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Op, Shepherd77 has done justice to ur questions. Besides, as rgds Q3, Jesus said the place to be prepared is IN His Father's House (extant) not apart from the Father's House.

cloudgoddess:
because that false book is believed to be true by many ignorant, uneducated and indoctrinated people, who are then using the false book to delay progress in humanity and society, especially in nigeria. they only way to get rid of such a plague is to call it out and expose its falsehood.

Okay so how does this apply to globally known intellectual giants and celebrated leaders who are staunch , Bible reading christians?

AlfaSeltzer:
Nature and god, who created who?
chicken and egg, which made which?
luggard and nigeria, which was there first?

Answer! (i asked first)

KingEbukasBlog:
WHat the f.ukkery is 'natural processes at work continuously' ? . That is also a baseless assumption . Natural processes BLINDLY working continuously to form ordered complexity and then intelligence ?

Now nature is the creator!!!
(who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator). And ask when nature commenced working and . . .! Life has a Giver. (Has science with all its claims to advancement ever raised the dead? Even IVF steals from God). And may I ask, which did nature bring first, the chicken or the egg? the seed or the plants? the blood or the heart?

menesheh:
New Testament talks about hell but there isn’t one in the Old Testament. Many of those things are circulating around Rome during this time and most were copied from other cultures.
According to the bible, most Christians are going to hell. The bible is so specific about hell. If bible is true, most Christians don’t follow the laws .
There is delusion going around here. The bible also has provisions of criteria to heaven. Jesus said “am the way, the truth, peace and life and no man cometh unto the father but by me. He further said “am the door, by me if anyone enters, he shall be save”
There is binary choice here, the choice is life of obedience and love will get one to heaven while others will go to hell where you will suffer eternal torment and one can’t escape it. I will not go deep into a lot of that.

These are the criteria of going to hell. Some of them are amusing and weird.
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1. Anybody who rejects Jesus’s teaching and god’s commandments is going to hell

2. Anyone that doesn’t give everything and follow Jesus is going to hell.

3. Anyone who doesn’t give away his possession and accumulates material things is going to hell

4. Anyone who doesn’t leave house and family for jesus is going to hell.

5. Anyone who fails to forgive and love his enemies or engage in violence or who doesn’t strive for peace will go to hell. Pretty nice one.

6. Anyone who doesn’t forgive or judge others will go to hell.

7. Anyone who divorces his spouse, remarries or marries a divorced person will go to hell.

8. Anyone who denies help to the poor, sufferings and less fortunate will go to hell

9. Anyone who makes public spectacle of prayer rather than praying in private will go to hell

10. Anyone who swears an oath rather than affirming or denying a lot of folks will go to hell.

11. Anyone who refused to mutilate one’s body to atone for sins by amputating the hands or feet or gouging his eyes will go to hell. Terrible

12. Anyone who does not cast out demons, speak in tongues, heal by faith will go to hell.

13. Anyone who is a false prophet, false exorcist or false miracle worker will go to hell.

14. Anyone who publicly denies jesus or denies he is the messiah will go to hell.

15. Anyone who doesn’t possess the simple faith like a child will go to hell

16. Anyone who commits blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will go to hell.

Different denominations kind of interpret these things in different ways or even deny most of the hell traps. Like the Jehovah witness don’t believe in hell. There is the prosperity gospel that is completely at odd with this idea of not having wealth, for them having wealth is a sign of being blessed. Unitarians thinks god will see through all these confusions. Others will say that god is so loving that he will forgive every of their sin.
So there are lots of different spins on these and that’s a problem. I’ve never seen any Christian Amputee or any who gouge his eyes.

So if the bible is really true, almost if not all Christians will go to hell


Christians should buckle up to avoid this Hideous place.

Never mind, The One Who gave these conditions also gives us daily the power (by His Spirit) to meet them (If we are willing) hence this your outsider-looking-in approach is not the best. Besides, your 16 thesis are contaminated with personal opinion till you can give the references that expressedly recommends hell for defaulters of each.

cloudgoddess:
You've got things so backwards. The second America started breaking off from religion (starting from seperation of church & state around 1800) is when progress began to be made. "Gifts" my butthole. Nothing America has accomplished was due to prayer (aka wishful thinking), it all came from hard work and individuals who were willing to risk their time and even their lives to put in years and years of research & fight for what's right -- often going against the push of religious influencers. Stop attributing the accomplishments of dedicated, focused, educated human beings to your fairy tale. That's one of the most condescending and irritating things you Christians do.

And "one nation under god" wasn't even added to the pledge till 1954, and that was because World War II created paranoia about communism spreading. I'm sure it'll be removed within the next 50 years, and it'll be good riddance.

ok

KingEbukasBlog:
Rome and Dubai are not countries . Muslims take their religion more seriously than Christians . Russia is overly religious in case you don't know - do you know what Homosexuals go through there ? The members of the UK parliament and Royalty adhere to Christianity religiously . And can an atheist rule America ? America holds a National Prayer Day and Thanksgiving has religious roots too .

