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0monnak0da:
Technically ? Wha are you talking about.

Lagos state has always had 5 DIVISIONS
LAGOS
EPE
IKORODU
BADAGRY
IKEJA

even before the state was created .

LAGOS DIVISION wa the FCT under the Federal Governent and the oher 4 divisions were in the Western Region.

Those administrative divisions existed before independence under colonial government.
They were removed from the estern Region ad addded to Lagos Division to create Lagos State.

There is no technical Basis for those communities to be in Lagos State as they were never part neither of Ikorodu nor Epe Divisions

Check check..
He just wants to be called a Lagos boy,lol.

Lekki division of Lagos is actually supposed to be a coastal section of Ogun state.

odigbosky:
Yes i have two Edemas as friends
one Edo and Itsekiri

Are you saying he is mixed?

The people making MURIC release such more stupid reports as this are people such as Nairaland mods and other Online Nigerian media who are giving them the attention they need.

Wake up guyz, these people are basking in and enjoying all your comments and supposed irritability.

MURIC have been around for ages, but since last year the moment they noticed all the media attention, they have been releasing statement after statement! It doesn't take a genius to figure out why.

Y0ruba:
Goat.

The Solomon’s knot is not Arewa’s ‘logo’. It has foreign origins and it has assumed a sort of global status in arts & design.

Ife has two lines of aborigines. They are the Oduduwa group & Obatala group. From time immemorial in the ancient past, these groups had their separate markers and identifiers.

For the Oduduwa group - it is that knot pn the foot stool.

For the Obatala group - it is a flower-like pattern with petals.

These are inscribed on their crowns/coronets, temples, pendants & body marks for identification & allegiance.

Speaking on its use in Nigeria, that logo was originally Nothern Christian Association’s logo, it was a central part of the Christians’ insignia until the ‘One North’ political philosophy took footing & ‘Arewa’ hijacked it.


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Una nor go read, na so so spare parts & gala sales then cone on NL to make uneducated statements.

Hahahhahaha

Lawd have mercy.

I was just about to reply this thread, then I saw your befitting reply.

Thetruthsayer10:
ojukwu stop acting like u know history. The name Yoruba was given by the Songhai scholar Ahmed baba in his book and was only popularized by Hausa to refer to people of oyo. Hausa did not sack Oyo Ile the nupe did and no oba of oyo was killed. I don’t know where ipob get their history facts maybe there is an alternative facts privy only to ipob that the rest of the world doesn’t know about.

lol

Besides, what is "Olukumin" ?

Des OP mean Olukumi? which is Just 1 of the various Clans of Yoruba that goes by that name?

Besides, what Igbos call themselves today is from a Benin word "IGBON" meaning uncultured SLAVES, or people of the BUSH. The name was apt at the time, because at this time in history, that is basically what the disjointed tribes east of the Niger river who had no sense of commonality, nor kinship past the clan level were.

That is why till today, so many so called Igbo groups don't even want to be assciated with that name.

Why is it that NONE of these ghost killers have ever been apprehended?

Which kain country be this sef?

Probz:
And going by your history you like baiting Igbo people in general. Like I say if that’s all there is to you asking me look for those IPOB kids to troll. I won’t put on a yoruboid language expedition to soothe your Yoruba ego.

If that is what you think of my asking you to show some of what you know, then suite yourself.

Probz:
You still haven’t answered the question

This thread is about languages, so should it really be an issue who I decide to further ask some questions from about languages they know?
Besides, all the other people are so random, you on the other hand are not a random persona in the culture section.

I don't know why you sound so angry for nothing.

Probz:
Of course it’s none of your damn business what I speak. Go troll someone else.

He sounds angry already.

Probz:
None of your business. My language fluency ain’t here for your exhibition.

Of course you were lying.

Probz:
Igbo and a little bit of Yoruba and Igala here and there.

Hope to have mastered the last two olus German, French and Italian come Halloween.

Say some things in Yoruba & Igala

What is the point?
it already exists, unless they hope to rehabilitate the portions of road in bad conditions

ricktnum:
Yoruba people and their archaic rivalry. Shut up olo gbe ni

You can’t even write Yoruba properly and you are saying shite.
You don’t know what rivalry is either. So stfu and get off my mentions!

noah91:
It's not by population of the state if not Lagos would have topped the list. It's by state of origin.
Am sure based on region, it will be in the ranking: SW, SE, SS, NC, NW and NE

That is what I am saying, we aren't saying different things.

