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When we tell them that Unilorin is far better than all these yeye school the students from such school would not allow us hear word.

That's one of those things i respect Unilorin for. Very very clean Public toilets and very descent hostels.

I can assure go to walk way and any toilet in any of the hostels in Unilorin and you would be marveled at how neat they are. Universities that can't think out of the box and outsource the cleaning of the environment and toilets on their campuses aren't fit to be regarded as schools in the 21st century. How much would it cost to charge each atudent 500 naira per session and outsource this?

Nice to hear that about Unilorin, if true. In the not too distant past you simply don't mention Unilorin when people are talking about UI, Unilag, OAU, UNN and ABU. It underlines what could be achieved when people in authority are firmly focused on what they are being paid to do.
Bottomline is that almost all our universities are substandard in terms of infrastructure etc and we tend to glorify mediocrity a lot probably due to lack of exposure to what obtains in other countries or just to feel good about our choices or where we found ourselves.
It's encouraging to see schools like UI and Unilorin appear to be moving in the right direction. OAU is another sleeping giant but will surely get it right again. Unilag was on the right path during the late Prof Omotola's tenure with lots of development and even a student work-study program that was the first in Nigeria but the 'Nigerian Factor' kicked in. Our universities can definitely do a lot better than they are doing. The Unilag New Hall toilets situation is simply shameful and unacceptable.

jamiuazeez:
Thanks God for the efforts of media in our life.we wont av seen ow bad everytin in this university.

Certainly one of the benefits of social media age. The situation has been like this for a long time. Watch them fix this real fast as a result of the 'online' embarrassment and start flaunting renovation of toilets as an achievement.
Let those paid to provide and maintain services account for what they are being paid to do. It is as simple as that.

AsanwaKC:
new hall toilet...worst hostel in UNILAG

Absolutely correct and it's on the school authority. The entire New Hall was meant to be a temporary structure but they somehow made it permanent probably to save & embezzle money.
*Someone suggested that the students should trek from New Hall to maybe the Lagoon or somewhere in Akoka, Abule Oja, Bariga etc to fetch water

dicefrost:
Sorry bro, that's no excuse. I know a nursing school that has a large hostel with few bathrooms, it is never dirty. They fetch water from miles away to bath and flush. This one is on the students bro

Now I understand you, I doubt if you are familiar with Lagos as a city not to talk of Unilag, Yabatech etc

dicefrost:
So the government is suppose to clean the toilets for them? The students are dirty people, if they can allow their toilet become soiled to that extent. Do the landlords in private hostels hire workers to clean the students toilets? One the issue of light and water, I'm in support of the students but this toilet matter, the students should bear the responsibility.

Have you ever lived in a campus hostel? Factors to consider:

- Population (Private hostel not as populated as campus hostels)
- Control (Even non-students can easily walk into any of the hostels to take a dump, the logistics involved in controlling this kind of situation is mostly not practical - that is not likely to happen in a private hostel)
- Alternative Sources of Utilities (Private hostels may have alternative water supply options, campus hostels are limited to what the school provides)

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bloodyBLOGGER:
I remember my days in LAUTECH, the school was/is a non-residential one. Student had to rent rooms in areas close to the campus. Areas like adenike, under G, yoaco, stadium, general etc became developed as individuals built nice student hostels in those areas. Majority of the buildings were self-con rooms costing as much as 120k and as low as 65k. All of that inspired yahooism and oloshoism in the school.

Well, at least the students didn't have to go through what the so-called mighty unilag students go through in terms of toilet, water and power.

Cc lalasticlala

... LAUTECH graduate... and what made you think Unilag students don't have off-campus options and besides, what made you think that the hostel in question here is the only hostel in Unilag?

If I hear 'Great Nigerian Students' again!
Can you imagine this kind of rubbish! ...and in Unilag of all places! Where are today's Gbenga Olawepo, Gbenga Ojo, OJ Mayegun 'Red Drum', Sylvester Odion, Mary Cole, Sowore Omoyele, Baba Ayelabola, Nwachukwu, Kuti Ezebiro etc (Unilag), Tony and Tony (LASU), Adeola Soetan, Tony Fash, Obesere, Sandra Factor etc (OAU), Opeyemi Bamidele, Ogaga Ifowodo (Uniben) and several others from UI, ABU, UNN, UJ etc who dared the most ruthless military dictatorship as Nigerian students??
They closed gate and they start jumping fence and some are crossing the canal when the VC should be begging for understanding while enjoying a wheel barrow ride to the freedom square! Nonsense

Threads like this raises the fear that those making claims that a high population of Nigerians have mental health issues but are not aware of it may be on to something - our culture dismissively assumes that it's only the totally mad that have mental illness. The blame goes to the society at large - a situation where a typical kid navigates through oppression, poverty, stress, abuse etc to survive may not leave visible marks but the psychological wounds are there and largely untreated. The manifestation is what you see on threads like this.
Well, let's keep smiling and trivializing everything the new Nigerian way.

