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Michael547...go through the his thread.

KnownUnknown:
The elders, the prophets, the men of the great assembly (no women? ). They sound like one of those ecumenical councils the Christians hold where men assemble in great halls to decide the “word of god”.

Before we get to the assembly and assume Moses was a real person, who did Moses receive the Torah from?

Lol..you might want to ask the Jews..

From God obviously..

Who else would have given it?

Michael547:
You made some nice points.....the Hebrew scriptures contained prophecies about the coming messiah. Who do you think fitted the descriptions of that coming messiah?

For one he is going to be a human being from the root of Jesse through David and Solomon.

He will bring peace ....and there will not be any oppression anywhere in the world.

There will be end to wars. ...

The man who is able to do this at first try is the Messiah..

So for now, the Jews are still waiting..

I personally ,am waiting to live in a peaceful world with no oppression.

The Jewish Messiah has NOT come..

Aemmyjah:
Jesus Christ is the way and the mediator between God and man... I've never read the Mary thing in my scriptures

Why do you need an intermediary between you and your creator ?

Why can't you go to him directly like he asked..

"Do not have any other god before me"

There is nothing divine about Christianity,

It was voted on by simple men with little or no knowledge of anything..

Christianity loves to point at Deuteronomy 18:18 and claim Jesus.Ok let’s take look….
I will raise up a Prophet for them from among their own people, like yourself Deut. 18:18…
MEANING A HUMAN LIKE OURSELVES!!
but the human is special ! The remainder of the verse tells you why! and I will put My words into his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him.
SO GOD IS ALWAYS IN CHARGE AND IS NOT THE MESSIAH … God is the creator of all and in control.
HE COMMANDS THE MESSIAH ….
Also remember the Torah was given to a certain people and god said he will raise him within that circle….

HE WILL COME
HE WILL NOT ESTABLISH A NEW RELIGION!
I will put My words into his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him.
HE WILL SPEAK ON BEHALF OF GOD!

Why? BECAUSE GOD CAN NOT COME DOWN TO EARTH … HIS VOICE ALONE CAN KILL…
Just ask Deuteronomy 4 !!!
Just ask Moses who was asked to take over because the Jews couldn’t even handle god talking !!!

It’s very easy to cherry pick verses but it’s wiser to actually read the verse

Christianity and Catholics IS NOT WHAT MESSIAH COMES TO DO!
those are made up religions based on blood shed and force….
Remember the Torah of Moses My servant
Malachi 3:22
MESSIAH ONLY SPEAKS TORAH OF MOSES HIS SERVANT!

To say thanks to Jesus we are numerous in size so we must be right
IS ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE

PROPHETS FOLLOWED MOSES!

ELIJAH IS ONE!!!!
MALACHI IS ANOTHER!!!
THEY NEVER CREATED SOMETHING NEW IN ORDER TO RESTORE SOMETHING OLD!!!

Moses received the Torah at Sinai and handed it onto Joshua, Joshua to the elders, and the elders to the Prophets, and the Prophets to the Men of the Great Assembly.

The church on the other hand burnt gods house
Burnt gods books
Placed idols there
Created a new religion
With a man god
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT…

Freeze007:
Why can't God be human, there is no way, we can know God fully by mere believing because most things we have learnt are tiny bits of the whole, like 7 blind men who touch an elephant and give account by their own experiences which is certainly not the whole....The best and proper thing freeze would think is that IRONS this matter once and for ALL except you think God would not appreciate it if man is taught by Him

We are all God's having a human experience in multiple ways..

We are the world.

elated177:
El Elohe Yahshrael!

If two adults get into their room and assist each other to commit suicide, have they hurt anyone directly? No, they have not. They only took their own lives. However, the effects of their actions on their loved ones are better imagined than experienced.


Simply because sex between two consenting adults of the same gender may not directly hurt or harm anyone, does not make it right.


Homosexuality defiles the earth.

Homosexuality glorifies the kingdom of Satan.

Homosexuality pollutes the environment
spiritually. It contaminates the spiritual atmosphere.

The efficacy of some people's demonic protection depends on them engaging in homosexuality - especially pederasty/pedophilia.

