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HigherEd:
Being in church is a must for anyone to secure his redemption.

He is right. Your indoctrination must be reinforced regularly to prevent you from waking up. I became an atheist a week after I left fellowship.

Our belief in juju is a form of Mental slavery.

The people don't look particularly excited about your book. Will they even have time to read it? And why are the bible gospels not good enough?

Deckline:
This is really annoying and considering the fact that Nairaland as a forum gives one the freedom of anonymity and an unknown identity,lazy and jobless youths have used it to sour the moments of young goal-driven people with savage and annoying responses.
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I saw a thread created by a female nairalander stating what she loves in a man,in less than 10minutes,you would count up to 10 insulting comments. They even insulted her father and i was like WTF! This is really umbecoming and definately not the way forward.
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As the white people say RESPECT IS RECIPROCAL.
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Let me remind you,nairaland is what it is today because of us. Without us,there wouldn't be nairaland.
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I made this post at a time like this when i think those Jss 3 boys would have gone to bed.
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Please let us learn to respect ourselves. Nairaland is not for bashing. We don't know who is who and truth be told,we don't know if our destined helpers are here within.
#saynotoSavageAttack
cc Roctation
mynd44, lalasticlala,seun
FP abeg

Mynd44 will take care of this. Just report the posts.

How is he earning that much?

Glycolysis:
I suffered hallucinations then ??.....I knew it will be all you could come up with.
I repeat, an experience I had that night was NEVER a hallucinations of any.

You keep asserting that the “presence” you felt wasn’t a hallucination. What makes you so sure of this, knowing that hallucinations often look, sound and feel real to the people experiencing them?

No word can describe what I experienced that very night in the chapel....yea,I did not see any Supernatural Being.
But I felt a present that got me shaking & fell on the floor,I was just crying... Seriously,I don't know how to explain these experience.

Michael Jackson fans used to cry and faint during his concerts. If the natural presence of MJ could cause girls to faint, it’s not surprising that believing that you’d been personally visited and touched by the Creator of the universe would lead to a similarly intense emotional reaction.

It's no honeymoon feeling whatsover..I was not even trying to stop my human tendencies within those days.....they just went off just like that.

If this is true, why didn't it last? Did the transformative power of God get exhausted?

Glycolysis:
I was rude & arrogant, watches porn movies & masturbates to them. Which I acknowledged.

I went to our then chapel in school at night ,all alone...went to the altar,all I was saying is God forgive me & show me yourself...I want an experience with you..I don't just want to live in the believe that sciences have the solution to my quest.

Do you know what ??...ONLY MY BLOOD & MY CONSCIOUS CAN BEAR ME WITNESS TO THESE EVENT THAT HAPPENED LONG AGO IN MY LIFE ;

I felt a present ,not just a present,a present that my whole body was shivering ! I feel on the floor & wept like a baby .. I cried like ,I can't explain it...

My whole life just came in a flash to my eyes ; I was actually not "saved" ! ...I wept ,I wept & I wept .. I felt a powerful present ! It's no hallucinations !

I believe that you had a very intense emotional experience and felt everything you said you felt, but how did you come to the conclusion that it was not a hallucination? Hallucinations feel real to the people who experience them. It’s often hard to convince mental patients that the voices in their head are not real, because to them the voices sound totally real. You didn’t even hear or see anything, you just “felt a presence” after working yourself into a frenzy. That’s nothing jor.

After that day experience, my very self changed .
I became more interested in studying the Bible...
I stopped porns & masturbations I have always struggled with in life ...not of my own accords..I can't still explain how it happened till date..
My behaviour ? Classmates were shock .. When I went home,my mothers could not believe how I changed TOTALLY...Me ? I. could not believe these is me,Victor, of all people .

The overnight change in your behavior was due to your belief that the creator of the universe had personally paid you a visit and even touched you. Your desire to maintain this relationship gave you the willpower to stop the vices which you felt he would not like. You were obsessed with spiritual things and this left little or no time to engage in your vices.

It is very similar what happens when a beautiful woman who is far out of a man’s league shows romantic interest in him. Overnight, he develops a strong desire to improve every aspect of himself so he can keep her.

Though with time,I must admit, I could not continue to pray over & over again ....I couldn't continue to live according to the Bible principle..and with time ; I went back to my very old self again ,even till date . I won't lie about that...

Every relationship has a honeymoon period. During that period, you strive to manifest the best version of yourself to your lover. But it doesn’t last forever.

But that singular experience, provided me with MORE evidence that there is a supernatural being that oversees human affairs ....

No, even if your experience was “real” and not a hallucination, which we have no reason to believe, it only provides you with evidence that there exists an intoxicating presence which is capable of motivating you to improve your lifestyle for a short period of time.

