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by Matt Slick

Atheists are often very aggressive when it comes to attacking Christianity, and one of the topics they often criticize is prayer. Since they believe (deny, lack belief, etc.) that there is no God, therefore prayer cannot work -- no matter what is said. The problem is that atheists who attack Christianity regarding prayer have three major problems. First, they need to deal with their own false assumptions that constrain their objectivity.
Second, how would they judge if prayer works.
Third, they don't understand how prayer works.
In the first case, atheists can only assume that God does not exist. They cannot know for sure that God does not exist because it is not possible to know all arguments and evidences for and against God's existence -- which means there could be arguments and evidences they have not yet heard. So, ultimately, his position is held by faith -- even if he wants to say it is an informed "faith." Once his belief is in place, all evidence and arguments for God must be filtered through that paradigm. Prayer, then, could not possibly work because it would mean that God existed.

Second, how would atheists judge whether or not prayer works? Do they want repeatable experiments and regular quantifiable data so that the efficacy of prayer can be tested and measured? That would be a problem. If prayer "A" resulted in effect "B," then we would see a correspondence of prayer and result -- something the atheist could see and verify. But if this were the case, such a phenomena would not be a demonstration that God exists. Instead, it would be a demonstration that uttering certain words in certain patterns brings certain results. This would imply that a new property of the universe has been discovered, and that by saying certain words certain results occur. This would not demonstrate that God exists. Besides, we call this phenomena sorcery.

Third, prayer doesn't work the way the atheists imply it should. Biblically speaking, prayer is offered to a Living Being who, according to Christianity, works all things after the counsel of his will ( Ephesians 1:11),not ours. God, like any rational being, may or may not answer a request from someone. Think about this: if my child asks me for ice cream and I don't want to give it to her, does it mean I don't exist or that her asking me forthings doesn't work? Of course not.
That doesn't stop the atheist from citing"studies" where the efficacy of prayer is measured and found to be useless -- according to them. But that is what you'd expect if God, in his infinite wisdom, refused to be quantified by those who deny him and want him, essentially, to perform parlor tricks by responding to prayers in such a regular and man-centered manner so that his"performance" (and prayer's efficacy) can be measured. In other words, atheists, who deny God, want God to do what they want him to do so they can be convinced. But God doesn't submit to his creation -- especially to those who deny him.
But still, does prayer work? Yes it does. I've experienced profound answers many times. But, of course, if I were to offer my experiences and answered prayers the atheist would say it's too subjective and not quantifiable. Therefore, they would reject it. So we are at an impasse. The atheist requirement of observation, testability, etc., can't affirm or deny prayer's efficacy. So, it isn't possible to win with the atheist when he sets up a criteria that is impossible to satisfy, especially when all answers have to be filtered through his atheistic world view which requires that prayer will not work.
The atheist, in my opinion, has arrogantly challenged God by viewing non-answered prayer as evidence that he does not exist. The Bible says that God hides himself from the proud ( James 4:6). So according to Scripture, atheists cannot and will not see that prayer works and they will continue to deny God and elevate their own sense of truth and reality.

http://carm.org/atheist-prayer-does-not-work

REAL TRUTH: Now hear this,,,,the first time I ever experienced or witnessed a practical miracle in my life time was Ayobo,,by same Pastor Kumuyi,,,,If anybody had told me this story,,,I would have doubted it,,,,but since I personally experienced it,,,then one or I could say miracles re actually and it does happen.
Here is what happened,,Pastor Kumuyi had a word of knowledge that someone whose one of leg(specifically mentioned the left leg) is shorter than the other one,,,he requested that the person should sit down on the floor and the man was right besides me,,I watched him while he sat down,,I saw clearly that the left leg was shorter,,,Pastor now said,,all heads bow and eyes closed,,I bowed my head but with my eyes open,,,I saw clearly how the left leg grew with just a very specific short prayer.

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What is the name of the church? Is it christ embassy  they are notorious for immoral activities there. i suggest you take to your heels and flee.

Nnanna224: Mods wat r u waiting for before taking this to the fp! Wo.lves in sheepskin.....

mods dey sleep

chronique: Speeches

OBAGADAFFI: I can see you Igbos just created another tread for you civil war.

sharap!