Poverty is actually more prevalent in areas were less significant religions are practiced .

Thanks for that. In fact, America started out being very religious (One Nation Under GOD) but when GOD'S blessings and technological advancements/scientific breakthroughs came, they forgot God the Giver and esteemed the gifts more.

But who are the importers of illicit funds who receive same sans investigation? Let the cycle be completed and I guess the really guilty ones are the one that are safe havens thereto.

Khd95:
oh i c,when jesus deman fire nd bloodshed,u brainwashed retarded paulites think its parabel,but when he act subtle nd benign,u dnt think its parable



If u say dat was a parable,would u also say it was parable when jesus said he is d life,way nd truth



Pls b wise nd dump dis pathetic denial of d obvious truth,jesus is not who d bible describe him to b,deal with that

11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. 12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. 13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come. 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us. 15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds. 17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. 18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds. 19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities. 20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin: 21 for I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow. 22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow: 23 wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury? 24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds. 25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.) 26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. 27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Luke 19

Read and discern.
1. It is a parable
2. Vs 14 is concluded by vs 27 all in the parable. Jesus was not here instructing the disciples. Besides, how many people were brought before Jesus for slaughter?

alrahmanonline:
One thing you guys fail to understand is that muslims do regard jesus, tell me where in the bible where jesus speaks just some days after he was born? it was inside the qur'an... Muslims do believe in jesus but not your type of believe, thus,all the above quotes about terrorism is not about jesus, because it written by him but by your Almighty fraudster named paul, you should ask yourself why there's different types of bible, while there's only one quran.... Reasons is that the terrible verses has to be removed to sweeting the heart of the gullible followers... #Ponder

Do list some of such as the highlighted and show where they were removed eg versions

Khd95:
peter could slay anymore cos d roman soldiers were beter trained and equiped dan d lilly livered disciples
it would b suicidal for peter nd d rest to put up any defence,guess what??.
They fled leaving master to his fate


besides,was it not jesus dat asked disciples to sell garment nd buy swords,why would he now say he who carry sword perish with the sword,didnt he no this b4

In conclusion, they killed no one. Rather they were the ones that were killed. Do you know these people were being slaughtered by the government of the day and yet they still wrote:

Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
14 or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
16 as free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
1 Peter 2:13-17

No terrorist nor terrorist's motivation here!

Khd95:
do i need to inform u that peter used his sword to cut a servant's ear

d guy no get chill at all

1. And Jesus hailed him when he did so?
2. Is that what it means to slay them before me?
3. How many more did Peter and the rest slay? (I mean men not fishes )

They were the sons of Sceva, a Jewish priest, who were also exorcists.

Khd95:
D bible God is d biggest muderer of all time,he mudered nd mudered both innocent nd guilty ones,he wasnt satisfied,he instructed christians to muder em

Even mr jesus said.


For those enemies of mine who will not let me reign over them,bring them forth nd slay them b4 me...luke 19:27

Now show us where Peter, Paul, John etc obeyed that command or where Jesus led his disciples to such conquest.

AishyWemsy:
Can any south western Christians boldly say the Muslims around them are not peaceful? Our southern people in Nigeria are full off rage for Islam and their reason is more political than fair. Don't forget what trump said about Africa and black Americans, some even curse him among u supporting him now. We should be fair. I am a Muslim and I am proud. Islam is nothing but religion of peace. One love

I think what might make the southerners full of rage is because many lost loved ones in the pre-Boko haram era when the Northern muslims descended on the christians among them at the slightest provocation including Sharia law, GEJ's victory, Cartoons etc! These conflicts had already registered a sour taste of Islam which BH, ISIS etc have helped accentuate and reinforce.

And just because BH kill muslims is no just reason to assume they are non-muslims!

OLAADEGBU:
The old serpent knew that his days were numbered the moment he heard the prophecy in Genesis 3:15.

Indeed the Goodnews for man is Badnews for the devil; both aspects of the Gospel must be preached to all creatures. Thankfully, the latter already believes (James 2:19) his part we just need to exploit that 'belief' to root him out!(John 16:11)

No HE is not but He shares all the attributes of the Everlasting Father. The emphasis of Isaiah 9:6 is that the Son prophesied is One Who has been from Everlasting like the Father, meaning HE was not created. The Hebrew rendition of that passage underscores this.

Delusiongirl20:
Those crusaders took their inspirations from the Bible as muslems takes same from their holy book. There is no verse in the Quran that directly encourages suicide bombing and mass killing of infidels using bombs.

This is like saying no holy book encourages the use of television for evangelism!

The crusaders linked and interpreted their actions (crusade) from the bible verses as you usually easily do interprete some verses literally or non-literally to suit a situation.

Anybody can misinterprete ANY literary work, hence shall we keep to direct commands in such holy books?

Delusiongirl20:
Christianity had killed 10 times the number muslems will yet kill during the crusade. Christianity is older to muslem and they've learnt alot from series of wars and crusades they undertook therefore abandoning most evil the laws in the bible.

