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 Christianity Etc › Re: "i Am Coming!" Part Xvii (sabrina Of Belgium And Susan Of The U.s.) by seyibrown(f): 10:19pm On Nov 20, 2010 |
Come, Lord! Amen! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Interview With Joagbaje - His Perspective On Christianity by seyibrown(f): 10:02pm On Nov 20, 2010 |
I know a Pastor who has his flock under spiritual bondage. I can count 10 people who went privately to point out errors to him and who ended up dying. What happens is when they talk to him privately and for one reason or the other stop attending church, he labels them 'faithless' and 'backsliders' starts prophesying death and bad things on these members. He warns other members not to associate with them. He curses those who do not have money for offerings and ridicules poorer members openly. My dad decided to withdraw from the church when he discovered he was teaching certain things that have no Bible basis and he would not listen whe he was approached privately. The Pastor simply employed the same tactics he uses on members who leave, prophesying death on my family (for quite a few years now)and telling other members not to associate with my dad. Most of the church members that still attend are in poverty but still have to give give give, they are all in spiritual poverty because the teachings they get does not encourage a personal relationship with God; they rely on him instead. Small headache sef na to run go meet this Pastor. There is segregation between the rich and the poor in the church and the last I heard, another 2 prominent elders of the church died last year for 'not listening to what teh Pastor was telling them'. The man is an acclaimed babalawo turned pastor but it turned out he was doing the things he said he had turned away from. This man somehow managed to hold a CAN position years ago. He used to appear on TV years ago(dunno if he still does). Is it right to warn other people about this pastor? Is he a true christian? Who is to help his flock? Is it a good idea to advise this pastor privately given the record of those who did? What do we do about wolves in our midst and their unfortunate flock? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Interview With Joagbaje - His Perspective On Christianity by seyibrown(f): 8:18pm On Nov 20, 2010 |
@ogoamaka99 addy is seyi at seyibrown dot com. It's under my username! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: False Prophecies Of The New Testament (bible) by seyibrown(f): 6:11pm On Nov 20, 2010 |
Thank you for your best effort at civility in post #35! [b]You did not explain how Allah would judge. My questions were clear! How is will the world come to an end? Will Allah come down to judge? Will everybody that is alive go up to meet Allah? Will he put an end to the life of everybody on earth so that everybody tastes death before the judgement? Please look at the relevant section again in post #29 and try to answer how it's going to happen. A question arising from the 'PLAN': I see Jesus is listed as coming back to rule with the Mahdi; Where is he coming from? Where has he been all this time? Why is Mohammed not coming back to rule? Or is Mohammed the Mahdi? In the original post, you assert that Jesus prophecies are lies; Why would Allah send a liar to come and rule the earth? According to the Quran, there is an antichrist (dajjal); could you explain more the role of this antichrist? What is he coming to do? Why is there not an 'anti-mohammed' coming? Feel free to make your answers straight and direct to the point. Arising from earlier discussions; Where will the 72 virgins for every man come from? Are they heavenly beings or human beings? Will the men who get these virgins be able to have kids with them in al-qiyamah? Will these men be able to father more kids with their original wives form earth? What will happen to bad muslims (those who do not qualify for the virgins) and all those who do not accept Allah or follow Mohammed? Will good xtian men qualify for 72 virgins too? Is there a seperate heaven for Xtians and Muslims in Alqiyamah? Thanking you again in advance of 'civil' responses.[/b] |
| Politics › Re: I Am A Victim Of June 12 -IBB Says In Exclusive Interview by seyibrown(f): 1:14pm On Nov 20, 2010 |
We have something in common, Sir! I am a victim of June 12 too, Sir!  . . . and I think we have another 100 Million or so people who are in the same  Think it's best we just all abandon ship now, Sir! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: False Prophecies Of The New Testament (bible) by seyibrown(f): 5:32am On Nov 20, 2010 |
LagosShia, I believe I have shed more light in post #29 on the 'dark' areas of the prophecies. Please remember to address my questions on Allah's judgement plans as set out in post # 29! Thanks in advance of a clear and civil response! |
| Politics › Re: Maryam Babangida's Mum Dies In Cairo by seyibrown(f): 1:15am On Nov 20, 2010 |
RIP! 88 years is not bad at all! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Muhammad In The Bible by seyibrown(f): 10:55pm On Nov 19, 2010 |
Thank God someone is seeing the sense in being able to provide 'answers' to 'questions' in a civil manner. so who do you think you are to declare those passing judgement on people that have break the law "sinners"?are you angel gabriel?[b]I have not 'passed judgement' on anyone. 'All men have sinned' means that we are all sinners before God, and only his mercies keep us. I refer to those who kill 'sinners' as 'murderers' because that is the right term to describe a human who kills another human. I use the word 'sinners' or 'muslim sinners' to refer to those that are killed in the name of Islam Kills because Islam regards them as 'sinners' for commtiing adultery or any other sin. My point was that it is for God to decide to take the life of any sinner in judgment of his sins, and not for man to decide to end another mans' life for any sin given that ALL MEN ARE SINNERS. If God struck people dead when they commit a sin, those who carry out the execution of others would be struck dead too because God commands that THOU SHALT NOT KILL! My reasoning thus is because we all know that God is merciful and will forgive anyone who repents and Jesus also said in the matter of the adulterous woman that 'HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN SHOULD CAST THE FIRST STONE. Why doesn't Islam just strip this 'sinners' of their religion or put them in prison(if state