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uplawal:
That's an excuse for not wanting to do

No, that is diplomacy and letting you have your way.

At the end of the day, we both get what we want. It would be a win-win.

[quote author=kayci_d77 link=topic=881398.msg10290064#msg10290064 date=1330422840]Shataaap if you u no get sense ni, Baba sold bakasi to cameroon while he is a shareholder, making millions from oil coming from there. Ole oshi ni ooo, u and baba.[/quote]Stop chatting illiterate shyt!

He was the one that made a ruling in the Court of Arbitration?

queensmith:
^^ fortunately for most of these posters you have to have money to do that. They have nothing to worry about.

No one has to worry about you taking 50% because no one will marry an obese skank.

rhymz:
Saga thank you very much for putting that hypocrit in his place. What has place of origin got to do with it, I wonder O. My Uncle that I am presently staying in his house here in Owerri is a victim of this same greedy feminist mentality. In his own case his wife is from thesame Imo state, Mbano to be precise, funny enough, it was my aunt that saw this greedy and heartless woman and introduced her average a$$ to my Uncle who just came in on a vacation from the states. A Fair and fiercely attractive woman with very many concealable character flaws. Of course the poor man did not see pass the pretty face and the fact she was a nurse, perhaps he reasoned with a career like that he had hit a jackpot. All he needed to do was marry her and take her with him to the US and live his Utopian dreams. In his haste to marry the NaughtyWoman, he did not allow for the proper family background investigation that usually preceeded the payment of bride price and stuff like that, the homeboy just drag my pupsy and co invade the gurl village, show them some American Abracadabra and wonder, did everything and then plunged into plans to bring her to the states. Before we could say Nwanyi, Biatch was already heavy with twins while still in Naija. No-do, no-do she was already in the states. Like play like play the woman don poo twins, 5-10yrs into the marriage she already was a mother of four childrien, with an excellent nursing career thanks to my uncle's financial encouragement and further sponsorship of numerous courses in her nursing field and the accompanying degrees earned. Then came the different stories of the woman's infidelity with a co-worker. That even caused them to separate, my uncle was forced to bring down the issue to Naija, a meeting ensued thereafter between our families and the woman's. When facts became so damning and hot for her to take, she made a threat that left everyone dazed at the meeting; she told her husband's family that she has nothing to lose if my uncle is seeking for a divorce and that she was ready for whatever decisions my Uncle was going to take provided my Uncle is ready to path ways with half of his possession. Already, the separation and dirty stories had taken a toll on the kids, they were living with her and she succeeded in turning them against their father. My Uncle knowing that he stands to lose almost everything if it eventually gets to a divorce stage rather chose to remain separated from the woman as she obviously wanted that and even more, he avoided every antics she emplyed to get a divorce, homeboy just had to endure, the whole thing turned the man into a junky of some sort until his health and finances started declining. The childrien had become something else, one of them got preggy and told their dad through the phone while he was in Nigeria. The woman after galavanting and stuff came down with her own ailment, bosom cancer. Na that time she come humble small, come remember say the kids should be with their father and not her boyfriends they were hitherto living with. Long and short the woman eventually died and the husband did not attend her burial. Already sef, my Uncle himself has not recovered from the whole effect of the nonsense she did. He is now retired and has little to show for his over 35yrs in the U.S. The man don dey Naija now for almost a yr and is not saying anything serious about going back to the states. The childrien obviously do not miss him either. This was a man that had a very bright beginings o. . And that dude is here yapping about local and foreign wife like it is any different.

Wow!

More stories that tell you that marriage in the West should only be done with a prenup if you are rich or have the ability to be rich. Otherwise you put your life in the hands of another, in the name of "faith" and "blind love", who then have the powers to fck it up all.

God forbid!

rhymz:
The legal system allows for exploitation and that is why even the dumbest females with a kitten licence can capitalize on it and make claims that her forebearers and her generations unborn can never achieve.

Gbam!

Thank you, my brother.