Back to the issue:

The head girl needs help... urgently!
The abused girl needs help... urgently!
The principal and his crew need help, re-training and re-orientation and above all... they need to face the law for interpretation of their act as adults, trainers, leaders.

University courses are not meant to be a walk in the park. They are supposed to develop your intellect to become problem-solvers by going through the background of the field of study, the theories, laws and best practices, then design case studies and scenarios to deploy your knowledge towards addressing specific issues.

The problem is that most so-called lecturers/professors grossly misunderstood their esteemed role in the learning process. This has led many of us to believe that the more difficult learning is in a school the higher the value of the degree from that school. Universities are supposed to produce thinkers not textbook and past questions cramming robots. Most of our big established universities have fooled Nigerians for too long and we the products have encouraged the mediocrity of most Nigerian lecturers.

Learning is not strictly about grades - learning is what it is - learning! It should be relaxed, it should be interactive, it should be fun. Nigerian students and parents should start asking our universities tough questions about the quality of 'learning'.

Why should a Geology course that is so easy and enjoyable for an average student in Australia or USA be presented as Rocket Science to a student in Nigeria? Let's stop fueling this age-long mediocrity. Most of these courses are not difficult, it is just that those with the responsibility to impart knowledge need to re-evaluate their methods of delivery and also derive joy in the success of their students - not their tears!

EastanPower:
Maybe a curse to the Niger Delta but a blessing to the northerners...

Which Northerners? Maybe you mean the ruling class in Nigeria and they span the North, South, East and West. Don't be deceived by the manifestations of ignorance of how Nigeria works that we see around us everyday. Ethnicity/tribalism is just another potent tool in the hands of the ruling class against the ruled. Let them keep fighting as Yorubads, Biafrauds, Almajiris etc while the status quo remains while waiting patiently for Buhari to finish his clean up and leave the stage for a fresh era of looting.

Nowenuse:
Between the Ooni of Ife and the Alaafin of Oyo, who is actually superior in yoruba land??

It depends on the version of history that you believe. The Yoruba land of today is not the Yoruba land of 300 or 400 years ago. It is a new civilization. Let the Ooni uphold and promote what Ooni stands for and let the Alaafin do the same with the institution of the Alaafin.
This new development ushered in by Ooni Enitan should be cherished and promoted! Long live the Alaafin and the Ooni.

This is simply wonderful! Thank you Oba Alaafin Adeyemi! Thank you Oba Ooni Enitan!

Good ranking. I will take this ahead of any personal "my school is the best" natural instinct. However, without much research to back myself up I will still assume that the difference in quality between most Nigerian universities is very minimal. We are just natural noisemakers.

Almost all the advantages offered by Mathematics also apply to Mechanical Engineering and even more and this is not just about Nigerian environment. However, with luck, hardwork and connections both are very good options.

We should always note that how far you go is more about you - the paper qualification is more about positioning for opportunities. A good friend of mine in a very good statistics-related job with US government actually studied Mechanical Engineering in Nigeria. Some guys with Maths degrees are also doing well in diverse areas.

We can argue from morning till evening but perception is always a huge factor and with areas of studies like Engineering it is not without solid reasons based on facts over several years. If I have to make a choice between these options, I won't even flog the issue - I will opt for Mechanical Engineering any time t.

Culture and tradition. Reflections of the knowledge and understanding of a people at every point in time. Please free yourself from mental incarceration.
Rule of Thumb - If the practice of the requirements of any culture and tradition brings love, joy, peace and progress then embrace it if that is your wish, if not pls free yourself from the shackles of past generations. Culture and tradition evolves. Cows are gods in some culture, twins were evil in some others, in other cultures tribes other than theirs were evil and even in others human flesh was the most delicious suya ever.
Don't ever allow culture and tradition deny you your God-given liberty.

saintfederic:
to have a ss number you would have to be a citizen

Not true.

macof:
Isn't Ife being the cradle of yoruba civilization enough reason for the Ooni to be above the Alaafin?

