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The 14th-century philosophical scholar, Ibn Khaldun, regarded in the West as one of the greatest philosophers to ever come out of the Muslim world wrote:

"the Black nations are, as a rule, submissive to slavery, because (Blacks) have little that is (essentially) human and possess attributes that are quite similar to those of dumb animals"


Medieval Arab writer Al-Muqaddasi (c. 945/946 - 1000) wrote:

"As for the Zanj, they are people of black color, flat noses, kinky hair, and little understanding or intelligence. We know that the Zanj (blacks) are the least intelligent and the least discerning of mankind, and the least capable of understanding the consequences of actions."


I would be lying to myself if I deny I don't see these manisfestations!

More about highly and richly funded universities.

Top 10 universities by income per full-time equivalent student 2010-11 (£k)

1.) Cambridge 65.84
2.) Imperial 48.82
3.) Oxford 46.82
4.) UCL 37.61
5.) Edinburgh 27.77
6.) LSE 26.24
7.) KCL 25.87
8.) Bristol 23.74
9.) Liverpool 23.47
10.) Warwick 22.17

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/sep/24/university-inequality-income-resources-unfair

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]it was a typing error but yours is clearly not typing error. it expresses your form of day-to-day speech.[/quote]You are a person!

It was a pronunciation spelling of an illiterate!

F00028: decimating or wiping out subdued populations (especially non western) is what the western civilisation is notorious for.

That is absolute rubbish!

Although I can not think of any civilisation that takes it as a course of action to wipeout subdued populations, since every civilisation has its rational population. But if I was to think of the number of cases of decimating sub-dued populations, which should mostly be more attributed to individual leaders' philosophy rather than to the civilisation itself, then I would put the islamic population upper the list than Western ones. Topping the list would be the Mongols with Ghenghis Khan's brutality.

Even though, as I said, decimation of subdued populations should mostly be more attributed to individual leaders' philosophy rather than to the civilisation itself, it must not be forgotten that the some civilisations are completedly dominated by the philosophy and ideology of a singular person, e.g. Islamic civilisation and Muhammed. The western civlisation has no dominant personality.

My approach to critiquing the decimation of subdued population will involve developing a quadrant with one axis stating the number of cases per victory vs another axis with the level/intensity of impact of an individual leader's philosophy on the civilisation.

F00028: they now had machines! they suddenly didn't need all those nig...i mean..africans by the ship load any more

BS!

Abolitionism started in the 16th century (mid 1700), was intense and unpopular by the early 1800s (already banned across Europe) and slavery was abandoned in the last bastion (USA) by the mid 1800s.

The technological industrial revolution was mostly established in the late 1800s and early 1900s.

This point is tosh. Hard labour was still a big factor in the western world by the time slavery was abolished. After that, for example, poor white people were still going down mines with their kids, working their butts off in tough conditions and dying like rats from hard labour. It was the increased civilisation of the society mixed with religion that ended the slavery, not technological industrial revolution.

Slavery would have even ended earlier than that but powerful people in society had invested heavily in it. It is a difficult message to tell people to destroy their "assets" (which they paid money for) without any compensation and pauperise themselves. There were even many slave owners that felt slavery was wrong but could not stop it without facing the rash realities of poverty. That was what made it exist longer than the early 1800s. They fought a fcking war over the abolition of slavery well before the technological industrial revolution ffs!

F00028: those 6 million jews were not fighting. they were non combatants herded in to concentration camps and murdered in cold blood. 6 million! but now that i come to think of it even 60,000 is dramatic enough to make the point.

This is pure bollocks!

You want to use a singular lunatic's action that the whole of the West fought tooth and nail as a representation of the West?

Don't come to me with such BS again.

If Muslims were doing the same (i.e. they are the ones fighting the actions of their lunatics like they did in Libya recently), the reputation of Islam would not be in the doldrums internationally as it is today.

F00028: technological advancement, sure but at what expense. they have social decay and violent crimes: rapes, murders, paedophilia,
take the u.s for instance:

16,204 murders a year

9,369 murders with firearms in one year

2,019,234 prisoners and this has increased since 2002

95,136 rapes per year

420,637 robberies per year

11,877,218 total crimes per year

-https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html
-The Eighth United Nations Survey on Crime Trends and the Operations of Criminal Justice Systems (2002) (United
Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)
-UNICRI (United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute). 2002. Correspondence on data on
crime victims. March.
-The Eighth United Nations Survey on Crime Trends and the Operations of Criminal Justice Systems (2002) (United
Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)
-52 UNICRI (United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute). 2002. Correspondence on data on
crime victims. March.

