₦airaland Forum

Join the Yorubas? Nay, from a Delta State perspective, I see nobody who is even giving that any thought.

Join the Igbos in Biafra? Uh, opinions within Delta State (even among the Aniomas who share linguo-cultural ties with the Southeast) is very much divided on that.

Delta will probably opt for a third option: Join other south-south states in a Niger Delta Republic.

So I understand this theory is based on the chemical contents of the bronze used in both civilizations.

The geochemist really couldn't think of how that could have been so, except that one people must have come out of the other people?

Hati,

There are big differences between the Igbo claim to Jewishness and the Falasha claim to Jewishness. (Forgive my use of 'Falasha'; I understand it may be considered derogatory.)

The Falashas practise Judaism; Judaism has been their religion for many centuries. Culturally they are steeped in Jewishness.

Igbos on the other hand are a predominantly Christian people, a religion they embraced scarcely a hundred years ago. Before that they were all animists. Igbos who practise Judaism are an insignificant minority, and they only started converting to Judaism like a generation ago.

You are correct that Jewishness is not a genetically-united group, but largely a community of descendants of converted peoples. But Igbo, in my opinion, do not have the long history of being Jewish, are not culturally steeped in Jewishness and do not have nearly enough Judaism-practising people or self-identifying Jews to be acknowledged as Jews the way the Falashas are.

Not really, they didn't. Why would they?

onila:
we sold our people and they lost their culture, our own is worse

The Europeans who were sold by their European brothers to Muslims in Asia and North Africa also lost their culture. Ours isn't worse. There's no difference.

There is no continent that did not at some point in history sell her people.

Stop making it sound like the African slave trade was an aberration in human history.

Practically all of Asia was colonised, Japan being the notable exception. China was kinda semi-colonised.

Colonization isn't the only cause of poverty, but it is a very big part of the problem.

Also note that even countries that were not officially colonised by the Europeans were mercilessly exploited through other means. Liberia for instance. On paper it says 'never colonised'. But the country was practically being run by the American Firestone company.

It doesn't mean anything other than being from the landmass (and its islands) called Africa by geographers.

Interesting.

That drawing of Ani though.

Sanchez01:
I can't believe someone just said this. The Oyo Yoruba is regarded as the real Yoruba language and the Lagos Yoruba is regarded as perverted with some slings that are considered unorthographic, according to the Yoruba orthography of 1967.

I was born in the South West and dedicated a whole of my time into studying the Yoruba language at some point in time. And before you bring up a rebuttal, you need to listen to the likes of the late Gbenga Adeboye who shared the typical Yoruba in his comedies.

The problem here is that you're confusing Standard Yoruba with 'Old Yoruba' ( whatever that means.)

Oyo Yoruba is the basis of Standard Yoruba. This doesn't in any way make it 'original' Yoruba or the 'correct' Yoruba. Any dialect could have been chosen to serve as the basis for the Standard. The lot fell on Oyo because the spread and fame of the Oyo Empire had conferred prestige on the dialect. As a matter of fact, Oyo is relatively a young dialect, based on information now known to linguistics. The dialects spoken in the eastern axis of Yorubaland contain older forms of the language that have undergone change in the Oyo area.

Oh dear dear dear....


57 years after independence and we are still prisoners of the racist Hamitic hypothesis.

Really? No source? No linguistic or archaeological or written or verifiable oral evidence advanced? Just this?

Was fiancee okay with it? Yes? Then no, it is not disrespectful.

If the dad left the girls something in the will, then your friend has a case. She can go to the lawyers.

If however there's no will, or there is one but the dad left everything for the boys, then sorry for her. Lawyers won't be able to help.

When you say slaves were taken from the 'Igbo lands to the east' I want to believe you meant the Igbonas (Igbominas).

Seriously, no space in all of Ibadan except a motorway?

I don't know anything about American Law, but those seem like very lengthy terms for non-violent crimes.

OkoNDOoBo:
bro please can u pls post the screen shots of the word oyibo/oibo I tried but I didn't get it

If it's for big francis' benefit, you probably shouldn't bother. Once he finds an opinion he likes he sticks to it no matter what.

Did you notice in his reply to my explanation of 'oga' he says "I guess that settles it for now."

'For now'? He's not yet convinced. He'll just let the matter slide for now, then come back tomorrow and continue arguing.

Just leave him alone.

OkoNDOoBo:
good job bros at least the source u quoted is not from a millineum blog site called db chambers.
please the word oyinbo can we get that too from the dictionary in order to put an end to this debate thanks

Oyibo (Oibo) is in all three dictionaries that I posted the links to.

What is this detailed fact? Is this your detailed fact published academic evidence? The last time I checked none of your cohorts was able to provide concrete evidence other than personal nuances.

From CMS's 1913 dictionary....

