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You guys are already derailing the thread gradually.  Very soon, you'll start cursing each other out over which club is better.

@poster,

I share your views as well.  Naturally, and being a Nigerian, I love football but I'm not a fan of any club in particular.  I love the style of play of Man Utd and Arsenal, and in the La Liga, Barca.  The few times I've watched Chelsea play, the matches were boring, so I really can't say much about them.

I find it so difficult to understand why human beings can go as far as creating enmity between themselves over some football clubs that are completely oblivious of their existence.  You see guys on the streets, on top of their voices, almost exchanging blows, just because of their clubs.  Even here in the Sports section, only God knows what will happen if some members get to meet each other face to face.  Just recently, a Liverpool fan murdered an Arsenal fan in cold blood over their usual controversy.  It's crazy, really.

Football, just like any other entertainment sport, is meant to be enjoyed.  But it's disheartening to see some become so fanatical over it.  Anyway, like some say, football is another religion on it's own, so things like this are bound to happen.

enitan2002:
Jesus and Imanuel are not the same thing.

I am inclined to agree with enitan2002 based on these:

* http://www.geocities.com/b_r_a_d_99/isaiah7.htm
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_7:14

. . . save for the part where he refers to them as "thing". (j/k)

Rebuttals, anyone?

'Lady Evangelist'? Divorced? Christian?

analyt82:
but I think that God has turned her into a reprobate mind. He did say that if you continue to not listen to him that he'd turn you over to your sin. I think that's what happened.

An omnibenevolent God said that?

There is no evidence against him and he has been granted a N500,000 bail already.
http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art200711160581332

naijaking1:
@Young Rat

Excellent point about privatization. Government could spend all they want on PHCN or Nepa, but without removing inefficient government management, there will never be reliable power supply to naija.

Privatization is good, but the cost is another thing to bear in mind.

oyb:
i have to second that.all this constant destructive criticism is tiring.it is so easy to knock other's proposed solutions. but this should be done with recommendations for alternatives.

Thank you!  And the annoying part of this is that 95% of the time, these destructive criticisms come from the Nigerians in diaspora.  If at all you want to criticize, do so, telling us why it cannot work, while at the same time, proferring alternative solutions. That way, we'll know you've got the interest of the country in your heart, not just coming to yarn dust and later claim to be "patriotic".  Apart from I-man, I really can't make much sense of the other opposers' rebuttals.

oyb:
perhaps if all of us are able to escape from nigeria we will also look back and find nothing good with it.

Good you mentioned this, because it reminds me of a Nigerian Proverb I came across recently:

"When a soup is unpalatable, and the paste of the pounded yam that goes with it is not smooth, that is the time to know a man who truly loves to eat pounded yam."

True patriotism is only detected when things are really bad, and Afam has clearly demonstrated this in the little way he can.

Actually, I didn't read the content of this thread earlier. . . only saw the title and responded.

After perusing Afam's article on energy conservation, I must admit that this is one very intelligent piece.

Now, that being said, I think this article should make one of our national dailies, prefarably ThisDay or Punch (since they're the most widely read). Hopefully, this will get to those in high offices and the energy/power problem will then be effectively tackled.

But till then. . .
Double thumbs up bro!

Did you and mrpataki plan this together?

Anyways, see here also: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-93724.0.html

OKay, let me complete the article.

Owan added: "We have what we call suppressed demand in the country, that is, the demand for power as a country is more than the supply of power. Experts tell us that today, we can use up to 14,000 to 15,000 megawatts, but our capacity to generate is about 4,000 megawatts. The demand is so high that anybody can build a power plant today. We can all buy the power".

As I've always said, if power problem in Nigeria (which is the major problem right now) can be solved once and for all, that will be the beginning of new things to come for us.

Oh please, this frequent jeering reference to Dr. Watson has become hackneyed already.

@ topic,

Patnership with the private sector should do.

Here's an extract from The Guardian of October 30, 2007.

"For erratic power supply to become a thing of the past in the country, the Nigerian Electricity Regulatory Commission (NERC) will need a sum of N3 trillion.

Chairman of the Commission, Dr. Ransome Owan gave the figure in Calabar the Cross River State capital shortly after the commissioning of the Presidential Retreat and International Conference Centre at the Obudu Ranch Resort by President Umaru Musa Yar'Adua.