More selective tosh!

So tell me the crime figures in UK, Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Holland, Belgium, Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland, Ireland, Italy, Canada etc.

Or is the USA the sole representation of "Western"?

So how come this "backward civilisation", as you see it, is the one that attracts migrants? How come they are not heading to Arabia? Where do YOU live yourself?

Don't give me tosh!

F00028: "The Prophet of Islam placed great emphasis upon religious and scientific studies, thus, Islam’s conquerors, rulers, rapidly established the madrasa scholastic system in whatever land they controlled. This was the first institution installed after Salahideen’s re-conquest of Jerusalem. He regarded it as greater import than the mosques.

Without the madrasas, Salahideen realized, Islam would fail to be revived. During the 7th century Caliph ‘Umar ordered the construction of madrasas throughout the Islamic Empire."

No doubt!

That said, any theocracy or intense religious environment where there is little tolerance for anti-clericalists would always be progressively and innovatively constrained.

It does not matter what the theocracy is, be it Islam, Xtianity, Judaism, Buddhism whatever. Religion is the art of people reluctant to use their brain to understand issues and succumbing to some mythical explanation and precedence (i.e. utter BS). People and environments like that are less likely to develop or enable development compare to those that are full of or led by free-thinkers where leadership is based on competence and merit.

Go and read Niall Ferguson's "Civilization: The West and the Rest" where he explained how the West was able to overtake the world.

He identified the presence of the following as the six competitive advantage they had over the rest:

- Science
- Democracy
- Free-market competition
- Medicine
- Consumerism
- Work ethic

This same model is now being adopted in Asia and they are on a path to overtake the West!

Lets look at another example, Northern Nigeria is practicing theocratic education, Southern Nigeria is practicing Western education. Nuff said!

F00028: nothing even close to your western “civilization” even at the height of their power. and if you want a religion spread by the sword, it’s called ‘christianity’. your criticism is misdirected. we can compare notes if you like.

Historically, not even close, not because of their lack of will, it was lack of capability and the fact that their reputation for brutality results in unchallenged submission.

Today, some minority lunatics have submachine guns to replace the swords to spread their religion. Although the sword occasionally still becomes useful when they behead people to make "a symbolic statement". These minority lunatics in the 21st century are islamist.

F00028: yes. that's what I am saying

BS!!!

If you believe a civilisation known for wiping out whole towns after surrender will not do the same if they had powers, then keep dreaming.

F00028: no slavers in history can match the barbarity of the european slavers, from the traders down to the owners even with all their civilization and so called “religion of love” values.
if not for the industrial revolution they may still be taking slaves today.

No innovative society can match the Western society. Why?

Because they lacked the capability.

Simile! Abi na Sumaila I should say.

So how did the industrial revolution restrict them and stop slavery?

F00028: 60 million dead people was the result due to their deliberate actions and regardless of their motivation. that is not something you can overlook when consideration the merits of any “civilization”.

What a stewpid assertion!

People are fighting, so what did you expect? One party should not kill another party trying to kill it? They should say "59,999,999 people are dead, so I will not kill you"?

Don't waste my time with such senseless arguments!

F00028: you forget wole soyinka's warning: History matters. Records are not kept simply to assist the weakness of memory, but to operate as guides to the future...

will do…soon as I clear my desk.

The western civilisation is better than Islamic civilisation in history and in, MORE IMPORTANTLY, present day.

Hundreds of leading companies in Western countries' CEOs and Chairmen's top 10 UK universities based on their employment preferences:

UK Rank) University (World rank)

1.) Cambridge (4th)
2.) Oxford (8th)
3.) UCL (12th)
4.) Imperial (14th)
5.) KCL (22th)
6.) Edinburgh (29th)
7.) Nottingham (31st)
8.) LSE (40th)
9.) Birmingham (55th)
10.) Durham (70th)

Universities in my top 10 that missed out: Bristol [15, 122nd], Warwick [12, 92nd] and St Andrews [-, -]


Top 10 (World)

1.) Harvard
2.) Stanford
3.) Yale
4.) Cambridge
5.) Columbia
6.) Northwestern
7.) MIT
8.) Oxford
9.) HEC Paris
10.) Chicago

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2011/10/20/education/20iht-SReducEmploy20-graphic.html?ref=education


All the 22 UK and US universities in the list's World Top 30 are universities in my "Hot Group 1a and above" list. Only after the Top 30 do you start seeing "Hot Group 1b" universities in the list, starting with Nottingham.

https://www.nairaland.com/141689/rough-guide-best-most-reputable/4#5905180

Gaggi: My sympathies.