Are you telling me that Osun and Oyo state have similar populations?

I dey shame for oyo state... smh

What is the population of Osun compared to OYO that both states will be having similar candidature numbers? I pity Oyo.

Number 4 is either Ogun or Anambra..... I can bet my all my present bank savings.

onuwaje:
first we shud look at the numbers of Itsekiri communities in the d 3 Warri LGAs... as compared to the other tribes whose communities re also found within the confines. and we shud also look at the numbers of Indigenes (not residents) who re from that place..

and what indices or mathematical law did u use for ur growth projection rate cos i need to understand.
cheers

it is clearly tabulated, it is all assumptions.

Even if we assume all the three warri LGAs are 100% itsekiri as t 2006, the number still can't be more than 600K back then.

onuwaje:
it is believed that the number of Itsekiris are in the range of 800k-1.5m in Delta State along. the Diaspora population cannot be fixed at this point

Let us do some extrapolation from the 2006 National Population census

Warri North - 137,200
Let's assume it is 65% Itsekiri. = 89,180

Warri South-West - 116,681
Approx 45-50% Itsekiri = 58,340

Warri South = 303,417
Approx 34-40% Itsekiri = 91,025

Scattered communities in Ethipe west, Sapele, Udu, Uvwie
Lets say another 65,000

That is about 240,000

Lets assume an annual growth rate of 3.25% btw then and 2017

The population now should be around 470K now. (For Delta state Alone)

I want an honest reply from anyone who knows.

What is the population of Itsekiris?

400K maybe 500K?

Efewestern:
You can start by modifying your subsequent comments, u self know say urhobo no dey sabi beef una.


If you so much believe that Edema is a yoruba word then you can start by giving me the meaning, Thou dialect differ but you can easily tell which is Yoruba or not.

Edemadudun - Edema (Edoid) + dudu (Yoruba) .. You don't need a Prof to tell you which itsekiri word is Yoruboid or not, but I will definitely give you prove to my claim.. hold on.

And Gentleman in Yoruba is also Jeje , https://yoruba.english-dictionary.help/english-to-yoruba-meaning-gentleman ..

Will do that.

So what does Exema mean in Edo then, and how does its meaning connect to being a gentleman? The burden of proof is on the edoids, since this name exists in Three Yoruboid groups if not more, and yet no single Edo group bears Edema as a name yet you wanna claim it comes from them.

I already told you about dialectal difference already, I don’t know how else to explain it - but take this as an example.

The name Jolomi is a Yoruboid name. BUT you will only see it in Itsekiri and certain Ondo groups. Jolo (pronounced as Jorlor) is a Yoruboid word meaning beautify, replace , replenish, repair etc... but its use has a restricted grographical scape.
Now you can tell what a name like Oritsejolomi means.

Now, if I don’t see Jolo in my Yoruba dictionary- I would be very wrong to jump into a hasty conclusion by automatically assuming that it is an Edo name.

Another example will be the Igala name Onuche, Ogwuche or Onoja - these are very apecific Igala names one might even be tempted to think the first or second one is igbo- but believe me they are proper Yoruboid names that have been accented by the Yoruboid language in question (Igala). In Yoruba the first and second one would be Olushe (Master don do am) , while the second would be Ogunshe (Juju don do am). Third one would be Oloja (village owner i.e Ruler)

I hope you are getting my point sha?

Efewestern:
Edema isn't yoruboid either, any itsekiri word that has no Yoruba origin is either borrowed from Urhobo or Edo. Gentle in Yoruba means Jeje .. if an Ondo man answers that name then it's because of Bini influence in Ondo.

I find your earlier post about the Urhobo's offending.

Abeg no vex jare bros mi, sometimes people on NL can get on a gentlemen’s nerves and make him say some very unprintable things just to make a point.

To your other point, gentle is different from being a gentleman. They aren’t of the same context, for example calling a guy a gentleman doesn’t mean you are saying he is gentle or calling a gathering of people “Ladies and gentlemen” does not mean you are saying the men are gentle people. It is just a stylish way of calling someone well mannered or cultured.

Secondly, dialectal effects might have come into play in the formulation of some nuances in the names here , because not every Yoruboid dialect calls everything the same names. Edema might even be a compound or contracted longer word whose actual meaning has been lost but just the general idea remains. The Edemas in Ondo are not a result of bini influence neigther are the ones in Itsekiri. Edema isn’t an Edo name.

I stand to be corrected.

