₦airaland Forum

Threebear:
That's not the reason she was crying. She said Philip called her stupid.

Oh, wow. That's bleeped up.

Make they do nominate that guy. Time to reach house.

Seriously, TBoss got a question wrong and she's beating herself up about it like this, crying like a lover jilted her? What is that?

gerg:
I'm an Ika man and I've been with Igbos from different parts of the East. Many of the things we talk in Anioma (Enuani, Ukwani and Ika) is not easily understood by those guys in the East. Ki ro, Ki do and Nkei, Nke ee and many others. I answer call in the presence of those Easterners. I can't imagine having this debate with someone from Anioma

Okay, there seems to be a miscommunication here, so i will quickly restate my points.

I did not say an easterner will automatically understand ki ro and ki do. I am sure they will not. I only pointed out that easterners don't always say ogini, but say things like K'iyoo which is close to ki ro and ki do.

I maintain that any easterner who does not understand nkei is not grounded in Igbo language. As for nke eh, I can imagine some (or even many) easterners not being able to understand it.

You make calls in front of Igbos and they don't understand you. Of course, I don't expect them to. The linguistic distance between Ika and many Igbo dialects is quite substantial.

Lastly, what started this little argument was my statement that Oshimili is close to what they speak in (parts of) Anambra. I am still here wondering why anyone would want to dispute that.

gerg:
of course, Anambra folks communicate better with you guys than us. that's a fact. I'm not talking about Enuani-Anambra Ika-Anambra similarities but I'm talking about Enuani-Anambra Enuani-Ika relationship.

The N to L like in Ani and Ali and L to R differences you gave is inconsequential. Anybody that understands what Ani means will understand what Ali mean. so also Ekwa and the era example. But the example I gave is more diverse. Somebody that's not from the Anioma (including the Anambra part) can never understand what I mean by Nkei, Nke eh. Only the Anioma axis of Anambra and their neighbors which they influenced will understand this. Which shows it's an Anioma form of speaking. What is it is Ki ro in Ika and Ki do in Enuani as against Ogini used in the East. The Anambra folks don't understand this by default except they've lived among the Aniomas. The Enuani-Anambra relationship is not as deep as the Enuani-Ika relationship. this is just my point. Enuani guys sounds so much like the Anambra on the surface (especially those guys related to Anioma and to some extent those around them) but it's more like Ika and Ukwani than it is to Anambra guys.

Bros, believe me when i tell you that anyone who doesn't code what nkei means does not understand Igbo at all.

Also, not everybody says ogini in the east. I hear many easterners say K'iyoo all the time (a contraction of 'Kee iye o') and this is cognatically related to ki ro and ki do.

gerg:
of course, Anambra folks communicate better with you guys than us. that's a fact. I'm not talking about Enuani-Anambra Ika-Anambra similarities but I'm talking about Enuani-Anambra Enuani-Ika relationship.

The N to L like in Ani and Ali and L to R differences you gave is inconsequential. Anybody that understands what Ani means will understand what Ali mean. so also Ekwa and the era example. But the example I gave is more diverse. Somebody that's not from the Anioma (including the Anambra part) can never understand what I mean by Nkei, Nke eh. Only the Anioma axis of Anambra and their neighbors which they influenced will understand this. Which shows it's an Anioma form of speaking. What is it is Ki ro in Ika and Ki do in Enuani as against Ogini used in the East. The Anambra folks don't understand this by default except they've lived among the Aniomas. The Enuani-Anambra relationship is not as deep as the Enuani-Ika relationship. this is just my point. Enuani guys sounds so much like the Anambra on the surface (especially those guys related to Anioma and to some extent those around them) but it's more like Ika and Ukwani than it is to Anambra guys.

Bros, believe me when i tell you that anyone who doesn't code what nkei means does not understand Igbo at all.

Also, not everybody says ogini in the east. I hear many easterners say K'iyoo all the time (a contraction of 'Kee iye o') and this is cognatically related to ki ro and ki do.