Will these hold as an evidence ? No,to you...what if I lied that I experienced what I did not experience ?

I believe your story but your interpretation of your experience is the problem.

You thought God wanted to have a personal relationship with you, so you got obsessed with God’s things for a while. If the celebrity you sexually adore most in the world (Jessica Alba? just guessing) approached you and said “I want to be yours but you have to do A, B, C and stop doing X, Y and Z in order to have me” it would have the same effect.

Glycolysis, thanks for sharing your personal experience with us. I will comment on it later.

evansjeff:
What has happened to Nairaland? Gone are the glory days, it is now the dumping ground for fake and unverified news.

It is only on Nairaland you see tweets of people like Reno and FFK making headlines whereas you watch TV, listen to radio,read newspapers, go to other online mediums and you won't even know those people exist.

Yesterday was the height of it, the front page of Nairaland was littered with tweets from these folks, from the story of APC senators entering into the national assembly from the back door, to them moving to Sheraton, to Oshiomhole's house and then one list from PDP senators all these were only seen on Nairaland and no where else.

Seun something must be done about this else this platform goes to the dust. Some of your mods are compromised already. What's so difficult in verifying the facts before posting to front page?

mynd44, lalasticlala

Great conversation, guys.

Glycolysis:
But below ,is MY findings that there MUST be someone that has the power to make the world we live today....

MY EVIDENCE ;
There are three (3) things I have always wanted a SUBSTANTIAL answer(s) for in life ;

1-Time
2- How life ACTUALLY started &
3-The creation of the earth & other heavily bodies..

Please answer these two questions for me (apologies if already answered):
1) Will you drop your belief in God when science provides you with satisfactory answers to the 3 things you want answers to?
2) Let's say that you’re right about the existence of a Creator. How do you determine which religion worships the true Creator?

The veneration of Mary, a woman, is one of the few good things about Roman Catholicism. Please stop trying to take this away from them.

Create and execute a plan for success instead of worrying.

Evangkatsoulis:
Well I guess you are talking about the christian God then. 'Cause God doesn't necessarily have to be able to see the future. God is simply the creator of the universe not neccesarily a precog.

There are many views of God but I'm talking about the all-powerful, all-knowing, just, merciful, and loving Creator that most Nigerians worship.

urahara:
Actually Bros j gave a definite time. "Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place” (Matthew 24:34).

When he says in Matthew 16:28, “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom

Correct. Sadly, Christians have gotten around this by interpreting "generation", "taste death", and "coming in his kingdom" very creatively.

[quote author=wwwmaster post=70039011]Also, fix the login issues. It has lingered.[/quote]Tell me more about the login issues you’re referring to.

Optionally, www master: Thanks for the suggestion. We should be able to fix this shortly.

Humchi:
Okay, what if there are undiscovered proves to be discovered in the next 2 years about God existence, where do you think your soul would be if you die before it's been proven?

I have no fear of hell because any being smart enough to create the universe would know that nobody deserves to be burned for eternity. Think about how painful it is to burn your finger. Imagine that unbelievable pain all over your body for millions of years multiplied by millions of years. Obviously, nobody deserves that. Not even Hitler, terrorists, and serial killers. This should be obvious to any superior intelligence. Any being smart enough to create the universe would know that the best way to deal with evil is to prevent it if you’re capable of doing so.

Judging it with the analogy you used(moi moi), happens to be truly cancerous(if moi moi is cancerous before doctors prove it), don't you think people would have been dying of it without us knowing?

What if I told you that an alien appeared to me last night and said that rice, beans, noodles, meat, fish, chicken, tomatoes, pepper, onions, salt, sugar, milk, corn flakes, garri, yam, wheat and all leafy vegetables cause cancer. Would you stop eating all those foods just to be safe?

Dboy55:
sir whats the differrnce between the absence of belief in God and being 100% certain that no god exist ?

Do you believe that moin-moin causes cancer? No. This is not to say that you are certain that moin moin doesn’t cause cancer, but until you read a medical report or study from a reputable organization which links moin-moin to cancer, you’ll continue to eat it and enjoy every bite.

It’s a position of living your life without any concerns about what God may or may not want until someone proves that he even exists. Atheists are doubting Thomases. Thomas wasn’t certain that Jesus had not risen from the dead, but he didn’t believe the claim until he 'saw Jesus'.

Can a techie person help me to figure out why it’s not working, please?

Have you noticed that religious apologists always pretend that they don't understand what atheism means? No matter how many times you tell them that atheism is simply the absence of belief in God, they will continue to define it as the position of being 100% certain that no God exists.

zyzxx:
i know you want to make yourself God that why you claiming no God

Sorry, I was using the image to test our image serving system which was I was tweaking at that time. I hope you didn’t experience any glitches?

