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OlujobaSamuel:
That's where they got it wrong, the tribunal is only meant for voting issues, every other issues (cert, drugs, nominations, etc) might be accepted or dismissed, so you can't bank on it.
Either the time is sufficient or not is immaterial, just present relevant witneses. About 10 of the 13 witnesses were disqualified because they have no capacity to speak on what they are saying. Imagine 10witness saying the result given to me at PU is Z while what was declared is Y, That's how the court has always want to see allegations of manipulation.

while it is important to stick to the main point in cases like this you can't tell which is going to stick because they all had merit even the 25 percent FCT, the opposition also filed a case too concerning obi's LP membership which the court ruled on also, so you can't tell which is gonna stick. That's why they had to spread the cases with the certificate, dual citizenship stuff, Nigeria can do better by making it's law's less ambiguous. In the election tribunals for both state and federal level varying judgement has been issued that contradicts one another. I still believe the judges were not completely open and bias in some of the rulings.

OlujobaSamuel:
Smiles. I will speak on your analogy.
You present a cctv footage of the event, that is a first hand evidence, what will made the court request for a DNA is the accused claiming he is not the one in the footage.
Your agent is the first hand witness, they are the reason you are filing the petition ab initio (the only reason why you can claim you win or lose any election without considering the declared results is because of the information you got from your people on field), if you can't bring your people armed with evidence, how do you want anyone to trust a 3rd party to be speaking the truth?
See it this way, you had a biz transaction with me, both of us having witnesses, we all have a duplicate copy of the transaction, then I claim that there is a breach from you, in presenting evidence, I refused to bring my witness or tender my own copy of the transaction, I then insisted that you should go bring your own copy and your witness, if you are a judge, what would be your verdict?

I think my analogy still represents the true events, as per your analogy if I refuse to bring my witness provided I have other legal evidence that justifies my claim I don't see any problem with that, as regards why lp didn't provide agents at the tribunal remember LP was challenging the results for the entire state, when each state has over a thousand polling unit, wouldn't it have been too cumbersome if LP had brought thousands of polling unit agent into the court room? Would the tribunal have given each polling unit agent time to present their case? Remember that during the trial a time slot was allocated to each party, now if they where to plead their case polling unit by unit, you know they would run out of time and they also have other cases too like the certificate issues, double nomination to prove.

garfield1:
Primary results are on inec manual forms not on irev.what is on irev is secondary.obi should have proven his case with manual forms not online forms

but he did with the certified true copies he requested from inec, Abi my info is wrong?

Osas- it's a prefix though anything can come after this.

Shantyken:
My guy the only way for tinubu to prove he got 8m+ could have been if Peter obi show judiciary that from the result sheet his agent sign he scored 2m but wat inec announced was 1m u understand. With that the judiciary will now compel inec to explain to Nigerians why LP polling unit agents sheet scores and that of police that shows obi scored 2m is different from their own(inec).

but he did maybe not up to the 2m plus, I know he should irregularities is some especially that of Rivers which happens to be the most popular.

OlujobaSamuel:
It wasn't a response specific for Rivers, it was a response for the petition itself.
A summary of it; she said the petitioner(referring to LP) claimed to have 138k+ agents at different PU and collation level with the agents having copy of the result given at the various level, and they also have the privilege of moving with the PO or collation officers from one level to the other, but they could not present a copy of any of the result given to any of those 138k+ agents neither do they presented any of such agent as a witness, that irrespective of the fact that Inec didn't give some necessary documents as alleged, the agents are in position to tender the copy given to them.
So of all the witness called by LP, no agent was called.

this is were the tribunal is wrong and why we say it is bias, it is not the duty of the tribunal to decide which evidence labour party should tender in court, provided whatever evidence they tender is legal and justify their case. It's just like a rape crime scene, imagine me taking a rapist to court that a rape occur and I present a CCTV footage of the event, and the judge dismissing my claims saying I should have presented a DNA as evidence,. Does this makes sense, when a CCTV footage can also serve as evidence, this is why I believe they were bias.