My story is less serious than yours. I know a girl that was my female cousin's friends. I used to see her come and party with my cousin when they were still young. Some like 7 years later she came to my cousins birthday and my cousin was helping me recall who she was as she greeted me. Then my cousin was telling me later that she married another Nigerian in Ireland and left the UK. She had 2 kids for this guy before the marriage broke down after 5 years. This guy had been in Ireland for years and worked hard, before you can say Nwanyi, she was awarded 2 of his houses he invested his sweat in for being a housewife raising the kids and the court was generous enough to let him keep 1 remaining house. He had to be paying mortgage for 2 houses (the one he lived in and the one she lived in with the kids) and rent the last one out (sorry, when I say "he" rented out, she took the rent money, otherwise he would be paying 3 mortgages while she owned 2 of the houses). She is a sit-at-home mum, while he is bursting his longs working for her to be more wealthy than him.

That was how that man's life and plans were destroyed because he decided to marry under some crazy, lunatic laws in faith without protection.

oradee:
all the men barking injustice and unfavorable/bias judicial system, are u gonna enforce a pre-nup or post-nup before and after marriage?

if NO, then sharraap, !!!!!  >: 

I will do all I have to do to keep my money.

I don't need to convince any woman to sign a pre-nup. I will TELL her to sign it. Any resistance and I will end the relationship. It is not even a matter of discussion. Just walk away and delete her number.

ochibs1010:
thank you.
when we all know that 64% of the oil wells which constitute about 88 oils wells are viable with commercial quantities, yet you point accusing fingers at less than 20 oil wells controlled by some few northern elites.

who is fooling who??

Don't come to your conclusions early. Because he listed some Northerners does not mean that is the exhaustive list of Northerners with oil wells. We don't know.

abouzaid:
@sagamite, Mai gida na, sannu, yaya aiki? You must be a lecturer cos i don't see why somebody will support the teaching of subjects that have no bearing with real like application. We went to school to learn how to solve problems for ppl for them to pay us, if i want to expand my knowledge, i can easily buy textbooks to read it on my own. Lecturers wasting my time in school over maths that neither them nor me will ever apply is a great sin to humanity, i speak from my experience sir

Bruv, the only place I am a lecturer is on NL, gaskia.

There is no maths subject taught that does not have real life application. It might just not have widespread application.

There are still many mathematical discoveries that elude us and which will be useful in future. If we don't teach the ones we know, the people like you that are suppose to discover the unknown ones might not be well equipped to start your discovery.

Lets look at something simple: Weighted averages. Because it is not used by many on a daily basis, or even used by some people ever, does not mean it should not be taught as it is useful in attribution theories or even resource/award allocations.

[quote author=Bo-large link=topic=881305.msg10290041#msg10290041 date=1330422545]ITS A PITY FOR WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THIS MAN NOW.

THIS IS THE BEST GOVERNOR DELTA STATE HAD EVER PRODUCED.

I BET IT WITH ANY BODY ON EARTH IF THIS MAN WILL EVER HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK TO DELTA STATE A PUBLIC HOLIDAY WILL BE DEDICATED FOR HIS ARRIVAL. DELTA STATE NEVER KNEW WHO HE WAS UNTIL THEY LOST HIM.

HIS BROTHER UDUGHA THAT HE TRUSTED AND HANDED OVER TO AS DISSAPPOINTED HIM. WHAT A SHAME TO UDUAGHA.

IBORI WE ARE PRAYING FOR YOU TO COME OUT OF THIS MESS.

DELTA STATE MISSED YOU.[/quote]You are a bloody cretin that should be shot!

greateros:
@topic.
British government and their insincerity! Are they telling us that all the while when ononafe was a governor, they never knew he was a convicted thief until now?

They just schemed a way to steal the thief's loots!

story of Ali and the tea merchants!

You are a cretin.

What is your daft point?

andyanders:
Go to SCOAN for deliverance as both of you need deliverance. This is not ordinary as maybe he could be having spiritual wife or you spiritual husband that is tormenting your home.

You are a cretin!

You need to destroy your brain in a publicly safe way.

Go and beg a truck driver on Ikorodu road to drive his truck slowly over your head laid on con-tar to scatter and destroy your brain, but make sure you have begged Lagos state government beforehand to send public health officials to be present and immediately decontaminate the brain waste with chemicals so we don't get another person infected.

I can't believe this cretin has a right to vote. Democracy my arse!

mbulela:
can we outsource our judicial system to the British?
they seem to produce results and it is not prone to silly adjournments and crazy court orders (I am looking at you, Odili).

