinent.

See related topics:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-3885.0.html
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-28824.0.html

Cheers.

In my own understanding, when the child is now a full grown adult and his father has become very old, he now assumes the responsibility of taking care of him.  Thus, he (the child) becomes the "father" of the man (his father).

Sentimental? (I guess you meant 'tribalistic').

So because you failed UNILORIN and OAU exams, that makes Yoruba people tribalistic? Sorry girl, but try reading harder next time.

Scatter:
@poster
if u are really hiv negative like you claim, then thank your god first, then borrow leg take off like 747 jet in fact don't look back. do you think she will wait if she knew that she is negative and you were positive? NO WAY !! think of yourself first !! you can be casuall freinds nothing more!

OMG!

Oh, I see your problem is with the womenfolk. I rest my case.

God or no God, Bible or no Bible, Christianity or no Christianity, common sense tells me that I ought to marry one wife. One woman is enough trouble already.

Yeah. . . and they're rude because they're Nigerians?  And going by your argument, I guess it's safe to conclude that you are also rude since you're also in the States?

Point is, insolence has got nothing to do with which country you come from.  You can't tell me that you haven't come across rude Americans, as well as well-mannered Nigerians over there.

That doesn't prove anything.  There are almost 145,000 members on this forum, out of which we have about 140,000 Nigerians (rough estimate), out of which we can assume that only about 72,500 Nigerians (approximately 0.05% of the entire populace) are insultive, and someone concludes that Nigerians are insultive?  I agree with Gamine, geographical boundries have nothing to do with our internal make up.

davidylan:
and the insults continue. Na wa o.

Black people indeed are genetically engineered to be less intelligent.

No correlation here bro. That people insult each other, has absolutely nothing to do with their race.

Ivvie:
Nigerians make up nairaland, go through nairaland and conclude on your observation. There is hardly a thread without insults. Lets not deceive ourselves.

And this makes it a "Nigerian thing"?

Seun:
The country's economy is doing pretty well. It will be dong 5 times better if not for NEPA.

I concur.  Things aren't as bad here as NIDs try to paint to us.  We would have been far better than many european coutries if NEPA/PHCN was functioning properly.  As I always say to those that care to listen, if the NEPA problem can be solved once and for all, watch out for a wonderful Nigeria.  And that's why often times, I just wish Yar'Adua could just make NEPA his priority; once that is solved, then every other thing can follow.

Hi all,

Please peruse my annotation meticulously and scrupulously with great clarity and perspicacity, so that grigadity will no longer fondulate the verisimilitude of your agolofemism in order to jabalate the watanical drimology of entamious bandu.

In order not to perplex you, and before some of you go scrambling for your wordbooks in search of the chimerical vocabularies herein; and as anticipated as well, before any psychotically corybantic fellow comes raving at me for my prepense catachresis, allow me to quickly promulgate that some words here are just an agglomeration of balderdash.

Thank you.

According to a reliable source, OAU is actually reverting to the JAMB scores to determine the cut-off marks for each department.  For Medicine, only those that scored 271 and above in JAMB and also scored above 200 in their post UME will be chosen.  In other words, even if you scored 350 in your post UME but didn't score up to 271 in your JAMB, you won't be given Medicine.  However, the cut-off mark for catchment areas for Medicine is 265.  (-- so I heard).

Coincidentally, I stumbled on this same piece last night while searching for the actual statement Oprah made against Nigeria. I was going to make a comment but it's locked. Here's the link: http://www.news24.com/News24/Entertainment/Celebrities/0,,2-1225-2108_2186033,00.html

And by the way, I really think that guy at Punch should be questioned on how/where he got his report.

Hi WesleyanA,

WesleyanA:
Unless human brain gets bigger as time goes, or human intelligence increase with time (about 3 generations in this case), i don't find anything wrong in the comparison.

another thing you can compare is Nigeria's age at 47 (?) compared to Britain at 47. (i'm sure Britain was past 47 in the 1800s when the people were pooping in the rivers).

I once used to reason along this line, but later on, I asked myself, how many developed countries were around back then for Britain to look up to?  You see, the issue here is that Nigeria today has a lot of developed nations to learn from.  It is indubitable that so many countries were not as developed as we are when they were about the same age as we.  But as my mom would always say to me (being the last born of the family), the last born ought to be the wisest of all children since has has elder ones to learn from by making sure he doesn't repeat their mistakes, and by learning from their shortcomings.  At this stage, I really do think that Nigeria should be ashamed of herself.

Case studies:

Singapore in 1965, when they gained independence (they're 'younger' than us), could be compared to a 'backward fishing village'.  This was at a time that our own Naira was even stronger than the USD.  But just take a look at that country today, and compare with Nigeria.   Whatever happened to Nigeria for heaven's sake?!

Malaysia is another country that gained independence about the same time as we (though 3 years earlier), but these guys have left us so far behind, and that's why our ex-president can open his mouth wide to compare us with Congo, knowing fully well that he failed woefully in his attempt (if any) to level us with better countries.