law applies to the offence) instead of ROBBING THEM OF THE OPPORTUNITY RECONCILE WITH GOD AND ENJOY GOD'S FORGIVENESS? Saying it more plainly, WHY DO SINNERS KILL OTHER SINNERS FOR COMMITING SIN? (Don't forget that I have already said that WE ARE ALL SINNERS BEFORE GOD AND WE ARE ONLY STILL ALIVE BECAUSE OF HIS MERCIES). Given that you answered in a clear and civil manner, I gather from your post that THE REASON SINNERS KILL SINNERS IS TO STOP THE WORLD FROM TURNING INTO A JUNGLE(I understand jungle in this context). God says he 'HAS NO PLEASURE IN THE DEATH OF A SINNER, HE WANTS REPENTANCE'.Will you not agree that getting 'sinners' to change their ways or imprisoning them is a more humane/Godly way to treat sinners than killing them and becoming a 'sinner' (murderer) in the process? We ask God to forgive us the same way we forgive our neighbours; IF WE KILL OUR NEIGHBOURS FOR COMMITTING SIN, ARE WE NOT THEN SAYING TO GOD THAT THE JUDGEMENT FIT FOR OUR OWN SIN IS DEATH? That is in line with Jesus teaching that we should not 'judge' others because we wiill be judged with the same kind of 'judgement' we PASS on others. (Please note that referring to someone who kills as a murderer is not 'judgement', Killing them or supporting that they be killed is the 'judgement' in the context of the scripture) This is one of the reasons why I am convinced that ISLAM is not the way. Can you see why I chose Jesus instead of Mohammed? I would appreciate any submissions in support of ISLAM on this matter of 'sinner killing sinner' to try and change my mind. Please note that I said 'submissions in support of Islam', not 'submissions against Christianity'! Thanking you in advance of another civil response. [/b] |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Muhammad In The Bible by seyibrown(f): 8:22pm On Nov 19, 2010 |
[b]Sorry, bashy and co! I do not see the 'truth' and 'lots of proofs and evidence' that you think your brothers have presented! They only divert the discussions from reason and logic; their responses to posts are full of 'attacks' instead of 'defence'. What they present is absolutely far from the 'truth' and contains hardly any proof/evidence, instead, it is usually more like the ravings of mad men. They cannot even present arguments in a 'civil' manner, but with threats and insults, and that does not endear anyone to you or Allah! What is the attraction of a religion that does not allow me to ask God for forgiveness for adultery but instead killls me? We have many questions for you but the ones asked you fail to provide answers and provide attacks instead! Why is it difficult for you to explain why people who are themselves sinners should execute a fellow sinner? Is it because Allah is able to forgive the executor(s) sins but Allah is not able forgive the sin of the one that was executed? Does the murderer have a better standing before Allah than the Adulterer? My Bible tells me the devil has come to steal to kill and destroy; If Allah is not the devil, why then is Allah destroying his own people by commanding muslims to kill 'sinner muslims' and 'infidels'? Is it so that the Killers of the 'sinners' and 'infidels' will be murderers before the true God, the 'sinner muslims' die in fear and not get the chance to reconcile with the true God, and that the dead 'infidels' will no longer be able to spread the true word of God? Try and answer questions directly and in a civil manner and without threats and maybe some people will start taking you seriously![/b] |
| Christianity Etc › Re: False Prophecies Of The New Testament (bible) by seyibrown(f): 5:19pm On Nov 19, 2010 |
Mark 16:16-20You admit that 3 of the above happen; I am certain that all 5 happen but let us for the sake of your unbelief agree that 3 out of 5 ain't bad. Paul was bitten by a snake but he was not harmed; I know of a friend who was poisoned but did not die. Can we make that 5 out of 5? Matthew 24:29-35 Mark 13:30-31[b]A thousand years is like a day before God. Humans are 'in time'; God is not. There are other prophecies that are linked to this prophecy and they are coming to pass. I will interpret that verse as 'THIS EARTH/GENERATION OF PEOPLE WILL NOT COME TO AN END till all these things be fulfilled'. That is what we Christians already know that when those things mentioned in verse 29 happen, then verse 30 and 31 will follow. Plainly, THIS EARTH WILL NOT PASS AWAY UNTIL JESUS FIRST COMES BACK; and this is in connection with the scriptures below, which were written before Jesus was born. Isaiah 65:17 (King James Version) 17For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. Isaiah 66:22 (King James Version) 22For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. Considering that Muslims always point us to the OT as being more authentic that the NT, Let us conclude that Jesus repeated/confirmed what was already prophesied in the OT. As he confirmed the passing away of the earth which was already prophesied under the Old dispensation (Law Covenant), he did not lie. He only revealed what was hidden in the OT. We need to take the following scripture into account when considering prophecies concerning the 'last days', 'the earth passing away' etc. Matthew 24:14 (King James Version) 14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. The gospel will be preached everywhere in the world so that in every place the message of Christ would been preached and made available, giving them the opportunity to choose to accept Christ. The gospel needs to be preached everywhere and missionaries are working on it but there is still a lot of ground to cover. EVERY PLACE/PEOPLE/NATION ON EARTH WILL HAVE THE MESSAGE OF CHRIST BROUGHT TO THEM as in Matthew 24: 14 before Matthew 24:29 happens.