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That somebody does not believe in or subscribe to your idea or concept of God does not mean he/she is an atheist....

MaxInDHouse:
Even after simple explanation you will still go back to your quagmire claiming Jesus never existed, but for the benefit of other followers i will answer the question.

God can judge anyone without consulting any personality but His ways are righteous meaning He will never act like a bully {Deuteronomy 32:4} rather He will present the case before everyone for all to see that He did what is right! Isaiah 1:18

Adam has eaten the forbidden fruit and sentenced all his yet unborn descendants to death so whether they're good or evil death will continue to be their portion as descendants of the sinner who chose death instead of life.

So obedient mankind needs another father to stand in as our foster father, this one must prove to be obedient no matter what circumstances he finds himself so we can learn obedience through him, then to become our father he must use his perfect soul as a ransom for the sin Adam brought upon us.
All those accepting this perfect and obedient man as their foster father must imitate his obedient attitude.


This is what Jesus presented before all the host in heaven {Hebrews 9:12 compare to 1Timothy 2:5-6} to show that obedient mankind can now have what Adam lost: life everlasting! John 3:16

JEHOVAH only need to be present with all other angels in heaven when Jesus present his perfect human flesh and blood then JEHOVAH can declared all those following Jesus' footstep righteous and worthy to live forever! Hebrews 12:24; 13:20

Whether you believe or not that's what happened in heaven and made Jesus had all the power both in heaven and on earth! Matthew 28:18

Who was the Ransome paid to.?

I don't need this long epistle...

Who asked for it.

Who paid it

Who collected it.

Did it work?

Who was released after the Ransome was paid?

Did

God already gave the Jews a solution to the problem of sin in 2nd chronicles 7:14 and in some other places, none of which involves the death of an innocent man or a demi god..

The Jews don't even have demigods as part of their religion.

Somebody is definitely lying. And I know who...

I have always known this...

Kobojunkie..you have clearly tried to ignore his first query...please, provide answer..I am waiting too.

Where did God say he will come or send his son to come and die for sins.

If no where, where did the gospel writers get the story from?

Kobojunkiee:
1. Jesus Christ lived a righteous life according to the Standard that is the Old Law of Moses, and died a cursed death, in order to [b]pay off [/b]the ransom owed by those among His people who would choose through Him to live under God's New Law and Covenant in the Kingdom of God. By dying as He did, not only did He earn Righteousness which He was able to pay their ransom with, but He also overcame the power of the curse on those who were cursed among them, and by His resurrection, overcame the power of Death as well.

2. Your example of yours falls tremendously short in this case.

Paid to who?

Who asked for the payment ?

MaxInDHouse:
This is what most religionists claiming Christians failed to understand, Jesus paid for mankind's sin as man but he resurrected as a spirit being, his human body is the sacrifice not his prehuman existence which must continue after his earthly mission!

Paid to who?

Who really wrote it...

I know it has stories about Isis and Horus in it

And Babylonian epics..

And Roman propaganda...

FxMasterz:
You had better quote where you heard that from.

So who made her pregnant?

FxMasterz:
Again, the spirit realm is not subject to logic.

So Mary did not give birth to a human being?

Just hearing it for the first time..

Heaven and hell are idea created by the Roman Catholic church to wipe people into line and make them more governable and easy to control.
Man is made up of the spirit of God + dust of the earth. When man experiences death, his spirit returns to God and his body returns to the earth. Back to default settings...

Jesus, devil, hell and heaven are all idea of the Roman Catholic church...

Das1mama:
Like I said earlier, Whether you guys believe it or not, God's Word must prevail!!

There is no such thing like "the word of God"

It is all mis translation.

God is mute...

OkCornel:
Which religion does God belong to?

Hint: I’ve bolded something in your message.

The Truth is God and God is the Truth.

The tarsarrat is the truth.

I heard that from the Avengers movie, so it must be true

FxMasterz:
Logic is only useful in the physical realm. God is Spiritual. Spiritual things don't answer to logic.

