₦airaland Forum

There's an interesting theory that the knot has Christian origins and was adapted from North African cross styles (i.e., Coptic cross styles).

http://newsrescue.com/the-northern-knot-the-arewa-insignia-is-actually-of-christian-northern-origins/

blues20:
So can you kindly post the page its coming from?

If you had clicked on the link in OP, you would have seen that the poster did not lie about where he saw it.

nengibo:
Guilty conscience

*chuckles*

You silly, silly child.

Abagworo:
Uya means sickness. It's variance of Oya and Oria.

No, it is not a variant of oya and oria. Maybe it is in your place, but for the wider Igbo-speaking peoples (or at least the groups that I know), the words are two different words. Uya is sorrow or suffering.

In the Southeast, people also answer Uyanwanne (Sibling's sorrow/suffering) and Onwubuya (Death is sorrowful), and they make the distinction between Uya and Oria/Oya. I never saw Orianwanne or Onwubuoria.

When I was in Nnewi, I heard people saying 'Ebezina uya' which means in their dialect 'Stop sorrowing/stop weeping'; for them 'uya' (sorrow) is different from 'oya' (sickness).

@Afam4eva, no one was going to say the word is Bini. You've been acting paranoid of late over Anioma matters; you didn't use to act like that.

Jetleeee:
But you see those people from that side? We need to keep an eye on them before they start claiming it

You know they aren't proud of their ugly attires lol

It didn't even take long for someone to go there. I was expecting it around the 4th or 5th comment, but you beat my expectation.

Afobear:
Awusa is the igbo word for HAUSA owning to the fact that the igbo alpabhets lacks a H CONSONANT.
HAUSA'S are called ndi-awusa or ndi-ugwu

Igbo alphabets lack a H consonant?!! Ha! That is not true na.

gerg:
It depends on how you see it. There's a reason people don't accuse Edo of landgrabbing. but you see these Igbos? they're very contradictory. Igbanki has Enogie titles for their kings and Igbos accuse them of selling their birthright while they turn around and ask why is Obi of Isele Uku not using the Enogie title if they actually have Edo ancestry. Today they will say Edos don't give a fvck about Anioma and tomorrow they say Edo is trying to annex us. But from what I read on that website, Otedo is subtly in support of Edoxit referendum from Nigeria being campaign by some people on facebook and other places and they want the Anioma to be part of them. But honestly, they don't do it forcefully, by fabrications or concoction. They do it diplomatically and with proof of well recorded history.

I have had arguments with Bini people on some sites where they were actually quite forceful and stubborn. Onitsha always appears to be the lodestar for them, because the conversation always ends up centering around Onitsha. I showed one a list of Onitsha kings and he swore that all the names there are Edo; then he proceeded to give me made-up Edo meaning for names like Diali and Anazonwu. I weak.

In my own experience, when politics enter the matter, Edo folks are as forceful as the Biafranists, and as unwilling to listen. I see little difference between the two.

gerg:
I'm a regular contributor of Otedo.com. You're very funny. that site is even very much in harnessing Anioma up to Onitsha and Ogbaru. They call all the parts of Anioma Edo land. maybe you're blind to these and only being a typical igbo.

So they are basically doing the very thing a lot of Nigerians give Igbos a flak for - landgrabbing?

Ngozi123:
Thank you . How do you know so much about Ogbaru people?

Why won't I know about my kin? Oshimili and Ogbaru are kin. We are all riverain people.

Ngozi123:
. Please delete it.

I have.

Sorry.

Ngozi123:
Fratermathy

My last name is up there but I don't accept that it's a Bini name .

I just went through the names listed on that no. 1 again. If your name is there, just calm down and accept that it is of Bini origin. That doesn't make you Bini though.

ehikwe22:
Yes. Ehichoya is a very popular Esan name but more common around Uromi area

That's interesting.

ehikwe22:
Uya means suffering and anything negative in Anioma languages. Other Uya names include Ikponfinasoya literally means dustbin doesn't forbid bad things and ehichoya. Literally means God chase away my suffering and tribulations. Same name, same pronunciation and same meaning in Ika and Esan

Esan has the 'ch' sound? I am just asking because I can't remember seeing 'ch' in an Esan word.

