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 Christianity Etc › Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by seyibrown(f): 4:23pm On Sep 11, 2010 |
 ! Una welcome back o! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Have You Praised Him Today? by seyibrown(f): 4:18pm On Sep 11, 2010 |
I thank God for his promises. I know that he who started the work in me is able to complete it! Amen! Bless the Lord, Oh my Soul! Alleluia! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Meant By "the Permissive Will Of God". by seyibrown(f): 1:46am On Sep 10, 2010 |
It is usually used to 'garnish' disobedience or deviation from the perfect will and instruction of God! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Listening Into Others Prayers In Church. Good Or Bad by seyibrown(f): 1:26am On Sep 10, 2010 |
Pray quietly, loudly, shout, dance, jump, sing, yell, groan; just do it as the Holy Spirit leads you! On a lighter note, I was distracted by a middle-aged woman's prayer at a night vigil when I was about 14 years old! This woman was very very serious about her prayer cos all she was saying was ' Olorun je ki ara Kubura ya'. Her daughter 'Kubura' (around 21 years old) was very ill. She started saying 'ko ni da fun eni to n so ni ibi ba yi o' (cursing the person farting) at intervals with her request for Kubura's healing. Someone was farting so badly. It was so terrible I couldn't stand it myself - the farting!. Sometimes she would add ' Inu eni to ya'so yi ti bu'. She focused on Nimota and the 'farter' throughout for about 15 minutes of 'fire by fire' prayer style. I couldn't pray anymore, I couldn't laugh out, I couldn't breathe! I thanked God when the farting and prayer session ended. My siblings were there too. We laughed our heads off on the way home! That was one experience of a life-time! . I am laughing silly as I write this! |
| Culture › Re: Ekiti Kete by seyibrown(f): 11:58pm On Sep 09, 2010 |
daylae: Ee si Igbo! The missing accent notations may make it look like that! Are you 'Ekiti Abroad'?S'ori lo mi rin a s'ekiti a bo'se! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why I Quit Being A Muslim by seyibrown(f): 11:42pm On Sep 09, 2010 |
Congratulations to your friend! May he continue to grow in Christ who strengthens us! Amen! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by seyibrown(f): 1:42am On Sep 09, 2010 |
Isn't this thread for Christians who understand Arabic? Please stop coming in here to cause trouble! If any muslim thinks the OP or anyone else is not translating correctly, why don't you just correct the errors in a civilised (ISLAMIC = PEACEFUL) manner, with the view to enlightenment and not blasphemy! E so ra yin o! E ma je n re f'ejo yin sun Lemomu o(Ibadan accent)! Koboko ti mo n dun lori yin nigba te mo nt'orungbe ni ile keu si n be l'owo re o (Kwara accent)! Awa o le f'odun meedogun ka keu ka to ka itumo re! Ni'joo ni o to ye ni! A fe mo itumo bi a se n koo ti a si n kaa (Ibadan accent)! We will recite with the spirit and with understanding! Alfa Almuhandis, Carry go jo; I is(sic) singing and dancing along o jeee(Kwara accent)! |
| Culture › Re: Ekiti Kete by seyibrown(f): 12:01am On Sep 09, 2010 |
Hin pele l'ibe oooo! O to'jo meta! S'alafia ni gbogbo rin se? |
| Family › Re: Is Polygamy A Sin Among Christians Even For Pastors by seyibrown(f): 11:30pm On Sep 08, 2010 |
likeme:[b]likeme, I have seen a family where the man had two wives. He came into church and when he was going to be made a Deacon, he was told he had to hold on to one wife. He married his his second wife in the church. Whoever advised him to do that, I haven't got a clue but clearly his church supported his decision. He stopped taking care of his first wife and her children. None of them went to school but all the second wife's children did. No need to elaborate how the family gets on. THERE IS PLENTY OF BAD ADVICE AROUND. My own grandfather had seven wives. He sent only the children of the first to school. IF YOU HAVE TO CONTAIN YOUR SEXUAL URGES TO PREVENT WIFE AND SIBLING RIVALRY, WHY NOT DO IT? DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY WOMEN AND CHILDREN INVITE EVIL SPIRITS INTO THEIR LIVES JUST TO BE ABLE TO PUNISH STEP-MOTHERS OR STEP-SIBLINGS? THEY KNOW THAT 'SEXUALLY INCONTINENCE