₦airaland Forum

mfm04622:
There are many gods worshipped in Yoruba land. They gain prominence and die with time. Each town has there own diety. The popular gods today are relatively new. Ogun, Sango, Egungun, Igunuko all came after Islam in Yoruba land. Fact. Not even after Islam was started ooo, after Islam got to Yoruba land

You don't even understand Yoruba culture.

mentioning Egungun and Igunnuko in the same context as Ogun or Sango shows that you don't know what you are talking about.
Are Egungun and Igunnuko (Nupe masquerade) Yoruba gods?

mfm04622:
That is the mistake people make. Islam was in Yoruba land long before some of the dieties Yoruba worships. For example, Islam was in Yoruba land before Egungun worship was introduced to Yoruba land from the Tapa people by Sango's mother. Islam was in Yoruba land also before Sango's worship. Don't have record of when Oro started in Yoruba land.
The problem any right thinking person will find with this Oro festival is why was it done during the day? Oro was usually done at night. What changed? They don't get enough people to kill during the night again? I will suggest you think things through instead of just reacting because a Muslim pointed this out

Islam was in Yorubaland before Egungun?

Egungun was introduced from Tapa (Nupe) people?

What a load of bullcrap!

some people and digging up of old dead threads sef.

Adelaide2:
Olodo rabata. When they ask you to travel out from your Ogbomosho forest you would not. Adikwu is a typical Benue name, precisely Idoma, or at the least, Tiv.

And the person who called him a Yoruba man hasn't travelled from his evil forest homestead in Anambra abi?
Abi e no see the name? how can a normal Nigerian call Adikwu Yoruba.?

It is okay.

Unlike Liberia or Sierra Leone, Ebola in Congo has infinitesimal chance of entering Nigerian borders if ever.

platinumtt:
In the context of Yoruba culture during the era of sango, braiding or plaiting of hair is attributed to the females.

Says who?
You probably call what sango around his waist a "skirt" as well...abi?

Empiree:
this is rubbish they want to infest in ilorin is the reason Yoruba, non-Muslims especially are agitating for taking kwara and ilorin. This is why I'm never supporting this type of typical Yoruba practices and culture in ilorin

See ode...Mumu will always find a way to justify his mumuism.

Ok so ask yourself , is Ilorin in anyway better than Ikorodu or other Yoruba towns that practices Yoruba culture 100%?
Maybe when Ilorin gets to Boko Haram level of "Islamic culture" you will be most pleased by then.

platinumtt:
Deliberate twisting of history should be considered as a punishable crime. Did the lady even ask herself when trouser was introduced in Africa to label Sango a cross dresser. The only feminist attribute exhibited by Sango was the plaiting of his hair. And that started after he married his last wife who was always plaiting his hair out of love. The most painful part is that there are thousands versions of Sango's history and it is very hard to tell the original undiluted one. Another history book has it that there were two Sango. The original Sango during the era of obatala and Orunmila. Another Sango, which is the 4th king of Oyo (birth name: Itiolu) copied the attributes of original Sango.

On the point of Adodi and Adofuro as used in the yoruba proverb. This is extremely ridiculous. These two words actually mean the same thing as Adodi is a more subtle way of the word Adoduro. It has nothing to do with homosexualism. In fact, yoruba culture frowns at homosexuality

You are completely right on all your other points, but please when did braiding the hair become an exclusively female trait?
Men have always braided their hair/locks all over Africa and beyond.

Mynd44:
We already know this na so she should come with something else.

It is interesting the in Yoruba there are no words for apple, pineapple and even onions (alubosa from etymology shows that it was adopted and changed for easy pronunciation) yet there are two distinct words for being gay.

You have words like adodi and adofuro meaning being homosexual has always had some place in yoruba history but what is not clear is if it was outlawed but then again, there has never being historical evidences to show anyone was punished for it.