He dares not set foot in the UK.

ikkkkk:
i no wan yab obj o. becos no be him create himself. u all know now.

Honestly, the man makes even Wade look like Tyson Beckford.

ifyalways:
^lol.

I wholeheartedly agree she needs some proper floggig. Volunteer yourself and I'd donate my bedroom, help us flog her consistently for 3 months.she would be made whole for life.  
@debrief, I think its the fear of remaining a spinster for life that is getting her "confused" and you are right, she needs to work on herself.

I will never deep my precious, solid, beautiful, long, golden wounder in any women with this level of thinking.

I have deep and utmost respect for my wounder and as its carer and guardian, I am extremely selective on its behalf.

diluminati:
Ibori, would you be my screensaver? damn you!  

Cretin, are you sure you don't want to claim (like your fellow conspiracy cretin here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-823498.0.html) that he was set up and is not guilty?

diluminati:
thank gosh this cretin didnt curse in this one.

You are a cretin.

Fcking moronic conspiracy theory ediot!

Ugom30:
Fellow nairalanders,im new here,but i have a serious problem i will like to share with us,and hopefully find a solution via ur advice and contributions.I got married last year.After my marriage,my hubby decided not do anything to contribute financially to the family.He was trading before we met and married,but after the marriage,i noticed that he wasnt going for his business anymore,and when i enquired from him,he said things aint going well.I tried getting jobs for him and even stocked a shop with goods for him,yet he didnt make anything out of it and it went down the drain.He lost hope and decided to stay at home all day.I started getting agitated about it.Secondly he never told me about his erectile dysfunction,and since we never made love before marriage due to my spiritual life and belief i didnt know about it until after marriage.We have tried medically,but it aint working.I threatened to walkout of the marriage,and to my suprise,the mum took him in,and he has been with the family since xmas,and now the mum is helping him get out of the country so that we dont reconcile.Please what do i do?I need ur honest and sincere advice.

And your point is?

Honestly, you need to be flogged mercilessly.

Tell me what you are hoping to get or want from this kind of marriage. Why do you want to remain married to this man? You think it is sanity to try and hold on to such?

You are a foool! You need to be flogged!

ochibs1010:
Nigeria has a total of 159 oil fields and 1481 wells
can the originator of these article give us a breakdown of who and who is controlling what oil well

you cant just list a few northerners with less than 20 wells and assume they are ripping the country.

despite the fact that i dont support what they are doing, i will prefer you list all and lets apportion the blame appropriately.

Good point.

In a sane country, that should be something publicly available.

Even if there is a company that owns one, by law the top 10 financial beneficiaries should be made publicly available for all oil wells.

[quote author=laz_inc link=topic=881305.msg10288258#msg10288258 date=1330395263]Photoshopped![/quote]The pix can not be photoshopped if the BBC is using it.

This is the BBC, not NTA.

If we had a sane President, he would be reviewing the awards of Oil blocks during Abacha and IBB time. But we have a cretin as President.

I have always said, REPEATEDLY, that the North has the most heartless, selfish, incompetent, greedy and backward leaders in the country. The Leaders have destroyed the region. The North in terms of development, affluence and thinking is about 60 years behind the South. The leaders I am talking about mostly populate the Arewa Consultative Forum. They are mostly a bunch of criminal cretins.

No one should change the revenue allocation formula. There are countries in Africa getting less than Northern states and operate well.

Also if you want the money to go far, stop breeding like if you have nothing else to do and then be comparing allocation per capita. Your incessant breeding is adding to the drag down of your per capita. When you are told to stop breeding like rabbits, you starting screaming Allah this, Allah that, it is the will of Allah. Well it is the will of Allah you are poor then.

All states should look at how to create a vibrant economy and stop depending on oil.

If I had the powers, I would only change revenue allocations to reward those that are developing economic growths and meeting economic targets.

Get rid of your bad political and social leaders, stop breeding like rabbits, face your education and you will find you will stop being bothered about oil revenue allocation.

The Judge Mercel Awokulehin MUST BE tracked down, found and SHOT by the government of Nigeria, Militants or Armed Robbers.

Arsehole!

