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vedaxcool:
Muhammad Dictated the Qur'an to the scribe, whom after wrting any verse read it for the Holy Prophet Muhamad PBUH, the greatest emanicipator of Mankind and most successful religious personality that ever lived, for him to hear what was written. The Propehty also commited the Qur'an to memory and ever since then the qur'an has remianed the most memorized book in the world. ALLAHU Akbar, the unbelievers detest the light, Yet ALLAh continues to perfect it.

From both your answers: ALLAH 'REVEALED' EVERY word of the Quran to Mohammed; MOHAMMED DICTATED the words to a scribe; and THE SCRIBE 'WROTE' those words down. SCHOLARS who knew the story(life) of Mohammed wrote the Hadiths.


Questions: Did any of these scholars receive any 'revelations' directly from Allah? Where did they get the 'combinations' from which they formed the Hadiths from?

Thanks.

vedaxcool:
Was Mohammed literate?
he was not literate.

Did he read the Torah, Psalms and Injil?

No he did not read any of the above books.

Did he approve of them during his life-time?
No, he did not approve of the copies that were in circulation during his life time.

Did he command/encourage Muslims to consult these books?

He commanded Muslim to seek knowledge, but did not did not make a duty to read the bible or any of the books you mentioned.

Did he command/encourage Muslims to abide by these books?

No.

I found the below in the Quran, and it ONLY tells me that the TORAH and GOSPEL are valid as God will judge the Jews and the Christians respectively by them.

QURAN 5: 46 -48 ( Version: Sahih International)
46 And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous.

47 And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.

48 And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.


. . . . and that the 'Books' were already with the Jews and the Christians (as at the time of Mohammed and the writing of the Quran)

QURAN 4: 47 (Version: Muhsin Khan)
O you who have been given the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Believe in what We have revealed (to Muhammad SAW) confirming what is (already) with you , before We efface faces (by making them like the back of necks; without nose, mouth, eyes, etc.) and turn them hindwards, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers. And the Commandment of Allah is always executed.



I did not find anything in the Quran that says that that the 'Torah and Gospel' that the Quran refers to as what 'God will judge the people of the Book by' and that which 'was already with them' have been corrupted.

1. Have you got any scriptural proof that the 'Torah and Gospel' as referred to above as being valid before God WERE DISAPPROVED BY MOHAMMED? Please provide them. I will prefer proof from the Quran over proof from an Hadith given the number of times Muslims have told us of the unreliabilty of certain Hadiths on NL!

2. Please provide Quranic proof that the Torah and Gospel (that God will judge Jews and Christians by) as referred to in the scripture above was the 'corrupted' ones, or provide Quranic proof to show that the scripture refers to the 'uncorrupted' ones.

3. Please provide proof, Quranic (and Historical outside the Quran, if available) that the contents of the 'corrupted' books SIGNIFICANTLY distort the message of the original books, and cite instances from the ORIGINALS in comparison with the CORRUPTED.

In answer, he requests that certain 'ridiculous' passages (of "biblical impossibilty" be deleted from the Bible before 'they' can 'take it serious'.

4.  Please, also provide Quranic (and Historical outside the Quran, if available) that the 'corruption of the originals' ONLY as you have found and provided in answer to Q3 above are to the extent that adherents of the books abide by rules that cause them to live contrary God's commandments, and cite instances from the ORIGINALS in comparison with the CORRUPTED.

5. Please provide proof (Quranic) as to whether the 'Books' had been corrupted AS AT THE TIME the 'revelation of the Quran' was given to Mohammed or the 'writing of the Quran' OR that they were corrupted AFTER the 'revelation' and 'writing' of the Quran.

tbaba1234:
What i mean in this context is simple really, I hope this helps

Dexmond has quoted from very weak narratives of the hadith but he doesn't know they are weak because he hasn't sought a muslim opinion, He has also misinterpreted verses of the Quran without understanding basic muslim principles,

That is what i mean,

Peace

tbaba1234:
seyi brown,

There is a difference between muslim sources and islamic sources, Apparently he has come up with frivolous accusations without even understanding the muslim point of view,


Please stop clutching at straws,

However, if you want to find true islam, you must be willing to search from muslim sources. Because most of your assertions do not have a historical basis, They are infact flawed.