AND SELFISH DADDY/HUBBY' WILL NOT DO RIGHT BY THEM, WILL NOT SEEK JUSTICE FOR THEM BECAUSE HIS BALLS HAVE REPLACED HIS BRAINS. Jesus clearly said in Matthew that ' he who created them in the beginning made them 'Man and Wife' referring to Adam and Eve. He did not say 'Man and wives' which would have meant 'Adam and EveS'. He was referring to the fact that 'the creator created only ONE EVE for ADAM! We can see all around us that something bad always comes out of man's deviation from God's instructions. Man always reaps the consequences of going against God's commandments. God's plan is perfect. If we follow his models we will fit into that plan and enjoy every minute of it! Many always regret not having listened to God, not having done things right. GOD LOVES US! LET US ASK HIM TO HELP US PLEASE HIM IN EVERYTHING WE DO, AND HELP US TO ALWAYS DO WHAT IS RIGHT IN HIS EYES, NOT WHAT PLEASE US OR WHAT IS RIGHT IN OUR OWN EYES![/b] I have seen a family where the man was told in touc |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Too Many Churches, Too Many Fake Christians by seyibrown(f): 11:31pm On Sep 07, 2010 |
What do you expect? The WORLD has infiltrated the CHURCH! Many came into the Church and brought the world in with them! They are supposed to leave the world behind! Ye cannot serve God and mammon! Jesus said there are those he will say to 'go away from me, you workers of iniquity'. They will be Christians/Churchgoers who refused to let go of the world; the ones who profess Christ but do not bear any fruits that resemble whom they profess! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: First Part - The Mystery Of Creation by seyibrown(f): 11:23pm On Sep 07, 2010 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Was She Wrong Or Right? by seyibrown(f): 11:10pm On Sep 07, 2010 |
Better to seperate before being joined together than to start looking for seperation after being joined together! I wonder what your friend's fiance was looking for in a 'non-deeper life' girl in the first place; and your friend too! There are plenty of beautiful women in deeper life (who have been brought up to dress up the way he likes) and likewise plenty of eligible bachelors (who would have no qualms about her wearing trousers) in RCCG! One mistake to make in marriage is to marry someone hoping you'll be able to change them! Why marry someone who believes a woman should conduct herself in a certain manner when you are not that kind of woman at all? They'll end up quarelling everyday about her not conforming to his picture of the good woman! How person go see fire wan go enter am? I hope they stay away from each other; they will be saving a lot of people a lot of trouble! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Paul: If Through My Falsehood God's Truthfulness Abounds To His Glory: , by seyibrown(f): 10:58pm On Sep 07, 2010 |
mazaje, If what you are very certain that what you hold on to will take you to your destination, why do you waste time searching for 'presumed errors' contained in a gospel you do not believe in? Why don't you instead sell us what you've got? Share your 'ways' with us and see if it'll may be make sense to us! Tell us what makes you tick; tell us what you live for! |
| Politics › Re: Constable Adamu’s Exemplary Conduct by seyibrown(f): 10:35pm On Sep 07, 2010 |
If every Police Office returned overpayments; rejected bribes; do not assault citizens; and got paid a decent wage, WHAT AN EXEMPLARY POLICE FORCE THAT WOULD BE!  God bless the real Nigerian Police Force (Our Constable Adamus)! Amen! |
| Politics › Re: Check Out Your Street Postcode (nigeria) by seyibrown(f): 10:26pm On Sep 07, 2010 |
Some people are really working at NIPOST being a real success? In this our Nigeria? I thank God for their lives! Didn't find my postcode but they are making progress! Kudos! |
| Politics › Re: What Is Wrong With Patrick Obahaigbon? by seyibrown(f): 10:12pm On Sep 07, 2010 |
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| Politics › Re: Obasanjo Humiliated By Canadian Immigration by seyibrown(f): 9:58pm On Sep 07, 2010 |
Could his 'body lanuguage' have made the officials suspect he was a 'Cannabis Farmer'? Immigration officials blame everything on foreign-looking people's body language these days! |