But then again, it is never seen that people practiced it in the open either by marriage or it was socially accepted but it existed.
As for the cross-dressing, popular musician Obesere has been wearing female clothing on stage for tears so Bobrisky's antics does not even surprise me. I guess what changed is the attitude and seeming feminity of Bobrisky that draws attraction to him

Adodi and Adofuro are not the Yoruba words for homosexuality, they are RECENT coinages to ridicule gay people. And they are very insulting slurs when they are used. They are even worse than "gay" in English.
If Adodi is being gay, then how does it describe Lesbians (who are still gay) and crossdressers?

Mr Man, stop saying RUBBISH to appear half smart.

This is the question haunting the very existence of Nigeria itself.
Right of birth or habitation vs right of indigenship.

All those people you mention are Igbos but are not Easterners.

tragergeorge:
olu of itsekiri kingdom nor olu of warri

Nothing like itsekiri kIngdom
The traditional name of Itsekkiri land is Warri or Iwerre.
The name "Warri" is an Itsekiri cultural copyright.

If you people don't like it maybe you should try and upgrade your kings in Effurun and other places, no itsekiri is dragging effurun or ughelli kings with you people.

this little girl is a "House-help"?

Now they are on the project to exterminate the native Gbaris and other christian tribes of SOUTHERN KADUNA.

I can authoritatively tell you that these are Fulanis because they are speaking Pure Fulfulde!

This is a language I understand, and they made mention that they took the drums from church and that they will dance till dusk.

Anyone who says otherwise is a Terrorist sympathiser!

34webers:
He is not justifying anything. He is concerned about the lies being peddled around that fulani were responsible for that particular killing. Explain that and stop attempting to make it sound as if the foolish IPOP animals never made such foolish accusation. The bottomline is; people should stop telling lies to cover up their wickedness against themselves since it will still be revealed just like this case. Now, you don't want that accusation to be discussed again because it is a very pure white lie. Is this not the same foolishness ipob animals are still spreading around that the president is one jubrin from Sudan?

Oh, and I guess the Fulanis you are here busy defending will give you 10 free heads of cattle for doing a great job?

rusher14:
But some people said it was Fulani Herdsmen that committed the heinous crimes.

Stop trying to justify the atrocities of Fulani terrorists by using the cover of crime committed by others.

What is the problem with some of you people sef?
Are you cursed to ass-lick Fulanis for the major part of your lives?

Awon ti Pablo Escobar

This thing sweet die. Made from Ewura (Water yam)

It has a unique taste different from Akara.

Jackossky:
Yep, I am.
Though I live my early life in the east, coming back to lag was a turning point. I mean, that's my hometown.
I regard myself as a full blooded Yoruba 'person' and I see myself as such.
You know, some says NO! Egun is not Yoruba, I mean, some people who one can regard as connoisseurs, even some of my peers
Though I do rebuff them but then, I said... Let me be sure, I shouldn't be living in a state of skeptical mental ignorance.

I once called an elder in my family to confirm this annotation, he attested to it and said that ogu people are also part of Yoruba.

Now, here is my conviction.
I do think ogu is part of Yoruba, almost everyone in my hometown are well versed in Yoruba and Egun 'sic'
I have hardly come across one (an Egun man) who can't speak Yoruba. Though there are difference in both language when compared, there are some slight similarities though. This can also be said from those in other part of Yoruba climes

Ultimately, identity is a matter of personal conviction.
No matter what others say or think, if you identify as Yoruba, you are one.

It might also interest you to take the note that no ethnic group on this globe is 100% homogeneous- For example there are some Egbiras who now see thenselves as Yoruba , there is this Aba egbira beside my village- they came as Ebiras but are now with their children and grandchildren nothing but Yoruba. The only thing which remains of their now 'obsolete; identify is the name of their village “aba Egbira”

Ethnicity is a fluid concept, and Yoruba is an ethnic group that absorbs and acculturates.
Personally, as far as Nigeria is concerned, Eguns are Yoruba. But then, those who chose not to be are not.
Very simple.

