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Sorry, Mate! There ain't no biblical basis for 'match-making (most likely unavailable )women without their consent to available men'! I will not invest epinni in any such 'business venture'. Go and find partners who share the 'vision' in 'Ikeja of NL'! ROTFL! 'Court' ko, Tribunal ni!

Sweetnecta:
@Seyibrown; if it is proven from the Bible that it is corrupt, that Jesus is not God and that Holy Spirit is not God, that Comforter is not Holy Ghost but man, like Prophet is a man, what will you do?

will you and your husband, your children and parents of both of you [husband and wife] renounce christianity and accept Islam?


if you can do that, i will present evidences for my position.

1. nothing was done to her.

2. jesus

3. as a child they said he pushed his playmate off the roof to his death. that was mean 'spirit'ed.
he blinded a man who came to carpentry workshop of joseph.

jesus called God Allah, so do Muslims.

Jesus used to greet others by saying Peace be upon you, so do Muslims.

Jesus used to fall on his face while praying, so do Muslims.

Jesus used to fast, so do Muslims.

If both Jesus and Mary (peace be upon them both) were on this earth today, they would be more like muslims than any other people on earth.

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'Peace'  , seriously, 'Peace' be unto you; not the kind of 'Peace' the world gives ('peace through political correctness' that allows suicide bombs to become the fad)!  but the kind of 'Peace' that makes you LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR that is found in the
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1. Do you agree that with the responses given,that  the Qur'an not only asserts that the bible is corrupted but also a contains the conjecture of men?

2. With the responses given can we say confidently that you agree with the Qur'an that the bible is corrupt? a forgery and at best the displaced words of God by the hand of men.

3. We read strange comments in the bible such as the geneeaology of Jesus whom you contradictinly claim is the son of God? I dey Laugh, but at the same time give him human fathers? how is that to be? why the Somersaulting.
? this is verse gives us the a strange situation by making it possible that the whole of Humanity is nbot more than 6000 years old? what a grave faslehood? pls we need answer not Gynastics.

Jesus was reported to have said in the bible emphatically, I do not know the day of judgment, the question is was he lying or telling the truth? since you claim that he is lord and all powers are given unto him, then can we conclude that such claims are either Lies or just smear campaign against his person? Remember you claim he could give life to the dead and died to save the world, but yet we find him admitting to Ignorance, now that is ungodly?

That information was not available to 'God the Son'(Jesus) in the temporal realm, It was with 'God the Father' in the spiritual realm. There was no point giving that information to the temporal realm as it would mean that most men would live as they wanted and come to God only as the day approached. The greatest commandments are to LOVE GOD and LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR; not START LOVING GOD AND THY NEIGHBOUR A FEW DAYS BEFORE THE JUDGEMENT DAY. As Jesus said, the coming of the lord will be as a thief in the night, when you least expect. As it is, 'the mice are only playing 'cos the cat's away' . Jesus left all his glory(knowledge of the 'judgement day' included) in the spiritual realm and came down to lowly men but he did give us the signs that would be near the end of time, and judging by what's happening around us, the time is near.

5. Can you point were exactly Jesus said worship and I am God?

6. If Jesus is Lord auzobillah, then why should he refer to himself as being a servant of God? Aren't you lying on his head because he is not here to defend his name?

say one day one day, you go show am who be the Landlord! I agree with you that 'auzo's bin l(y)ahing

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'Peace'  , seriously, 'Peace' be unto you; not the kind of 'Peace' the world gives ('peace through political correctness' that allows suicide bombs to become the fad)! but the kind of 'Peace' that makes you LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR that is found in the
ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD!
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Sweetnecta:
^^^^^^ I dont think Seyibrown read my first post on the subject. I said then and even now that my position is that of the Prophet (AS). He never cause any harm on the person that insulted him. Ever. I used the case of the Jewish woman who gave him and the companions (RA) in Khaibar poison meat.

I also used the case of the muslim (RA) who released the secret[s] of the muslims in Madina to the disbelievers in Makka. In either case, the intention was well within the action of the people. The messenger (AS) through to form of the quality of his being the one with the most mercy among mankind did not react to them.

That is very clear. This is my position. I am sure if the Messenger were here now, he would have not even paid any attention to her personal attach, unlike the one who said "bring him here and slay him before me".

Word of a leader is his action. It moves followers to do what they do. You can claim that I turn the other cheek. People know that is unreal especially when the same person said "bring him here and slay him in front of me".

The mercy you are showing is unreal. Your leader never forgave anyone when he had the upper hand. Muhammad (AS) forgave many; Makkans, People of Taif, and even the Jewish woman who decided to poison him.