Again, Dubai is one lovely example.  This is a country that only gained full independence in 1971, but is now the dreamland of all tourists and investors worldwide.  Dubai worked to build up its infrastructure of transport facilities, schools, hospitals, tourism developments and other amenities that make up what one can proudly refer to as an advanced society today.  Even with their abundance of oil, they still had the sense to venture into other areas in order to boost their economy.  And to cap it all, these guys are sitll working even harder than ever!

So my dear WesleyanA, these are the kind of things that should trigger our powers of cogitation, both as individuals, and as a country in general.

WesleyanA:
The story about the african farmer who ate the cow rather than breed it like the white farmer did was stupid as well. I would eat my cow too if i was living in extreme poverty. I won't be waiting for it to breed unless i wanted to die sooner. that was actually a smart action on the part of the African in my opinion. especially if the african farmer was poorer than the white farmer which i suspect was the case.

Loma (unless i read the article wrong) is pretty much saying that even though science can't prove that we have lower intelligence, based on our cultural position in comparison to whites, we do have lower intelligence.
I don't wholeheartedly agree with this.
ex. the cow example.

Read this again:  “There was a cattle farm Robert Mugabe seized from a white farmer. This was a farm where the man was multiplying cows and selling them large scale, producing dairy products and beef. Mugabe seized the farm and gave it to a black farmer. The black man started eating the cows. By the time I left, nothing was on the farm again.”

“When I was in the secondary school in the 1970s, we used to have a British principal. We had a cattle farm that was well maintained. The principal managed this farm excellently. We were selling cattle and making money for the school. When the principal left, they brought in our own brother as principal. If his relations were having a party, he would go to the farm and give them a cow! The cows finished in no time.”

I think you should review that once more, the emboldened parts especially.  Loma was completely right in his cow analogy.  But since you seem to support the idea of the black man consuming the whole thing, "due to poverty", I think you should ask yourself what then became of the man eventually?  Did the consumption of the cows finally solve his poverty problem?

If you're business oriented, you will realise that the only way to tackle poverty is by effective management of your resources, no matter how little.  Your point here only reinforces Watson's remarks, which is quite sad.  If the White man had been managing the farm very well, and still had both the money and the cattles for himself, why couldn't the black man learn from that to alleviate his own 'poverty' as well?  'Investment' is the keyword here, which is what the blackman in that story doesn't realise.  Shows how low is IQ really is indeed.

WesleyanA:
you are free to share your opinions though. I really do understand the position you're coming from: "why should they be more advanced than us unless something is wrong with us" etc and i agree with you to a certain extent but I just didn't think Loma's article served any purpose other than justify Watson's claim (without the scientific proof part). He did a bad job since he himself just ended up using anecdotes as his "facts and figures." Just as bad as Watson using bad science. lol

And how on earth is that a bad job?   His facts and figures are accurate empirical evidences of Watson's claims.  Unless you're implying here that he did a bad job by supporting Watson? 

WesleyanA:
sorry, i see this whole thing in terms of culture and circumstance rather than race. as we have all agreed, It has nothing to do with genes.

You're right here. I think a more appropriate term to use here is "environment". I agree with NINETOFIVE when he explained, succinctly, that "the Europeans are not genetically superior to black people or more intelligent than Africans, but it should be noted that the nature of their environment made it possible for them to have made a lot use of their brain than Africans. we would be bunch of Idiots not to see this, the brain is like muscle tissue, the more you exercise it, the better it works".


Cheers.

@davidylan

davidylan:
@ ninetofive,
I don't mean to celebrate exams. On the other hand i was replying to Afam's silly claim that all oyinbo exams are too easy.

Err. . . Afam said this: "I have written exams set by whites and I know how easy the exams were."

If I understand that clearly, he was simply telling us that the exams set by whites that he personally had written, were easy. He didn't claim that all oyinbo exams are too easy. Besides, "easy" is a relative term, if you know what I mean.

debosky:
You ended up responding his post tit for tat by using words such as hypocrite, gibberish, absolute composition of nonsense x10 (my personal favorite ) amongst others.

By resorting to this approach of castigating him in the exact same manner in which the attack came, in some cases with 10 times the intensity, you have proven not only to be on his level, but on a superiorly (^{or inferiorly, depending on whether you are an animal or a rational being} ) pixilated and animalistic plane.

You surrendered your initial rationality on the altar of retribution and so you are consigned to the same ignominious status as the originator.

I expected you to come up with this, and so had my answer ready.  You will agree with me that the word 'fool' alone carries more weight than any of the words I used against him, which by the way, were statements of fact deduced from diligent observation (save for the one I, in all fairness, directed back at him for certainty of his rationale at that moment ); unlike his, that was just an unprovoked plain insult.  Already, this invalidates your theory of we both acting "exactly" in the "same" manner.  And based on this, our individual rationality in this circumstance, definitely should not be weighed with the same "instrument".  Besides, I wonder why you've chosen to overlook the fact that I later went on to ignore his rants, thereby proving myself to be "rationally superior" (in your words now). -  Not that I demand any accolades for that anyway. . . just want you to be more objective in your argument.