I know.....

You just believe a woman became pregnant without sleeping with a man.

No logic required..

FxMasterz:
God came down Himself in the form of man to teach man His ways and wash away man's sins. He is the Son and the Son is Him. That's something human beings cannot do. You cannot use logic to understand God.[b][/b]

By the way, why does Allah need you to help him kill disbelievers if he's truly omnipotent?Surah 2:191.

Mohammed's character was never similar to that of a holy prophet. Only demonic blindness can make anyone follow such a false prophet.

You can only use foolishness..

Noo logic

MaxInDHouse:
I have gotten a God of my CHOICE so go and attend to yours, after all it's not about group so there's no reason you and i should agree on terms define your god and worship it while i define mine and worship Him!

I was never on your way?

Or was I?

LordReed:
LoLz! Ready for what?

Rapsture

MaxInDHouse:
My own God differs from yours so go and attend to your god!

Lol...

It is you that is limited. ..you try to put God in a box..

That's why you are coming up short...

You really don't want to learn, you just want an assurance from people in your group that you are in the right group...

It is and was never about group.

Those are the 3 attributes that define God.

If yours is misses 1, I am afraid, he/she/it is not universal..

elated177:
So, you came from the water?

Lol...dummy like you.


It is called natural element. Fire, water, air and earth...

This is not far from it at all..

JOSHUAsalami:
My answer is not about weather the solution is human sacrifice or not
But the spirituality in Christ's crucifixion as you've asked me .

Who ordered

Who did he do it for ?


Don't run away from my question

The Christians has NO story about Lucifer ...

Lucifer is a Latin word that literally means "light bearer"

The Christians however moulded up Satan ,devil and Lucifer into one composite being thereby creating the confusion. They are 3 different being and represent 3 different aspect of life...

Lucifer was used only in the Vulgate bibie by Jerome in Isaiah 14 to describe a certain spirit (goddess of death) in relation to the king of Babylon. The name never appeared in any previous version. So one wonders what a Latin word doing in a Hebrew text. (Need clarification?)

Devil is a Christian concept as the Jews does not have anyone else apart from God,who is the source of both good and evil..

Satan on the other side means an adversary. Anything or anyone who hinders us from achieving our aim is Satan....(both Atikulooter and Tifnubu are Satan to Mr Obi)


But Lucifer??

To collect numbers for hook up..

elated177:
What demigod? Where did you get the idea that some humans are from the water, some from the air, some from earth, some from fire, etc?

From my ancestors....just re echoing what they thought..

Is your jesus not a demi god?..my point is that it did not originate from the old testament.

Judas1X:
....Excepts we're not in the law court. Your inability to face reality is your greatest enemy, and that's why you cling to meaningless analogies that do not actually apply to the situation you're trying to explain.

And the nerve of you to call someone insane when you're Nairaland 's most infamous yabaleft reject

Dtruthspeaker...can't you see I have been vindicated.

I was right all along.

JOSHUAsalami:
1. You called him " a man "
2. You said " (he ) was nailed to the cross "

But you didn't ask why was he nailed to the cross
Or how does nailing a man to the cross amounts to forgiving the sins of a people .

In the knowledge and ways of men
The way to forgive sins is to ask for forgiveness with your mouth and then the one who is offended would pardon you if he9r she feels like .
But in Jesu's case it was different .
He was offended ,and yet was made an offering for tthose who sinned against God .

God was offended ,then God was still the one seeking for a way through which those who offended him would be pardon .

It is natural thing to offend people
But it is spiritual to forgive .

If you think it is a joke then you should try to forgive everyone who had offended you in the past , no matter what they've done to you ,and see if you can do that .
And then make up your mind to forgive everyone who offend you in days to come no matter what they do to you and then see how much you would struggle to forgive someone for a very little mistake - IT COST A LOT TO FORGIVE MY DEAR EVEN THOUGH IT TAKES NOTHING FROM YOU .