Some people are in covenant with Satan and the demons to initiate as many young ones as they can into the detestable act of homosexuality. The more they do this, the higher they rise in their evil associations.

There are families where people must practise homosexuality because the demonic worship being transmitted generationally depends on it.
So, some of the people who engage in this abomination did not choose it. Rather it was demonically chosen for them, some even before they where born.

The demons need a polluted environment - I mean spiritually - to thrive. And there is no sexual sin that pollutes the environment like homosexuality, it is the chief among them.

No saint of YHVH Almighty should ever nourish any iota of doubt as to the abominable nature of homosexuality. It does not matter who or what country has sanctioned it. It does not really matter how rich, peaceful or prosperous those people or countries are. Our Father in heaven, YHVH Almighty, has made his stand known in that regard.


El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu Yah!

It is an abomination because it goes against God's first commandments

"Go into the world and multiply"

NNTR:
You dont have the indwelling Holy Spirit aka Spirit of Truth in you, as a result, you simply could not accurately process nor see anything that makes sense

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

And you somehow have this holy spirit?

Ok..
If this spirit brings ignorance and illiteracy

I jump am pass

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NNTR:
I do more than read post(s) before clicking submit. Are you happy now?

I sense you have an itch to share what you know what the spirit of truth is, so please be my guest, do not delay, please share here, all you know what the spirit of truth is. Thanks

Love is abstract and at the same time reality.
Just as the love of God is an abstract idea. Just as God is abstract, so the spirit of truth too is abstract

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Make sense please..

This is not a kindergarten picnic

NNTR:

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The dots in Genesis 2:7 clearly reveals at what point Adam became a living soul.

Dont you see that, prior to God breathing into Adam's nostrils the breath of life (i.e. ruach, otherwise known as, the wind of God, and in reality, also known as, life force), Adam essentially was lifeless and so therefore inactive, plainly because the breath of life from God (i.e. ruach, otherwise known as, the wind of God, and in reality, also known as, life force) hadn't entered Adam yet?

Why don't you think the Spirit of Truth has mentioned above wont guide one. Hmm?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Do you even read your post before you click submit?
What is spirit of truth?

Stop mixing abstract stuff with reality..

The thing that was there before the beginning of time. The energy that caused the big bang and set everything in motion and invariably brought me to Nigeria....

MaxInDHouse:
In English language i think the word "company" connotes "having to do with others" not singleness!

Salvation is per head...

Aemmyjah I will like you to go through this thread for my beliefs.

I want you to punch holes in them.

The floor is yours now.

Aemmyjah:
Atheists don't believe in God
They call Bible a book of myth
They don't believe in anything deity and they reject all religious books

So you are secretly reading the books to learn how to live to have peace? You actually believe that those books contain wisdom to give you peace? You are a betrayal to atheists. Lordreed and Maymann will come and disown you now

I have studied and read why the evil religious leaders tried all they can to prevent to common mam from owning a Bible. Why do you ask me such easy question? I'm not a churchgoer, I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

'The new testament was a forgery by Roman empire' yet they killed and persecuted and imprisoned its writers and the Christians calling them ignorant and hunting them like flies and banned the books telling all who owned it to burn it or be burned.
I'm really tired of chatting with you abeg. Go and be listening to the songs of atheists but when you're tired, go n read the book of myth and learn how to live and have peace

Hahahaha

You don't really know anything..

It was one faction of Christianity that was doing the persecution...it was the Catholic church that called all other forms of Christianity as heresy and killed them..
You need to get your facts right..

I am not an atheist..

I believe in God.

It is just our idea and concept about God that is different I think God is the creator of the universe and everything in it. ..what I don't get is how Christian got the idea of jesus and how it is relevant to anything..

elated177:
You do know that all the Kings of Israel and all the prophets were Jews, right?

Yes,

I want you to show me where the writters of the new testament got their idea from. From all indications it is not from Judaism.

So fire away..

elated177:
Answer my questions, waterman.

Lol...that is what we where discussing first...

Let's finish it first.

elated177:
Your prevaricating reeks. Tufiakwa! Answer my questions first.

You evaded our discussion first

Where did you get the idea that jebus is Gods laws and commandments, hence his salvation.

elated177:
Puerility.

Hunnnn

Please see a psychiatrist...