In a sane society, the media will use this to humiliate the Silverback Gorilla we call President about Dariye and likes that have been walking free in Nigeria.

uplawal:
@Sagamite,as regards to the "you dnt separate coloured clothes",if i happen to be your wife,na so so fight o

It has never caused me any problems so why the extra labour.

No need for fight na, if you no like am, do it yourself. I will leave it to you so you have the liberty to do it the way YOU like it. I will be watching my Sky Sports, Discovery Channel, Dave or ITV4.

ThiefOfHearts:
No Saga is merely a teddy bear that likes to fight with women

I don't fight women.

If a woman misbehaves, annoys me or disagrees with me, I put her on my lap facing down and spank her bombom so she learns how to behave.

ThiefOfHearts:
You keep saying Clooney deserves fine women, since when are models the only source of "fine women". Plenty of "fine women" that arent models, he doesnt go for them because unlike models, he wont get attention. "oh cool, he has a pretty gf as opposed, wow he can AFFORD to get a model"

You keep on mentioning he dates models. I can't recall any significant model he has dated.

Lisa Snowdon - a qweqwe, so-called model but more of a presenter.

Sarah Larson - was a waitress (she only became a model based on dating him, so she was an ordinary woman)

Elisabetta Canalis - actress

Stacy Keibler - Wrestler

So which model im dey date. How are they giving him prestige? Is he not the one giving them fame. He is dating fine women, my friend.

Come here. Come and lie down on my laps. Ma bor!

oradee:
but then again,to the dude about to get hitched faster than most peeps, wld you honestly have ur wife sign a pre-nup now cos i believe u do pray to be wealthy someday.

Alot of our Naija men praise white/foreign women in dating and marriage. they claim they dont nag, not materialistic, and dont give the regular wahala native nigerian girls give.

so now that she has spent 15yrs with him and wants out with his cash, he now calls her gold digger while running from pillar to pole looknig for a way to save his money. (didnt he see those traits in her before marriage or was he carried away with the mentality that if its white,its gotta be right).

u men need to draw the line on ur double standards life in relation to local and foreign girls.
i might not know who wants out and what the reasons are behind it but then again our nigerian men should stop playing smart Bottom all the time, cos the end of ur sense is the beginning of another mans sense,

You dey crase!

So you think local girls will not ask for half, na only white/foreign woman that will do?

dayokanu:
How come I am just seeing this thread

Now we can all see the direction the women are going Bloody leeches

Mark Zukerberg assuming he meets a girl tomorrow and they get married after 2 yrs have a child after 4yrs divorce

Now the girl would claim it was her support that made him a millionaire (Note he was already a millionaire before they met)

Why should i be forced to pay to support the lifestyle of another adult except I choose to?

Why cant she use her own support to create a similar empire for herself.

The best solution get her degree qualification, Calculate what her colleagues have made in their career which she lost by being a house wife

Assuming 100k a year multiply it by the number of years and pay her that.

If she cant maintain the children at the level they deserve then she should move them to the spouse who can.

Why should you be paid for having children, Was she forced to have those kids?

GBAM!

Where is that cretin called Moremi?

moHot:
people keep saying marriage is not a bed of roses
IS IT A BED OF THORNS?

It is a bed of roses with thorns at corners.

Richvkunt:
You are always running your mouth at people on this forum.
Today you meet your match.
Did you not ask about me before venturing into my den?
Degenerate low life piece of shyte fagg0t!
You are not talking now eh?
Petrol don finish for your generator?
Remember what your momma did to get you into the states? Don't make me reveal it in cyberspace.

LWKMD!

woodcook:
I love Math coz it is the only subject that you could tell without a second guess whether you got it right or wrong. It appears to be the only subject you can teach yourself without much stress.

But at my age now, I tend not to like it anymore because after several years of graduation I am yet to apply all the crazy stuffs I did in Metric Space Topology, ODE, Complex Analysis, Real Analysis etc. Even the most basic like quadratic and simultaneous equation I am yet to apply them in real life. I guess it is time education is geared towards stuffs that are applicable in everyday life rather than chasing stuffs that only exist in the realm of mathematics and abstract world.

Lets put it this way:

Education is suppose to prepare you to engage in a field which suits you. It is done in such a way as to test you in a broad range of subparts of the field so you can choose which one you want to utilise in future. Furthermore, there is a convergence of aspects of academic fields in the real world nowadays. E.g.