Koikoi:
honestly, am at a loss. the yorubas are known to show high respect to elders!!!

bababuff:
Fayose is a disgrace the the Yoruba people and culture.

Fayose, "omo a se iru fun e"

You miss the point! All that the TRUE PROPHETS had were 'ordinary passports', hence their inability to claim to be 'physical representations of God', and they did not claim so! Jesus ALONE held a 'diplomatic passport' that allowed him to present himself as and be recognized as 'the physical representation of God'. He carried out the 'assignments' of God because the 'authority and power' of God was vested in him! God confirmed that ministry with evidence (The Holy Spirit) that continues to live in heart of those who believe today! Grin Allel[/b]uia!

[b]look at the second bold and peel out Yahweh, or Jehovah, or Adonia, or, or, or for me.   Its not there. Yes?
I bet I can show you Allah, easily from it. I can also show you Eloi, if I make A be E, and remove a L, and the other A for O and the H for I. You see A and E, and I and H between are interchangeable in many cultures of the world. I have seem Al Karim, written as El Kareem. So ELoi that Jesus said is actually Allah in his syriac semitic language of Arabic semitic Language.

Now tell me about Jesus being recognized. I want it from Jesus. Not what others after his ordeal and his being lifted up to heaven claimed for him. Let Jesus defend his own position, otherwise I am the king of Cricket game; yet i dont know anything about this game.

I quoted Quran you complained that am making Judgments. Allah is the Speaker. And He speaks the Truth; He creates and He Knows who is naughty or nice.

Surah Maidah; Verses 12 to 15 are exactly what i need to give you

Jesus in the Bible, I will not quote unless I am  pointing out something to a christian. My Quran is enough in all other situations. If I were dealing with a Jew i will go to Moses. Otherwise my Quran is enough in all other situations. The same way with others people who are not Muslims, except the full blown idolaters and denials; Hindu, atheists, etc.

Since the Bible is not my criterion, but for you and jesus. I have the following observations; For Jesus when he called people fools, vipers, adulterous, even dogs, what is the consequence of each of them, based on your statement? When you christians, with leadership of Paul say off the cuff, or off the wall things like all knees shall bow, or calling us Infidels in Titus, and saying that our refusal to accept Trinity or be bath in 2000 plus old blood, while we are not idolaters, and even saying that our not accepting human as God are misguidance, what do you think God Almighty will do to you?

Seyi;   the blood that couldnt even take away Jesus from the hands of Jews? What you have said is a big sin. Stop saying it and come to Islam of Adam, of Enouch, of Noah, Of Abraham, of Lot, of Ishmael, of Isaac, etc, finally of Jesus son of Mary and of Muhammad son of Abdullah (AS to each of the noble men).

The blood wasn't shed BEFORE he was in 'the hands of the Jews'; it was shed when he was in 'the hands of the Jews'. Saying that Adam and Abraham etc were Muslims or Christians IS A LIE FROM THE DEVIL and YOU KNOW IT!  Was it you or one of your brethren that was saying somewhere that Ishmael the father of the Arabs was taught Arabic by Arabs!  Ojigbi jigbi jigbi jigbi!  ROTFL - Una no go kill person with all these 'out of this world' 'truth-nots'!  Olorun mo numba ule kete rin o! 

It is the jews, indeedthe larger Children of Israel and their cohorts who belittle the son of Abraham; Ismail (AS). They deceitfully snatched off his place by writing, while Allah Who created him maintains it. Ismail was the son who was circumcised along with his father. You accused his father of illegal sexual act which is a sinful thing for you and yours to say against a friend of God, while Joseph his great grandson knew that it is a sin, while you can not tell us when it became a law for Joseph while it was a thing to relish in for Ibrahim, though we know that no one practiced such a horror and was not sinful before or during his time. Lot was his contemporary who didnt favor any sexual deviance.
Jews, indeed the larger Children of Israel said Ismail would be a wildass; the Jewish God missed the mark because this son of Ibrahim (AS) did not hurt a fly. Who is the prodigal son here, if you ask me; Arabs who in long run through the Messengership of Muhammad (AS) received guidance away from 360 idols and trust in the Unseen Creator. I am from this group as a Muslim, forget my yoruba origin.

exposes the falsehood (satanic and fleshly scriptures) to the children of God. We can clearly see it! What is false is whatever 'the word of God' and the 'Spirit of God' does not confirm!