Absolutely not.
Ponder on the following:
1.) The reference to Ile-Ife as the cradle of Yoruba civilization is not in reference to royal superiority. None of the Yoruba royalty stayed back in Ile-Ife.
2.) Ile-Ife existed before the Yorubas (Oduduwa and his descendants) migrated to the place and oral history claimed that they met people there. The Yorubas were said to be escaping the Jihadists that's why some version claimed that they were coming down from Mecca. It could have been anywhere around Sudan.
3.) We should stop mixing or confusing Ifa mythology with actual Yoruba history. The world did not start at Ife, even the Yorubas were not originally from Ife. All the Orunmila, Ela, Agboniregun stories establishing Ile-Ife as the source were from Ifa mythology.
4.) Neither Oduduwa nor his direct descendants were indigenes of Ile-Ife and were not born in Ile-Ife. They got to Ile-Ife as adults and Oduduwa decided to make Ife his home being too old to continue with any adventure.
5.) The direct descendants continued with their migration and founded their respective domains and kingdoms.
6.) Oranmiyan was the first to leave Ile-Ife with his team of warriors who were retracing their migration steps up north to fight some communities across River Niger who were hostile to them during the Southbound trip.
7.) They got to the bank of River Niger when the tide was too high to cross and had to retreat back. They were not only warriors they were also hunters and they moved down south where the settled at the beautiful plains of Oyo Ile. It naturally grew and expanded into the only empire in Yoruba history.
8.) On Sango, Oranmiyan married a Nupe woman, who gave birth to his son Sango, during the migration through what is known as Niger State today.
9.) Sango returned to live in Nupe land with his mother's people where he met and married Oya who became his queen during his reign at Old Oyo where he succeeded his brother, Ajaka.
10.) Back to Ile-Ife and Ooni. Ooni was the title of the elder that was appointed as the caretaker of the household as none of the direct descendants of Oduduwa opted to stay back in Ile-Ife, hence the alias of Arole Oduduwa that stuck till the last Ooni ascended the position in 1980.

Oba Sijuwade's legacy of manipulating Yoruba history is actually working and turning the history of traditional institution in Yorubaland into a joke. Around the period when the late Ooni died I stumbled on his website http://theooni.org/ and couldn't help but feel sad for Yoruba race. Never in the history of Yoruba has anyone addressed any Ooni as Iku Baba Yeye Alase Ekeji Orisa. Only the Alaafin is addressed that way. Even during the full glory of Oba Adesoji Aderemi the most you see was Arole Oduduwa, and that has always been the historical alias of the Ooni.

I particularly recall those bitter 'fights' between Obas Sijuwade and Adeyemi throughout the 80s until the creation of Osun State. It always end with Alaafin telling the Ooni that he is not a direct descendant of Oduduwa. That was always the final climax that Ooni never had any answer for.
Another episode was the installation of MKO Abiola as the Aare Ona Kakanfo of Yorubaland. Ooni Sijuwade not only openly challenged the authority of the Alaafin to appoint anyone as a 'global' Yoruba chief but ignorantly went to court where the legitimacy of the global Yoruba institution of Aare Ona Kakanfo and the authority of the Alaafin was upheld. It was a definitive judgment that could not even be challenged with an appeal at any level.

After that episode in 1988 and several embarrassing encounters with the Alaafin on the history of Yoruba traditional institution which placed Ooni as a spiritual father and the 'caretaker' (Arole) of the house of Oduduwa at the place where Oduduwa found peace and could no longer continue with the sojourn, Ooni Sijuwade decided that it's time to come up with a more favorable history. The history has always been variants of how the sons of Oduduwa individually continued the 'sojourn' and established their respective domains. The most powerful one established the land of warriors that later became the only empire in Yoruba history - Oyo Empire - the rest were kingdoms. None stayed behind in Ile-Ife but the symbols and other acts of Yoruba traditional worship remained at the focal point in Ile-Ife under the custody of the Arole.

New Yoruba history books started surfacing in libraries from 1992 upwards including a list of past Oonis with Oduduwa himself listed as the 1st Ooni of Ife. Even the deity, Ogun was listed as one of the Oonis. Some versions placed Oranmiyan who founded Oyo as the 2nd Ooni, other versions placed him as the 4th while others insist he was the 6th Ooni of Ife.

Some school of thought believe that the established version that placed the Ooni as the custodian of the faith/worship aspect of Yoruba tradition and not part of the Oduduwa royalty was reinforced by the Oyos at the height of Oyo Empire's glory and they believe that Ooni Sijuwade's acts only right the wrongs of history I still find the entire situation quite interesting and that brings to mind the quote attributed to Adolf Hitler "He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future. Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it. The victor will never be asked if he told the truth."