Can Jesus of the bible handle that since every time he is in control, he was not merciful. The case of the adulteress cant count; Jesus was not in control in the sense that the woman didnt offend him. The woman who poisoned the meat she offered Muhammad (AS) clearly offended him. Yet he forgave her.

Glory be to God Almighty who preserved your life and that of the 'precious woman' (wife or daughter-in-law) in your life! I rejoice with you that God has saved your 'wife'.

Now, remember that 'man' in pakistan whose 'christian wife' you think should be killed for 'insulting' Islam! Will you pray to God to save her life like you prayed to God to save the life of your 'wife' so that she can go home safely to him from prison? God does not strike us with lightning everytime we sin, He lets us live peradventure we will turn from our sinful ways!

Please let me know whether despite the fact that God preserved your 'wife' who has sinned some point in her life, it is still your opinion that the Christian Pakistani woman does not deserve to keep her life because she 'sinned' against Islam.

Think about it DEEPLY because the measure with which we measure for others will be used for us too! Does God 'kill' you every time you commit a sin, and even when you do it again? Do you get the chance to go and say your prayers? Measure for this woman and every other person whose life is about to be taken at any point in time by Islam, with the same measure that you want God to use for you when you commit your NEXT SIN! MERCY or DEATH? SWEETNECTA, BE YOUR OWN JUDGE!

Sweetnecta:
^^^^^ this was some 610 + years of Jesus' who ever didnt sin to cast the first stone.


I wonder why they came to Muhammad (AS) if the ruling of Jesus as above stand?

But then we have punishment of illegal sexual acts in the Quran and in the Hadith.

I am a muslim male. You are a christian male. There are jewish males. We are all males. the truth is that we have common gender, similar to common punishment for common offense. Illegal sexual act is an offense without any doubt. Somebody is offended.

At least the father of the woman who gave freely to the neighbors. If she is married the husband is also offended.

If its a man, his wife is angry and wants his head off his neck.

However you sliced it, in this case the bold has its ruling already. A bachelor caught in the act is to be whipped 100 lashes after judgment. A married man should be stoned to death after judgment. I'm sure that your tune will be different if you find "hubby" doing the do. Women will ask for his head on a platter with batting an eye. When you say that you will not follow God's Order because you are more moral, that itself is pride, sinful and deserves punishment. I personally will ignore a person in that I find doing the do. I know the consequence of announcing it. If my spouse were to be found in that condition, unlike Toba who will forgive and make up, the relationship end right on the spot.

babygat:
When Jesus appeared b4 his disciples, he greeted them like a Muslim, by saying: “Peace be unto you"
Muslims use the same words to greet Assalaamu Alaikum.

babygat, peace be unto you! Am I a Muslim now?

Onaolamipo:
Islam is an arabic word which means submission to the creator i.e Allah. And the word muslim is also an arabic word that means anybody who submites himself 2 God. Therefore, islam is the only way 2 paradise

. . . and the above makes Jesus a Muslim? That'll make me a Muslim, too!

First name is not always a good or specific way to identify an individual. If we wrote just Seyi on the board, some other person may think it was his/her own seyi, hence we write brown after to specify Seyibrown. Do we have this in the Bible writers? John; what John or John what?

Lovely question  . I promise to answer but please give me the surname of the Jesus mentioned in the Quran (only asking since he is mentioned and glorified in the Quran) or from anywhere else!

Was he given any by his SENDER to preach or he just made up his own, without any "Authority" over him, even though we read verses where he said he was sent? Sending cant be without any instruction. Can we say the Instruction[s] were revelations? Please point out such a possible "revelation" to us. I do hope that one of these two is; 1. Your servant Jesus, who You sent. 2. My father and I are 1.

Did he preach make up from his own mind, or was it revelation from his Sender? I am asking this question because I need to know how the Bible writers were able to describe the events of Mary's pregnancy, the birth of Jesus, and other matters, which Jesus was too young to know and the writers were not present when they happened.

The teaching[s] of Jesus included the ghost coming upon and powerfully overshadowing Mary, delivering baby in a mearnger. Do you live your lives like that?

The words of Jesus' did not include the above but the account of those around say that and the event of a 'virgin being with child' had already been prophesied in the Old Testament and the people were expecting it to happen; Jesus conception was the fulfilment of that prophecy! The Holy Spirit 'came upon' people in the OT, in the NT and still comes upon people today. It is not SE-XU- AL IN-TER-COU-RSE, it is 'FEELING THE PRESENCE OF GOD'S SPIRIT! Yes, we still 'live our lives like that': THE HOLY SPIRIT LIVES IN US AND WE 'FEEL HIS PRESENCE' WHEN HE WANTS US TO!

So his lifestyle itself shouldnt count, though you are trying to imitate this lifestyle. It is the imitation that counts, not the original? Is that not possible therefore that if he said something, someone might have heard something else, entirely different and ran with it? A servant cant be the sired don of the same exact entity. Or is that possible?