Since each is a fully function God, you have at least 2 Gods here which makes you a multiple Gods worshiper. You are not different from the hindus in Britain by the way of India.

I am glad that you DO know why I CHOSE 'DOES' over 'DO'! You say your God is 'ONE'; I say my God is 'ONE' that manifests himself in 'THREE'! I don't argue that Allah is not one; Why are you fighting me over MY 'HEAVENLY FATHER' THAT MANIFESTS HIMSELF IN THE FORM OF MY 'SAVIOUR' AND MY 'COUNSELLOR'? 

Read clearly; Before Jesus, God revealed Torah to Musa (AS). That was a Revelation. Before Jesus, God revealed Sabur to David. That was a Revelation. The to Jesus God gave Injil. That was a Revelation. Which Prophet did God reveal the Bible to? Then finally God revealed Quran to Muhammad to end all Revelation.

Sorry, sweetnecta. Most times you usually 'confirm and make things clear' to me in the same manner that the Quran 'confirms and clarifies' the Bible! I usually end up completely befuzzled ! (substitute befuddled, bewildered, muddleheaded, addled, dazed, at sea, perplexed, wooly-headed and konfushed)! Ope l'ope Jesu a.k.a 'THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE! !

While the bold is true, disbelieving it is without foundation. Allah says the path laid out for man is a straight way. He also said you will not see a change in the way of God. It is ignorance to assume that God will send Adam (AS) and his wife out of the garden to the world without any guidance to constantly receive

You could easily show me that ADAM WAS MUSLIM by simply proving that ADAM SPOKE ARABIC (Don't forget that you or one of your brothers have taught me that Ishmael the father of Arabs was taught Arabic by the Arabs  )!

Jesus was not a christian and only an ethnic Jew; children of Israel as they began to be called, and never practiced judaism as the Jews practice it now, but practiced Islam as it was given to him; having a singular core message from Adam to now; Laa ilaha ilaAllah (and each prophet of his time is the prophet of Allah; the reason Jesus bowed to the Will of his God).

I know what the Understanding of the Word of God is; Command as in Be. So it Be (Kun. Fa ye Kun). Look a son cant be a servant to the world. When you accuse God of siring a son, you made him like your husband, and you make Mary mother of Jesus to God like you to your husband, since there was the overshadowing and coming upon. Yet, the catholic priests at least on paper refused to marry so that they can work for God 100%. Are they morally better than the God of the Jews Who is their specific tribal father, and or the God of the christians who is the father of jesus the begotten, and who by this strange belief the father of all christians? They must be, at least those who protect their private part among them. Not the like of the one having sex with the wife of the husband who video taped them in some spanish country. Go see it in one of the threads of Rhino. 4dm (sorry if I am wrong on the id).

Miracles happen in my life frequently, including last month; a person was declared dead in Nigeria, from a first class Medical center, with a frantic phone call from the staff because they needed her husband to know. By Allah she is alive now, returning to me InshaAllah on the January 2, 2011. The friday before it, I fell and the only place that didnt smack the hard surface is my head, with the eye that has just been restored?

Sweetnecta:
@SEyibrown; I take the same position as the Messenger (AS) took about people who insulted his person. No one was hurt for this. However when a person undermined Islam, working hard to hurt the system, then let him receive what he receives.

Now about let the person fights for himself; it is a noble statement, if you can apply it across the board. While Muhammad (AS) was a human being, your god Jesus was all the rage for you christians.

You cant live his defense down; from organized military to loose canon militia. we see the work of lies and liars.

Oppression is worse than killing. Always remember that, seyi. You have a god that can not defend himself even from the hands of jews. what you people resorted to was wage wars while allowing jews to oppress the innocents, too.

vedaxcool:
Since they claim they are Ignorant:

A devout Christian who killed a man and injured his wife in a frenzied axe attack after they told him they were atheists was jailed for 18 years in Australia yesterday.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2004/12/24/2003216502