Statistics and social sciences.

Mechanics and Medicine.

Computer Science and Philosophy.

Economics and Behavioural Science.

Basically, universities can not only teach a narrow area otherwise we will have a proliferation of institutions and courses which would be financially unsustainable for govenrments and pragmatically inefficient for the real world. Moreover, students will not be highly tested, challenged or experience the rare case of academic serendipity.

moremi2008:
You're smoking that good excreta, aren't you? I would never be caught dead with the likes of Shagamumu in real life.

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salakobaba:
Find X, find Y, simplify, almighty formular. Hw many engineers sef dey use all these things for there work, abi na doctor go dey find X on top patient abi na banker go dey simplify for bank, I beg math na waste of time jere.

You are not serious!

- Lack of innate ability. (Most Lawyers are shyt poor in maths)

- Lack of mathematical nurture. (Poor teaching by teachers leading to students convinced they lack the ability, poor push by parents that are scared of maths themselves).

You no fit be my Papa pikin and say "I no like Maths", "I give up on Maths", you will be dead. D-U-N done!

I hard maths for breakfast, lunch and dinner when I was growing up. When I came to Ilu Londoni, I was so confident that I hardly showed up for my Maths lectures because I knew what was being taught or I could read the textbook and grasp it easily. Till this day, I can't think of any Maths or Physics topic I feel I can't understand.

Now give me a subject like Organisational Behaviour to do and see me shaking like Pepeye (a Duck).

moremi2008:
Go treat your borderline-Autism! Nairaland shouldn't be your source of free therapy! You're pot-bellied, ponmo-lipped man with misfiring neurons! Your life is also bereft of love and happiness. I would bitter too if I were you! You poor miserable thing!

ps - shouldn't you be able to afford a deodorant that won't stain your underarms green? Or did all your disposable income go towards purchasing that horrid Primark tee?

person, I told you I was going to catch you, did I not?

moremi2008:
^^^^^===== so Sagamite is a fatty? Tell me something I didn't already figure out! Isn't BMI 40 approaching well into morbid-obesity territory? The ugly fat fool should be working out his muscles in the gym and not his mouth on NL!

I would rather have a BMI of 2000 than have your daft brain.

Did I not say earlier that I would catch you making dumb arguments? You were too dumb, it took me less than a week from saying I would catch you to catch you arguing dumbly and then thumped you.

person!

ThiefOfHearts:
First of all isnt your own BMI 40? 

You are interchanging models and fine women. They are not one and the same.

My BMI is merely 55.

You didn't answer my question. Would you date an average or ugly man when you have many men with more attractive attributes?

So why would you expect Clooney not to date the most attractive women he can get?

denzel2009:
The blessed is not so blessed after-all. She now turns divorce cases to church miracles - carry the divorce to where dem dey give more money to the wife even when none of the parties are resident. smh

If it is that straightforward Harrison Ford would have taken his divorce case to Oshodi magistrate court.

The blessed is in no way blessed.

She is the cursed with mental illness.

TV01:
I have to disagree here. I can't speak for all cultures or religions, but in most - and pertinently the one in view here - the spousal relationship is the "apex" human relationship. Even a "common-law" wife could be argued to have precedent over parents. The two have become one, it's no longer "your wealth", it's "your joint wealth". And in my opinion, it should not just be since vows were taken, but everything you have both accrued prior. Consider if you will the vows taken.

Why?

TV01:
I don't agree that marriage should be treated like a business deal. Or in the notion that it's a question of "deserves" based on that premise. Does money underpin everything? Are all things to be monetised?

How can you say the above and then say this?

chaircover:
TV that is what I was trying to say in a nutshell. Marriage is not like a perfect recipe for a cake; 200g of flour and 200g of butter etc; neither is it a business deal.

Affairs of the heart are a totally different ball game and you cant put a monetary value on some of the things that come in the marriage

Don't you think it is reasonable then to put affairs of the heart separately from financial affairs instead of trying to claim it is the former that is the driver of the latter?

They are not linked and they former does not warrant reward. You do it because it makes you feel good. I don't charge my girlfriend for the advice I gave, not instantaneously or in retrospect. I wouldn't ask for compensation if I drive a girlfriend to a job interview and she gets the job. I will not expect a reward if I took care of a sick partner and they are then able to go to work and becomes successful.