Evangkatsoulis:
What language would the "I AM GOD: I EXIST" be arranged in?

English, of course.

And how do you know if the everyday arrangement of stars spells "I AM GOD: I EXIST" in ancient languages long forgotten

Because God would know to communicate with us in a language we understand. He could even arrange stars in every language ever spoken.

Again, why 5 minutes?

We have to set a time limit so we can conclude the challenge has failed if nothing happens within that time. Jesus promised to come soon and 2000 years later, people still believe he will come like a thief in the night. If he had given a definite time, we’d have been able to move on.

Shebi the light we see from stars are from thousands or millions of years ago? Wouldn't that mean that God would be answering the prayers of someone millions of years ago?

We have been told that God exists “outside time ” and knows the future so millions of years ago he knew you’d pray and already answered it.

And if I may ask, how does star arrangement prove that a transcendental being created the universe?

It’s a good first step. Arranging the stars through time is so difficult that I can concede that a person who could do that might be the creator.

awesomeJ:
Keep searching. Why give up so early.
Your guess isn't relevant.

The quotation is a lie as far as I'm concerned. That which is proposed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Back to the topic!

Every Christian denomination believes that their gospel is the true one and the gospels of the other denominations are false.

Even in the New Testament there are many contradictory gospels, so how can anyone be sure that they have the right gospel?

awesomeJ:
Why not find out for yourself who he is, the authenticity of the post, and what the dots mean.

I've been searching for a while and cannot figure out where the quote originally came from. My guess is the same place scripture came from.

MrTunjiBanjo: They are not seducing spirits. They are just beautiful women. Don't be silly.

Onliie:
please I'm having the same problem. How can I contact that pastor. It's driving me crazy.

Dont be a maga.

johnydon22:
So atheists, what do you consider to be the thesis that must be confirmed for the theory of God to make sense?

If, within five minutes after a specific prayer by a theist, the stars in the sky were rearranged to spell I AM GOD: I EXIST, and it could be seen by everybody, and it could be scientifically confirmed by every astronomer that that the stars had indeed been moved around and it wasn't just an optical illusion, then I might be convinced that there exists a great mind out there which is capable of moving stars around in response to prayer.

Can any theist make this happen? (cc: winner01)

awesomeJ:
It's not why can't he?
It's "Why won't he"

He won't cos, he doesn't have to.

You think he reckons that much with fools?

Mind you, only fools and apes are convinced by Charles Darwin.

Any man who believes the proposition actually needs help with his mental faculty.

The vast majority of sensible and intelligent people in the world are fools, but you are wise? How arrogant!

The earth rotates to cause day and night,

The earth doesn’t rotate to cause day and night for us. Rather, humanity observed the effect of the earth’s rotation and labeled it “day” and “night”. The earth, like many objects in the universe, was rotating long before we got here, and will continue to rotate after we are gone.

The male reproductive organ is a perfect fit for the females,

No, it is not a perfect fit. Sometimes it’s too big, but more commonly, it's too small. Hence the endless debate about whether ‘size matters'.

The brain detects harmful substances from just smell and taste

1) It only detects some substances, not all. Otherwise it would be almost impossible to poison a rat or any other creature with a brain.
2) Evolution explains this. Our ancestors who could identify and avoid potentially dangerous foods survived, while those who couldn’t died.

Evaporation exists to make for a perfect water cycle,

No.

When plants eject Oxygen, animals take it in and vice versa,

When PDP ejects politicians, APC takes them in and vice versa. This doesn’t mean that someone intentionally designed it to work that way.
Plants came before animals. They used the sun's rays for energy and to build their bodies, and excreted lots of oxygen into the atmosphere.
Animals evolved to use the bodies of plants and the waste product of photosynthesis (oxygen) for their own stuff. They weren’t co-designed.

There exists terminal Velocity in fluids that prevent raindrops from hitting humans with a destructive momentum,

But it doesn’t prevent the raindrops from freezing into hailstones and hitting humans with destructive momentum.

The DNA contains one of the most complex codes

No, DNA is just an organic molecule which self-replicates. We call it ‘code’ because it has a code-like structure, but it’s just a molecule. Sometimes you might see a cloud that’s shaped like a human face in the sky, but you can be certain that it’s not an actual human face.

The summary of your argument for God is “nice things exist, therefore God must have made them”. But what about bad things like Ebola?

I feel that creating fiction to fight against fiction is a bad idea. This is very close to being regarded by me as false information.

hopefulLandlord:
I strongly think you pasted the wrong link

Thanks. Corrected. https://www.nairaland.com/4603041/atheists-theists-morality-subjective-objective

You can use https://www.nairaland.com/4603041/atheists-theists-morality-subjective-objective for the discussion on morality.