| Politics › Are Our Politicians And Their Collaborators Above The Law? by seyibrown(op): 8:41pm On Sep 07, 2010 |
A group, Network on Police Reform in Nigeria (NOPRIN) has called on Governor Ikedi Ohakim to rid his cabinet of men of questionable character with particular reference to one Chief Jasper Ndubuaku, a Special Adviser to the governor, whom the group said has a murder charge dangling down his neck. NOPRIN is seriously concerned that for the past three years, the Ekwedim Community, in Amauzari, Isiala Mbano council area of Imo State has been seeking justice for the murder of one of their members, late Mr. Augustine Igbokwe and the attempted murder of another member of the community, Mr. Chinedu Ngumas. Police report from the Legal Department of the Force Headquarters, Abuja indicted the suspects, Mr. Jasper Ndubuaku and his brother, Richard Azubuike Ndubuaku, and recommended their immediate arrest and arraignment in court for murder and attempted murder. The Director of Public Prosecution (DPP), Ministry of Justice, Imo State has, over one year after he received the police report, also advised the Imo State Commissioner of Police, Mr. Aloysius Okorie, to arrest and prosecute the perpetrators for the offences of murder and attempted murder. But surprisingly, the Attorney General and Commissioner for Justice, Imo State : Barrister Ken Njemanze (SAN), has kept the case file for the past four months ostensibly, ‘for his vetting’. Reda full story here: http://www.huhuonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1990:sack-the-murderer-in-your-cabinet-group-tell-ohakim&catid=103:more-news |
| Family › Re: Is Polygamy A Sin Among Christians Even For Pastors by seyibrown(f): 6:04pm On Sep 07, 2010 |
Romeo4real, You accept that 'the Bible lays out how we should treat others', yet you do not accept 'THOU SHALT NOT DEAL TREACHEROUSLY WITH THE WIFE OF YOUR YOUTH' as in the Malachi scripture I quoted; 'DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD DESIRE THEM TO DO TO YOU' or 'LOVE YOUR WIVES AS CHRIST LOVED THE CHURCH AND GAVE HIMSELF UP FOR HER' as part of 'how to treat others'! Christ died for 'his bride' because he loved her so much; He didn't 'cheat' on her; He didn't coerce her into accepting the position of first bride; He didn't make her feel helpless and have to resign to the fate of being repeatedly cheated on just because she has everything to lose if she leaves him! A man who loves like Christ loves his bride would PREFER TO DIE THAN BREAK HIS WIFE'S HEART by bringing another woman into the family! He would not RISK BRINGING SOMEONE WHO COULD POTENTIALLY TURN HER HUSBAND'S HER AGAINST HER INTO THE FAMILY! He would not RISK INFECTING HER WITH AN STD by having another sexual partner! You infer that it is say to 'sleep with another woman (second wife)'! Would you let your wife sleep with someone else? Please, answer truthfully! What effect does 'marrying a second wife' have on the first wife? You answer that if you can. If you love your wife so much, you would not consider loving another woman at all! Joining yourself to another other than your wife is 'adultery and treachery' against her! That is the 'cold hard truth' that selfish and uncontented men (hard- hearted men) have always (and will always) refuse to accept! The hard-hearted men Jesus referred to had 'hearts of stone' that would not absorb the 'water of instruction' from God! The hard-hearted would never accept the instruction to be faithful to 'the wife of their youth' as was the EDEN model. Any Child of God who is considering taking a second wife should CONSULT THE HOLY SPIRIT! He is the one who convicts of sin and would be able to guide you in the truth! I will say no more, romeo! He who hath ears . . . . . . . . 1 Like |
| Politics › Re: Lawmakers Design Scheme To Hide Jumbo Pay ! by seyibrown(f): 3:14pm On Sep 06, 2010 |
DisHONOURABLE members! If what you are doing is right, there will be no need to hide it! If it's dodgy/corrupt, you'll be hiding it! |
| Family › Re: Is Polygamy A Sin Among Christians Even For Pastors by seyibrown(f): 2:30pm On Sep 06, 2010 |
