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My Goodness, Nigerians are such Jealous creatures, no be small.
Even if you are not Yoruba, at least be happy for a Nigerian Language.
A language without media reach will die a slow death, that's just the natural law of Language sustainability.

To the lady who posted the BBC Igbo news snapshots, I am also happy that BBC Igbo is now a reality.

bounty007:
BBC hausa..don dey Yan opata since 1900..

Don't understand why this people like measuring and competing..and for every jealous completion Dem dey lose out..

Who wan listen to BBC Yoruba.. afons anyways..

Make una congratulations..before afons go kee person.

Imagine one ode shout best language ever?. Atimes this humans fit clown for Africa.

Funny humans ..
Another achievement..like African magic ..

lol, Nairaland will never be Nairaland without the usual show of Hate, jealousy and just sheer stupi.dity in numerous unguarded comments one sees everywhere.
Why are you displaying your inferiority complex bros?

https://www.facebook.com/bbcnewsyoruba/
https://www.instagram.com/bbcnewsyoruba/

The long awaited and anticipated BBC Yoruba News website has launched and started the publication of Nigerian, African and Global News in the Yoruba language to service the needs of more than 45 Million Yorubas in West Africa, as well as the Yoruba diaspora to have news in their Languages.

Ìròyìn Èkúnréré L'éde Yorùbá ti dé!

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4649/38460002330_31b4d06077_b.jpg

https://www.bbc.com/yoruba

They have also launched the official BBC Yoruba Facebook page for correspondence.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4697/39372698955_891f4c6be7_b.jpg

Follow the official BBC Yoruba Facebook page at:

https://www.facebook.com/bbcnewsyoruba/

FarahAideed:
You also failed to mention that Kehinde Wiley is a controversial artist with racist approach to most of his works where his subjects can mostly be seen with decapitations of severed Caucasian heads in an art form bothering the disturbed .

The real severing of Millions of African heads happened when whites colonials were in places like Namibia and Congo.

They Openly display African Art which they acquired illegally from our great civilizations via MURDER, RAPE, and PLUNDER in their European Museums and Art Galleries without an iota of remorse nor shame.

And they haven't even apologized ....

So, tell me why I as an African shouldn't be proud of Mr Kehinde Wiley?

https://media.pitchfork.com/photos/5a81c47c000dc822199a690b/master/pass/PA_NPG_18_55%20Obama%20R.jpg

https://media.pitchfork.com/photos/5a81bb983190b30b3b77b310/2:1/w_790/Barack%20Obama%20and%20Kehinde%20Wiley.png

Welldone jare, buroda Kenny.

Konquest:
@Scholes0

I need to sign off from this thread to
digest your brilliant summations in
your last post... and to avoid derailment
from the off topic post of the 3rd entity
here.

Thanks a lot for your GREAT summations
on Usen and other communities in Edo States.

Any time.

Y0ruba:
Not to be rigid but I think the ‘Oyo Oba’ thing is a revisionist attempt at localising the source of ‘Yoruba’ as a nomenclature. Asides from ‘Oyo Oba’ another revisionist angle is ‘Yo ru ebo’. These revisionisms aimed at nationalising the etymology of ‘Yoruba’ considering every group is doing it these days. Personally, recognising the hard fact that we didn’t regard ourselves as Yoruba and none of the major blocks referred to each other as Yoruba until the 19th century, I am inclined to go with the theory of ‘Yoruba’ which Sultan Bello told Clapperton about - which Clapperton recorded but Sultan Bello was referring to Oyo at that time. Oyo to Hausa/Fulani was Katunga while the people of Oyo were Yoruba. Sultan Bello said the Yoruba people (of Katunga) migrated from Mecca with a certain group in northern Nigeria (Oyo palce & Samuel Johnson hijacked Oduduwa into this Mecca story of the Oyo). This gives the etymology of Yoruba which was corrupted to Yoruba & later became one of the numerous encompassing nomenclatures for us - Yoruba, Anago & Aku.