garfield1:
If you have limited knowledge of the law,keep silent then.in law,the burden to proof rest on the petitioner not the respondents.the respondent can only prove if the petitioner proves his case.the law also recognizes that there would be rigging and that the election won't be perfect but the rigging must be massive to the extent that it affects the final tally

does the law also regonizes inec not to be able to do simple arithmetic, because by my account, inec clearly gave tinubu the victory in Rivers state on collation day, but when the true copies of votes presented by inec it clearly showed obi won, when obi's team and the BBC and other independent observers also did the collation it clearly showed obi also won, I guess this was not evidence enough against inec, and tinubu.

OlujobaSamuel:
Take a time to watch the response of that female judge, you will get why the Rivers case couldn't have been looked into.
If you present your sch certificate in court, the court won't honor it, your sch must present a CTC to affirm that you are the owner of such certificate, or you request for a subpoena from the court to your sch to come present the cert. Also note that you can't request for a subpoena to a staff of your sch, you have to request it to the sch, it's the school that will send someone to represent it

maybe I'll try and see the clip of the rivers case.

OlujobaSamuel:
In election petition, burden of proof is on petitioner, and it is beyond reasonable doubt, not a test of probability.
The petitioner is the one alleging irregularity, what he needs to do is to present the irregularity in specifics, inec nor the declared winner won't help him do that.
Eg, PU 3, ward 5, MIT LGA, Got state, the result as announced at the PU and signed by agents with a copy given to our agent TP 40, GP 35, BP 80, in the announced result, Inec declared TP 75, GP 40, BP 40.
that is a proof of irregularity, Inec will need to explain the difference if that result presented by the petitioner is truly gotten from the PU.
The scenario above is different from saying Inec changed all or most of our results, the declared results isn't correct. The question would be, is it possible for Inec to change result from more than a thousand PU.
If you go through the petitions, you will noticed that no where was any figure stated as deduction or addition to any of the parties by the petitioner, court won't manufacture figures for you, you present it and they consider the argument you have in advocating for the figures.
Another option is PU cancelling, you have to show that a cancelled PU possible votes is more than the margin of victory, that way, a rerun would be ordered in such PU or ward or area as the case may be.
SC has mentioned it times without number, but lawyers are still going to tribunal to present case without due diligence

I get your point but I still think the judges were biased though, like in the rivers case for example it was more than just a polling unit it was the summation of the entire state today which today it was proven obi won, it that case I don't think obi's lawyers needed to break it down to the polling units because it wasn't even the polling unit that were contested it was the state and the evidence were even justified by the certified true copies issued by inec, which is a legal evidence in court, I still repeat obi may not have proven he won but he definitely was able to prove irregularities, which the tribunal never even addressed, another of its bias I noticed was when they refused to accept EU's report because it want presented by an EU official, by their logic if I should precent my school certificate in court it would can be declared ineligible because it wasnt presented personally by the vice chancellor of my institution, how does this even makes sense.

garfield1:
According to the law,tinubu doesn't need to show how he won.obi need to show that he won or prove massive rigging.he only brought rivers and benue irev copies which aren't enough

I doubt your claim of the law Sha, but by my limited knowledge tinubu needed to defend his victory and vote wish he failed to do, inec also needed to defend their process,authenticity and integrity they failed also, secondly you claim obi needed to prove massive rigging, for the fact there was rigging at all I expect inec to have been put under immense trial also but rather the tribunal judges were sounding like an inec and apc defense team, I know what I am talking about.

OlujobaSamuel:
Oga lawyer, all facts are true, what you are holding on to is belief, not fact. For a statement to be fact, it must be true, so if you can't establish for statement to be true, then it's just a belief.
The only way you can say Obi won the election is by giving figures of where you noticed manipulations, you can't just go about shouting that your client won, you are learned not unlearned, act like one.