[/b] Don't be in a hurry about the prophecies. He prophesied that wickedness will abound and that the love of many will grow cold (Matthew 24:12). It is happening. Unthinkable things are happening and disgusting things are being legalized. Many hoard out of greed while others lack. Upon the emergence of the anti-christ (fake peace-maker), maybe you will reconsider this matter of Jesus prophecies! Matthew 16:27-28 Mark 9:1 Luke 9:27[b]THE KINGDOM OF GOD John 18:36 (New King James Version) 36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.” Jesus was saying the above to Pilate in answer to questions about his Kingship. We see that he makes it clear that his kingdom is not of this world - earthly government. He is talking about a SPIRTUAL KINGDOM THAT IS NOT SET UP BY MAN but by God. Luke 17:20-21 (Amplified Bible) 20Asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He replied to them by saying, The kingdom of God does not come with signs to be observed or with visible display, 21Nor will people say, Look! Here [it is]! or, See, [it is] there! For behold, the kingdom of God is within you [in your hearts] and among you [surrounding you]. I understand from this scripture that it is not possible to follow signs to the very last minute of the Kingdom of God coming(We all know how to throw a party when mum and dad are not around and then tidy up before they come back and pretend to have been studying all day because we know when they'll be back! ). The coming of the Son of Man will be unexpected, so we ought to 'be prepared' (like the 'Boy Scouts' ). The spiritual manifestation of the Kingdom of God is already with us! Children of God feel his love, joy and peace in their hearts despite all the wickedness around us; and those who are not of the kingdom of God are enjoying the 'rewards' of their master as we speak! The kingdom of God is here and we know it in our spirits. Jesus was correct when he said many of them will not see/taste death till they see (know/experience) the kingdom of God because he was talking about a 'spiritual experience' that will affect the 'physical'. e.g the peace of God.To explain further, Jesus said in Matthew: Matthew 23:13 (Amplified Bible) 13But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, pretenders (hypocrites)! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces; for you neither enter yourselves, nor do you allow those who are about to go in to do so. If you read the whole of Chapter 23, you will get the whole picture but in short, he was saying that the Scribes and the Pharisees were preventing people from entering the Kingdom of God. What the Pharisees were doing was that they practiced 'righteousness for show' and they burdened the people with so much requirements than was necessary. They burdened the people with 'religion' and prevented them from having a 'relationship' with God(Read parable of the Widow's mite, the Rich man and the poor sinner). It is the RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD THAT BRINGS YOU INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD, not rules like 'DON'T EAT PORK, DON'T SWING A CAT, SLEEP WITH YOUR WIFE ONLY ONCE A YEAR, CARRY YOUR SUNDAY OFFERING ON YOUR HEAD IN A 'GHANA MUST GO BAG', YOU MUST VISIT JERUSALEM EVERY YEAR IF YOU WANT TO GET TO HEAVEN, PAINT YOU FACE PALE WHITE WHEN YOU ARE FASTING etc. All those rules are not necessary to have a RELATIONSHIP with the father. WORSHIP, not RELIGION is what gives you access to the father. Once that relationship brings you into the kingdom of God, you can create a 'special bond' by making a vow and keeping it e.g. Food fast, intimacy fast, interceeding for others etc. The Kingdom of God comes from a SPIRITUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. To have a relationship with the Father (the kingdom of God within us), We need to be like 'LITTLE CHILDREN' before GOD. See below: Matthew 18:3 (Amplified Bible) 3And said, Truly I say to you, unless you repent (change, turn about) and become like little children [trusting, lowly, loving, forgiving], you can never enter the kingdom of heaven [at all]. I will say from the above that some of the signs of the the kingdom of God within us are: trusting God, humility, loving God and our neighbours, and being a forgiving person. More evidence(signs) of the kingdom of God in our lives can be found in Galatians: Galatians 5:22-23 (Amplified Bible) 22But the fruit of the [Holy] Spirit [the work which His presence within accomplishes] is love, joy (gladness), peace, patience (an even temper, forbearance), kindness, goodness (benevolence), faithfulness, 23Gentleness (meekness, humility), self-control (self-restraint, continence). Against such things there is no law [that can bring a charge]. The KINGDOM OF GOD IS DEFINITELY HERE IN OUR SPIRITS AND IN OUR MIDST (Luke 17:21) because many christians have the signs of the kingdom in their lives. Taking Nigerian governments as an example, some people will say they benefitted from a particular governor's government and others will say they didn't. Those who benefitted had a 'CONNECTION' with that government! If you do not connect with the father, you will miss out on the 'KINGDOM CAKE'. THE INVITATION IS NOT BASED ON TRIBES OR RELIGION, IT IS OPEN TO ALL THROUGH JESUS CHRIST(I am saying here that true Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with God). Given the explanation of the 'Kingdom of God' as above QUOTING JESUS OTEHR TEACHINGS, I hope it is clearer to you how those people Jesus referred to DID SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD BEFORE THEY TASTED DEATH. We don dey chop the kingdom of God as he dey now; we go chop am big time wen Jesus come back! INTERPRETING BIBLE VERSES INDIVIDUALLY WITHOUT REFERENCE TO CONTEXT AND WITHOUT REVERENCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT LEADS TO LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. (The fear of the lord is the beginning of wisdom). [/b] John’s Predictions:[b]'For the time is at HAND' means 'The time is near'. If you read and connect the three verses, the message here is about 'prophecies' that should be read, accepted, kept and will come to pass. The next logical question will be 'when will these prophecies come to pass? The answer is in the same text: 'FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND' which is equal to 'FOR THE TIME IS NEAR'. I can only guess that you want some explantion on 'antichrist' as you did not really ask a particular question. The 'anti-christ' is the 'prince of this world' as predicted by Jesus. The 'antichrist' is sometimes used to refer to 'the spirit of the anti-christ' or 'a manifestation of the spirit of the anti-christ'. Whatever context in which it is used, it usually refers to a person/body/organisation that is influenced/controlled by the spirit of the antichrist to speak against the messiahship of christ. Those under these influence will generally persecute christians The Spirit of the anti-christ is 'the prince of this world' and that is the Devil. As we have many persecuting christians today, so did others too during the time of the apostles. The persecution of christians is a sign that the 'last time' (the end) is near. We don't know when exactly but things