Romeo4real @Seyibrown –[b]The bible does not say 'thou shalt not smash in your neighbour's car window for the fun of it' or 'Thou shalt not sniff a large amount of cocaine with every day' either. I did address the issue of how you should treat your wife using the malachi scripture - 'THOU SHALT NOT DEAL TREACHEROUSLY WITH THE WIFE OF YOUR YOUTH'. You are right in saying that 'it is down to the person because Jesus said 'NOT ALL MEN CAN ACCEPT THIS SAYING'. Not all men can accept the instruction of God! Sons of God will acept the instruction of God! Many men who refuse to accept that they are not supposed to 'join themselves to another (have intimacy with new wife, harlot or girlfriend)' other than the 'wife of their youth' prefer to water down the law to you 'you can 'make adultery holy by marrying the new woman'. I see where you are coming from Rome4real, It is you who cannot accept/make sense of the 'original plan' of 'Adam and Eve' and that 'having intimacy with any other woman' other than the wife of your youth is 'seperating what God has joined together'! You are not alone in the opinion you hold; Jesus said 'NOT ALL MEN CAN ACCEPT THE COMMANDMENT'. A 'hard heart' is unable to accept/or see the logic in how 'joining your self to another' equals 'having intimacy with another' and equals 'seperating yourself from the person you were originally joined with'. It's not rocket science! It is just unacceptable for the 'hard heart' who cannot resist the call of the 'booty' available outside his 'covenant with the wife of his youth'. One thing you need to consider is whether the fact that not all men can accept that commandment makes God lower his standard! No, it doesn't! The matter is not complicated at all: Many men try to justify adultery by making an 'unholy' marriage out of it! Garnishing 'adultery' with legality (a wedding ceremony) does not make it acceptable to God! For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. All men have sinned, and that is why man should not be our standard. 'Watered-down' laws and 'dressed-up' sin should not be our standard. The grace available through Christ does not lower the standard of God, the grace empowers us to live up to that standard. The grace has empowered many men to 'stick to the wife of their youth'. I bless God for faithful men who are living up to that standard through grace. So Abraham, Isaac, prophets, and MOGs are not our standard. God is![/b] |
| Christianity Etc › This 'Brother' Will Double Cross You! by seyibrown(op): 3:26am On Sep 06, 2010 |
This 'brother' will double cross you! Genesis 25: 29-34 29 One day when Jacob was cooking some stew, Esau arrived home from the wilderness exhausted and hungry. 30 Esau said to Jacob, “I’m starved! Give me some of that red stew!” (This is how Esau got his other name, Edom, which means “red.”) 31 “All right,” Jacob replied, “but trade me your rights as the firstborn son.” 32 “Look, I’m dying of starvation!” said Esau. “What good is my birthright to me now?” 33 But Jacob said, “First you must swear that your birthright is mine.” So Esau swore an oath, thereby selling all his rights as the firstborn to his brother, Jacob. 34 Then Jacob gave Esau some bread and lentil stew. Esau ate the meal, then got up and left. He showed contempt for his rights as the firstborn. Is there any sin in your life that you are continually yielding to? Don’t give your ‘birthright’ away. Stop throwing your pearls to swine for them to trample on! Holding yourself back from sin will not kill you! Killing that sinful desire will not kill you! Genesis 27:34-40 (New Living Translation) 34 When Esau heard his father’s words, he let out a loud and bitter cry. “Oh my father, what about me? Bless me, too!” he begged. 35 But Isaac said, “Your brother was here, and he tricked me. He has taken away your blessing.” 36 Esau exclaimed, “No wonder his name is Jacob, for now he has cheated me twice.[a] First he took my rights as the firstborn, and now he has stolen my blessing. Oh, haven’t you saved even one blessing for me?” 37 Isaac said to Esau, “I have made Jacob your master and have declared that all his brothers will be his servants. I have guaranteed him an abundance of grain and wine—what is left for me to give you, my son?” 38 Esau pleaded, “But do you have only one blessing? Oh my father, bless me, too!” Then Esau broke down and wept. 39 Finally, his father, Isaac, said to him, “You will live away from the richness of the earth, and away from the dew of the heaven above. 