Now, why should anybody be shouting do u knw who i am? That is so annoying and we are fond of name dropping in this country. All u need to do is kindly identify yourself. U don't need to be insultive at these people, it only makes them madder. We know that these people are already a dejected and frustrated bunch and are looking for whom to take their frustrations on.

Again, it is impossible to see soldiers, police and man'o'war in a joint task force. It is an insult to the military. You won't even find a police and soldier task force except the JTF. We all know that JTF is a serious task force that wouldn't resort to such petty things.

Lastly, women should dress decently especially in Abuja. That city is being overtaken by who.res and there is need to weed them out. It is unfortunate though that the task force is going about it in an uncivilized manner.

They are very serious at shooting everything that moves.

Very serious in extrajudicial killings.

F00028: those same westerners that left europe, went to america, killed off the natives,

I am sure the Arabs themselves killed of several people during their spread of Islam.

F00028: kidnapped millions of your black ancestors for forced labour?

Are you saying if it was another racial group that had the kind of western powers during that era, they would not do the same thing?

Tell me which civilisation did not take slaves. Name them.

Even the holy Muhammed took slaves. The only leading religious icon that did that.

Or is it only if "it is my black ancestors" being servituded that it matters? You think I have such an under-developed mind of "our own"?

Did Islamic Arabs not take black slaves?

F00028: the west that gave us two "world wars" , 60,000,000 people dead (a lot of them non westerners)?

that west

You mean they planned to kill themselves?

They woke up in the morning and thought "lets kill ourselves"? Lets pile it up and destroy our economies.

Cut this lame arguments.

Cut the BS history. Look at the modern day. Their history and their modern day are better than the Islamic one.

Till today, they are more humane and civilised than Arab/Islamic civilisation.

They are more socially, technologically and judicially advanced than Arab/Islamic civilisation.

ominid1: WILL YOU JOIN A NATIONWIDE PROTEST AGAINST THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IN NIGERIA? IT HAS HAPPENED IN TUNISIA, THE EGYPTIANS MODIFIED IT, THE ALGERIAN'S ARE ITCHING FOR A CHANGE. IT APPEARS THE DAWN OF A PROTEST AGAINST THE SEEMINGLY INCOHERENT EMPLOYMENT POLICIES OF ALL GOVERNMENT IN NIGERIA HAS COME.

WE CAN ADVISE THEM BETTER.

WHATS UR TAKE?

What a useless and senseless protest proposal!

So when you go on the streets all of a sudden, whahlaaa, employment levels will increase?

You are better off going on the streets and protesting against:

- Corruption (including legal corruption like legislators allowances)
- The lack of will by the Gorilla President to charge corrupt people to court (e.g. Halliburton, Safra)
- Lack of transparency in public investments (Nigeria is one of the few countries where buying things wholesale actually cost more than buying things one at a time by a mulitple of 3+)
- The soft sentences and long trial processes for corrupt people that lead to cases dying

Start with those and see how drastically your country will change! See how unemployment would improve in the long run.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]are you seriously so childish? na wa!

i am talking about grammer here, MUMU. your sentence structure is inappropriate.[/quote]What is grammer?

I know about grammar and grimmer, but what is grammer?

Did I not tell you that you were a product of a failed education system?

But you will come online and be making silly boasts about educational achievements you do not have.

Grammer (sic)!

GenBuhari: Sagamite you are making my point for me, the Nigerian budget was so small how can Abacha with all he was doing manage to embezzle any money and still live $9billion more reserve than he met?

You are a person!

You are too daft to comprehend the argument!

It is irresponsible, if not impossible, for a poor country spend a large fraction of wealth on another country's war. That shows you it must have been an avenue of LOOTING!

Inflated contracts! Lack of accountability and transparency!

$9Bn in savings while paying lecturers N5000 per month? While the country was in total economic downturn? You are immensely stewpid!

Chongaiman: @GenBuhari
Your ability to put forth your arguments with maturity and without resorting to name-calling is commendable. Same cannot be said for some posters here.

Give him a nobel peace prize then.

Anuofia!

F00028: so the western way is better? its system of government, legal system, financial system, etc?
(the youruba civilisation is defunct. it doesn't count.)

Yep!

[quote author=ekt_bear]Pakistan oil?[/quote]He is a product of a failed education system. He just vomited that rubbish without much thinking because he wanted to say he spoke too.