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PointB: Sharrap half-brother. Do you have to mention 'ofenmanu.' Keep your bigotry in check, it's monday morning for crying out loud!

MrCrackles: Chei, i always knew that bespactacled fella was dodgy!

Nawa O

Ibori shoplifter
Tinubu drug baron

OBJ sex addict

Who next?!!!!

boy t: I assume Tinubu  the  yoruba god father has no sin. he is very very innocent and clean.

Beaf: Tinubu also got area boys to pelt the great Gani Fawehinmi, advocate of the common with sachets of pure water for daring to challenge his "Toronto" certificate in court.

karl max: . I guess ur one of the beneficiaries of the PPP lagos.like all of u u who are like a puppet in the hands of ur PPP masters Tinubu ur puppet master anybody who critizes our PPP administration is a pdp agent!.don worry we would protest with our votes in eti osa come 2015!

awhagwan: [size=20pt]Ehhhhnnnnn!!!!?[/size] This is would have been unbelievable in 2010, but today, we now know ALL of these allegations to be true!!!

[size=16pt]I now know that Lagosians are all certified Mumus!!![/size]

How can one man pocket 20 million people like this? [size=25pt]Thief-nubu, you try gaan o!! Chai!!![/size]

[quote author=james_ibor]A hardened one at that. That's the same man some people are proud to call their leader. I wonder what sort of people have a criminal as their leader.[/quote]I smh for them

FJCRUISER: U VE FORGOTTEN DIS PAID KILLER AND MO.RON IFA PRIEST ILUGUNBOY. GIST HAS DAT HE RECIEVES FIFTY KOBO FOR EVERY THREAD AND RESPONSE ON NAIRALAND . DAT'S Y HE STRUGGLES HARD TO JUSTIFY HIS PAY WITH USELESS COMMENTS .

mumumugu: Frosbel cant be anti christ.....he is just a confused fellow who copies various post from different website and post them online

yea.... He is anti christ but not the anti christ

lagerwhenindoubt: Blast! I have always suspected he was possessed of some higher-power

If the senate president/senate could do nothing to stop it, wetin make you think say Pej go fit do anything

frosbel: From getting thrown out of the politics section for contributing nothing and harassing others to the religious section where you are following me from post to post

make I reply the bolded,
you keep repeating that statement.
Were you the one that threw me out
How is that even possible
I spend about 4hrs daily in the politics section.
Oya check this link and see the number of likes wey I get for my posts
https://www.nairaland.com/1357171/soyinka-embarrassment-admirers-patience-jonathan
this man from Imo state mind ya self oo

frosbel: From getting thrown out of the politics section for contributing nothing and harassing others to the religious section where you are following me from post to post

make I reply the bolded,
you keep repeating that statement.
Were you the one that threw me out
How is that even possible

I spend about 4 hrs daily in the politics section.
Oya check this link and see the number of likes wey I get for my posts
https://www.nairaland.com/1357171/soyinka-embarrassment-admirers-patience-jonathan

frosbel: stop being a nuisance, why are you stalking me, abi dem send you !!

From getting thrown out of the politics section for contributing nothing and harassing others to the religious section where you are following me from post to post

you are the one who is 'nuisantic'
this was Ola's post below

OLAADEGBU: Come, See And Encounter

The God that cannot fail@

Deeper Life Conference Centre

Km 42, Lagos-Ibadan Expressway

20-21 July 2013

Saturday 18:00 hours (6:00 PM)

Sunday 08:00 hours (08:00 AM)

http://www.dclm.org/

and then see you reply

frosbel: God is everywhere, he sees me , hears me and meets my needs, why should I come looking for him in your crusades.

Besides, I have the bible which I love to read and receive fresh food from God, we don't need your crusades, thanks.

who are the we
Why you no ignore the post
Must you comment
Old man wey no wan mind him business
smh

frosbel: stop being a nuisance, why are you stalking me, abi dem send you !!

From getting thrown out of the politics section for contributing nothing and harassing others to the religious section where you are following me from post to post

rather you should stop being a nuisance by jumping from one thread to the other with you false doctrine/teaching.

frosbel: God is everywhere, he sees me , hears me and meets my needs, why should I come looking for him in your crusades.

Besides, I have the bible which I love to read and receive fresh food from God, we don't need your crusades, thanks.

better speak for ya self
who be we