This has been a problem with Nigerian universities located in urban areas for a very long time. Talk of the likes of UNILAG, UI among a few others. UNILAG especially have always had running battles with this situation but it's very difficult to control. Apart from those who never got admitted into the school's programs who claim to be real students and attend lectures but party like mad in the evenings, you also have those who were actually rusticated not only from the school but from various schools across the country. Then you have the runs girls as the high class tend to prefer and pay high premium for those who are supposedly university girls. A lot of uninitiated have been repeatedly fooled into thinking that they 'carried' a UNILAG or UI babe.

allcomage:
For an immigrant,America is not paved with gold but with tears,sweat,regrets and blood.the pressure is so enormous that people usually break down with out any known sickness.My wife used to be crazy about and visa lottery.I was never interested because am one of those who like to live in Nigeria.then an opportunity came that she spent a year and six months.Having seen all the seasons of US and what it takes an immigrant to make it there,she cried for weeks to come back.She said it is better to work hard and make it Nigeria than what she saw and observe in US.She was so happy to come home with renewed energy and enthusiasm to succeed and she is making it and being happy. For an adult immigrant,US is a huge slave camp.

One side of the story - America is paved with immigrant success stories even among Nigerians.
It is not 'instant success' like we tend to have in Nigeria via various means so you have to sit down, study your environment and plan your life accordingly - most of the time you need to get a training (conventional college degree, vocational training, certifications etc). Again, America is not paved with 'instant success' way and it is not a land where you dump your responsibilities on others. If you are well-organized and focused you will surely be very very comfortable in America within 5 years. That's what I have seen over and over again with my eyes.
Shikena - that's my own side of the story .

Sorry, you can't make HND equal to a Bachelor's through the backdoor. This PDP ogboju won't work. You know what you signed for right from the admission process when you opted for a Polytechnic and not a University. Nigerians should stop bastardizing everything just for the sake of it. If you want a Bachelor's degree IN NIGERIA, then go to a university. The admission process is not even near the same level. The curriculum is different in content and in context - and in fields like Engineering, a Technologist (HND) is not an Engineer (B.Sc/B.Tech/B.Eng). If you are capable of being an Engineer and you opted to go and become a Technologist, that is your choice.
Engineers are at the highest level of the pyramid in Engineering profession - and they could be designers, researches, project leaders etc - they are behind the design and management of the Engineering process making use of the lower level professionals to develop better processes;
Followed by Technologists (HND) - they are at the highest level of the practical processes in the Engineering field;
and then by Technicians (OND/Technical College graduates/Vocation school graduates/Machinists/Welders etc) - they handle the practical processes.
At the lowest level are the artisans - lower level welders, machinists etc without any formal education. Mostly these are the best hands in terms of 'practical' processes.
This was defined by COREN a long time ago and it's still the case.

Any update on this data for 2013 session?

Can't argue with the top 5. UI and UNILAG are very consistent despite the challenges that they face. Our universities are currently operating as spokes without functional hubs. The hubs should be the Nigerian economy as a whole driven by the industrial, technology and other sectors but those sectors have never been stable or well defined in Nigeria.

However, in terms of ranking and standards, since funding is almost around the same level, the major factors in favor of the older universities are the alumni network and location. Those two factors work very well in favor of University of Lagos and University of Ibadan.

Despite all the bad belle and fabricated stories even by those who don't know where Yaba bus stop is located UNILAG always find a way to shine. Kudos to UNILAG and UI. Continue to shine in spite of all! We can always respect and appreciate class even if, for some reasons, we are not part of it .

If GEJ refuses to back down on leaving UNILAG alone, our next president from 2015 will do the right thing. Declare June 12 as Democracy Day and if you need a University in Abiola's name to underline your 'eye service' then upgrade Moshood Abiola Polytechnic to a University.

Anyway, what is my own. I heard that UNILAG students are already sending signals to BOKO HARAM to remind Jona who the boss is. And those supporting GEJ to spite others, don't count on them to join you in castigating him when Jona increases fuel price again and you have to battle to sustain your miserable life .

Even those who don't know where Lagos Polytechnic is located talk less of UNILAG are now talking authoritatively about the quality and status of UNILAG. Naija people and bad belle for what they can't touch .

Methinks this is not about the tushness of MAULAG as a name but about the legacy of UNILAG as a brand - a 50 yr brand for that matter. We should learn to cherish our institutions and stop being self-centered. UNILAG students are not called UNILAGITES or LAGITES, they are called AKOKITES, derived from the local host community of Akoka-Yaba. They proudly bear that 'local' name.