40 You will live by your sword, and you will serve your brother. But when you decide to break free, you will shake his yoke from your neck.” When you hold on to sin so tightly that it becomes your brother, it will double cross you in the end! It will request you settle your account when you haven’t got a dime! It will bite you on the bum! It will enslave you! Get rid of that sin now so that it does not take away what rightfully belongs to you! Make righteousness your brother; blessing is his twin! Reject sin; his twin is curse! Romans 6:16 16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? When you yield yourself to sin, it will become your master. It will rule over your life, dictate your life and determine what becomes of your life. Sin will only steal whatever good is in store for you, and kill and destroy you (Romans 6:16; Romans 6:23, Romans 6:12; John 10:10). We are urged not to yield to sin but rather yield to God. When we yield to God, he takes control of our lives. Why not yield to the one who says that his plans for us are plans of good, plans to prosper us, not of evil, to give us a hope and a future(Jeremiah 29:11). When you DECIDE to break free from SIN, the yoke of sin will be taken off you. The yoke is destroyed because of the anointing. It is destroyed because the Holy Spirit is there to help you (Gen 27:40; Isaiah 10:27). Romans 6:14 14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. [b]You were once a servant of sin but now a servant of righteousness (Romans 6:17-22).You have accepted Christ, have been redeemed and now live under grace. You have been freed from sin. Yield to the Holy Spirit to bring forth fruit unto holiness. Do not shackle yourself by returning to sin. Do not yield to the flesh; yield to the Holy Spirit. Walk according to the Spirit, not the flesh, so that you will not be fulfilling the lusts of the flesh. The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has freed you from the law of sin and death, therefore, you CAN live a God-pleasing life by allowing yourself to be led by the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:12-14). Creation is waiting for you to reveal the nature of Christ that is in you. The creation is waiting for you to turn from your sinful ways and do good. When will you start Loving your neighbour like you should? When will you start making things right? When will you stop contributing to the decay of society? Creation is waiting for you! Creation is waiting for the manifestation of godliness in you (Romans 8:19-23)! Excluded by the ‘boys’ because you have changed you no longer ‘womanize’ ,do drugs or ‘yahoo yahoo’? The girls excluded you because you no longer go partying and commit sexual immorality? Rejected by your occult group because you will no longer partake in those ungodly rituals? Hold on to God whose covenant with us through Christ is above any other. The sufferings of refraining from ungodliness in this world cannot be compared to the reward we will get in this world and in heaven (Romans 8:18). Have you achieved victory over sin in one area of your life? Be strong, you can do more. You have been faithful in one thing, you can do more through Christ (Matthew 25:21), Ask God to help you mortify the deeds of the flesh. You can do all things through Christ that strengthens you (Phillipians 4:13). He empowers you to work righteousness. [/b] Nehemiah 8 (Amplified Bible) 1THEN ALL the people gathered together as one man in the broad place before the Water Gate; and they asked Ezra the scribe to bring the Book of the Law of Moses, which the Lord had given to Israel. 2And Ezra the priest brought the Law before the assembly of both men and women and all who could hear with understanding, on the first of the seventh month. 3He read from it, facing the broad place before the Water Gate, from early morning until noon, in the presence of the men and women and those who could understand; and all the people were attentive to the Book of the Law. 4Ezra the scribe stood on a wooden pulpit which they had made for the purpose. And beside him stood Mattithiah, Shema, Anaiah, Uriah, Hilkiah, and Maaseiah on his right hand; and on his left hand, Pedaiah, Mishael, Malchijah, Hashum, Hashbaddana, Zechariah, and Meshullam. 