You will always read hadith saying, from the authority of such and such, to such and such, to such and such, until the such and such person is the companion (RA) of the Messenger (AS). Such companion will say; I heard the messenger of Allah say Such and such on the occasion of such and such. That begins to give a reason for somebody to even look at it as a possible hadith. Then you will look at the chain of narration, examining the narrators and also applying the hadith to Quranic verse or verses, the possible and already known quality of the messenger (AS), and other factors of how many chain of narrations. Hadith is a discipline all by itself.

Hadith since we have from fake to weak all the way to strong, its more like your Bible its fake to weak all the way to strong verses.If you remember that i argued that the "hadith" of Aisha saying that she was 6 or 9 was not sound and hence not a hadith because it didnt say I heard the Messenger say such and such, . . . .

1. Do you agree that with the responses given,that the Qur'an not only asserts that the bible is corrupted but also a contains the conjecture of men?

2. With the responses given can we say confidently that you agree with the Qur'an that the bible is corrupt? a forgery and at best the displaced words of God by the hand of men.

3. We read strange comments in the bible such as the geneeaology of Jesus whom you contradictinly claim is the son of God? I dey Laugh, but at the same time give him human fathers? how is that to be? why the Somersaulting.
? this is verse gives us the a strange situation by making it possible that the whole of Humanity is nbot more than 6000 years old? what a grave faslehood? pls we need answer not Gynastics.

4. Jesus was reported to have said in the bible emphatically, I do not know the day of judgment, the question is was he lying or telling the truth? since you claim that he is lord and all powers are given unto him, then can we conclude that such claims are either Lies or just smear campaign against his person? Remember you claim he could give life to the dead and died to save the world, but yet we find him admitting to Ignorance, now that is ungodly?

5. Can you point were exactly Jesus said worship and I am God?

6. If Jesus is Lord auzobillah, then why should he refer to himself as being a servant of God? Aren't you lying on his head because he is not here to defend his name?

this are just a tip of the ice burg.

The following Question arises:

1. Do you agree that with the responses given,that the Qur'an not only asserts that the bible is corrupted but also a contains the conjecture of men?

2. With the responses given can we say confidently that you agree with the Qur'an that the bible is corrupt? a forgery and at best the displaced words of God by the hand of men.

3. We read strange comments in the bible such as the geneeaology of Jesus whom you contradictinly claim is the son of God? I dey Laugh, but at the same time give him human fathers? how is that to be? why the Somersaulting.
? this is verse gives us the a strange situation by making it possible that the whole of Humanity is nbot more than 6000 years old? what a grave faslehood? pls we need answer not Gynastics.

4. Jesus was reported to have said in the bible emphatically, I do not know the day of judgment, the question is was he lying or telling the truth? since you claim that he is lord and all powers are given unto him, then can we conclude that such claims are either Lies or just smear campaign against his person? Remember you claim he could give life to the dead and died to save the world, but yet we find him admitting to Ignorance, now that is ungodly?

5. Can you point were exactly Jesus said worship and I am God?

6. If Jesus is Lord auzobillah, then why should he refer to himself as being a servant of God? Aren't you lying on his head because he is not here to defend his name?

this are just a tip of the ice burg.

vedaxcool:
I found the below in the Quran, and it ONLY tells me that the TORAH and GOSPEL are valid as God will judge the Jews and the Christians respectively by them.
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QURAN 5: 46 -48 ( Version: Sahih International)
46 And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous.

Pls Point to the Gospel, which of them is according to Jesus, as the Qur'an says we gave Jesus son of Mary the gospel, all I read in the Gospel according to mathew accd to luke, I have no business with this anonymous authors, Only with Jesus whom ALLAH dealt with. As for the torah When You and the Jews made it possible for a prophet to sleep with his own daughter and faced no consequence, any with common sense will reject such a bull for a book of ALLAH, and again we read in the Torah, Moses died in the land of Moab, he WAS SO and so years old, the question is can a dead man write his own obituary? absolutely no, then common sense dictate that some one wrote part of those books. when we say he did not approve of those spurious books,we mean the ones in circulation during his time.
Can you point where the Qur'an spoke about Paul? So we do need to swindle by unsuspecting people who accept just about anything that falls from the mouth of a liar.






47 And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.

So which laws where reveal in the Gospel?