Wow. All those people that were like, "I alone can swing the vote in Gifty's favour; I will give her 4000 votes", what happened?

Igboid:
Lol! And you won't be seeing our good side either when your Igbophobic/ Igalaphilic side rears it ugly head, we would be here to put it in check, So, it's a two way thing. Takes two to tangle, you know.

You don't have a good side. I am used to you the way you are.

Igboid:
Now, this is good.
If only you would sound this way more often.

If tomorrow you people start talking about things you don't know, I will still sound the way you will not like.

gerg:
I disagree with you on Oshimili being closer to how they speak in Anambra than Ika. Anioma ethnics are basically one language with different intonation. Enuani happens to lean more towards Igbos than the others but that doesn't make it closer to them than it is to other Anioma groups.

Take for instance, language formation in all Aniomas are the same. One quick example that came to my mind is the eradication of consonants in the possessive pronoun. and even the ones that retained the consonants is basically similar between all Anioma groups. Please ignore my poor local writing. find if difficult writing some local words. Most Igbos woul say Nke ya for his own but we in Anioma say Nke e. Nke gi is Nkeiii in Anioma. Obum mu (ie, it's me) is Mu do in Enuani and Me ro in Ika. Obuya is Ya do in Enuani, ya ro in Ika. I can go on and on. Language formation in Anioma is basically the same. same words but different intonations. sometimes, it's almost exactly same intonation

It is very easy to pick a perspective and leave out other perspectives. Ika and Enuani do have many similarities due to interrelations and common linguistic influence from Benin, no doubts there.

On the other hand, I can point out many, many points of convergence between Oshimili and Anambra dialects like Idemmili. Even 'nke i' instead of nke gi which you pointed out is common throughout Idemmili area and beyond.

One obvious common trait is that Enuani and Anambra uses n to replace l in Ika. So Enuani and Anambra say Ani and not ali like in Ika, and enu and not elu as in Ika.

Anambra and Enuani also use l to replace r in Ika. So Enuani/Anambra say ala while Ika will say era.

Ika will use e where Anambra and Enuani will use a. Ekwa/Akwa, ekwukwo/akwukwo, ekpa/akpa etc.

I can actually go on and on. I do not believe Anioma is one language like you said because evidence does not suggest so.


Anambra people communicate much more easily with us than they can communicate with Ika folks.

gerg:
Yes. Ika language is obviously closer to Igbo than Edo. but what do you mean by having many lines you can understand? Aint you an Anioma man anymore.

I am Oshimili o, bros. Ika is linguistically distinct from how we speak in Oshimili. We don't automatically understand everything Ika people say. Oshimili is quite close to how they speak in some parts of Anambra.


I like the song sha. I've been singing the parts I understand since yesterday.

Coyotejack:
Hold ur self before u start spreading rumors

Based on body orientations, it is not difficult to figure out what was going on under the sheets.

Ladies and gentlemen, Bisola gave head.

I guess all the noise made by self-righteous Nigerians on the internet over the breast-sucking during the last game got to Big Brother. No more truth or dare.

What Bassey did to Debie hurts. It fucking hurts. A girl doesn't deserve that.

nengibo:
What does the song mean

I don't understand every line, but from what i understand the song is calling on people to rep their land/hometown/village wherever they may be, because one's land is the source of one's existence. Then towards the end he was calling out and hailing prominent Ika people.

nengibo:
Ika language sounds more edoid to me with borrowed igbo words

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfxHP_AHlAk

Language-wise, Ika language is closer to Igbo than to Edo. There are many lines in that song that I understand. I wonder if an Edo person can understand as much as I did.

uckennety:
Maybe we in imo,ebonyi and abia don't know dem and their authority ends in their villages

Yes, I don't dispute that their authorities did not go beyond their towns. But you made it sound like only Agbor and Onitsha had kings. That's the impression I was trying to correct. I agree with your other points.

Oduduwaa:
You are saying this and another igbo guy is saying another..... Which do we believe now?

Believe what you want, braah.

uckennety:
Exactly! D were created by D british colonist as warrant chiefs wch we fought against! Read history too!