5Ezra opened the book in sight of all the people, for he was standing above them; and when he opened it, all the people stood up. 6And Ezra blessed the Lord, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, lifting up their hands; and they bowed their heads and worshiped the Lord with faces to the ground. 7Also Jeshua, Bani, Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodiah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan, Pelaiah--the Levites--helped the people to understand the Law, and the people [remained] in their place. 8So they read from the Book of the Law of God distinctly, faithfully amplifying and giving the sense so that [the people] understood the reading. 9And Nehemiah, who was the governor, and Ezra the priest and scribe, and the Levites who taught the people said to all of them, This day is holy to the Lord your God; mourn not nor weep. For all the people wept when they heard the words of the Law. 10Then [Ezra] told them, Go your way, eat the fat, drink the sweet drink, and send portions to him for whom nothing is prepared; for this day is holy to our Lord. And be not grieved and depressed, for the joy of the Lord is your strength and stronghold. Today is the day you need to come back to your first love. Take back that ‘birthright’ from sin now! Take dominion over that sin today! You were bought with a great price. You were redeemed by the blood of the Lamb. Re-dedicate your life to God. Let him help you to walk pleasing in his sight. His joy will be your strength. It will give you dominion over the any sin in your life. Ask God to help you get rid of the filth in your life; let the Holy Spirit help you. Stop doing anything that you clearly know is sin (Hebrews 12:1)! Break that tie that you have with sin! Let nothing, nothing at all, separate you from the love of Christ bearing in mind that we are more than Conquerors through Christ (Romans 8:35-39). No matter the difficulties you may be facing, rejoice in the Lord (Habakkuk 3:17-18) because God is with you (Romans 8:31). |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nigerian Police Needs Our Prayers by seyibrown(f): 12:03am On Sep 06, 2010 |
Quote from: seyibrown on August 30, 2010, 06:06 PM What exactly does this mean? Frankly, this is meaningless - all this is meant to do is bamboozle people.Zodiac61, Nobody can 'bamboozle' me when it comes to anything I am interested in. If you are feeling 'bamboozled' about how the spiritual affects the physical, then go and seek understanding of what is being used to 'bamboozle' you so that when it is brought up, you can say and proove that you have examined the matter. If it doesn't really matter to you, then hold your peace or say you have not understood how it works! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Daily Spiritual Warfare Confession by seyibrown(f): 11:31pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Permited Killing by seyibrown(f): 11:26pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Seyibrown Come And Defend Your Faith. by seyibrown(f): 11:12pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
[quote author=Rhino.3dm link=topic=500505.msg6699873#msg6699873 date=1283655249]Mama mia! I engaged you for the fact that i thought here comes a "truth sayer" knowing fully well how religious people lie to defend thier dogma. That respects can be clearly seen in my 'polite' responses through out this thread. i hate ignorance and deciet, while i thought religious people should be a custodians of thruth. . . . . So, please do justice to qeustion. . . Am not even half way satisfied. Btw how have you been?. . . Sono abbastanza bene.[/quote]Been fine. Hope you've been too! My answer to Q4 is simple,and was previously stated: I do not know of any discrepancies in the Bible that point out that Jesus is not 'God come down in the flesh'. My asking you to present any scriptures that show any discrepancies is to allow further light to be shed on the matter. If you have those scriptures, please refer me and I will examine them. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 (Amplified Bible) 21But test and prove all things [until you can recognize] what is good; [to that] hold fast. I am only seeking to examine any such scriptures. You can enlighten me on how you came to the conclusions you hold. If you show me the truth and I refuse to accept it, then I am solely to blame for not accepting the truth that you presented to me. I need to see those scriptures which you referred to; examine them; consult the Holy Spirit; and then let you know if I now agree with the new truth that you have opened my eyes to. |