happening around us will give us a clue. The 'fake peace-maker'(the embodiment of the antichrist) is coming to 'really' persecute those who follow Christ. The eagles are gathering . . . . The matter of the anti-christ requires an indepth understanding of teh Bible (with the help of the Holy Spirit) . It is 'meat' not 'milk'. [/b]Paul’s Predictions:Paul and the other apostles knew that Christ would be coming when they least expect. You somehow forgot to really read what 'WE SHALL NOT ALL' means. It means 'NOT ALL OF US'. Paul, was saying 'NOT ALL OF US WILL DIE A PHYSICAL DEATH' but we will all be transformed into a 'body' that is capable of living in the New kingdom. He did not say 'I , PAUL WILL NOT DIE' or 'I, PAUL WILL BE CHANGED'. Paul also did not fear to die for the Lord; Acts 21:13 (Amplified Bible) 13Then Paul replied, What do you mean by weeping and breaking my heart like this? For I hold myself in readiness not only to be arrested and bound and imprisoned at Jerusalem, but also [even] to die for the name of the Lord Jesus. Paul had been through many things; Prison, beatings, Snake-bite, shipwreck etc. He knew that he had to be faithful till the end, that is, his death or the coming of Christ, whichever came first. It is the same for us christians today. QUESTIONS ON ALLAH'S PLAN Given your familiarity with the 'RAPTURE DRILL' , and your disbelief of the prophecy that we will not all die but some will be taken up. Could you please in the manner of the RAPTURE PLAN, list first, and then explain if necessary, Allah's Judgement/resurrection Plan? How does Allah plan to get everybody to judgement? Is it judgement on death? Will he wait till everybody dies off the surface of the earth? Will he wipe out all living things in one day so as to judge us all at the same time? Will he send a flood, fire, earthquake, disease or 'mass thunder-strike', to make sure everybody dies at once? Did he give an indication of what time 'the end' will be? Any signs to look out for? Will he come down to earth, or take us all up to heaven? PLEASE EXPLAIN ALLAH'S RESSURECTION /JUDGEMENT PLAN. Thanks in advance of a civil reply.ALL SCRIPTURE IS INSPIRED BY GOD[b]Paul clearly indicated where he was giving ADVICE not STATING A COMMANDMENT FROM GOD! It therefore makes sense THAT WHERE HE DID NOT INDICATE THAT HE WAS OFFERING ADVICE, HE WAS SPEAKING FROM REVELATION! It does not make sense to CONSIDER EVERYTHING THAT PAUL SAID AS OF HIS OWN SINCE HE WAS CLEARLY HONEST STATING WHERE THE CASE WAS SO! On Corinthians 7:12, Paul was advising that if a christian has a non-christian wife who is happy to stay, he should not divorce her for being a muslim or a bhuddist. He was giving guidance bearing in mind that GOD HATES DIVORCE and that sending leaving your wife or your husband(who is not complaining about your religion) because of their religion falls short of the commandment THOU SHALT LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF, and DO NOT DEAL TREACHEROUSLY WITH THE WIFE OF YOUR YOUTH. His advice was in line with GOD'S COMMANDMENTS. Not everybody is spiritually deep enough to understand the things of God and it would be right for those who have understanding to guide them in the right path.[/b] Paul did not say anything contrary to God's commandments. Advice is different from Prophecy but both can come from the same source where the adviser is in tune with the 'source of his prophecy', and lives and abides by the commandments God. If Paul had said 'KILL YOUR WIFE IF SHE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN FOR THE HONOUR OF GOD'; BEAT YOUR NON-CHRISTIAN WIFE EVERYDAY UNTIL SHE CONVERTS TO CHRISTIANITY, ABSTAIN FROM YOUR WIFE'S BED UNTIL SHE DENOUNCES HER RELIGION or 'KILL YOUR WIFE IF SHE BECOMES A MUSLIM EVEN IF SHE DOES NOT MIND THAT YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN'. It would be clear to all that he is a liar as that advice is not in tune with God's commandments at all! PAUL GAVE ADVICE THAT WAS IN LINE WITH GOD'S COMMANDMENT AND MADE IT CLEAR TO US THAT HE WAS GIVING GUIDANCE (and we can say he was influenced by the spirit of God because a child of God will do things in a godly way). Text in red in last paragraph added at 1011Hrs GMT on 20/11/10 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Politics › Re: "Do Not Vote For A Muslim President" - Pastor Paul Adefarasin by seyibrown(f): 4:27pm On Nov 19, 2010 |
Obviously we have morons and log- heads commenting on this topic so far. Nigeria is the only country in which religion or tribalism is put ahead of unity or patrotism. Nigeria was not made for one religion, we have muslims, christians and atheist living as one. The pastor is obviously mental. For the bible does not command us to judge others rather pacify them and make them see reasons through our lifestyle and leadership. If our leaders also followed the quran they would know that cheating, looting and all other vices are an abomination. The saddest part in all of these is that the main people affected by all the injustice and political sham in this country are the ones quick to follow a man whose comment to me is anti-nigeria. Our major problem has always been sentiments around religion, tribes and locality, this time they have decided to use pastor adefarasin and i can see it's working! Shame on us all,You will get a better picture of what the Pastor and the Governor meant when SHARIA becomes FEDERAL LAW! I guess it will be a lot easier to campaign for a neutral government when it becomes legal for all 'infidels' to be executed , and your daughters and wives are forced to wear Hijabs and stay in the bedroom for life! I want my country (whichever region after the annulment of this forced marriage) to be ruled by PEOPLE OF INTEGRITY not OPPRESSORS! |
| Politics › Re: "Do Not Vote For A Muslim President" - Pastor Paul Adefarasin by seyibrown(f): 3:21am On Nov 19, 2010 |
Ayatullah:It is not drugs that helps one to know that Nigeria's gonna split! We are so blind and in self-denial that we've got the likes of Ghaddafi and the US telling us it's gonna happen! I am done with this forced marriage called Nigeria, jo! Nigeria is gone! |
| Celebrities › Re: Nollywood Split Over Tonto Dikeh by seyibrown(f): 2:31am On Nov 19, 2010 |
Definitely not a family movie! Hope it's kept out of the reach of the children . . . and irresponsible adults who would let children watch it! Now, how is that gonna happen? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Muhammad In The Bible by seyibrown(f): 2:17am On Nov 19, 2010 |
