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Izachk:
I refute

Enough of denial from you, Seyibrown. A country that purchases ammo, used or used ever says to others, dont think I am not ready for you. Even thinking about ammo is as good as purchasing, which is as good as ready for war, which is as good as fighting a war if ever there is a chance for it. America did preemptive strike in the shock and awe of Iraq which later was the signal for the invasion of the muslim infidels according to Christian belief. Raed the word infidel in your Timothy part of the Bible.

You believe that a mere thought of something is as good as doing it. Thats in your new testament, why all of a sudden it changes when Jesus was already a clear cut Jihadist? Why buy swords? Why say I came with wars? Why say I come to bring "no peace"? Why say I come to divide the family? Why say slay them before me, since its in a parable and every parable is about Jesus?

Really, then you seem to lack basic understanding of this thread, central to what Deep is saying,is why would God authorize grotesques actions against unborn Children, premise on this then a suicide bomber who claims to be fighting a war can legitimately claim that God told him to do what he is doing period. To say committing atrocities in the name of God whether in war or in peace makes any difference is very ingenious indeed.

vedaxcool:
^^^^

One should laugh at how you couldn't raise any objection that Jesus did sanction violence when the Jews were at his throat, more so instead of explaining to us why Jesus was battle ready u try hard to divert attention from what i raised, guess what all this bears the hall mark of hypocrisy and desperation fueled by an in ordinate flair to hang unto any form of self denial, all this only makes me laugh since deep within you, the truth has been read. Point where I lied, if not you lack any form of virtue to be found in decent and credible individual. And for you dumb information, the word Jihad simply means struggle, this could be in any form be it in a battle to fight oppression or doing charitable things like cleaning the road of dangerous implements, but again Jesus demand for swords was premise on religious vigor as he made reference to the fact that when he sent his disciples on errands of religious nature they didn't they carry swords? now he advise them take swords on your mission, two swords would have been enough since he apparently wasn't expecting to many people to come and arrest him, he expected jews like himself not Romans to come to arrest him, it is to be noted that Peter looped off some one's ear with one of the sword. again would your desperation let you answer simple questions? Why would somebody be so desperate in the face of truths revealed to her,

Madam how many swords is enough for Jihad? since you are apparently a Jihad expert with desperate inclination to deny the truth when you see it, Jesus hardly had an army to start with that is why two swords is enough for his band of 12 men to engage in street fight as we know that just a couple of men came to arrest him. But madam desperation would you ever put things in their context to observe the truth? I guess not.

Exactly, vexdacool! How does the bolded in your quote translate to starting a war?  We know that the OP was reffering to 'large-scale killing of others in the name of religion', and that Islamic terrorists use the word in describing their actions.

vedaxcool:
This is very much the issue, if one person can claim God told him to do something Ignoble like killing women and children during war then a suicide bomber is very much justified to claim God told him to do what he is doing.

@Deepsight talk about desperation in religion, pls do not fall for his tactic he is simply trying to change the topic seeing that he has been clearly flogged, note the most sensible thing to do in this case is to simply reject that god actually gave those orders rather this two Genocidal elements are defending the indefensible. One can conclude that some one could have tossed this into the bible or tried to glamorize their children ship of God.

Pastor AIO:
you see, I am a man that does as he is told.  Upon reading your post above I immediately googled 'ripped pregnant women open' as you instructed.  this is what I found.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=ripped+pregnant+women+open&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&redir_esc=&ei=SfTwTLW8NIuwhQfp7YGDDA

http://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/pregnant_women_ripped_open.htm

It centers around a quote from hosea where God punishes the israelites by sending the assyrians, who will rip open their pregnant women.  There is no mention here of it being done so that sexual immorality can be practiced. Remember also that the king of Assyria is a servant (angel) of God. 

The next link provided is very interesting too.
http://www.jstor.org/pss/602234
What this text suggests is that due to the uniform way it is used throughout the bible ("dash the childrens heads against rocks and ripped open the pregnant mothers" that it might actually be a literary device used to suggest nameless atrocities.  It goes on discuss that the assyrians who were quite proud of the various terrors that they afflicted on their victims and would describe them in details never actually mentioned cutting open pregnant women.  The talk about many other equally ghastly deeds but not that. 

And then there was the Jewish King Menahem who also attacked his own israelite subjects and ripped open their wombs.(2 Kings 15:16 )  However NOWHERE is it written that the ripping open of wombs was done as a sacrifice to gods to empower them to commit sexual immorality.  Where in heaven's name did you pull that one out from?  The only time a non jew is said to rip out a womb is when they are executing God's judgement on Jews. 

I'll ignore the rest of your attempts to sound condescending, and holier-than-thou as it is clear where's it's source is.

Pastor AIO:
I didn't ask explanation of gymnastics. I asked for references. Could you please supply us some references for what you said above. Where were babies been ripped out in order to allow sexual immorality?

Pastor, It is not my fault that you do not know what the Bible says and that you cannot carry out further research based on facts avilable from the Bible. Why should I throw what I found out into your laps when you are too lazy to do the research and have already made up your mind what you want to believe?

How difficult is it to type 'ripped pregnant women open' on google, press the search button; search the Bible (online, its free these days) to find out what gods those who were (you are angry at their being) destroyed served, and then do an historical search (outside the Bible) on the origins of those gods and the rituals related to their worship.