| Family › Re: Is Polygamy A Sin Among Christians Even For Pastors by seyibrown(f): 5:07pm On Sep 05, 2010 |
Thank you, your views have been stimulating and thought-provoking! I had to seek more understanding! Please see below! Malachi 2:14-16 (Amplified Bible) 14Yet you ask, Why does He reject it? Because the Lord was witness [to the covenant made at your marriage] between you and the wife of your youth, against whom you have dealt treacherously and to whom you were faithless. Yet she is your companion and the wife of your covenant [made by your marriage vows]. 15And did not God make [you and your wife] one [flesh]? Did not One make you and preserve your spirit alive? And why [did God make you two] one? Because He sought a godly offspring [from your union]. Therefore take heed to yourselves, and let no one deal treacherously and be faithless to the wife of his youth. 16For the Lord, the God of Israel, says: I hate divorce and marital separation and him who covers his garment [his wife] with violence. Therefore keep a watch upon your spirit [that it may be controlled by My Spirit], that you deal not treacherously and faithlessly [with your marriage mate]. The instruction is clear: DO NOT DEAL TREACHEROUSLY AND FAITHLESSLY WITH YOUR MARRIAGE MATE BECAUSE GOD IS WITNESS TO THE COVENANT BETWEEN YOU AND THE WIFE OF YOUR YOUTH. Committing adultery against her is dealing treacherously with her. A Yoruba adage says: Orisa je n pe meji Obirin o si! No woman wants to share her husband with any other. Romeo4real, If that is so, how then do you explain the concept of the church (ALL Christians) being the bride of Christ? Since a husband can only be "one" with one bride?The Church as whole (all Christians as one) is the Bride of Christ, not ‘brides’ .Check your bible! Christ has one bride, not many! You seem to be confusing 2 issues together. No one is arguing with you about the motives of a man that decided to take another wife. That is not the issue here. The OP's question was regarding whether it is condemned in the Bible. The answer is that it is not.The OP asks in the topic whether polygamy is a sin : (Is Polygamy a sin among xtians even for pastors?) When you say no one is arguing about motives, are you agreeing that the motives for marrying a second wife are sinful? Impure thoughts/ treacherous motives will give rise to further sin if not gotten rid of! Giving a lady shelter from the rain with the intention of 'chancing' her is sin. You have done it in your heart, whether you carry out the plan or not! Is Polygamy is condemned in the Bible? Please read further to see how I form my opinion (and not with my own sole understanding). Well, let me enlighten you. You are conflating "love" and lust" on purpose. It is possible to love another woman without lusting after her, and vice versa.If you love your wife, you will not love another ‘woman’ as your wife! Matthew 7:12 (Amplified Bible) 12So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them, for this is (sums up) the Law and the Prophets. You will not want your Wife to have another Husband while you are married to her, so why do you want to marry another wife while you are still married to ‘the wife of your youth’? You will see it as adultery or betrayal if she does, so why is it different when the tables are turned. Therefore, marrying another wife, you are transgressing the commandment stated in Matthew 7: 12, as you are doing to your wife something you would not desire her to do to you. Likeme, Adultery is s3xual unfaithfullness to your wife/husby right? YesNothing, nothing at all is to make you break the ‘covenant witnessed by God between you and the ‘wife of your youth’. The same way nothing can separate ‘The Church from the love of Christ’. Not her inability to have give you as much sex as you want (Turn the tables. Would you let Baba Shaki service her when you are not giving her enough?); not barrenness, it is God that gives children (Turn the tables again); Not Long-term sickness (Turn the tables). It is for better, for worse ‘to the exclusion of any other (new wife, girlfriend or ‘paid services’). See below as regards ‘MOSAIC LAWS’. Matthew 19:3-11 (Amplified Bible) 3And Pharisees came to Him and put Him to the test by asking, Is it lawful and right to dismiss and repudiate and divorce one's wife for any and [a]every cause? 