[quote author=ekt_bear]Debatable...certainly as far as science and stuff goes, we were far behind the Arabs/Persians/Turks. In what way would you say that we were superior up to say 1900AD?[/quote]I don't think it is the theocracy that brought about their science stuff, that is just coincidental.

Yoruba civilisation was better because it was less barbaric, provided avenues for leadership based on merit, provided more balance of gender power and had a distributed power system (quasi-democratic).

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]what are you talking about stu.pid man i never even referred to capital letters! [/quote]So you admit you are a person that does not know you capitalise the start of sentences but yet claims to be "highly edducated"?

Which dilapidated Nigerian school failed you?

GenBuhari: $10billion over 5 years

A country with probably less than $15bn a year in annual budget is spending $2bn a year on a war that adds nothing to its economy?

person, you believe that? Even if you did, you think that is good governance?

Mental patient!

deshclones: O boy find the thread nah...shey na u dey find am...go collect am nah...old arsed man behaving like a kid..d only 35yr old dat takes pics in reflected lifts...phew..go tk ur medications like ur other half callotti...I talk to reasonable peeps..not some deranged 35yr old.

person!

So I humiliated you enough to the point you begged Seun to delete it?

ROFLMAO!!!

Okay, you are now my epic story for intellectual slaughtering.

GenBuhari: ^ Yes, he actually left our reseves $9billion higher than he found it

He was prosecuting wars in Sierra Leone and Liberia costing $10billion

He was facing sanctions from the West

He must have been a magician to have also managed to steal money especially when oil was selling at only $9 per barrel.

Cretinous person!

A country with an annual budget of $29Bn dollars in 2002, hence far less in 1993-8, would be funding a war costing $10bn dollars in another country that has no direct benefit to its own country?

Psychotic cretin!

Maybe the war costs $1bn and the unaccountable thieves stamped $10bn on it to loot crazy!

Fcking mooron!

Mental patient.

deshclones: Hahahahaha...stop hallucinating man...u r definitely skipping ur medications man...moreover u tk NL way too serious nd its affecting ur lil sense of reasoning...Arrow

You are a person!

Where is the thread you were asking if you should date a girl because she has a third class?

The thread you were lambasted like a pure person.

[quote author=ndu_chucks]It seems to me as if any generalization should require the exhibition by a majority, of the acts or behavior being generalized. To take the behavior or a minute number of muslims or christians to conclude that any of these religions is evil, or its practitioners are evil, is actually senseless and possibly bigoted[/quote]Good point!

But make no mistake: the majority have for years been silent on the behaviour of the minority as a sign of passive support or they give excuses to justify the behaviours of the minority as a sign of defending their own, instead of outright condemnation.

Hence, as long as the minority are justifying their actions from the holy book used by the majority and the majority REFUSE to correct/condemn them, the majority cannot abjugate themselves from the values espoused by the minority.

No one is targeting muslims. Muslims are the cause of their own fate and international reputation.

F00028: Islam is more than just a religion. its a complete integral system, guidence from God for every facet of human existence but you say that's all absolute tosh!

-fine. what do you have that's better?

As a religion, in my view, Islam is the most inferior out of all major religions purely because of its intolerance and violence.

As a civilisation, it has been said that the Western civilisation is superior to the Islamic one, I could not concur more to that statement.

Even Yoruba civilisation was better.

deshclones: Same way your entire life is a mistake...just get a rope and a squeaky chair and end it...spare us your folly..

You are a person!

You yourself know you are dumb by now, you can't deny it.

I can see you have even been asking for your old topics to be deleted because you realised how dumb you are.

Abagworo: That was a statement by the nephew of one of the 4 Ogoni chiefs murdered by Saro Wiwa's squad. That was the information forced into the head of Nigerians then that made people hate Abacha. A lot of people believe he killed Kudirat and stole 5billion Dollars. Where did Nigeria get 5billion Dollars when oil was selling below 11 Dollars and he still had reserves of over 7billion Dollars and PTF projects. That's funny to me.

Amsorry?

So where did the billions of dollars found in foreign accounts being given to Nigeria come from?

The western banks just felt like dashing Nigeria?

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]^^^wow you are thick skulled.[/quote]Only a poorly educated person would think someone is thick skulled for saying you begin sentences with capital letters.

Which dilapidated Nigerian school failed you?

deshclones: Tell me about it bro....seems you talking outta of experience.

You are a person!

Your brain is worthless!