LagosShia: Yes, Bossssssssssss! Just some more Pork Crackling and a bit of Port to wash it down before I finally go to bed! Gbogbo ohun ti Olorun da, daradara ni! K'olorun Ji wa're o! Amin. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Muhammad In The Bible by seyibrown(f): 12:59am On Nov 19, 2010 |
Shia, I will choose to eat pork and drink some wine everyday over planting a bomb in Mecca to kill thousands of Muslims! |
| Politics › Re: Video Of Alleged Assault On Actress Ufoma Ejenabor by seyibrown(f): 12:11am On Nov 19, 2010 |
That was one angry Nigerian woman! Why didn't the police just give her the assurance she needed? I believe an assurance that the damage was gonna be taken care of could have easily averted all this wahala! , and why beat someone whose car you've just damaged? While I appreciate the deputy commissioner's input, we all know that the situation could get worse for her once she gets inside the Police Station; she felt safer where the public was watching what was happening! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Muhammad In The Bible by seyibrown(f): 11:34pm On Nov 18, 2010 |
[b]Cool down, Shia! You have read my post wrong or did not understand it at all! All the Laws are fulfilled when you LOVE GOD and LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR! Example: If you love God, you would not take a life that he created; If you love your neighbour you will not take his life! If the LOVE OF GOD is not present in your life you cannot fulfill GOD'S LAW! We cannot fulfill all of God's Law because WE HAVE ALL SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF GOD'S STANDARD, that is why his grace is sufficient; That is why the blood of Jesus is there for us, WHEN HE SEES THE BLOOD HE WILL PASS OVER US! If where you are sat, you are not wearing LEAVES, you have most likely fallen short of the Law concerning FABRIC! What's the point of ablution and prayer 5 times a day when you are planning to blow up your neighbours? What's the point of going to church every sunday when you are embezzling state funds and keeping your fellow citizens in poverty? How do you love God and your neighbour and then 'honor kill'/stone your sister for committing adultery? How do you love God and your neighbour when you rob a child in your care of his/her innocence? Anyone who loves God and loves his neighbour will not do what I have listed above! LOVING GOD and LOVING YOUR NEIGHBOUR - not bodily cleanliness - is next to godliness! About being begotten or not being begotten: NOTHING IN THE BIBLE TAKES AWAY THE MESSIAHSHIP OF JESUS![/b] |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Muhammad In The Bible by seyibrown(f): 10:40pm On Nov 18, 2010 |
Jesus also says:[b]LagosShia, Jesus came to 'fulfil the law' as in 'COMPLETE the law'. You notice that he says in verse 20 that 'righteousness must surpass that of the Pharisees and Teachers'; I mentioned in my address of your original post about 'FOLLOWING THE LAW ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT'. Jesus came to complete/fulfill the Law in pointing us in the right direction: THE LAW WAS NOT TO BE FOLLOWED 'TO THE LETTER' but 'BY THE SPIRIT'. Self-righteousness and righteousness for others to see is not the way; living according to the 'spirit' of the law is the way. Example: THOU SHALT NOT KILL Following the Law to the letter, I could hate my neighbour so much but stop at killing him only because the law says not to do so or because I don't want people to know that I have a murderous heart. Following the Law in the Spirit, I would not even hate him at all, because If I hate him, I would not be keeping the Law 'THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF.' The Pharisees and teachers had been following the Law to the Letter all their lives; What was missing was the 'obeying the Law to the Spirit', and that was what Jesus came to bring their attention to. He came to complete the Law by introducing the 'Spirit'. God looks at the heart, not the outside; God will hear prayers said while seating on the Loo, just as he will hear prayers said when you have just washed. IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT MATTERS, NOT RELIGION! Jesus also said that the Law and the Prophets are all fulfilled under 'Thou shalt love the Lord thy God' and 'Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself'. Those two laws cover all the laws. Someone who loves their neighbour does not harm them. If you fail in those two laws, you have failed the rest! If you keep these two laws, you have kept the rest![/b] |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Muhammad In The Bible by seyibrown(f): 9:59pm On Nov 18, 2010 |
@LagosShia now you have to choose:its either Jesus is having two mouths,or you have to accept that when Jesus said what you eat does not make you unclean,he was not refering to forbidden food under the law,but food that are permitted.therefore pork is still forbidden and you should not eat it and you must uphold all the law as Jesus states in mathew 5:17-20 and not set aside the least because you shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.I am happy that you search the Bible for the truth; I pray that one of these days, you find the truth! show me where in the bible Jesus is the "begotten son" of God. John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. Are you a happy lad now? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Interview With Joagbaje - His Perspective On Christianity by seyibrown(f): 9:35pm On Nov 18, 2010 |
Thanks for the response, Jo! Your stance is clear to me! The bits you thought weren't clear (e.g unholiness) had to do with a topic we recently hotly debated. God bless you! I will now sit back and enjoy the rest of the interview.  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Be Part Of My Dream Lets Make Successful and Better People.. by seyibrown(f): 9:08pm On Nov 18, 2010 |
Bookmarked! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Muhammad In The Bible by seyibrown(f): 8:52pm On Nov 18, 2010 |