I like how you emphasized on facts, obi might not have proven, he won, neither did tinubu prove he got 8m votes, obi won rivers base on facts even from inec right now, how then was he still declared winner when he couldn't defend all his votes especially the one from rivers, when you analyze the fact objectively, if I were the judge, yes I wouldn't declare obi winner if he can't prove how he won, but neither will I acknowledge tinubu's victory because he also couldn't prove how he won and got 8m votes neither did inec prove how he got 8m votes, taking into consideration inec declared him winner in rivers initially, but further evidence proved inec manipulation for him as he didn't win Rivers among other states which evidence were presented. That's how you give justice, for me obi was not able to prove how he got more votes than tinubu but he was able to prove manipulation, tinubu was also not able to defend how he got 8m votes neither was inec able to defend the integrity and accuracy of the votes. So why then did the tribunal give it to tinubu? This is my issue with the verdict if you are unbiased you would see reasons too

Shantyken:
Sir
Pls take ur time, exclude emotions and sentiment and analyze the last election from every geopolitical zones and conclude if obi truly won the election.

Point of REFERENCE as regard to NE, NW, SW, NC.

I don't hate obi because he hasn't offend me in anyway but truth be told he didn't win the ELECTION.

I am not saying he won,he needs to prove he won,that's a fact, what I am saying is tinubu also wasn't able to defend how he won, or how he got 8m votes neither did inec, defend how tinubu won the election but yet a tribunal that claims to be unbiased declared him the winner, I made a reference to Rivers state also which inec claim tinubu won, but in reality Obi won Rivers state with verifiable evidence, why would an unbiased judiciary overlook this clear case of manipulation. My argument is not for obi to be declared winner, but about how tinubu came to be declared winner while overlooking all these errors by the judiciary.

Shantyken:
So because of tomorrow the person that won should be denied his victory. Stop being emotional my brother, the truth remains obi was unable to bring the facts that he won the election.

obi may or may not have been able to prove he won the election but he was able to prove that the election was rigged, rivers and others were case study, with verifiable evidence, independent observers, EU even the BBC, obi needed to prove he won, tinubu also needed to prove his vote, which he didn't, inec also needed to defend the numbers which they didn't, how he got 8million votes considering the fact that part of those vote given to him was later adjudged to be won by obi, rivers state in particular, yet the tribunal ruled in their favour, for the fact you don't like obi, shouldn't make you emotional or blind to the truth.

Beverlyjean:
Tinubu will not rule forever... yoruba will still step aside just like hausa did with buhari... who laughs last , laughs best .... when we enter.... we will pay back every coin we have received.... its just a matter of time

I swear, let's keep the ball rolling, in all if Jonathan had played this game apc and tinubu is playing nowI am sure they would have been fighting the battle we fight now, like it or not the table will turn.

GetSenseNow:
Do you realise that Tinubu has been working towards this his presidency since after Jonathan's tenure? Sponsoring Buhari's presidency to make the way easier for himself?

Do you realise that Atiku has been contesting for more than 4 times?

Do you realise that, just within months of joining LP, Obi had made the party the most talked-about party in Nigeria, to the extent of scoring almost 7M votes?

Do you realise that if not for rigging, Tinubu would've scored not more than 6M votes? Remove the fraud of rivers state ( which even the most ardent supporter of Tinubu knows Wike rigged massively) and tell me how many votes is left.


You guys are celebrating a "victory" but you've actually shown that your "political maestro" can't win anything without rigging, bribery and manipulations. In a contest of political juggernauts, a relatively new face came and swept the polls.

This is the reason agbadoists will always masturbate on every Obi or LP thread. They will shout and they will abuse but deep within them they know.....Obi strong pass their papa

true words obi is the Man

chief2006:
He is right. It was easy then for us to blame Buhari for what his supporters did and we blame Tinubu for what Oluomo did. So why should Obi be an exemption?

the difference is obi has always criticized the political bullying before and after elections when adefarasin, femi kuti, Soyinka were criticized he apologized personally to them, you tell me when and where tinubu or has apologized to anyone being bullied by his supporters, we all know his supporters are the most toxic and violent a woman was stabbed in the eye in Lagos for being obidient. Btw obi's supporters are largely independent supporters who he has little authority over, yet the man still takes part of the responsibility for their actions, can't compare with mc oluomo who has direct access to the presidency and a loyal servant, yet tinubu didn't even caution him or his boys. You can't compare both honestly.