We should learn to respect other people's sentimental attachments - what is your beef if you don't have to bear MAUL on your certificate or resume? Why are you so agitated about other people's reaction to something that affects them personally? If you can't support them then leave them to their struggles for what they believe in, as long it doesn't affect your life.

, Pls stop mentioning international rankings when it comes to rating of Nigerian universities. Most ranking organizations are using what they see on college websites to rank universities that's why a University of Jebba can easily become Nigeria's highest ranked with a very solid website in 2012 and the next year it's University of Onitsha ranked as the best. Na so University quality dey fluctuate ??

Traditionally, UI (UCH) and Unilag (LUTH/Medilag) have always been the frontrunners in medical education in Nigeria. Some others mentioned above are also good but since they are all mostly run by the same government of Nigeria, apart from the typical subjective 'my school is the best' natural inclination, there is nothing to show that others have been able to surpass the traditional frontrunners.

Strike: Ajimobi Appeals To Oyo Health Workers
http://tribune.com.ng/sat/index.php/news/4315-strike-ajimobi-appeals-to-oyo-health-workers-.html

Written by Dare Adekanmbi Saturday, 04 June 2011

THE governor of Oyo State, Senator Abiola Ajimobi, has appealed to the striking health workers in the state to end their [i]seven-month-old industrial dispute [/i]and go back to work in the interest of the people of the state.

Senator Ajimobi made the appeal while declaring open the 51st annual delegate meeting and general conference of the Nigerian Medical Association (NMA) held at Ibadan Civic Centre, on Friday.

The governor, who attended the conference as his first official assignment, said the meeting he had with the health workers, after  assumption of office, was a demonstration of the resolve of his administration to accord their welfare top priority.

He lamented the poor state of medical facilities and healthcare system left by the immediate past administration, promising to turn things around in the sector for the benefit of the citizenry.

“A situation where doctors perform surgical operations, using light from cell phone and candles is no longer acceptable in Oyo State. We will not improvise equipment in our hospitals. We will improve the conditions of service and are committed to the welfare of our health workers.

“We met inadequate number of medical doctors in the state and we will employ more doctors. We shall establish a primary health centre in every ward and review extant laws on regulation of private practitioners. I am committed to your welfare because[b] I am a professional in politics and not a professional politician[/b],” Ajimobi said.

Section 182 from which the suit is being filed under says:

82. (1) No person shall be qualified for election to the office of Governor of a State if -
(a) subject to the provisions of section 28 of this Constitution, he has voluntarily acquired the citizenship of a country other than Nigeria or, except in such cases as may be prescribed by the National Assembly, he has made a declaration of allegiance to such other country;

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28. (1) Subject to the other provisions of this section, a person shall forfeit forthwith his Nigerian citizenship[b] if, not being a citizen of Nigeria by birth[/b], he acquires or retains the citizenship or nationality of a country, other than Nigeria, of which he is not a citizen by birth.
(2) Any registration of a person as a citizen of Nigeria or the grant of a certificate of naturalisation to a person who is a citizen of a country other than Nigeria at the time of such registration or grant shall, if he is not a citizen by birth of that other country, be conditional upon effective renunciation of the citizenship or nationality of that other country within a period of not more than five months from the date of such registration or grant.

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182 is subject to 28. The seemingly relevant subsections of 28 are 28(1) and 28(2). However both are irrelevant in the case of Ajimobi.

1. 28(1) addresses a person that is not a citizen of Nigeria by birth. Ajimobi is a citizen of Nigeria by birth. Let's see an illustration on the reason for 28(1):
Mukele was born in Cameroon and a citizen of Cameroon but he grew up in Port Harcourt then he applied for and registered as a Nigerian citizen. Mukele is free to contest as Governor of Rivers State.
If Mukele leaves Nigeria for Canada and later obtained the citizenship of Canada, he has lost his right to contest for Governor of Rivers State because he was not a Canadian by birth, he left Nigeria to become a citizen of Canada. That is 28(1)

2. Let's address 28(2).

Mukele's brother Deng, was born in Cameroon but grew up in France and became a citizen of France. If Deng relocates to Nigeria and after some years seeks registration as a Citizen of Nigeria, he will have to renounce his citizenship of France because he was not born in France, he was born in Cameroon. If he never lived in France but moved directly to Nigeria from Cameroon - he does not have to renounce his Cameroonian citizenship.

That is simply what our constitution was saying.

There is absolutely nothing in our constitution stopping a Nigerian, born in Nigeria or born to Nigerian parents, from contesting the Governorship of their states even if they acquired the citizenship of USA, UK or anywhere in the world! The lawyers involved are just taking Akala for a ride.

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