LagosShia, Please accept Omoimole's post as answers to your post to mine. My response to your original posts addressed your misconceptions. It is for you to read and understand and then accept or reject my submissions! The only one things I need to add are: The above is really true.but unfortunately you are the one saying it and yet doing the opposite.you don’t follow the commandments yourselves.you are the ones that eat pork,drink wine,many of you are not circumcised and Paul deem that unnecessary.you do some many things contrary to the commandments and you expect the muslims who follow the commandments to follow your footsteps with empty words.Jesus taught that it is not what goes inside a man that defiles a man but what comes out of the man. He was saying that the food that a man eats does not make him unclean before God because the food is passed out as excreta; It is rather the thoughts that come from the inside of a man that make him unclean before God! When God finished creating all living things, 'Everything he created was good'. Christians do follow the teachings of Christ, Shia! The above is really true.but unfortunately you are the one saying it and yet doing the opposite.you don’t follow the commandments yourselves.you are the ones that eat pork,drink wine,many of you are not circumcised and Paul deem that unnecessary.you do some many things contrary to the commandments and you expect the muslims who follow the commandments to follow your footsteps with empty words.[b]Please stop making the mistake that Jews do not belive in Jesus, Many Jews do; God TV, for example, preaches Jesus broadcasts from Israel. Many Jews all over the world now realise that Jesus is the Messiah. About 'coconut heads': I used the term because it is one we all know. We know it is used to refer to someone who it is impossible to impart knowledge to because it just doesn't sink in. I felt the term was suitable given that even the simplest of passages (e.g Noah and his sons, 'another comforter') are read and turned upside down on their heads. The feigning of ignorance on a lot of matters also make it an accurate description. The hijack and diversion of intelligent post to senseless rantings which lack reason and logic also makes it an appropriate word to use. You will also agree that 'coconut head' is very mild and loving compared to the words like 'infidel' that I have seen used to describe xtians, Jesus, Jehovah, Yahweh and the Holy Spirit on here. Please bear with us, Shia! It has been a wonderful opportunity to be able to address your misconceptions.[/b] |
| Politics › Re: "Do Not Vote For A Muslim President" - Pastor Paul Adefarasin by seyibrown(f): 6:58pm On Nov 18, 2010 |
Today's Nigeria that ye see, ye shall see no more! |
| Sports › Re: Breaking News !!:Amos Adamu Suspended For 3 Years and Fined by seyibrown(f): 6:09pm On Nov 18, 2010 |
It's such a disgrace! He should have been banned for life! He has proven that he cannot be trusted in a position of authority![b][/b] |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Yes, I Believe In The Holy Coconut by seyibrown(f): 6:06pm On Nov 18, 2010 |
Looks like Seun's 'Holy Coconut' Gospel didn't last or gather that much followers! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Seyibrown And Nopuqeater Try To Explain! by seyibrown(op): 5:55pm On Nov 18, 2010 |
The Year of the Elephant army man "Abraha" invasion of Makka. He (AS) was born on Monday.Sorry to interrupt, Sweet. I don't understand 'The year of the Elephant'. Please make your answers clear e.g . 200 BCE, 19 AD etc. Could you please amend your answer to include the actual year in a format I can understand. Thanks. As regards the 'good deeds' to cover sin, you have ommitted the good deeds that a living relative needs to do to cover the sins/or get forgiveness for a dead relative who committed etc murder, despoil before dying, as that was the premise of my questions. Please amend your answer to include full and clear answers so that I don't have to ask you the same questions again. I want to see islam through your eyes. Thanks. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Interview With Joagbaje - His Perspective On Christianity by seyibrown(f): 3:55pm On Nov 18, 2010 |
Jo, please address at post # 34! Thanks! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Seyibrown And Nopuqeater Try To Explain! by seyibrown(op): 1:19pm On Nov 18, 2010 |
Sweet, Please start off the 'genuine questions and answers' by answering the questions I asked in # 192 about sins and what deeds cover them! I know how forgiveness of sins work in Christianity (accepting Christ and living a life that pleases God with the help of the Holy Spirit) but do not understand how it works in Islam! Please explain so that myself and others may understand. Thanking you in advance of a 'civil' explanation from your understanding of Islam. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Seyibrown And Nopuqeater Try To Explain! by seyibrown(op): 2:06am On Nov 18, 2010 |
Sweet, Let's leave the matter of Aisha alone. Carry on with any 'genuine questions' you've got about Christ/Christianity and I'll ask any 'genuine questions' I have got about Islam? Please try and answer questions asked with explanations that you can support with scriptures instead of an 'attack'. I will do the same. If we do it this way, I think we'll finish this discussion sooner. Thanks. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Muhammad In The Bible by seyibrown(f): 10:24pm On Nov 17, 2010 |
I hope post #43 clarifies the misconceptions in the topic as posted by LagosShia! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Muhammad In The Bible by seyibrown(f): 4:48pm On Nov 17, 2010 |
@LagosShia 1.Christians believe that Jesus is God and the Son of God. This is a fundamental principle in Trinitarian Christianity. If one does not believe in this, he is not a Christian. But Christians do not say that Moses is God or the Son of God. Therefore, this is a major difference between Moses and Jesus. If Christians say that Jesus is not God or the Son of God, or that Moses is also God and the Son of God, then their entire belief system will be turned upside down.Yes, If one does not believe that Jesus is the son of God, and that he is God come down to us in the flesh to save us, he is not a Christian! Moses is not the son of God or God come down to us in the flesh, and he never said he was but Jesus said he was the son of God and that he and the father are the same. It will therefore be impossible for anyone to claim to be Christian and refute who Jesus said he is; and as they are followers of Christ and not Moses, there is no need to say Moses was who he did not say he was especially as the work of our salvation was done through Jesus and not Moses. 