Crocky23:
You're Yoruba abi, on be of south south people I dash you Itsekiri.

You can't dash what isn't yours.

Neither can you dash something that is already part of something to that same thing.

You are one confused morrafacka.

Crocky23:
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You people can always join the SW. Traitors in the old Midwest, traitors now.

While the Midwest themselves are traitors in the Old West, Traitors now, traitors forever. What's your point?

You people can keep dreaming about one yeye midwest that Anioma, Ijaw, Akoko-Edo and Itsekiris will not be part of... is that one a midwest? Lmao

Efewestern:
it's a unique yoruboid language, influenced by Urhobo and Edo. some names up there are urhobo names, eg Okoro, Dolor etc while some are Edo names eg Edema.

errrm, are you sure Edema is an Edo name?

I have never seen any Benin man called Edema before, The only Edemas I know are Itsekiris,some from Ondo state and one guy from Ijebu waterside.

Crocky23:
These are descendants of Yoruba tradesmen.
They are not really south south like Urhobo people.

And what is your mumu sordid point exactly?

Didn’t everyone come from somewhere? Did everyone suddenly spring out of the ground in their present locations?

Urhobo no get origin?

Armaggedon:
you either do yourself the favour of reading things carefully or you quit this thread for threads within your intellectual capacity instead of making disjointed arguement. no point to refute? then what have you been struggling to do.
you have seen more mixed children of Igbo and yoruba then in your warped logic it means that is the fact? i made a valid statement that yoruba /Igbo intermarriage is nothing near the highest as claimed through media propaganda, you started by saying it happens everywhere but ended up saying it happen mostly in the city like i said. inter tribal marriage is when men From tribe A marry Women from tribe B and men from B take women from A. so far, Igbos give and dont 'take'. Igbo women get attracted to men from all the ethnic groups and marry in some cases but yoruba seems to be loudest about it.when people heavily intermarry, it is difficult to see a family without having a trace of another group. this is the case with hausa / fulani and itshekiri / urhobo. there is absolutely nothing like that in an average yoruba family viz Igbo that will warrant such a sweeping statement talk more of Igbo family that hardly take in other women. in fact unlike others that have to do with cultural contiguity, Igbo/ yoruba marriages are circumstantial. once lagos cease to be a meeting hubs it will end.

Here is someone who I actually thought had some substance upstairs , but as usual turns out to be the empty insulting type.
What is the point to refute in all you've been rambling about from your very first post, which are all personal opinions of yours and not facts?
Facts are refuted, opinions are countered with either facts or other opinions.

First you said Most Yoruba - Igbo marriage involve Upper class. I told you that would be wrong. What percentage of people meeting on streets getting married day in and out are even influential members of society?
Second is that they take place only in Lagos - Another wrong assertion, I wouldn't even say 50% take place in Lagos - but then, that is just my opinion, no need to get all worked up, Ms Lilian.

According to you, Those circumstances make such unions "Not balanced enough" to be classified as Inter-tribal marriage. But then, you come here to start talking about the definition of intertribal marriage is when tribe A marries tribe B Pls who is suffering from mental dystrophy here if not yourself?

Thirdly, I never claimed Yoruba-Igbo marriages happens everywhere, go learn to read! hrre is what I wrote:

Truth is the most common intertribal marriages are those between adjacent tribes, but those are mostly rural in nature, but in the cities (urban landscapes) in places such as Lagos or Abuja, one can't really make such bold assertions. Yoruba-Igbo marriages might actually outnumber all other urban inter-ethnic relations in Nigeria.

I never made any statement of 100% confidence anywhere, I said most common rural intertribal marriages take place between adjacent tribes, which is only the natural order, but in the urban landscapes of Nigeria in places such as Lagos or Abuja anything happens as these are melting pots of people, and no one can make any affirmative statements until they make a survey or go to places of official documentation to get a sample. I then buttressed my opinion by talking about what I have seen based on personal experience. Simple.

Finally, be it circumstantial or otherwise, or "Only because of Lagos" like you claim, That one is your own palaver. You can accelerate the process of "Downgrading Lagos from being a meeting hub" like you would love to happen, much faster by stop coming there already- instead of making spurious remarks here!
No one cares. At the end of the day, intertribal unions or not, more than 85% of marriages among either Yoruba or Igbo is still to their tribesmen, so I don't even get what the whole fuss is about.

Armaggedon:
how did you smuggle "alone" into my assertion? BTW you neither refuted any of my points successfully.