Uya is something along the lines of sorrow/suffering.

Onyali - one of my favourites.

Azike.

Uti - I only recently learnt it was taken from the title Ezomo N'Uti.

Who knows what Ogeah means, by the way? Some of my cousins answer that.

I know of an Issele-Uku man called Biniamaka. I thought the name was a little funny.

Depending on how one interpretes 'African', everywhere in the world was originally settled by 'African' migrants.

Ofodirinwa:
http://www.jstor.org/stable/41856706?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents here it is
Your theory doesn't hold because they knew about Hausa and Bornu and that was in fact their primary interest in reach when they spoke of Oyo.

What are you even talking about? Of course the Europeans knew Hausa and Borno. Same way they also knew about Oyo, going by ample references to Oyo in the sources. What I was responding to is your comment on the absence of a 'Bight of Oyo' as an indicator that Oyo was probably not all that. There was no 'Bight of Borno' or 'Bight of Hausa' either. So you didn't have much of a point there.

Oyo was a kingdom but never an empire. By all records the strongest kingdom of the yoruba states

*Chuckles* Of course you have every right to reject facts.

Ofodirinwa:
Benin was an empire, Oyo was a kingdom.
Who was under Oyo dominion that wasn't ethnically Oyo? and please provide evidence because such doesn't exist.

I'm reading several historic documents. Oyo was a kingdom. A strong one but it didn't rule it's neighbors despite their neighbors fearing them

Did you read this one?

PRUNEAU de POMMEGORGE (lived on the West Coast of Africa in 1750 - 64)

"....the king of the Ayeots [Oyos]can put a hundred thousand men into the field, and to whom ten other kings also pay tribute..."


Or this one from 1776 which shows that the Mahi, an ethnic group in Benin was formerly tributary to Oyo before winning independence sometime before 1776; and also mentions the Kingdom of Dahomey as another kingdom that paid tribute to Oyo?

DE CHENEVERT and BULLET 1776:

"This Mahi people is very extensive, it is divided into small republics; they are a mountain people, warlike, bold and also wicked, as is seen by the slaves which come from there; they are enemies of the Dahomets and have thrown thrown off the yoke of the Ayaux [Oyos] to whom they were tributary; they live in the highlands between the kingdoms of Dahomet and that of the Ayaux.

These last (i.e, Oyo) are a brave, numerous and very extensive people; the Dahomets owe them tribute; their sway stretches as far as 20 leagues to the NE of Glegoi.

Etc. Etc. Etc.

An empire is a kingdom that, through military might is able to force tribute from neighbouring kingdoms/states as well as exercise some control on their external affairs. Oyo did that, as is attested in the sources. If it was not a empire tell us what is.

Ofodirinwa:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/dd/a5/da/dda5da28f3a8ccf869effea9f8a80a58.jpg

Even today the Brights are called Bright of Benin and Bright of Biafra (which was renamed after the Biafran war by the British)
No Bright of Oyo, or Oyo on maps of the era.

There were Oyo people, but an Oyo Empire seems to be a modern concoction

European visitors to the coast heard more about Benin than they heard about Oyo for the simple reason that Benin was much nearer to the coast and more involved in coastal matters than Oyo was. Oyo was situated in the savanna region, north of the rainforest. Much of its expansionist wars were directed in grassland areas where they could use their cavalry effectively. Areas such as the grassland Aja kingdoms of what in now Benin Republic. Expecting to hear 'Bight of Oyo' would be like expecting to hear 'Bight of Borno'.

As for Oyo Empire being a modern concotion, well that can only be said by someone who has never bothered to look up the primary sources (i.e., contemporary written evidence) of Oyo history.

A good place to start would be Robin Law's compilation of primary sources, "Contemporary Source Material For The History of Old Oyo Empire 1627 to 1824." You can very easily find a pdf online.

A slave trader Archibald Dalzel who lived in the Kingdom of Dahomey in the 1700s also recorded the conquest and subjugation of Dahomey to Oyo authority. This is an eye-witness account. His book is also available online at archive.org if you want to have a look.