Baba the emboldened go hard o, na Awori dialect & na person wey sabi the dialect go fit help but I’ll look at texts in the house tomorrow to see what I can find.

Make I add one more word. Ebutte-Metta, usually regarded these days to mean three shores(?). See the screen shot below for its original etymology.

Spot on.

I have also heard the Yagba morphing into Yari.ba and Yoruba theory.
The Yagbas are in Kogi now.

Konquest:
@ Scholes0
You may wish to ignore the guy.

He likes trolling under multiple monickers [7
monickers]
as exposed by Ihatepork in January.

you think I have his time?

He can remain there and continue lamenting all night.

Konquest:
^^^^^^
^^^^^^
Are there Yoruboid communities in those
Ovia LGAs?

I have a friend from the Egharevba family in
Ovia North East. We went to the university
together... the same department.

Yes.
Egbeta is one os such communities.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4663/39295387755_4c350b0f8b_b.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4613/39295504545_04c2a4b273_b.jpg


Usen is another one. Their original migratory stock is at Okelusen in Ondo state which is at an higher elevation (hence the name).

One thing about me is I always talk only about things I know about.

If I want to contribute in a topic I am scant on, I make sure I do my research well.

historyworld031:
crazy mofo, all you said below is nothing but a lie.

lol..


Middle Finger.

Konquest:
^^^^^^^^
Thanks for this information @Schole0.

I read that the Ebiras and Igalas are of the
same stock... coming originally from
the Jukun region or Kwararafa like you
stated.

The Ebiras used to be ruled by a figure called the Atta of Ebira before, they not too long ago changed it to Ohinoyi.
Political enmity between them and the Igala have increased their differences.

Funnily enough the languages both groups speak have nothing to do with Jukun. Ebira has about 30% cognate similarity with Nupe, Gade and Gbagyi , While Igala has about 65% cognition with Yoruba-Itsekiri.

As for the Akoko-Edos

Here is your confirmation as to my earlier point which I made years ago in the other thread.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4608/26320504308_e66b4e9c5e_b.jpg

historyworld031:
Just know that their father is a boxer.

I don't have your time tonight, trust me.

Konquest:
Thank you!

Beadbury (1967) who did extensive research on the people of the area on the other hand, reported three sources of ancestry for the people there, Benin, Ife and Idah.
It should be noted that the Ebira groups are the ones who used to claim to have come from Idah. These days, they still mention Idah but only as a stopover location from their true origins among the Kororofa.

historyworld031:
The Edo must be verry special for yoruba to be so obsessed about Edo.
Everyday yoruba must try to claim one Edo group or an other, just keep trying to claim !
Very soon these yoruba will be trying to claim my children

Yes i will claim them, ... go and sit dow,

Konquest:
^^^^^
^^^^^
Absolutely @Scholes0.

I've corrected my post...1480s is Ginuwa's
arrival in Itsekiriland.


On the other hand, I saw a post of yours
on the Akoko-Edo thread and Ibillo thread
for the first time 2 days ago.

I would like to know from you which one of the
Akoka Edo towns have Yoruboid indigenes
in them. Is Lampese one of the Yoruboid
communities?

I know that most Akoko Edo represent Edoid
ancestry.

A friend of mine in the University in Nigeria
told me he wasn't Yoruba but Edo decades
back... even though his name was Femi Ajakaiye.
He was from Akoko Edo. It was interesting
getting to learn his family history. He even
spoke very fluent Yoruba.

Thanks.

Ikakumo, Ayanran, Aiyeteju, and Ago-Ogbodo

In most of the others You will find some people saying Ife, You will find some saying Benin, while yet still you will find some saying they came from Ife, but via Benin after they had settled there for a while hence the language disconnection.

Me right now, I am more personally interested in the truly Yoruba communities in Ovia North East and Ovia South West.

Itsekiri Modern history (Post 1480) starts from Ginuwa.

Itsekiri primordial history starts from Yorubaland.

Konquest:
^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^
@Efewestern

WOW! ... Thanks for this brilliant post.
That is why I have been following you
on NL because I know that you are deep
with firsthand history of Urhoboland.