Eniitankorede:
Stop attacking the man. Address his observation and tell us if valid.

what are his observation? That was a reckless statement from the judge, did apc contest the results from the south east states the judge was citing? Did they provide any evidence of voter manipulation? So why would an independent judge make such reference.

assholemods:
Make you dey there dey quote rubbish! Electoral fraud that your Obi and his incompetent lawyers cannot prove.

just being curious, how was he unable to prove electoral fraud, maybe the prove he provided did not make up for the deficit, but saying he failed to prove electoral fraud, is the biggest lie ever told, even the BBC did an investigation and it was revealed obi won rivers state yet inec declared tinubu the winner in rivers, it is funny the tribunal never spoke on this issues, the most shameful part was when they dismissed the EU report on the ground that it wasn't presented by an EU official, by the logic of the tribunal, if I present my certificate in court, it would be ineligible because it was not presented by the vice chancellor of my institution. How shameless can it be, this is how Nigeria will remain today you support illegality, those who oppose are called wailers, tomorrow you will be on the other end, it's obvious we have no collective principle or moral standard as a nation.

Apc folks thinking that obi supporters are personally affected or pained selfishly by this verdict are the biggest fools in the world, for me as an ardent obi supporter, I supported him for the sake of Nigeria, the only time I am pained is when I see the reckless looting and embezzlement of our collective wealth by our leaders and their friends and family, when I am being mocked the these apc's e-rats it doesn't even affect me because I know they aren't even eating from the table where the national wealth is being embezzled, they all look so stupid in that moment.

Shame

Shame on the tribunal.
They claim obi could not prove he won, with all the evidence of vote manipulation, even in rivers state where it was so evident, bur neither could tinubu prove he won with the cases of manipulation, even the BBC investigation also confirmed obi won in rivers, which were evidence provided by obi, how then did they come up with the stupidity that he couldn't prove anything.
They also claim EU report cannot be tendered because it was not presented by an EU official so by the logic of judges my school certificate cannot be admitted in court because they were not tendered by the vice chancellor personally in the court.

adioolayi:
If Peter Obi no collect every kobo he gave these his legal team...he is not fit to run again.


These guys were busy leading him on...did many press conference after each proceeding...only to file all these nonsense as evidence


Peter Obi suppose whip them charging cable for neck

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make una rest the tribunal is obviously bias imagine you dismissing a report which was published and authenticated by EU just because it was not presented by an EU official, so by the tribunals logic if I am asked to present my school certificate or my medical record in the court of law it would not be admitted because it was not presented by my doctor or the Vice chancellor, how does this make sense?

Olachase:
Pls pls and pls
After this Tribunal judgement try and check on every Obidenz candidate they are going through alot today

of course we are going through a lot that is the price you pay for being enlightened and educated, and never settling for less, other folks who are ignorant and have no future ambitions can never understand what has been stolen from them. If tinubu performs or not everyone pays for it.

Laggafin:
It is finally finished.. Nigeria has been sold to dogs

I swear

ObidenceNeckpre:
oponu, bring the video

independent observers including the BBC who did an investigation to prove obi won rivers yet inec declared tinubu.

Christistruth03:
Let us explain things to you gently may be you will Understand better

Ok

same way you voted for Peter Obi is the same way others voted for Tinubu and Atiku

Peter Obi failed to get 25 % in any Sharia Muslim States so that alone is already 12 States lost
plus the 5 SW States where he failed to get 25 % that is already 17 States lost where he didn't get the mandatory 25% National Spread.
We haven't yet added Kogi ,Kwara and others o !
Peter Obi lost!!