Single cities have conquered larger territories than the Bini empire before. Rome. Carthage.

And Benin never conquered the whole SW.

YonkijiSappo:
I think this is where the name Nwosu comes from.

So many Nwosus live with us here in the West.

Are they a persecuted people?

There are many Nwosus who are traditional rulers in the east. Methinks this alone is proof that the name doesn't mean that one is an outcast.

AtaniWarrior:
Yup like all nations that participated in the slave trade, the Aro had their share of slave traders and raiders. The Aro were also were into the palm oil industry, priesthood, diplomatic relations, agriculture etc.

Ohafia/Abam/Ututu mostly came from Isieke Umuahia Ibeku area. The Ohafia/Abam/Ututu communities received a good number of settlers from the present day Cross River State area too. A lot of migrations and wars took place back in the day.

To be honest the present day Abia and Ebonyi state areas are a melting pot of clans of various ethnic origins (particularly the border areas of course). I referred to the general origin of the clans but they are all mixed up.

This question may not be connected to this topic. Do they have Otusi among the non-Igbo in the Cross River area? I heard that the Aro brought the Otusi cult from there, but so till now I see no indication that they have Otusi among the non-Igbos of Akwa-Cross zone.

ruggedized1:
All those are mere traditional rulers. Only the Obi of Onitsha dynasty is the only one recognised even from the time the colonial masters came.

What is obi of oguta? Please remove that nonsense there.


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Mcheew. Echekwa m no mmadu ka mu nia na-akali.

ruggedized1:
What's that nonsense? Please stop insulting us with such rubbish.

Do not be lazy. You have the tools to do your own research at your disposal. Use them. In the days of the four regions, the Eastern Region House of Chiefs had eight first-class kings: The Obi of Onitsha, the Obi of Oguta, the Eze Aro of Arochukwu, the Obong of Calabar, the Amanyanabo of Bonny, the Amanyanabo of Opobo, the Amanyanabo of Kalabari and the Amanyanabo of Nembe.

Eight from the Eastern Region alone. That's why I insist Nigeria has/had more than 10 first-class rulers.

Lilimax:
Biko where is Eze NRI - Obidiegwu Onyesoh

He wasn't even recognised as first class during colonial times. Only the Obi of Onitsha, and perhaps the Obi of Oguta had that distinction east of the Niger.

bakynes:
Yes he is the only popular Monarch in the East but not First Class. I don't classify any monarch as First Class if they never controlled an Empire in the Old days.

In that case, only the Alaafin of Oyo, the Oba of Benin, the Sultan of Sokoto and the Shehu of Bornu are first class. These are the only ones who the history books use 'empire' when talking about their domains.

I am sure there are more than 10 first-class kings in Nigeria.

Nnamdi Azikiwe's son's name is Chukwuma Bamidele Azikiwe. And he isn't even half-Yoruba. Nothing wrong with picking your child's name from another ethnic group.

obaaderemi:
They can't figure us out,hence they resort to burning hatred for yorubas.i still believe what pains them the most is that while they continue to insult yorubas,their transport companies continue to bring bus loads of their able bodied men and women to yoruba cities,towns and villages. they are gradually losing their language to yoruba.my neighbors' kids in ibadan speak yoruba but can't speak igbo.years to come,they'll still be playing catchup. what they struggle to achieve all the time,the Almighty and nature just drop those things into the lap of yorubas.

Please is searching4love Igbo? I want to understand how igbo take enter this matter.

What breed did you try to mate your dog with? It is possible your dog may be a 'breedist' (racist?). I've known some fine-quality-breed dogs that don't go for 'inferior' breeds.

EzePromoe:
"Agwa gi na-ama m" looks cool though I wasn't expecting it from that angle. But whichever dialect has a literal translation to that should be adapted. That's how languages are developed centerally. Chrysler's translation, "atukatagom anya gi" seems perfect to me.

"Atukatagom anya gi" is more like "I have been expecting you" than "I miss you", isn't it?