You shed more light on some historical
FACTS that I never knew today on Urhobo
history... such as the Okpe people.


Somehow, I noticed that Urhobos and Yorubas
tend to even marry a lot... even Urhobos
and Itsekiris have a lot of intermarriages.


I have Urhobo friends that have Itsekiri mothers and Itsekiris that I know
like Prof. Itse Sagay and the Vanguard Newspaper Publisher, Chief Sam Amuka-Pemu
have Urhobo mothers!


RMD's father is actually an Urhobo man
while his mother is Itsekiri. That is where
Eyimofe the Itsekiri name comes from!


A lot of what you wrote are NOT even known
to people in the public domain. And should
be taught in all institutions and special online educational channels so that Nigerians will
know that we have ALWAYS interacted even
before the British colonialism era.

I see Urhobos in a newer light from today...


Thanks for your kind response!

All the best!


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lol, to me Urhobo have always been cousins.

Indomie generation are the most ignorant set of children in Nigeria's history. Their views are limited to the 1999 artificial geopolitical constructions of Nigeria. Before you say Pim, they will start shouting We are south-south, as if Ogoja man and Itsekiri man have anything in common.

cc Nowenuse

Ebiras in Action.

Odingo1:
If actually that Yorubas are practicing Islam before the fulanis came,then why is it that the number of yorubas practicing Islam decreases from Ilorin to Ondo, North to South trend

Islam in Yoruba isn't even north to South but more West to East trend.
Okun Yorubas for example are Northwards, but to the eastern part, and they are majority Christian.

That’s how you’ll know that Islam has been in the Oyo empire (Western Yorubaland) brfore the Sokoto jihad.

6UEE:
Bringing a sword to a gun fight. Aww, so cute.

So you think if they had sophisticated guns, they would show them out to the public the same way they are showing these machetes?

Buy sense.

Nowenuse:
Gbam!

Taraba is a pure middlebelt state. The divide and rule people knew what they were doing when they took Taraba to the north-east.

Niger state was part of the old northwest state together with Sokoto and Zamfara. So, during this period and even before, so many hausas became integral parts of Niger state and heavily influenced them. Niger north (Kainji axis) and Niger east used to be slightly dominated by Kainji speaking and Gbagyi christians, but the story has changed today. The state is heavily hausanized.

These are the reasons why we have to wake up.

Hausanization and pro caliphate domination is now taking over Nasarawa state gradually. If Nasarawa had still remained part of Plateau, this nonsense would not have happened!

Spot on about Nasarawa.

The state name isn't helping matters. Name of capital sef na Lafia.

Keffi, Akwanga, Even Karu's traditional leader Dr Emmanuel Yepwi is now calling himself as an Emir, and prefers to be addressed as such.
It's so sad really..

State governor , Tanko Al-Makura.
In addition the Hausa-Fulanis are becoming (or have become sef) the major power brokers in the state.
I thin Nassarawa's case is too late sef. Only those suburbs closer to the Abuja metro are safe due to the heavy presence of other nigerians who have made those places home.

It is also funny, that some people on this thread think it is only towns conquered before the British came to colonize Nigeria that have the shame of being "Fulani slaves", when the whole process of Northernization hasn't even ended / concluded yet.

It is still ONGOING, and some people are laughing. Ebiras and Barubas who claim to to have never been conquered by the caliphate, today what is the difference between them and those who were under the caliphate? Are Yahaya Bello and the so called Ohis (Ohimege, Ohinoyi, and the rest) not proper textbook Fulani slaves? lol! That's why I just laugh. These people have been conquered as well, more or less.

After Nassarawa is complete, Benue and Taraba are Next. Jalingo and Benue North (the part above the river) will be the launchpads.

historyworld031:
And now a yoruba wants to teach me my language ?
How do you guys have conversations with normal human beings ?