What is this detailed fact? Is this your detailed fact published academic evidence? The last time I checked none of your cohorts was able to provide concrete evidence other than personal nuances.

From Bowen's 1858 dictionary...

What is this detailed fact? Is this your detailed fact published academic evidence? The last time I checked none of your cohorts was able to provide concrete evidence other than personal nuances.

I can't seem to be able to comment on this thread unless I quote somebody. Odd.

Anyway...

Relevant screenshots from Crowther's 1852 dictionary(showing the verb-root 'ga' and the noun 'oga'.

bigfrancis21:
You would have a very valid point if you are able to come up with an early Yoruba dictionary, written preferably pre-colonization era where 'oga' is listed in the dictionary. This would lend credence to your point of view.

I await.

Is the 1850s precolonial enough?

1. Vocabulary of Yoruba by Crowther. 1852: https://archive.org/details/vocabularyofyoru00crow

2. Grammar and Dictionary of Yoruba by TJ Bowen. 1858: https://archive.org/details/grammardictionar00bowerich

3. And just as a bonus this one from the early next century, The Dictionary of the Yoruba Language by the CMS. 1913 : https://archive.org./stream/DictionaryOfTheYorubaLanguage/A_Dictionary_of_the_Yoruba_Language_djvu.tx

All three dictionaries contain the word 'oga' (which means a master, a distinguished person, one who is exalted, etc); and they all also contain the verb-root 'ga' (which means high, to exalt, etc) from which the word 'oga' is formed. One familiar with Yoruba (and even other West African languages for that matter) will be familiar with the tendency for nouns to be formed from certain verb-roots, usually by adding 'o', or sometimes another vowel in front of the verb-root. Thus 'oku' (corpse) is formed from the verb-root 'ku' ( die), and 'obe' (knife) is from the verb-root 'be' (cut). 'Oga' in the same fashion is quite simply from the verb-root 'ga', and is an authentic pre-Colonial, pre-English Yoruba word.

Oh my God, who fished out this thread? The Somali troll has been silent for a while; are you trying to bring him back?

He didn't confirm it. He said he saw it in a book. Probably the book you authored. So congratulations to you; you have a high-profile near-convert.

Largest ethnic group in Africa?

2017?

You people can either choose to remain ignorant about the state of African linguistics, or you can dare to be informed and read serious linguistics studies done by linguists who know their stuff (not starry-eyed Middle-Easterner wannabes.)

If you choose to be informed, you can start with obtaining this book written with non-linguistics experts in mind:

https://books.google.com.ng/books?id=OiynbBvMblcC&pg=PA201&lpg=PA201&dq=Bolaji+Aremo+How+Igbo+and+Yoruba&source=bl&ots=m65orhajhx&sig=YJRhHqRtI0m7ecAmyqdRuWoHwLo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiivKGY7vvTAhUJfxoKHQC2C0YQ6AEIMTAO#v=onepage&q=Bolaji Aremo How Igbo and Yoruba&f=false

igbodefender:
You can take it from me that the repudiation flowed spontaneously out of a wellspring of righteous indignation at the deleterious influence of prejudices and fossilized worldviews on what should ordinarily be refined scholarly discourse.

I have never been a big fan of linguistic affectation.

What are you compensating for?

You sound like all those, "I lift my golden pen from the basket of love blah blah blah ocean of well-being blah doxology" letters I used to see in our maid's drawers in the '80s/'90s.

OMANBALA1:
Make a list ,oga.

Osademe, Osakuni, Osakwe, Osamali, Osamezu, Osaneke, Osanweonye, Osanweuwa, Osayem, Oseamaka, Oseninisu, Osedum, Osejindu, Oseka/Oliseka, Osekeni, Osekwene, Osemeni, Osenyemba, Oseyemeke, Oseyeni, Oseyenum, et cetera et cetera.

OMANBALA1:
In facct,we have more Osakwe which means Olisa kwelu in Omanbala than they have in Anioma.

W have more Olisa names than Anioma..

Doubtful. Can't dispute the presence of Osa and Ose names in Anambra, but they they don't have them more than Anioma.

igbodefender:
Lol. I also find some of your conclusions on Igbo history abhorrently absurd due to their repulsive, deepseated, Chamberlainic and velociraptor-like insularity, their apparent intolerance, condescending appearance and short and turned up substance delivery as elucidated by certain outlandish exagerations which you have obviously plucked out of the realms of outlandish fantasy.

The obdurate worldview that sustained the notion that the world was flat when it eventually turned out it was always round should be reproved without apologies whenever it seeks to stultify human progress and the exchange of ideas and truth. But then, freedom of thought and speech are your right, Bruv.

All the thesaurus-sourced words ain't gonna make you sound more intellectual, mate. Sit down.