₦airaland Forum

igbodefender:
ChinenyeN is that you?

Funny. You think Chinenye is the only one who finds most of your conclusions on Igbo history absurd?

Probz:
Your moniker no be igbodefender for nothing, clearly. Why don't you go ahead and claim Itsekiri and Hausa? Have they all got ancient links to Agukwu Nri?

Hausa and Itsekiri are too close. Igbodefender has gone international. Mozambicans, Zambians, all the Bantu people, in short; plus the Japanese are Igbo.

Sike:
please how do you say "do you understand" in Igbo?

"I ghotaa." Or "I ghotago." Or "I ghotala."

Wait, so this is not a joke? They're actually making a Wedding Party Part 2?!

*vigorous eyeroll*

kjhova:
Similarity in languages, words and cultural practices may be assumed to be evidence of oneness of two cultures at some point in their history, however, there is evidence of dissimilar cultures sharing remarkable similarities e.g. the the English "No" (I.e. a negative response) is similar to the Hindi "Nei". No one has yet suggested that British peoples migrated from the banks of the Granges nor have I heard that the Thames river in time past.

While I do share your premise, which is that there are no concrete evidence that link the Yoruba or southern Nigerian groups in general with the Middle East, your Hindi-English example is not a good one.

It has been known to linguists since at least the 18th century that such Asian languages as Hindi, Persian, Afghanistani (Pashto), etc are related to most European languages (English, German, Italian, Russian, etc). They are all collectively called the Indo-European languages.

The ancestors of Hindi speakers were therefore related to the ancestors of English speakers and entered Northern India some 4,500 years ago where they met and mingled with the ancestors of the Dravidians.

The indigenous languages of the Dravidians, such as the Tamil language (which are still spoken in South India) are very distinct from Hindi, and does not share these similarities which we observe between Hindi and European languages.

igbodefender:
How about the language, how is it endangered or are they doing their best to keep it active?

Language is still alive. Some historically Olukumi villages no longer speak the language and have made a switch to Igbo.

9jakool:
Thanks! Anioma is an interesting place.
I forgot to ask...
Do they identify as Igbo? I heard a lot of them speak Igbo and their language is endangered. Their original language is very close to Eastern Yoruba dialects especially from Owo-Ondo area.

Like I said they identify as Olukumi. They are able to speak Igbo (Aniocha variety) and bear Igbo names, but their identity is Olukumi.

Olu317:
I will not engage you on this matter. I advise you to read more from a writer, Chief G B Nkemnacho, who has done tremendous work on this people's history. OLUKUMI DOESN'T MEAN “ FRIEND". I rest my case

LOL. It is better you rest your case, sir. Apparently you haven't even read anything Chief Nkemnacho or other Olukumi greats like Temofeh have written about Olukumi.

This link is a description of Chief Nkemnacho's unpublished book written by the man's son U. George-Nkemnacho on the Olukumi. Please read what is says there about the meaning of Olukumi and continue resting your case.

http://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/the-history-of-the-olukumi-people-in-nigeria

9jakool:
I know the Olukumi are Anioma politically and geographically. I know they migrated during the Benin empire and traces their origin to parts of Ondo state. Since you are Anioma, how do they identify?

The ones I know identify simply as Olukumi. They are aware of their Yoruba heritage, but I haven't met any of them that identifies as Yoruba. They just say they are Olukumi.

igbodefender:
Africa was named after the Roman official Scipio Africanus.

Incorrect. It was exactly the other way around, i.e, the Roman officer was named after Africa. It was customary among the Romans for victorious generals to be given names or assume honorifics after the countries they defeated in war.

Scipio defeated Carthage (in Africa) and was granted the honorific 'Africanus'.

Other Roman generals had honorifics like Germanicus (from Germany), Britannicus (from Britain), etc, indicating the nations they conquered.

Olu317:
My dear, Oluku mi, possibly mean friend in part of the places you mentioned though “OLU" have different meanings,depending on the mark of accent. There is also, OLU likened to mushroom, especially the ones been poison-less eaten by Yorubas. However, a settlement coined and called Olukumi doesn't mean “friend" because Yoruba named most settlement after the situation, Noble lineage, Chiefly , or leader of such settlement especially if he is linked to kingly blood. This is because, people do venture into different settlement for subjugation purposes and once the name of such place is mentioned with nobility, the place will be sheltered from being invaded from Yoruba Soldiers on espionage or expeditions . It is important to note that the meaning of the settlement of Yoruba people in anioma axis of Delta state can't be friend. I will advice you to read more about Olukumi/Olukunmi (the later is supposed to be right pronunciation). The Anioma people usually refer to them Olukwumi or something close to it. The “Kwu" Sound exactly “Kun" in Yoruba. Don't forget the fact that even OGBORU of Delta is a descendant of Odua from LAJAMASIN (daughter ) . So, that axis had Yoruba noble lineage lived there at one time or the other. The Civil war in BINI around 14th—15th centuries did made some Yoruba settlements move out of BINI to these different locations .