4He replied, Have you never read that He Who made them from the beginning made them male and female, 5And said, For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and shall be united firmly (joined inseparably) to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?(A) 6So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder (separate). 7They said to Him, Why then did Moses command [us] to give a certificate of divorce and thus to dismiss and repudiate a wife?(B) 8He said to them, Because of the hardness (stubbornness and perversity) of your hearts Moses permitted you to dismiss and repudiate and divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been [b]so [ordained]. 9I say to you: whoever dismisses (repudiates, divorces) his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another commits adultery, [c]and he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. 10The disciples said to Him, If the case of a man with his wife is like this, it is neither profitable nor advisable to marry. 11But He said to them, Not all men can accept this saying, but it is for those to whom [the capacity to receive] it has been given. [b] The emboldened part of the above scripture indicates that Moses gave them the Law of divorce because they were ‘unable to accept the instruction that God gave them concerning divorce’. Jesus said that he who made them in the beginning made them male and female; I will infer that it meant ‘not male and FEMALES’. The passage makes it clear that there was a ‘plan/instruction/intention which originated from God but man not being able to accept that instruction had to ‘adopt’ a watered-down solution! If we search, we will find more watered-down laws that Moses gave the people because they just could not accept the ones God originally gave. They did not have the Holy Spirit to help them keep the law. Most of the ones they kept, they kept to the ‘letter’, not to the ‘spirit/ intent’ of the law. The original plan as seen in EDEN was that of ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN not ONE MAN AND FOUR WOMEN! Further down in the passage, WHY DO YOU THINK THE DISCIPLES CONCLUDED (LAMENTED) THAT IT WAS BETTER NOT TO MARRY? It was difficult for the men to stick with ONE WOMAN, the ‘WIFE OF THEIR YOUTH’. It still is! Jesus responded that not all men could accept what he told them. Permit me to infer that NOT ALL MEN WILL ACCEPT THE INSTRUCTION OF GOD TO ‘STAY FAITHFUL TO THE WIFE OF THEIR YOUTH’. That is actually the true situation! Accepting the commandment that a man should not join himself to any other than 'his wife' is what many men have been unable do! Many have always looked at the 'booty' around and cannot accept that they are not supposed to 'do' anyone else apart from 'the only one EVE' that was created out of their ribs ('the wife of their youth'). If after becoming one with the ‘wife of your youth’ you go on to join yourself to another by marriage or affair, you are separating what God has joined together! I can from the above scriptures and others, conclude that marrying any other while you have not been separated by death from the ‘wife of your youth’ is sinful! Mortify the deeds of the flesh ( e.g. lust, sexual incontinence, non-contentment) through the power of the Holy Spirit! [/b] 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Wicked Husbandmen by seyibrown(f): 5:23pm On Sep 04, 2010 |
justcool:After accepting salvation, True Christians mortify the deeds of the flesh through the help of the Holy Spirit! They do not continue to live in sin! Christians who yield to the Holy spirit, bear the fruits of the spirit: Galatians 5:22-23 (King James Version) 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Revelation! Revelation! Revelation! by seyibrown(f): 5:01pm On Sep 04, 2010 |
richbigman:Kenneth, perhaps, you'd like to explain further! |
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