"We need N3 trillion investments for the country to have improved power supply. The country will have vast improvement with such injection of money. I am happy to report that as of today, we have granted licenses to 21 companies that are going to generate over 8,200 megawatts", he said.

. . .

"Right now, the national budget is about N2 trillion. The power sector alone can easily take that on any given day", he said adding, "so it is critical that those private investors come in and invest in the energy sector of the nation's economy".

. . .

Note: Not a total privatisation, but public-private sector patnership.

Back in the days, when my father had a Beetle (Volkswagen).

Back in the days, when only the rich used mobile phones (then cellulars).

Well, I really can't say much about the VI road, but angel101's statement was confirmed by another source (a Ghanian living in Lagos).

Also, much demolition (mostly of ancient builidings) have been going on lately in some areas of the city and some areas in the city now have light for at least 23hrs per day (some places in Ikorodu and other places) . Let's just wait and see how everything unfolds.

mrpataki:
How are they different in terms of origin?

Hmmm. .  I see you're really in the mood for arguments now.

Anyhoo, I'm famished (haven't had breakfast).  C ya l8r!

@Afam:

Semantics!  Semantics!!

That's usually the cause of disagreements on issues like this.  I don't know if some just deliberately misinterprete your words to appear more intelligent, or they simply can't understand simple statements. Debates like this are meant to be educating and enlightening, not an avenue for us to start displaying our insulting skills.

Despite desbosky's and my explanation, mrpataki is still asking me what I mean by "originally different".

@Kobojunkie,

Since it seems we're both on different pages here, I'll just clarify my stance this last time.

I've been following this thread for quite some days now without dropping any comments.  The part that thrilled me the most was when the ethanol and bio-ethanol issue arose.  Somewhere along the line, arguments started on whether they were different or not.  I noticed that while you and your crew based yours on the function of both products as the same, others based their argument on their origin, or should I say, mode of preparation, albeit, implicitly.  I then came with a simple post which I will repeat again:

Functionally, they are the same.

Chemically, they're identical (indistinguishable, that is)

But in terms of origin, they are different.

Now, I expected that whomever was arguing would at least be calm enough to present his arguments from any of these points.  Instead, what I got was some people questioning my grammar and wondering how I came up with something that appeared weird to them. Infact, I already stated that the difference was superficial, so why the fuss?

Now talking about water, there is no doubt that water is water, no matter the source (which I believe is your point).  But then again, depending on how the argument is shaped, another may come out and say, "NO! Water is not water" and the person would still be 100% right (which is my own point).  What I simply did was to bring out the possible angles from which such arguments could stem from so that we could have a better grasp of every individual's perspectives.

Anyway, if you still have a problem with this simple explanation, well. . .

Cheers!

Kobojunkie:
As per your post about Source,  the sea water and fresh water case, that statement is not true or people in FLORIDA would be complaining that there water is terribly salty.

I have never been to Florida so I have no idea what their water tastes like.  I know that well water and sea water, originally, do not taste alike.  Besides, no one is talking about the degree of salinity now.

Kobojunkie:
You can get Water from both Fresh Water Source and From the sea,  Once the impurities and salts have been removed(DESALINIZATION), it is the same water that those who get it from freshwater sources have. This has been practiced for thousands of years.

Before you begin to divert, note that my contention so far has been about the origin.  Unless you can prove that the Bar beach, Lekki Beach and Badagry Beach are different from all other seas out there, then there's NO WAY you can convince me that sea water and well water are the same.

Kobojunkie:
If you want to claim that my question to you was a way to score brownie points, then what should I consider your coming in after reading all the posts that have mentioned that even though the source of the final product is different, the composition is essentially same?? @Purist ,  You already did that job yourself, so why claim I am the one trying to do that with you?? I wanted to understand how someone could come in to make a claim as the one you did when all along, the discussion has never been about the initial source or the final product and not even the biproducts of the processes.

I observed that folks here were arguing from different points of view and that was why I felt the need to clarify that.  Depending on what/where you base your argument, I believe that the simple post I made a page ago, should have encapsulated it all.  For someone to now come and start questioning how I came about "originally different", really beats me.