No settlement is called Olukumi. It is the people who are called Olukumi. Their settlements have named like Ukwunzu, Ugbodu, etc. You, perhaps, are the one that needs to read more about Olukumi. It's not today I started reading about and meeting them. I am Anioma, and the Olukumi people exist in my backyard.

Olukumi in this context means exactly what I have told you it means.

igbodefender:
O lukwu mu.

igbodefender:
Olukumi has its own meaning in Igbo language. Even the Igbo meaning of Ugbo is farm. Farmwork in Igbo land is called Olu Ugbo (ask anyone). If anyone has facts to dispute the inherent closeness of Igbo and Yoruba that stretches into history, let him post it here.

What does Olukumi mean in Igbo language?

Olu317:
Olukumi doesn't mean companion or friend. But “to be added unto ",it has “OLU" in it and it is strictly for lineage of KINGS in the olden days. You need to get acquainted with Yoruba names bore by different categories of ancient Yorubas. And also names given at birth as well other situation in ancient Yoruba land.

Oluku means friend in the Eastern Yoruba dialects (Owo-Ekiti-Ijesa area). Oluku mi is my friend.

Do these traditional rulers listen to themselves when they talk sometimes? Sounding like little children making empty brags: "Our generator is bigger than your own. Our TV is bigger than your own. My daddy's car is finer than yours."

Who gives a crap? Is that what will bring development to Ugbo people?

MayorofLagos:
Sensing that resentment, Chinua Achebe, who schooled in Ibadan and familiar with story of Moremi and the Ugbos was the first to attempt a revision and claimed that both the East and the Ugbo referred in Ife history is Iboland and that the name Ibo is actually wrong, his people should hencefort be called Igbo.

You completely made this up and you know it.

Ogbemudia was Bini. His mum was the one who was from Igbanke. I thought this clarification had been made many times on this forum.

And it is always Ibibios and Efiks complaining about this stealing, abi na hijacking.

The actual innovators (the Ejaghams) no dey talk o.

Nigerians always getting worked up over unnecessary shii.

Alake? Is the Alake among the Obas that received a crown from Oduduwa?

And if we are ranking 'Kings in Yorubaland', what is Oba of Benin doing there? Is Benin in Yorubaland?

Just why is it so hard for some of you people to accept that this was an arrangement whose purpose was to enable childless women have children of their own through other women, and not a homosexual relationship?

The practice was not even limited to Igboland, and was reported among other people in the early days of colonialism.

Here is a report from 1910 indicating that it existed among the Ekiti and some of their neighbours.

Source: Tribes, Provinces, Emirates and States of the Northern Provinces of Nigeria edited by C. L. Temple.

OPCNAIRALAND:
If a woman is unable to bear child with a man the solution does not rest in intimacy with a woman. She needs sperm, woman does not produce sperm.

What other excuse do you have?

Who told you this type of marriage necessarily involved intimacy between the 'woman-husband' and the wife?

A woman wants a child, but can't have one. She goes and marries a younger woman. She enters into an agreement with a man to impregnatldren for her. That's how it worked. It's basically an early form of surrogacy.

"You and I shouldn't be like them. We should be game changers."

That was the only sense in the whole thread.

fratermathy:
Even after the eastern gods of war were appeased, the thread was still hijacked! A testimony to many facts...

LOL.

Kambuziya:
Congrats! Yep they are the Onge and Jarawa. Can you see them passing in West or Central Africa?

I really think there's something distinctive about their looks. If I saw a group of them in Lagos or Asaba, they'll surely stick out. But that's just my opinion.

Andaman Islanders.

His crown looks like the one I have seen on the Eze Aro of Arochukwu. Are those leopard teeth too?

Aba is a large town filled with strangers, right in the middle of Ngwaland. Daily, people pour into Aba's market from all over Igboland and even from places like Port Harcourt and Ikot Ekpene. They travel through Ngwa villages to get to the market.

Stories of missing visiting market people and discovered human bones should be much more common if these stories are true.

The classification places Akoko in the South East Yoruba (SEY) category. How?

Akoko language (or Akokoid languages) is not even Yoruboid.

Seriously Fratermathy, you let these people bully you into editing your original post and removing 'Ika', 'Ikwerre' and 'Ukwuani'?

Smh.

I doubt it was just war and disease. I suspect other forceful actions like government-sponsored mass deportation to other South American countries, and even government-sponsored direct genocide.

There's an interesting theory that the knot has Christian origins and was adapted from North African cross styles (i.e., Coptic cross styles).

http://newsrescue.com/the-northern-knot-the-arewa-insignia-is-actually-of-christian-northern-origins/