Ogie na Ogie

Oba na Oba.

historyworld031:
And you know this because you have a time machine ?
News flash: oduduwa is a myth like father christmass, he never existed !
You guys are really confused, it is as if you don't understand that a word could be adopted from an other manguage, the same way the british took the words "friend" and "foe" from the vikings.
The fact that the word Oba means king in yoruba doesn't imply it was not borrowed from the Edo whose king's title is the word Oba itself !
Omo n'Oba n'Edo !
Instead of just talking about myths, why don't you just go through the archives and notice that it is only in the mid colonial era that your yoruba chiefs started adding the word "Oba" to their title !

No.

Word for King in Edo languages is Ogie or Oje or Ovie or E.tc, not Oba.
Word for King in Yoruba is Oba and Oba only. Nothing else.

shumuel:
I think there has been a mix-up from generations to generations in the handing over of the Yoruba language, though i do not know much but i know i have common sense, so bro lets look at it this way.

Ola = Wealth/Riches
Oro = Words/Talks

i then believe

Olo Which means ''Owner Of'' if added to these words should mean

Olola= Rich person or Owner of Wealth

Oloro= Prestigous person/Excellence

Having explained, i believe Oloro is or was someone who could or should speak and others would follow with due respect, such a person is a respected one among the villagers, but you can not attain such heights without riches, while Olola is a rich person who controls the people with his wealth or should i say people just chose to respect him because he his rich.

I hope you get my explanation ?

I am talking about Orò (Re-Do) meaning Wealth, not Òrò (Do-Do) meaning Word.

Nice explanation attempt though..

Nowenuse:
Keep waiting for the hausas. Majority of the Hausas have been brainwashed into seeing Islam as an identity and bond btw them and the fulanis. And all the Hausa elites have been heavily intermixed with fulanis, so how the hell do you want hausas to do this? A hausa man whose grandmother, mother, wives and inlaws are all fulanis, should now start fighting fulanis? Impossible na.

Majority of the pure original hausas who have not mixed with the fulanis are poor, rural and illiterate! These ones cannot do jack!

So just forget about Hausa people, they are a lost case! Same with Nupe people and Gwari muslims of Niger state.

You are very right about Nupe Muslims and Gwaris.

Niger is supposedly a North -Central state, but honestly, they behave more like North West. Infact, it would be better if they were Zoned there, while Taraba is brought down to North Central from North East to replace them.

They won't be missed. They always sabotage North-Central efforts to achieve anything.

laydoh:
i get u bro,bt ola also means wealth.u knw ola varies dpndin on d pronounciation.

Ola can refer to a wealthy person, as long as the person is popular.

Can you call a rich person whom nobody knows an Olola?
That was why I was correcting that guy, telling him that Ola means more of Excellence.

A state Governor can be a Olola, but might not be an Oloro.
While a very successful but unknown business person can be an Oloro but might not be an Olola.

We pray to become Olowo and Oloro, when it comes to wealth no one prays to be an Olola (usually) . Think about it well.

laydoh:
pls hw did OLA turn to glory instead of wealth.or is dia a new version of yoruba language i dnt knw?

Ola is not wealth, trust me.
Wealth is Oro.

People speak Watery Yoruba these days.

wakaman:
Olatunji- wealth rises over again

Ola should mean more on the side of Excellence or Glory not wealth.

Wealth in Proper Yoruba is Oro.

Olowo - Rich person
Oloro - Wealthy person
Olola - Exalted or Excellent personality.
That is why "Your Excellency" for example can translate into "Olola ju lo" in Yoruba.

Olatunji would therefore mean Glory rises or Excellence rises forth again, which holistically makes much more sense as a name as opposed to a reference of 'mere wealth'. Same goes to all names that begin with Ola, that people think means just wealth this, wealth that.

It is these days that Ola is now used to mean more of wealth.
Spoken Yoruba is becoming more watery each passing generation.

Wonderful video!

Where is the rest of it?

Is Yewa a real sub-ethnic group of Yorubaland, or a geographic location based on the Yewa river.

I know Ifonyin, Anago, Ketus, Aworis Etc are real groups.

I would say like 55 to 60%