God was offended
God provide the Chanel for forgiveness .

have you ever been hurt by someone befor
And then you go to the person and say
"I am sorry for what happened ?

How many of those who've hurt you have you forgiven or how many of those who cursed you have you blessed in return instead of taking a revenge ?

But this is the testimony about Jesus


Luke 23:33-34
[33]And when they had come to the place called Calvary, there they crucified Him, and the criminals, one on the right hand and the other on the left.
[34]Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.” And they divided His garments and cast lots.

My dear that is the spirituality you've asked me about .
God loves you so much that he gave his only son (Jesus Christ ) that if you believe in him you should not perish but have everlasting life)
He is running after you just to say I forgive you .
Have you ever run after anyone who offended you to say I forgive you ?

It is natural to offend
But it is spiritual to forgive .
Accept Jesus as your personal lord and Savior today because he is willing nd ever ready to forgive you .

Download the gospel music titled "reckless love "by Cory asbury ;it will help you understand what I'm saying .

He has already given a solution in 2nd chronicles 7:14.
And in Psalm 51 none of which involve human sacrifice

JOSHUAsalami:
1. You called him " a man "
2. You said " (he ) was nailed to the cross "

But you didn't ask why was he nailed to the cross
Or how does nailing a man to the cross amounts to forgiving the sins of a people .

In the knowledge and ways of men
The way to forgive sins is to ask for forgiveness with your mouth and then the one who is offended would pardon you if he9r she feels like .
But in Jesu's case it was different .
He was offended ,and yet was made an offering for tthose who sinned against God .

God was offended ,then God was still the one seeking for a way through which those who offended him would be pardon .

It is natural thing to offend people
But it is spiritual to forgive .

If you think it is a joke then you should try to forgive everyone who had offended you in the past , no matter what they've done to you ,and see if you can do that .
And then make up your mind to forgive everyone who offend you in days to come no matter what they do to you and then see how much you would struggle to forgive someone for a very little mistake - IT COST A LOT TO FORGIVE MY DEAR EVEN THOUGH IT TAKES NOTHING FROM YOU .

God was offended
God provide the Chanel for forgiveness .

have you ever been hurt by someone befor
And then you go to the person and say
"I am sorry for what happened ?

How many of those who've hurt you have you forgiven or how many of those who cursed you have you blessed in return instead of taking a revenge ?

But this is the testimony about Jesus


Luke 23:33-34
[33]And when they had come to the place called Calvary, there they crucified Him, and the criminals, one on the right hand and the other on the left.
[34]Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.” And they divided His garments and cast lots.

My dear that is the spirituality you've asked me about .
God loves you so much that he gave his only son (Jesus Christ ) that if you believe in him you should not perish but have everlasting life)
He is running after you just to say I forgive you .
Have you ever run after anyone who offended you to say I forgive you ?

It is natural to offend
But it is spiritual to forgive .
Accept Jesus as your personal lord and Savior today because he is willing nd ever ready to forgive you .

Download the gospel music titled "reckless love "by Cory asbury ;it will help you understand what I'm saying .

Who made him?

elated177:
You are confused.

Where did the authors of the gospel get the idea of a demigod giving his life for the sins of all?

What about God the father?

When did he ever asked us to obey somebody else other than him? The creator himself.

There is no where in the old testament where he would hand any authority to a demi god

What does being a Christian even mean with this mistranslation of a literature that where composed by unknown authors.?
It is really shameful to say the least.
Back to OP. The old testament belong to the Jews. It was written and put together by the scribes who where educated in their craft. So you trying to use the Christianity eye stained spectacle might get you into a jam.

The sons of God in genesis refers to a specific blood line. The blood line of Seth..only a human male can mate with a woman. It is probably the pure blood line of Seth.

DivineDynamics:
May the good Lord give you understanding in Jesus name.

Lol

Understanding of stuff that does not make sense??

How does a woman become pregnant without a male input?