Jackossky:
True, even 'I' for example can attest to that.
But I am very sure that the practice of the 'withdrawal method' is now obsolete.
Though, few might still be using it but it isn't idiosyncratic to them.
Jeez... I lose my respect for Wikipedia.
Wikipedia was of the opinion that the ogu peope are different from Yoruba but accepted that the awori people are a sub group of the Yoruba people.
Then, i took my 'self enlightenment' further and discovered that it wasn't true.
Maybe it's what I want to hear, maybe not.. SINCE I am assured of great minds on Nairaland, then I think I can have a concrete answer to hold on to.
Facts to backup my claims and repute any other controversial one.

For example,
The link below asserts that ogu people were originally from ile ife. Here is an excerpt

'The Ogu people are historically reputed to have migrated from the ancient Ketu,(part of Oduduwa’s Kingdom) and they left Ile-ife around the mid-13 th .Century, for Accra in Gold Coast. The Ga/Ewe(Aja-Ogu) speking group of today´s Ghana are indeed the kith and kin of the Ogu of Badagry. The history of Badagry has a fascinating tradition of Kingship (Wheno-Aholu) and local administration.'

Source :
http://association-of-lagos-state-origin-hamburg-ev.com/contents/people

Sorry I meant to say that the practice is now obsolete, not the other "not obsolete"
Forget about Aworis, they are Yoruba through and through. The person mentioning Aworis and Eguns in the same sentence discussing their identity does not know what he is talking about.

Are you egun? And what is your personal conviction about the Eguns as a whole?

Jackossky:
Thanks for this, though I read that they were from ile ife, then later to the Benin republic, Togo et al before they finally settled at Apa (somewhere in Badagry) and this was before Nigeria was colonised
Therefore making them a certified Yoruba.
I just want to be sure because there RE many controversial answers. Not even Wikipedia coz there are some erroneous content in there

Eg ( it was written that the ogu people considers Condom a taboo)

When I read that part, I had to invalidate all what I have simmered in from there because that assertion is mendacious.

So, the main point is that... The ogu people are also part of Yoruba, right?
Though, they have an ethnic language which is egun, so do others. Even the ilaje, ogbomoso, ikare, ondo and the rest has a distinct *tongue* and are still thus classified as Yoruba.

Well, as per what you read on wikipedia, the thing is that so many authors on wikipedia rely on written literature from other online sources which they themselves have read at one point or the other since most of them aren't eve from the areas which they are writing things about.
It might have beeen true at a particular time that eguns considered contraceptives to be a taboo, or maybe sme of them considered coitus interruptus a taboo. Probably it wasn't all the eguns that practised it but just a group of them ad most likely the practice is not obsolete, but don't discount it completely because it looks odd to you.

If we are to go by the oral history of all the Gbe speaking groups which include Eguns, Fon, Ewe, Mahi, Adja, Popos (Phlas), Kotafons etc - it all points back to Yoruba. except the Minas who mention Ghana as their own point of origin. Now, whether that makes them Yoruba is another issue. In my opinion it does not make them Yoruba IF they have a different and INDEPENDENT identity, so while the Ewes for example reference Ife and Ketu as their points of origin , they are NOT Yoruba.

For Egun, the case is different because together with their oral history they have also intermixed extensively with Yoruba.
A name like Oluwafemi Senayon or Adeola Hunvi is not uncommon in both Badagry or Porto Novo.

Jackossky:
Hello Sir , I hope you are still on Nairaland?
I have been trying to get my facts straight about the Yoruba and Egun (ogu) people.

I did think that the ogu people are a sub division of the Yoruba people. I mean, they are majorly in Badagry, one can even say that they dominates Badagry and Badagry is seen as a major part of lagos.(Lagos as we know today comprises Yoruba,)

I have been trying to make my research on this which made me come across this thread, I haven't been able to get a concrete answer if the Egun people are also Yoruba.While some links agreed that Egun is a sub division of Yoruba, some beg to disagree.
MOST sites I visited were controversial
Now, I don't want to feed posterity with hogwash and hearsays, maybe there is any site you can direct me to, so I can get a concrete answers from there.