Happy Birthday.

@ Kobojunkie & davidylan

I was going to explain myself but I'm glad debosky has done just that.

Succinctly put, synthetic ethanol is derived from fossils, while bio-ethanol is derived from biological fermentation of organic materials.  That's what I meant by "originally different", and even though debosky has pointed out that it ought not to be applied that way, it's imperative that you guys know that the word "original" can be used differently in sentences, depending on the message being conveyed.

@davidylan

davidylan:
i thought i was the only one puzzled by Purist's post. What is the difference between fresh water from the well and fresh water from the sea? Originally they are different? na wa for some people.

To answer your question, sea water is salty, well water is not; and the latter part of your post was unnecessary.

@Kobojunkie

Kobojunkie:
I was waiting for him to give us a rundown of the chemical difference between alcohol samples produced from the two sources, LMAO!!!

I wouldn't want us to start trading insults here, but it's quite annoying when a clear post is prepensely or otherwise miscontrued just to score a cheap point.  I want to believe that you saw that the part where I wrote that they are chemically identical.  Please behave yourself.

Okay, let's just say that I'm being sanguine on this one.

@topic,

This is one interesting thread.  I'll go with almondjoy on this one.  With all the super-intelligent folks here, Nigeria still hasn't developed? 

davidylan:
Let me rephrase the above for better understanding: "there is a difference between synthetic CH₃COOH and bio-CH₃COOH".

What sir, is the difference?

The difference is superficial anyway, but for the sake of clarity, let me just chip this in:

Functionally, they're the same.

Chemically, they're identical.

Originally, they're different.


Cheers.

What's all the noise about age gap? What if he's 50 and the lady is 20, does that still make any difference?

Besides, if I'm not mistaken, the age of consent in Nigeria is 13 so this guy's no pedophile and 16yr olds in Nigeria are no minors either.

Please note: I do not support this guy, as I am even against pre-marital sex. But the wrong premise on which many of you have based your arguments is what I chose to address.

Cheers.

Gov. Raji Fashola has been doing a great job in Lagos so far, and I have no doubts that he can make Lagos a megacity if he remains focused.  Lagosians that are current with the affairs of the state will agree with me that this man means serious business.  I have been reading quite a lot about this megacity project lately and I strongly believe it can become a reality, provided the corruption syndrome is not injected into the system.  Just yesterday, he was shown on TV as he visited many parts of Lagos, finding out about the problems of the people and promising to solve their problems soonest.  The same yesterday, the following email addresses were provided on TV for the people to reach the governor on: [complaints@lagosstate.gov.ng, enquiry@lagosstate.gov.ng and a 3rd one I can't remember].

As for Seun's comment, it's understandable if he feels that way, since their own state governor has no such plans for them.  Never mind bro, you guys will definitely benefit from the project.

@Infourmer,

Ignore that fellow called mrpataki!  The guy just got some new words and he's looking for ways to apply them.  Noticed his embarrassing catachresis?  It's not difficult to recognise one who frequently consults a dictionary for virtually every word before making a coherent post.  And I'm quite surprised he is yet to use the word "bunkum". 

babs787:
I am very sure you would have seen lots of posts from christian apologist if the topic has been created in their favor.

True.

adelola:
And also, Thisis something to think about: Since
America is typically represented by an eagle.
Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages
,

The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic
Bible)

Koran ( 9:11 ) - For it is written that a son of
Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of
the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of
Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in
despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the
Eagle cleansed the e lands of Allah;

And there was peace.
(Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?!

This part is rather interesting; really interesting.

You guys should please be specific about the branch you're talking about. Apparently, all Oceanic bank branches cannot be "in trouble", considering the fact that they have even almost completed the new branch they're building in my area. I bank with them, don't gve me a heart attack please!

mdsocks:
http://www.life-cycles-destiny.com/pg/ancient-maya-egypt-civilization.htm
not the end of the world but a big destruction to the earth

Yeah.  Strangely, this also coincides with Nostradamus' prophecy about the 3rd world war.  And stranger is the fact that the aftermath of these prophesied events are very similar.

pcmecom:
I don't know what you guys think?

I think you should check here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-34146.0.html