F00028: the question is still unanswered.
what's a better way? a better system, religion...whatever?

Better system than what?

cjrane: At the peak of fuel scarcity in 2001,i observed a bunch of soldiers trying to bring order in a filling station where there was a free for all fight over limited fuel,with some threatening to throw a burning cigarette at the area with a bunch of 50 liters fuel jerrycans.The soldiers succeeded,but had injured many people.But they justified their force by saying if the man with the cigarette had lit the place as he had promised to do,everyone would not just be bruised but dead.That is somewhat related to what Abacha did for Nigeria.He didn't annul the June 12th elections,but he had to keep the country from slipping into a Sierra-Leone type of civil war,in which many many more would have perished.

@ Sagamite,

It is a waste time to join issues with an slowpoke.However, History is history.You don't even know your history,but blinded by primordial hatred for a man that did his best to hold his country together.Abacha had to be a firm and decisive leader so that Nigeria would not disintegrate.The same thing you guys criticize GEJ for not being firm on national issues.
By benefit of hindsight,Abacha was a great leader whether you are blinded by tribal emotions or not.All the issues he proposed to do before his death,from national reconciliation and issue of power rotation, which was thrown out of the window by Obasanjo out of hatred for the man that jailed him are the only solution to Nigeria's crisis today.I concede he made mistakes by thinking he was the only person that could nurture the birth of nascent Nigeria, but judged against what others who came after him did, Abacha was a true patriot and wanted Nigeria to succeed.

You are a person!

A cretinous product of a failed education system!

No 1, so what the soldier did was right?

You are a cretin!

No 2, so Abacha needed to kill people and steal $5bn to keep the country together?

You are a FOOOOOL!

GenBuhari: @Sagamite
Most of my assertions are backed up by hard evidence, sources and research.

Can you say the same for your posts?

Backed up if one is a mental patient!

Psychotic cretin!

deshclones: hoohohoho..and the drunk jobless Arrow opens his gutter mouth again..pray tell....who released you??fccking fcck..feels good to read from you man...have been busy and stressed all day..feels so good to read the words of a serial ph000l...oops..did i just call you a ph000l...ouch..it hurts but thats what you are...you are a monumental failed ph00l....deal with it and get off ma case.

You sound like a pathological person!

deshclones: s1lly Arrow feeling fly on NL.....go face the real world you monumental dumb0000.....all you do is flex your insipid vocabulary skills on NL...go get a job and a life...bleeding ph00l....

person, you know it is not only me that has told you that you are a person?

How many threads have you opened now that people have joined and told you that your are a cretin?

About 5?

GenBuhari:

^Answer my question na!!

Is Obj the best president that Nigeria has produced?
Yes or No?

Answer a question from a person that said Abacha is great and did not loot Nigeria?

I would rather put a straitjacket on your moronic arsse!

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]go fix your english first. shows your "Education level".[/quote]In your "highly educated" world, they did not teach you that when constructing a sentence you start with a capital letter?



Only online will proven, and clear, fucktards claim to be highly educated!

Product of a failed education system!

GenBuhari:

Because Sagamite believe Obasanjo is the best leader we ever had, you should all see that it is pointless arguing with him.

You are beyond a person!

You are obviously not mentally balanced. I have already said it.

https://www.nairaland.com/878081/nigerian-billionaire-battles-british-wife/19#11924662

Cretin!

cjrane: Abacha was a very great Nigerian,whose only sin was that he didn't agree to quit after he made the promise to do so.He personally believed he had to be there to guide the birth of a prosperous, glorious Nigeria.
Personally,Abacha was one of the greatest Nigerians for his achievements in just 5 years.The Ijaw for one, would never have had their own state if it was not for him.Also,he was the only Nigerian leader that realized that Nigerians needed some type of dialogue to continue living together in peace after the June 12th issue.

Abacha's triumph as an astute administrator is that inspite of ruling Nigeria at the worst period of crisis,there was never anything like Niger Delta militants or Boko haram.Instead he wanted to bequeath Nigeria a constitutional guarantee that power shall rotate between the north and south every 8 years, which would have permanently ended the tension generated by struggle for political power between north and south.Indeed, Oladipo Diya praised Abacha's skills at mediation and reaching a compromise even in very difficult situations, after Diya observed Abacha's dialogue with Afenifere leader Pa. Abraham Adesanya of blessed memory.

Bayelsa State is indeed right to honor such a great man that gave them freedom and self determination.

You are a cretinous person!

A moronic product of the consequences to the Nigeria's education system of rulers like Abacha!