As independence came!

D turned to community kings still not respected! As the are not royal blood

D only tribe in igbo land dt v kings are obi of agbor and onitsha apart from them

Others are political appointments/favours

Eze Nri of Agukwu, Eze Nri of Oraeri, Ezeigwe (Obi) of Oguta, Attamaya of Ossomala, Igwe of Atani, Igwe of Nnewi, etc.

All these kingship systems existed in the southeast from precolonial days. They are not 'political appointments/favours'.

Please, there is nothing like Obi of Anioma. That young man there is the Obi of Issele-Uku.

There is nothing like Obi of Igbo. That gentleman there is the Obi of Onitsha.

Nnamdi Azikiwe did not ever say Igbo people came from Edo. He was writing specifically about his hometown Onitsha, not about all Igbos.

SELENAqueensy:
Oga please are u very sure this is true?
When i was leaving in Cally town, i knew TTT very well and he doesn't look like someone that has achieved this much. Was even at his wedding as at 2009, looked very poor. That dude is a pure street guy.

It's a game and everyone wants his/her candidate to win. And so anybody can write this nonsense to make people stop voting for him. But it ain't fair sha.

You guys can also check his facebook page 'Offiong Edet Anthony. Then judging from his pics, the environment he lives in, then tell me again if he looks like someone that has achieved that much.

Thanks, bros. Most people here I don't even understand how they reason, honestly. I don't know if they think a CV is the same as a bank statement. Someone can have a badass CV and still be struggling financially. Many financially-challenged people are walking around in this country with badass CVs and tall credentials.

khena:
She didn't oooooo. If you say it was upside down, then the red shaped L should have been on tor of the blue one.
But it wasn't so, the blue and red shapes were rightly placed and the yellow and green shapes were upside.

It looks like the task is for them to arrange the shapes to form a right-angled triangle (as in the picture shown) regardless of orientation.

Some of them did not get the orientation of the red and blue shapes correctly, but biggie let them go, as long as they got the right-angled triangle shape correct.

This man again *sighs*

Use this talent for wild speculations and spinning fantastic yarns and write some epic fantasy novel na. I will buy.

Probz:
Fair dos about market days but did I not mention omenala, oji, traditional food system, traditional attire, Iwa Ji, etc.?

But what is Omenala? Is every element of Omenala the same in Awka and Eha Amufu? Do they have exactly the same festivals, dances, masquerades, title and secret societies, marriage, burial and widowhood practices?

Food system. Is it the same in all parts of Igboland? Do they eat ofe achara in Udi? Do they eat ukpo mpoto in Afikpo?

Traditional attire. Does the typical Idemmili man dress like the typical Ohafia man, traditionally?

Iwa ji. ChinenyeN has said here that his Ngwa people do not celebrate the New Yam festival.

This is what I am telling you. Before you can talk about using culture to demarcate who is Igbo and who is merely Igboid-speaking, you have to first of all clearly define what you mean by 'Igbo culture'. Then you have to demonstrate that this culture is common to those you call Igbo, but not known to those you call simply Igboid-speaking

So far, it is very easy to show that 'omenala' (a very wide term, by the way), iwa ji, cuisine, traditional attire, etc are not uniform within the Igbo area, rendering the very notion of 'culturally Igbo, and culturally non-Igbo' based on these factors within the Igbo/Igboid-speaking space rather meaningless.

The whole point of this thread was questioning whether Igboid-speaking clans in Delta and Rivers also share these common aspects of Igbo culture or whether they're just seen as Igbo because they speak Igboid languages.

Boss, if you study the cultures of the Igbos of the southeast, you will find that common aspects are actually few. Ozo title is not a common aspect. Ikenga is not a common aspect. Iwa ji is not a common aspect. Red cap with eagle feather is not a common aspect.

Ofo is probably a common aspect. Oji is probably a common aspect too. And so is Ifejioku or Njoku. Now here is the thing: These common factors are also found in the Igboid-groups outside the southeast whom you will tag 'not culturally Igbo'. I actually challenge anyone to produce a single common cultural aspect in the southeast that is absent in the 'Igboid' area of the south-south.