Kindly show me from one of the books -the Bible- in your op, verses in the NT that 'inspired' the crusades.
Also show from the Bible how the apostles launched their crusades.




I specified NT because the Bible is not a set of random, unconnected books but it captures various dispensations as they unfold and the last therein which continues till now is the NT.

PastorAIO:
There are over 50 sources for Hercule Poirot so he has more existence than Tiberius or Jesus going by the reasoning on this thread.



Please don't change the subject.

That question was meant for the op.

18 how that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jude 1:18

CoolUsername:
Do you believe yourself when you spew blatant lies?

Which lies? How many people did any of the Apostles/Disciples execute?

Rather I find them warning against heretics, not conducting inquisitions!

CoolUsername:
The one that inspired the spanish inquisition? Or the one that inspires jihad?

Which book inspired the spanish inquisition? (neither of both in the op did)

And on what basis were the apostles and early christians martyred?

menesheh:
Myth
Superstition
Fiction
Fairy
Delusion


1. MYTH A traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature - Wikipedia

All religion are guilty of this especially the three Abrahamic religion


2. SUPERSTITION is the belief in supernatural causality—that one event causes another without any natural process linking the two events—such as astrology and certain aspects linked to religion, like omens, witchcraft and prophecies, that contradict natural science - Wikipedia

All religion are guilty of this.


3. FICTION describes people, places, events, or complete narrative works derived from imagination, in addition to, or rather than, from history or fact - Wikipedia

All religion are guilty of this.


4. FAIRY is a type of mythical being or legendary creature in European folklore, a form of spirit, often described as metaphysical, supernatural, or preternatural - Wikipedia

All religion are guilty of this.


5. DELUSION is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary. As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, or other effects of perception - Wikipedia

All religion are guilty of this.


Here for bash, get off the thread.

It's nice to be able to express our opinions from time to time. Now op did the following exist:
Herodotus, Alexander the Great, Nebuchadnezzar, Augustus Caesar, Artaxerxes and King Tutankhamun of Egypt?

Which came first Bible (specifically the books therein) or the Quran? Answer this and you have answered your question

Apologies to the op for the digression, but if Parrots (one of GOD's creatures) talks, what makes it difficult to make another animal talk? Besides, the animals that spoke in the Bible did not speak in english and we know that a compound sentence in english can be effectively covered by a few words in another language such that the differentiation will be made possible by intonation.





P.S. Now what was the Parrot trying to adapt to when it decided it needed to talk unlike other animals?

I wish the op was the original author of this write-up! Then he could take questions and clarify issues.

plaetton:
A rebellion against the Toothfairy chronicles, I presume.

Indeed a resort to scoffing accentuates that statement of mine as being true!

vooks:
Amateur Septic(sic)
1. Nobody really knows how stars are/were formed

2. NOBODY has ever seen a star formed but they have seen countless numbers of them die

3. This is not the first claim of star formation caught in camera. Other claims here;
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/birth-of-a-planet-caught-on-camera-20111020-1mal8.html
http://theweek.com/articles/467106/caught-camera-violent-birth-enormous-new-planet
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2823586/The-detailed-image-planet-s-birth-taken-Alma-snaps-stunning-baby-picture-disc-450-light-years-away.html

4. This is a self-fulfilling or circular reasoning; you think stars form thus, you see this and conclude a star has formed

Every astronomer's dream is to capture a star forming so it can validate their theories and exclaim that what has been thought to be God's work is actually a natural process. This explains the many wild claims for the phenomena but zero proof. Just as they are busy digging for the skulls of the 'missing' link between man and animals(ape). This ceases to be science and is actually a religion. The biggest lie the devil ever made was that there is actually a battle between evolution/science and religion; these are two religions and to subscribe to either requires copious amounts of faith, especially evolution.

Before you embarrass yourself please dig cosmic evolution

Glad you noticed the highlighted! A cursory look at the whole astronomical techno-babbles and you dont need an egghead to decipher the rebellion and conceitedness underlying it!

plaetton:
Lol.
It all depends on how you choose to learn about the universe and existential issues.

If you have a million bits of scattered phenomena in the observable universe, you can do one of two things.

You can begin to observe, study, analyze and assemble the pieces one by one, over time, or, you can just tell yourself that it's a Toothfairy, no questions asked, none required, case closed.

This is the difference between you and I.

You reject facts and scientific ideas for magic, and then you have the effrontery to scoff at those that prefer the tedious process of observation, experimentation and analysis.

whatever.

malvisguy212:
in regards to those beholden to the scientific rationalism. Do they have explanation of the first cause? If NO , then am sorry to say this, scholar8200 was right.

And if they claim there might be no first cause needed then watch these men attribute the fact of the Creator being Un-created and from everlasting to everlasting, to their intellectual inventions (extrapolations, assumptions, estimations and ideas with much leeway to adjust it for crying out loud!). Indeed the whole reeks more, not of natural inquisitiveness, but a conceited drive egged on by rebellion!