It is solely your fault that you choose to be solely tuned to the temporal realm (which do not even fully explore). GO GET A GODLY SPIRITUAL LIFE, PASITOR OLODO RABATA ! GO BACK TO GENESIS!

vedaxcool:
"When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye anything?" And they said, "Nothing" Then said he unto them, "But now, he that hath no purse, let him take it, and likewise his bag; and he that hath no SWORD, let him sell his garment and buy one!"
(HOLY BIBLE) Luke 22:35-36
38 They [the disciples] said, "See, Lord, here are two swords."
"It is enough," he replied.

I wonder what  Jesus want use a sword for if not, spoiling for war.

Yeah, right! And all the raids that Mohammed carried out were carried out with TWO SWORDS! The violence unleashed by Northern Nigerian muslims were carried out with just TWO SWORDS!  YOU AND I KNOW THAT TWO SWORDS WILL NEVER EQUATE TO A JIHAD!

Anyway, this is about a HONEST DEBATE on the scripture that uplawal threw open to the house. We are still waiting for her to address post # 30 and # 32 so we can carry out the debate. I am not sure why she has been unable to give her summary yet but I guess UPLAWAL HAS A CONSCIENCE, FEARS THE ALMIGHTY GOD, AND WILL NOT CALL HIM TO BEAR WITNESS TO A LIE! Take a leaf from her, vexdacool!

Pastor AIO:
more old covenant/new covenant gymnastics.

Please do you have any references for what you've said here about people that were murdered in the bible. Where did they rip out unborn babies so they could commit sexual immorality? Any references whether historical, legendary, mythological . . . etc, any references at all will do.

belloti:
When Mu'min will enter into Jannah, it will be announced:-

(1) You will remain healthy forever, disease will never come.

(2) You will remain alive for ever, death will never come.

(3) You will remain in bounties which will never be finished.

Jannat is made with bricks of gold and silver, Its scent is of perfumed musk. Its chips are pearls and Yaqoot. Its sand is Zafraan.

There are eight doors ofJannah. these are eight grades of Jannat:-

i) Jannatul Mava
ii) Darul Maqaam
iii) Darul Salaam
iv) Darul Khuld
v) Jannat-ul-Adan
vi) Jannat-ul-Naeem
vii) Jannat-ul-Kasif
viii) Jannat-ul-Firdous

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Food of Jannah

They will eat foods and fruits continuously up to 40 years. Every bowl will have a new taste. They will take eructation which will digest the food and there will be perfumed sweating for the digestion of water.There will be no urine and stool.

There will be gardens inJannah. Every garden will have the length of about 100 years journey. The shadow of these gardens will be very dense. Their plants will be free of thorns. The size of their leaves will be equal to ears of elephants. Their fruits will be hanging in rows.

Jannatul Mava is in the lowest, Jannat-ul-Adan is the middle and Jannat-ul - Firdous is on the highest. Those who love each other for the sake of Allah, will get a pillar of Yaqoot, on which there will be seventy thousand (70,000) rooms. These will shine for the residents of Jannah as the sun shines for the residents of Duniya.

There will be rooms in Jannah in such a way that every room will have seventy thousand (70,000) dinning sheets. On every dinning sheet 70,000 types of foods will be served.

For their service 80,000 young boys will be moving around looking like beautiful scattered pearls.

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One bunch of dates will be equal to the length of 12 arms. The size of a date will be equal to the big pitcher. These will be whiter than milk, sweeter than honey and softer than butter and free of seeds. The stem of these plants will be made up of gold and silver.

There will also be gardens of grapes. The bunches of grapes will be very big. The size of a single grape will be equal to a big pitcher (pot). Someone asked, Ya Rasulullah (Sallalahu alaihi wasallam): will it be sufficient for me and my family. It was answered, it will be sufficient for you and your whole tribe.

The Dresses of Jannat

The dress of Jannah will be very beautiful. One will wear 70 dresses at a time. These will be very fine, delicate, weightless, having different colors. These dresses will be so fine that the body even the heart will be visible. And the waves of love in the hearts will also be visible. These dresses will never become old, never be dirty and will never tear. There will be four canals in every Jannah. They are of water, milk, honey and Sharabun Tahoora. There will also be three fountains in Jannah. (i) Kafoor. (ii) Zanjabeel. (iii) Tasneem


Qualities of People of Jannah

* In Jannah, height of every Mo 'min, will be equal to the height of Hazrat Adam (Alaihissalaam) 60 arms (90 feet).

* Beauty will be like that of Hazrat Yousuf (Alaihissalaam)

* Age of youth will be like that of Hazrat Esa (Alaihissalaam) (30-33 years).

* Sweetness of voice will be like that of Hazrat Dawud (Alaihissalaam).

* Tolerance will be like that of Hazrat Yaqoob (Alaihissalaam)

* Patience will be like that of Hazrat Ayyub (Alaihissalaam.)

* Habits will be like that of Sayyaduna Muhammad (Sallalahu alaihi wasallam.)

If a person makes Du 'a for Jannah three times, Jannah requests Allah that O, Allah; make his entry into Jannah. And if a person makes Du'a for safety from Jahannum three times, the Jahannnum requests Allah that, O, Allah; save him from Jahannum.

May Allah grant the entire Ummah of Nabi sallalahu alayhi wasallam Jannat ul Firdous, Ameen!

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uplawal:
what if King james have removed the slain path

Sweetnecta:
@Seyibrown: « #32 on: Today at 01:33:41 PM »If the slaying was done, then, are they not slain, already? Its over 2000 years already. I'm comfortably sure somebody willl say the parable was not about Jesus.