You said they mostly occur in the upper class, which is actually a false narrative, because the reverse is actually the case here. It is more common among the screps of society, for nothing else but the mere fact that in Nigeria they constitute the main mass of society.. How many younger people in street level relationships and with kids even do proper weddings anymore these days?
You even said Yoruba men were the only ones marrying Igbo women and from the other direction no Igo men were marry Yoruba women. Another of your opinions, and while I agree that more Yoruba men marry Igbo women than Igbo men marrying Yoruba women, it is more like a 65-35 situation, and not a lack of both in substantial numbers.

I can't refute your points because you had no point to begin with, just opinions based on what you think, which you would realize to be evidentially wrong if facts in form of raw data were to be presented. In Lagos, I have seen more children with mixed Yoruba-Igbo names than Yoruba-Others by a whole lot of wide margin.

Armaggedon:
IGBOS AND YORUBAS HAVE THE MOST INTERTRIBAL MARRIAGE IN NIGERIA
This one of the most repeated false statements about Igbos recently. Igbos are conservative when it comes to intermarriage. Despite this there has been numerous cases of men from cousin tribes contiguous to Igboland such as Ijaw,Efik/ Ibibio, Isoko etc marrying Igbo women in the past and presently. However, aside Ibibio /Efik where Igbo men occasionally marry from, it is very difficult to see an Igbo man married to woman from another tribe. Conversely, Yoruba men embrace inter tribal marriage for reasons best known to them. In fact most Yoruba men I know would wish to marry outside their tribe. Since millions of Igbos and yorubas meet daily in lagos it not strange to occasionally see marriage between a Yoruba man and an Igbo lady . However this in no way makes marriage between Igbo and Yoruba the biggest in Nigeria. Marriages between the Hausas and Fulanis unarguably constitute the biggest in Nigeria followed arguably by that of Yorubsa and Edos. There is also high rate of intermarriage between Yoruba and Hausa as well as itshekiri and urhobo. Unlike these other cases, Most Yoruba/ Igbo marriages involve Igbo women and Yoruba men and they occur mostly among people in the upper class of Lagos, which makes it not balanced enough to be called inter tribal marriage by my definition. Excessive media exhibitionism often accorded to Igbo/Yoruba marriages creates this false impression.

lol lol lol

Yes, Yorubas are more open to intertribal relationships because Yorubaland has historically always been a melting pot of sorts, various people have come and gone through what is now Yorubaland and this part of the world has always been open and well connected to all surrounding areas. But at the end of the day the Yoruba people always remain the only outlasting legacy.

While I am not really for or against intertribal marriages especially being the person from a dominant culture such as mine having nothing to fear, I would caution you to re-think your assertions that Yoruba-Igbo intermarriage is limited to just the Upper class in Lagos alone.
Have you visited the Lagos state marriage/wedding registry to study the stats or what? Secondly, why does it end in just Lagos? You think Lagos is the only place in the SW where Igbos can be found?

Those intertribal marriages making the headlines are only getting such publicity because the people involved are society people, but there are literally hundreds that take place going unnoticed each day.

Truth is the most common intertribal marriages are those between adjacent tribes, but those are mostly rural in nature, but in the cities (urban landscapes) in places such as Lagos or Abuja, one can't really make such bold assertions. Yoruba-Igbo marriages might actually outnumber all other urban inter-ethnic relations in Nigeria.
My 2 Kobo.

Mehn, water hyacinth is one hell of an annoying plant... it grows so fcking fast and literally clogs everywhere and blocks everything

Look at this OP who wants to use Back door to claim that there are Igbos in Kogi state while pretending to be curious

70-75% of Kwara is Yoruba, 10% are Baruba, 15% are Nupe while the remaining 5% are Fulanis in Ilorin and elsewhere across the state both settled and nomadic.
23% of Kogi state is Yoruba, 30% are Ebira, 40% are Igala, 2% are Bassa while the remaining 5% are Nupes, Idoma, Ogoris and the Hausas in Lokoja.

First two sentences are right.

The rest of the story = Bullshit.

Did Sango , Ogun, Oronmila etc and the rest of them even live at the same time?

Anibeze abi Anubeze? ? ?

Probz:
Partly and partly a symbol of practicality in a globalised world. You don’t get any gold medals for being primitive.

Primitive like Wole Soyinka, Chinua Achebe, Haile Sellassie or Lee Kuan Yew?

Which practicality biko?
Somebody living in one Nigerian village bearing Derrick Carter is that practicality or inferiority complex?