Hi debosky,

If I get you right, your argument seems to suggest that the objectionable status of a troublemaker is conferrable to the victim, if that victim retaliates by doing to the troublemaker, exactly what the troublemaker first did to him.  And based on this, I can confidently say that this theory of yours is inapplicable to me here, because it has been invalidated by what actually transpired between mrpataki and I.  (See for yourself: link).

Perhaps, I shouldn't have made the mistake of admitting initially that I responded in kind.  I guess I wasn't 'puristic enough' this time.

Cheers bro!

@mrpataki,

I'm not a big fan of pointing out grammatical errors in people's posts. But considering the fact that you jeeringly questioned how I "soundly articulate my facts" on the previous page, one would have expected your own grammatical expressions to be error-free. You sure wouldn't want to get me started on that, even though it would be a herculean task pointing out your own errors.

That aside dude, I think you should be asking yourself why you were the only one on that thread that got a ban, rather than make some emoticon-laced post, boasting about addressing some "cyber dummies". Besides, my reference to that thread here, was as a result of what this topic intends to address - the very same problem you started on that thread, which you're still posing here! Of course, I care less about whoever started the drama. I only cited a personal experience which I once had, as an example, and that's that about it!

Alright Kobojunkie, I get your point. I'll try next time to ignore such people.

@deboksy

debosky:
my point is. . .some behaviours or actions are reserved strictly for animals, so whether done without provocation, or done in retaliation, merely carrying out that act confers on you the status of 'pixilated barbarianism' or 'animalistic-ness'

I disagree. It is very normal for a victim to react to an unpleasant action performed by another against him. But the manner in which such person now chooses to react is what's debatable, not the reason nor the act itself.

debosky:
Its like biting a dog in return because it bit you, or sucking the blood of a mosquito in return for the bites you got, sheer animalism

Interesting, but inapplicable analogy here, my friend. Only a confirmed animal will do as you stated, if your analogy were to be taken literally. Again, a normal human would definitely react to such attacks, but how he chooses to do so is what should be put to question. If a mosquito bites me and I retaliate by killing it, that doesn't make the same as the mosquito, does it? Or if an armed robber attacks you, and you retaliate, does that automatically make you a robber as well?

mrpataki:
Do you consider the term ''animalistic behavior'' to not be provocative enough for a response which sparks of another chain reaction of provocation in itself?

I wouldn't have used such term if I hadn't been previously provoked by one who initially launched an unprovoked attack on me. And I'm glad that even you acknowledge that you "deviated from the norm". A simple apology from you, back then, would have saved us these arguments.

mrpataki:
What maybe un-provoking to you, may be to another person! So keep that in mind.

Thanks for the piece, mate. But I must let you know that I never go about deliberately provoking people, unless I'm pushed to the wall. Perhaps, you should take your own advice.

mrpataki:
See how you keep slapping yourself in the mouth. Since when did you have the exclusive right to reprimand a person who has the gumption to defend himself when provoked in a provocative manner?

Since that time when I was first provoked by the same person who didn't feel any remorse for his actions, who had the audacity to openly defend the undefendable, while at the same time, ridiculing the very faith he claimed to represent, all still in a provocative manner!

mrpataki:
You have been adequately given the needed response by kobojunkie and analysed by debosky. I need not reiterate it henceforth.

Actually, I've been enjoying desbosky's taunts. But as for kobojunkie, I think he was reproaching me for "answering a fool according to his folly", innit?

debosky:
But animals just attack without a 'state of mind' which is why they are animals, I wouldn't regard eating raw meat or biting a foe to be a funtion of state of mind, whether angered or not. that is simply being an animal.

As human beings, we're meant to be more intelligent. Having said this, I fail to understand your point here, sir.

My generousity! Right now, I'm broke as hell!

Oh. .  I missed this earlier.

debosky:
you called pataki a 'pixilated barbarian' with 'animalistic behavior' and since you decided to respond in kind, you have also displayed 'animalistic behavior' and can thus be termed to be a 'pixilated barbarian' as well

Err. . debosky, the mention of "animalistic behaviour" in my previous post was in reference to those who attack others when it's unprovoked.  Therefore, analysing your hypothesis, "my response in kind" cannot be equated with such term, since I, the victim, was actually provoked to do so.  Conclusively, I reserve the right to reprimand him for still having the 'gumption' to defend himself, in a provocative manner!

And based on this, I'll have to agree with almondjoy and laudate here. Sometimes when one tries to ignore, these uncouth fellows mistake one's "gentleness" for weakness, and will continue with their invectives until one brings up a stiff defence of oneself by replying in kind. Though this may not be the best solution, but it works. And trust me, I know what I'm talking about.