2.Christians believe that Jesus died on the cross for the sins of humanity. But they do not believe that about Moses. This belief is a core requirement of Christianity. If one does not believe in it, he will not be saved and is not considered a Christian. This is another major difference between Jesus and Moses. Either the Christians will have to deny what they believe about Jesus or believe the same thing for Moses, both of which puts the very foundation of their religion in question.Yes, Jesus birth was miraculous as his was conceived by the breath of God - the same breath that was breathed into Adam - and this makes him superior to men of 'natural births' He was born of the spirit, of the breath of God and we can therefore not compare him to men of 'ordinary births'. He is not in the same league as Moses or Mohammed! He is 'HIGHER', therefore, Moses and Mohammed cannot do do things equal to what he did - THE WORK OF SALVATION THAT WAS DONE ON THE CROSS OF CALVARY! 3.Moses and Muhammad and their respective messages were eventually accepted by their people, while the Israelites rejected Jesus and his message. He had only a small group of people accept him. John 1:1 states: "He (Jesus) came unto his own, but his own received him not."The Israelites(in the wilderness) had no one else to lead them but Moses. I don't know if the Arabs had someone else to lead them but they seem to had no choice but to follow Islam. When Jesus came there were others who brought other messages, and got followers but many did not last. There was also the teachers of the Law of Moses, so ther was choice for the people; they could stick with the Law of Moses as taught by the teachers, follow one of the many new teachers or follow Christ who taught about the kingdom of God and interpreted the law of Moses according to the 'Spirit', not the 'letter' as the Law teachers. The Law teachers focused on 'outward righteousness' (for approval and praise of Men)and not 'inward righteousness' (for God's approval). The Israelites had no choice under Moses; the people around Mohammed had no choice; the people around Jesus HAD CHOICE! 4.Both Moses and Muhammad brought laws for their people. But according to Christianity, Jesus did not bring any new laws. Matthew 5:17-18 states that Jesus said: "Think not that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets, but I have come to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."Yes, Moses gave laws. The people saw supernatural manifestations. There was proof to them in those manifestations that God spoke to Moses. Mohammed brought Laws but I am not certain where those Laws came from. Jesus interpreted the Law that God gave Moses (which had been earlier proved by God showing his presence to the people with Moses), and his message was accompanied with mighty signs and wonders such as had never been seen before (proof that it came from God),and the OT already bore testimony that he Jesus would come in the power of God; and the Spirit of God within us today testifies that Jesus was sent from God! Jesus ministry fulfills the requirement of The TRUTH BEING ESTABLISHED AT THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES! JESUS DID NOT BRING ANY NEW LAWS BECAUSE THE LAWS ARE ALREADY WRITTEN IN OUR HEARTS! We find witness to the Law in our hearts in the Bible (the word of God), and the Spirit of God! Again those Laws fulfill the requirement of two or three witnesses! 5.Both Moses and Muhammad died natural deaths. But Christians believe that Jesus was crucified. So in this manner, Jesus and Moses are different, and Muhammad and Moses are similar.Moses grave was not known to the people, he died in the mountain in God's care. He prepared the people for his death and appointed JOSHUA to take his place. Mohammed died as a result of poisoning and his grave is known and still occupied. I do not know if he got the chance to prepare the people or chose someone to lead the people. Jesus died and resurrected, his tomb is not occupied. He prepared his disciples for his death and the HOLY SPIRIT is the one who led them (and continues to lead Christians) in his death. In this respect, Mohammed is not like Moses, or Jesus! 6.Both Moses and Muhammad established governments. Moses and Muhammad became the rulers over their people. They had executive powers over their people. But Jesus did not.Jesus tells us that his Kingdom in not of this world. His kingdom is not an earthly one governed by an earthly system, rather, it is a spiritual one governed by spiritual laws (the ones written in our hearts and testified to by the Spirit of God) which we apply to our lives to bring our flesh in subjection to the Spirit of God so that we can be part of that Spiritual Kingdom; If we are part of his Kingdom, we will be part of it when he comes to reign on earth in the power of God! Jesus reign/kingdom will have no end because it is of God (Spirit); Moses and Mohammed's reign ended because they had 'executive' powers that could do nothing for the 'Spirit'. 7.Both Moses and Muhammad had an exodus. Moses led his people to freedom from Egypt to Palestine, and this migration was called the Exodus. Muhammad led his away from the oppression of the people of Mecca to Medina, and this migration was called the Hijrah. Both events were major episodes in the histories of these two great prophets.Yes, Moses led an Exodus. You tell me that Mohammed led an Exodus. Jesus is still leading his Exodus - the migration of man from the 'Law of sin and death' to the 'Spirit of Life'. By virtue of the work of our salvation accomplished by his death on the cross and his resurrection, anyone who accepts him as Lord and Saviour is freed from the spiritual 'Pharoah' of a life of sin a reward of eternal death and migrated into the 'promised land' of a life that glorifies God and eternal life. The exodus of Moses and Mohammed ended ages ago, but that of our Lord Jesus Christ is still ongoing and the opportunity is still open for those who are still 'unsaved' to join Christ's 'Noah's ark' so that they don't lose their lives in the coming 'Flood' of God's judgement. [b]Jesus did not need to use the word 'say'. He is the 'word of God' who was there at the creation of the world. He is the same as the Father and therefore does not need to use the word 'say'(in the context which you refer to). Jesus was the Message! There is no confusion about 'the Spirit of Truth' that Jesus referred to: John 14: 16-17 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. From verse 17: a.The world cannot receive the spirit of truth. Why? Because the world DOES NOT SEE HIM as he is invisible. THE HOLY SPIRIT cannot be seen but he can be felt. b. Again the world cannot receive the spirit of truth because they do not know him. Why don't they know him? We can find the answer below: John 14: 6 -9 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? If you do not know Jesus, you cannot know the father (God)! The spirit of the father is 'the spirit of truth'. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father. If you do not know Jesus, you cannot know the father, and therefore, you will not know the spirit of the father, and you will not accept the spirit of the father which is 'the spirit of truth' and the 'another comforter' referred to in John 14:16. The last part of John 14:17 explains 'KNOWS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH' and these are those IN WHOM THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH DWELLS. Jesus told the disciples that 'they knew the spirit of truth because it dwelt in them'. The only reason the disciples knew the spirit of the truth was because 'THEY KNEW AND ACCEPTED JESUS'. It therefore only follows that it is ONLY THOSE WHO KNOW AND ACCEPT THE LORD JESUS THAT HAVE 'THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH' DWELLING IN THEM. From the above, there is no place for Mohammed in the equation. In John 14, following Jesus sayings, certain things were to preceed the 'receiving of the 'another comforter (the spirit of truth)'. John 14: 11 - Believing that Jesus is in the Father and that the Father is in Jesus; John 14:12 - keeping Jesus commandments. From the above, you will not personally receive the 'another comforter (the spirit of truth)' if you do not believe in Jesus and if you do not keep Jesus commandments. I can therefore confidently say that Mohammed is not the 'another comforter' or the Spirit of truth based on the aforementioned and the following: a. When I accepted Jesus, Mohammed did not start dwelling in me, which I believe is also the case with other Christians. b. The Spirit of Truth is to remind of what Jesus taught but we clearly see that Mohammed's commandments are very different from what Jesus taught. A very good example is that of the 'adulterous woman' in John 8. Jesus said that anyone who was without sin should cast the first stone, and nobody could, because all men have sinned; Islam however, commands the stoning of Adulterers. Mohammed's teachings does not remind us of what Jesus taught as Jesus says 'go and sin no more; but Islam says 'Kill her, she is a sinner' and robs that creation of God the opportunity to reconcile with his/her maker. c.Jesus commands to love him, and loving him, I also love the 'Spirit of truth'. Islam does not allow you to love Jesus but persecutes those who love Jesus instead. As the spirit of truth comes as an extension of loving Jesus, it cannot therefore be Mohammed, since Islam teaches that followers of Jesus are 'infidels'. If muslims are not 'infidels' because they do not love Jesus and keep Jesus' commandments, they cannot have the Spirit of Truth because it only comes by loving Jesus and keeping Jesus commandments. If you keep Jesus commandments, you cannot keep Mohammed's commandments because they are not the same. To love Jesus and keep his commandments, and have the spirit of truth, you have to be an 'infidel' in the eyes of Islam. Under the old dispensation, the Spirit of God rested on specific people chosen by God; under the new dispensation, the Spirit of truth (the spirit of God, the Holy Spirit) rests on ALL who love and accept Jesus. All the fruits, gifts and knowledge of the Spirit of truth became fully Manifested when Jesus left. The Bible does not use the word 'spirit to mean 'prophets'. The word prophet in the scripture below was there for a reason. 1 John 4:1-3 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits to see if they are from God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." The reason is because prophets speak by the 'spirit', and you need to test that the 'spirit' by whom the prophet is speaking is 'of God' and not 'of the devil'. In John 14:6, Jesus said he was THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE; and in John 14:30 Jesus talked about the 'prince of this world that had nothing of Jesus ' that was coming. Mohammed came after Jesus and his teachings have nothing of Jesus, therefore we can conclude that MOHAMMED IS NOT THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE; and that he is A MANIFESTATION OF 'THE PRINCE OF THIS WORLD' that Jesus talked about. Mohammed does not glorify Jesus; If he glorified Jesus, his followers would glorify him and love those who love him. The followers of Mohammed persecute those who love Jesus. You cannot glorify someone you hate; You will glorify someone you love. If Mohammed did indeed glorify Jesus, then Mohammed's followers are making a huge mistake in not glorifying and loving Jesus. Anyone who loves and glorifies Jesus does so in deed(the way they live their lives) by keeping Jesus' commandments, not just in words (reading or writing it in a book and leaving it there). [/b] |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Interview With Joagbaje - His Perspective On Christianity by seyibrown(f): 4:05pm On Nov 17, 2010 |
But talking about the body of christ ,What do we do? Two things . We pray and we teach the truth.then leave the rest for God. Jesus knows what to do in his body . In our bid to take laws into our hand . We work against christ himself. And destroy the body we feel we are protecting. Jesus gave us clear outline here. The bible says every body should be persuaded in his own mind. Why will you condemn someone for his persuasion in the Word? let the master judge him. Can we escape God?1. How do we know someone is preaching the TRUTH? 2. What about teachings that justify 'unholiness' on the basis of the 'needs of the flesh' and take the focus way on following the 'spirit'? 3.How do we go about pointing out that that teaching is not of the 'spirit' but of the flesh to prevent christians from going astray without offending the preacher who feels 'persuaded by the word of God' about his teaching? 4. Is it wrong to point out that a teacher's persuasion is wrong based on our own persuasion on matters where the teacher directly or indirectly encourages 'unholiness' ? If it is wrong to point out, How do we approach such things without being labelled as speaking against men of God? |
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