Some Yoruba says Ogu people are not part of them, some ogu said likewise. But most (Yoruba and ogu) still thinks the ogu and the Yoruba are one.
I for one think so.
Please, tell me what you know about the Yoruba and the ogu people and I want to be sure if it won't be asinine of me to call an Ogu man a Yoruba

Share your view with me Sir.


Others who are versed on this subject matter can also contribute their opinions.

Waiting for your response BOSS

Eguns are not linguistically Yoruba they are More like Fons of Benin republic in that aspect.
That being said, all those ethnic-groups are more or less similar in every other regard. Even in benin republic, Guns and Yorubas have internixed so extensively in porto novo and environs that it is now mostly hard to say which is which.

So, depending on who is concerned, egun can be seen as a part of the larger Yoruba identity, and they might not.

Annnonymous:
Na.... i don't want you to masturbate this afternoon

Disgusting.

Annnonymous:
Bam Bam is facially ugly sha

Got a great bofy tho

She is NOT ugly facially

She is just there facially. I.e Average.
Her weak chin is her nemesis.

Show us your picture.
Isn’t it so easy to remain anonymous online and be calling people bold enough to be out there doing their thing ugly?

fratermathy:
Urhobos did not migrate through ANIOCHA! Haba! Where do you guys get these revisitionist history from?

Urhobos are not Ijoid or Itsekiri as Scholes0 put it. Urhobos are Edoid. Pure and simple. Infact, it is Itsekiri that was influenced by Urhobo, not the other way around.

Ijaws have always been autochnous to the Niger Delta area and have been there before other groups. However, there are only marginal influences of Ijaw in the Western Niger Delta groups.

Historical revisionists should be warned. I'll take on you here.

I didnt say urhobos were ijaws or Itsekiris.
I was trying to put the various cross cultural influences between all the various groups in the area into context by juxtaposing their cultures- so while there is more relationship between western urhobo clans like Okpes for example and Itsekiris, itsekiris have virtually 0 historically contact with Isokos.
I hope you understand.

Fratermathy.
He understands ukwuani but does not understand urhobo. One of his parents (likely mother) is also very likely ukwuani.

I think that explains all his unapologetic unacademic blunderings from page 0.

That was why I even had to tag gou and efe, because I was getting irritated and hadto call someone to take over.

fero007:
I think you'll agree that dressing looks similar(at least when compared to my Yoruba dressing), I know urhobos have tradition of carrying wine to visitors, going for omuguo, and I know lots of times I've heard urhobos speaking and hearing Igbo words as dey talk.

I've noticed same with ijaws, Isoko, ikwerre ogoni, and some crossriver languages

And you were claiming to be a Yoruba guy with very little knowledge of this region in your opening post.


That Yoruba guy who came in here to call you out as a sock puppet pretending to be what you are not was absolutely right.
Unforumately his post was deleted by moderators for some weird reason.

fero007:
To me the isokos and urhobos are less like Bini, etsako, ishan and more like itsekiri, ijaw and kwale

Isokos yes maybe.
Urhobos.... well it depends on which area. They are culturally between Benin, Itsekiri and maybe ijawish.

Etsakos on the other hand aren't even benin-like.

michaelkaroh:
do you even know history. Go to the oba's palace and ask him why he never steps foot in urhobo land. Go and ask evwreni people and they will boldly tell you their ancestors were igbos. Learn history my friend, it will do you a lot of good.

ohh so the ancestors of Evwreni people are Igbos but they started speaking an edoid language and decided to start calling themselves evwreni.
Evwreni and igbide were not founded by Igbos in any way, the legend only makes mention of an Igbo hunter who came to settle among the people there.

Some people might have revised the folklore, but you haven just heard the actual version from me