Furthermore, in reality, it is not only your spouse you have affairs of the heart with. You have it with other people even if it is of different types (e.g. parents, siblings, friends, relatives etc). You don't demand and cannot demand financial rewards for those, so why is it only the affairs of the heart with a partner that has some monetary value?

This just makes it clear that it makes sense not to demand reward for affairs of the heart. You do it in good faith and it is not by force.

rhymz:
stop posting this rubbish. Your way of reasoning is appalling. You keep making it look like the woman is a victim or something. Are settlements meant to spite the man or to ensure that the woman is adequately taken care of even after the collapse of the marriage and not for her to exploit the man. People divorce for different reasons, one person do not neccessarily need to have done wrong. It is not like the man has not given her anything, what the man gave her is moderate and by any means very satisfying. Don't forget the woman did not bring anything into the man's business, it is called compensation not vengance. Even if the man can afford it, it still does not make it right. Are you trying to say if this man was your elder brother, you would rationalize this woman's demand with such weak arguments. Most of the alleged contributions you claim she made could as well have been done by a nanny it does not justify such an obscene request. Stop fabricating excuses that do not exist. Do unto others what you would want them do to you.

She is a cretin!

damola1:
Prenup, postnup to me is an option, but really, this is family,  I personally don't think it's right to be so callous to start drafting agreements within family,  every other day I expect myself and my immediate family members to make compromises for the development of the family. so, even in the event of a dis agreement, being greedy shouldn't be an option, it's just,  ' sweetheart ',  am sure you know what is right to do,  am sure you'll make me at least comfortable,  that's all it takes,  thats really all it takes!,  but when greed sets in, then you want to take half of my business, half of my wealth,  excuse me,  did you work half the time, the people that did are partners in my company,  you are not!,  already you are taking away all the children, why don't you take half the kids and leave me with half,  I will choose my kids over money any day anytime,

On point but when they have stewpid laws people have no option but to draft agreements, otherwise one will be effed up.

damola1:
I think your mind is made up. But I comment simply to continue to enlighten myself and perspective to issues.

For a fact, I am not married, but I am closer to marriage than most married people,  The only set of people who have absolute right about my wealth are my parents, because all of what I am today, my business acumen, my education is directly linked to them, and I will gladly give everything I have back to them, but they never even ask. In my own case, I give business free consultation advise , not the other way round, and have been doing that for so many years. I am her number one fan, whether I like it or not,,  this is a fact, introduced her to her first writing work, give her shocks for so many years to continue writing even without a single kobo coming back, closed my account to pay half of her school fees, continue to help create a balance in most part of her finances. The more I look at it, the more I see that I have given more advise, more support than she's,  maybe because I never discuss my business with her, women never advise logically, they only know how to protect, which is important too, but not really how to build. not to take anything away, she's her strong points. But on the points you've established, the above is what I think.

This isn't a bad business deal, it's not a loss, it's a greedy woman who wants more than she deserves. She probably went to a better school, has two hands , two legs, let her go and get her own things done.

Thank you. Absolutely so fcking on point!

Those are normally the only people who can lay claim to your success and NO COURT can even allow them to claim 10%, talkless of 50%. But some stewpid laws will say because of pillow talk, house cleaning and shoulder to rest on, you should pay someone 50% of your wealth.

Can anyone tell me how a wife does more than a parent in contributing to one's success? Was it the wife that gave him his genes, fed him, housed him, clothed him, sent him to school, gave him money to live on, mentored him, gave him some of his first few contacts, paid his medical bills so he lives to old age?

Where is that dumbfuck called Moremi with his moronic arguments?

desertboom:
The court grant you ownership of the kids, I will have to give away 50 percent of my wealth, I will still have to pay large sum of money to you every year for maintenance. Oh. . . My God! Can someone please enlighten me what this man has as a profit to the marriage? What did this man achieved out of this marriage? In fact, what will he profit after paying all this money? The man looses in all ramification. This law is senseless and useless in all aspect. Please, someone must answer me, wetin this man gain?

That is the most likely prospect of marriage for men in the Western world.

They have made it worthless with their daft laws that cretins like queensmith come and vomit.