Even if you want to very stubbornly argue that the 5 SW States results were rigged and exclude them
( But in that case the APC will also argue for the SE results to be excluded too for the very same reason)

Then include only the 12 Sharia Muslim States where Peter Obi failed to get 25% and add Kwara and Kogi State too
That is already a total of 14 States,
Peter Obi could not afford to have 25% in less than 24 states without loosing

Peter Obi still lost the Elections!!!!!


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your logic isnt very sound, as it relates to fairness, if I were the judge obi needs to prove he won no doubt about that, but I wouldn't uphold tinubu's victory there were evidence of manipulations everywhere, in rivers for example inec clearly gave it to tinubu, when the result were recalculated it clearly showed obi won, with such massive compromise which neither inec nor apc were able to give a justifiable reason how can you authenticate such process, elections are all about integrity.

Damn naija judiciary Sha, but what does the court have to say about the manipulation of results sheets.

dele1727:
Okay...

Please what should we compare?

How should we compare it?

firstly medical fees in Nigeria isn't 25k as you stated, in addition you claim medical tuition fees in the UK is about 9k pounds or thereabout, but what you fail to understand is that with my minimum wage and various loans applicable most citizens can afford to pay for tuitions, in Nigeria I doubt if any can afford education with Minimum wage, and then what is the job prospect after graduation compare for both countries, lot of Nigerians who migrated to this countries on study visa are paying their tuitions fees by themselves while working and studying over there, are many Nigerians can afford such in Nigeria, you can't even compare the standard of education you get over there with what you have here.

FreeStuffsNG:
You fell , not Nigeria. You fell because you are not using your talent in a productive, profitable and patriotic manner. Your thoughts towards the land is negative so its rejecting you and what you sow in the land. In same Birmingham, that same yesterday was the day of their own breakthrough while those with negative mindset will sink deeper in despair and failure like you are feeling right now.
It's your negative mindset and productivity you need to change

guess you are the new MANNABBQ whatever, with your fake act of patriotism, I have seen your kind, your loyalty is never to Nigeria, but to the corrupt govt of the day, if the Agbado master wasn't the president your kind will automatically turn jihadist.

dele1727:



I think many of us don't understand a thing or just choose to be plain stupid.....

The Uk has what it calls the waiting list....7.6millon people in the England are waiting to see the doctor....
In Wales 70,000 people are waiting to see the doctor for the past 18 Months...

The other day...doctors talk about Gambia paying $4000 to doctors....but they won't tell you that the cost of studying medicine in the Gambia is $4800 per year....

What is the cost of studying medicine in the UK? £9,000 pounds per year... people will go to ife or Lag or last for #25,000 per year and be asking to be paid the same with those that go to school with $4,800 and £9,000

What is the cost of housing? Or electricity or health insurance? Or transportation?
The only thing cheap in the uk is food and that is rising as well...
And when we talk of Minimum wage... what is the difference between the politicians and the Civil servants ? What most of them take home is far greater than their salary

Their system is no longer working...they now need new breds of Slaves....

You may curse APC and PDP or APGA....

But never curse Nigeria....when you compare countries do it holistically

your comparison is wrong

Greatkenny2:
Shaking hands with the same entourage he travelled with? naija lol

I always find this shit real funny🤣😂😂, buhari own even worse when he dey comot from Abuja these grown men go just line up dey wave am bye-bye , when he land in the foreign country these same grown will just line up like almajiri receiving handshake one by one.

DMerciful:
Even if you support Sanwo-Olu, doesn't mean you cannot asked questions. A leader is not perfect, he may have his reasons but if the people asked questions, it helps him to run his govt prudently.

That is how you guys supported Bubu blindly until he ran the country aground and now Tinubu boys are saying he handed over a dead economy. But when he was killing the economy, you guys were cheering him on blindly

you can't even comprehend how grown men could be that insensitive, everything for them is just attack and defend, zero sense of reasoning.