48 And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.



This simply assert what we Muslims have been saying that is there are some truths to be found in this books, but frudulent individual have placed their words in them, and more so there was a time when Christians read from gospels such gospel of thomas, gospel of Nazarenes, etc but what happened? the church authorities simply decided this and that are the aord of God and hence we shall follow them. The Qur'an again wwas asserting that injuction such as common social ethos found in the Gospel/torah are to be followed since there are consistent in some way to the Qur'an injuctions

. . . . and that the 'Books' were already with the Jews and the Christians (as at the time of Mohammed and the writing of the Quran)

Just answered above

QURAN 4: 47 (Version: Muhsin Khan)
O you who have been given the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Believe in what We have revealed (to Muhammad SAW) confirming what is (already) with you , before We efface faces (by making them like the back of necks; without nose, mouth, eyes, etc.) and turn them hindwards, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers. And the Commandment of Allah is always executed.



I did not find anything in the Quran that says that that the 'Torah and Gospel' that the Quran refers to as what 'God will judge the people of the Book by' and that which 'was already with them' have been corrupted.

Because certain rules and injuction are consistent with the Qur'an, like we read about the ten commandments in the torah hence this are what are consistent with Qur'an, as always asserted by Muslims devine reelation follow a similar stream of do's and don'ts. but the koko is that you guys have been slash them because they do not follow your preconceived blasphemy such as Jesus is Lord notions. and didn't the Qur;an say:
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Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.

1. Have you got any scriptural proof that the 'Torah and Gospel' as referred to above as being valid before God WERE DISAPPROVED BY MOHAMMED? Please provide them. I will prefer proof from the Quran over proof from an Hadith given the number of times Muslims have told us of the unreliabilty of certain Hadiths on NL!

Your preference of one evidence over another is as meaningless as a goat's bleating,as the Qur'an has authorized the hadiths Hadith scolars took time to to authenticate true hadiths,it is Just like saying do not quote any of the Gospel unless the one Jesus authored shekena. and Like the Qur'an says
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And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.[/b]

2. Please provide Quranic proof that the Torah and Gospel (that God will judge Jews and Christians by) as referred to in the scripture above was the 'corrupted' ones, or provide Quranic proof to show that the scripture refers to the 'uncorrupted' ones.

When you show me proof of the gospel Jesus authored then I will answer you but as long as you quote some anonylous authors Ba ruwana!


3. Please provide proof, Quranic (and Historical outside the Quran, if available) that the contents of the 'corrupted' books SIGNIFICANTLY distort the message of the original books, and cite instances from the ORIGINALS in comparison with the CORRUPTED.

You will have to delete ridiculous passages from the bible for us to take it serious, really like the verse that makes a son older than his father and other contradictory verses like the genealogy of Jesus where Joseph is Given two fathers, an biblical impossibility.

4. Please, also provide Quranic (and Historical outside the Quran, if available) that the 'corruption of the originals' ONLY as you have found and provided in answer to Q3 above are to the extent that adherents of the books abide by rules that cause them to live contrary God's commandments, and cite instances from the ORIGINALS in comparison with the CORRUPTED.


You like repeating yourself in the hope that falsehood becomes truth.


5. Please provide proof (Quranic) as to whether the 'Books' had been corrupted AS AT THE TIME the 'revelation of the Quran' was given to Mohammed or the 'writing of the Quran' OR that they were corrupted AFTER the 'revelation' and 'writing' of the Quran.

I have shown you how certain books where thrown away by the church in a bid to streamline their views with the Bible. I donot really have time now but know that I will be back with answers and questions, Know that if you start your mouth Gymnastics in this thread then I will follow suit.

Now, seyi, this verses clearly indiate that you and your Christian and Jewish Cohorts have forgoten good parts of what was revealed and the jews were involved in the dislocation of the Bible "  made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message"
Hence this is an indication of the corruption we are talking about. And like I said the Qur'an Obviously was reffering to legal injuctions found in the bible and hence this does not in any way refer to the Bull Crap we find in the Bible. On Tuersday on a trip, I had the pleasure of discussing with a Christian Elder, we chatted from one topic to another till we got to the issue of the religion, He Categorically told me that God did not fathered Jesus and instead he understood the word Begotten, as meaning Being the primary Cause of the existence of Jesus, in any case he said I should tell people like you that you are misconcieving the real Jesus. But like I have taken answered you question, let me see the Gynastics you would trow.

Seyi as for your Summary, you did not realy surprise me in any of the falshood you ranted, A chief reason I gave was simple, i ask where did the Qur'an talks of Paul? I ask where did the Qur'an talks of Mathew, Mark or Luke? The Qur'an speaks of giving the gospels to Jesus, but what like I said you did not suprise me as I have long before now detected significant levels of dishonesty in dealing with you. Your summary is not only self serving but an indication of your dishonesty, who are you to leave out what people say? Is this the Purpose of this thread? to show us how you can win an arguement/discusion by overlooking daming evidence? Just keep it Up. As I find it a strong evidence of the falsness of the path you follow.

vedaxcool:
I still Dey Laugh!