Afam4eva:
I think the earlier we all accepted that these Igbo denials are issues of political convenience rather than history, the better for us.

I also think statements like this one are not accurate in its entirety. I can also say the whole pan-Igbo identity is a matter of convenience rather than history.

Cire80:
Bro, I respect people like you that are honest and argue out of deep personal conviction irrespective of whose ox is gored. I don't know what side you are on this but I'm certain you know the answer to most of these questions you're asking probz. As for me, I'm not completely on any side.

In my opinion, the op is right to some extent but he's trying to argue from an objective angle which I think is not possible in this topic. And his authoritative generalization is another issue.

And all those saying they understand Ukwani and Ika are not being truthful. You understand some things but you can't understand Ika and Ukwani except you've spent some time in an Ika and Ukwani town.

Bro, see eh, this is always going to be a controversial matter. My personal opinion is that there are no objective parameters for clearly delineating Igbo and so-called Igboid. The only 'Igboid' language that language experts believe stands clearly on its own is Ekpeye. The other ones form more or less a single linguistic continuum, with mutual intelligibility declining the further one moves from the centre. By the time one gets to the fringes of this linguistic continuum, one finds that mutual intelligibility with the centre has fallen to the point where communication is either very difficult or even impossible.

Believe me when i tell you that most Igbos from the southeast understand Ukwuani far better than they understand the dialects they speak in Abakiliki or Unwana or Abiriba. The first time i heard people having a shouting conversation in Abakiliki dialect near my aunt's house in Enugu, I thought they were speaking a Northern language (maybe Tiv). It was later that i learnt they were Abakiliki people. But Abakiliki is a dialect and Ukwuani is a language. It is difficult to objectively say why it is so.

Probz was talking about 'culturally Igbo'. What is 'culturally Igbo'? I tried to engage him in that conversation, but I didn't get the feeling that he really wanted to have it, so I dropped it. People often think Eke, Oye (Orie), Afo, Nkwo are some of the quintessential markers of Igbo culture. But the Izi people of Abakiliki don't even have Eke, Orie, Afo, Nkwo. What they have is a five-day arrangement: Ophoke, Azua, Iboko, Okpo and Nkwegu. Can one now say the Izi are not 'culturally Igbo'?

This Igbo-Igboid thing is really a very subjective thing, imo.

At the end of the day, I think I am what you could call a moderate pan-Igboist (I am from Oshimili, btw). While I think we (SErs and Anioma people) can find commom grounds, I do understand and respect the decision of the majority of the Ika, the Ukwuani, the Ikwerre, etc, who insist on maintaining their ethnic distinctness because ethnicity is really about group consciousness (i.e., how people perceive themselves) and not about linguistic and cultural realities.

StupidYorubaFool:
guess the tribe..

Ibibio, Annang or Efik.

eosigwe:
Debie likes Efe, Efe likes Marvis..Kemen likes Tboss, Tboss likes Jon..Bassey likes Uriel, Uriel likes mirrors..some love triangle

Uriel admitted to Debie that she is into Bassey.

Most of the people who enter BB House (Whether BBNaija or BBAfrica or BBBrazil) are people breaking into the entertainment scene.

It has never really been a show for just regular people.

What's all this fuss about who get connect and who no get?

Igboid:
Haven't you been advised to stick to Igala and Anioma history?

Haven't you been advised to stick to Ogidi Anambra history?

Edited: The moment I replied this piece of pettiness from you I regretted it. You are not dumb enough not to see that the original post is nonsense. Should have just ignored your attention-seeking ass.

The point here being that Ikwerre people are descendants of Igbo slaves, and are still angry with Igbo people because of that?

You know the originator of this article doesn't know what he is talking about, right?

Respect, Tubaba!

The choice to be a jailed or even killed hero, or to stay alive and well for your family is yours. You owe Nigerians nothing. The only reason the protest even held at all was because you spoke up. Already you don play your part.