I will pay for it...

elated177:
National adviser. Mtcheeeeew!

It is common sense

I guess you don't have it..

You go to the first time it was used ....

Aemmyjah:
An atheist upholding the Torah and calling it the heart and soul of the Bible. What an ironic paradox

It is not actually..

Torah is about laws that God gave to mankind, to enable them live in peace..

I am following them cause it is almost the same as my igbo omenani...

The so called new testament is a forgery by the Roman empire. Why it was added to the Jewish scriptures is what I am researching now.

The only reason I can see now is to give it some credibility...and deceive the masses..

Have you ever wondered why it was not permitted for the masses to own a copy of the bible?

AkinwaleJJ:
Only the ancient Israelites needs the Torah God never promised any other nation a single thing with regards to the Torah and it's to lead Israelites to the Messiah (Christ) afterwards the Torah will become obsolete when the Messiah arrives! Deuteronomy 18:18-19 compare to Genesis 49:10

I laugh in Greeks ..

Show me the connection between jesus and the Tanakh..

elated177:
I will hold on to mine. Hold onto yours. It is quite obvious that we are never going to agree on any of the issues raised here.

And both of you are reading from the same new testament.

Just a "peace" of advice. When you are confused about something in the Bible, look for the first time it was used in the Bible...

Janosky:
Is the Tetragramatton YHVH @ John 1:1?
You placed it there to DISTORT holy scriptures.

According to your claim on John 1:1 "the Word",
@ John 17:17, is Jesus Christ refering to himself as "your Word"?
No,not at all.

Oga, let's examine the holy scriptures.

Deuteronomy 6:6
"Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah: 5 and thou shalt love Jehovah thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be upon thy heart"

John 17:17, Yahweh's word is all instructions @ Deuteronomy 6:6 and every command from Yahweh the God whom Jesus Christ obeyed, John 12:49.
Your Word at John 17:17 is instructions, command of Yahweh @ Deuteronomy 10:17 & elsewhere in your Bible.
@ John 1:1,"the word" is being with different from your Word, (instructions)
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, [b"]who is himself God" [/b] is a Trinitarian insertion into the holy scriptures.

How did you know it wasn't there in the beginning ?

elated177:
Yahushua the Messiah has everything to do with the Ten Commandments of YHVH Almighty. He is the embodiment. Accept it, reject it, it will not make any difference.

Explain how?

Amos 3:7 says "God does nothing without first revealing it to his servant the prophet..."

Which prophet did God reveal to that his son will come who is the embodiment of his law and will be sacrificed as a sin sacrifice and all the funny things you Christians believe..

I really want to know...

I will educate you on the 4 natural elements..

elated177:
You don't know what you are saying most of the time. You just repeat what you got from Wikipedia.

Sonmvayina, no matter how hard a goat frowns its face, the owner will still take it to the market.

Sonmvayina, as someone who is from the waters or has water as his element, can you live in water? Can you change water from one state to another, that is, can you change water from liquid state to solid state or gaseous state. Can you move water without using any object or making any physical contact? Someone who is from the waters should be able to live in water, right? Someone who has water as his "element" should be able to do all those things, right? So, sonmvayina, enlighten me as how you, a human being, is from the waters and has water as your "element".

How is jesus gods salvation?

God gave us laws so that we will live in peace.

How is jesus relevant to the scheme of things?

elated177:
I have made it clear already, explicitly clear, I might add, that Yahushua the Messiah, as the Word of YHVH Almighty, the Father, is his Salvation.

Where did you get this idea from ?

elated177:
Sonmvayina, I will maintain the path of righteousness that has been marked out for me by my Master and Saviour, Yahushua the Messiah. Follow your own path.


Let us finish the water element thing.

He has got nothing to do with the creator of heaven and earth. Who gave us laws to follow. And never asked us to follow any other ideology...
Yahushua is an idol created by Rome..

Obey God's commandments, your life depend on it, not some idol fashioned in the likenes of a man..

elated177:
Say more about the water element thing. Stop being evasive.

Olodo...

Look who is talking.

Have we finished talking about how your jesus is God's commandments?

Even the people who created the jesus character never even made that connection.

And all of a sudden, elated pulled it out of his hat..

Bravo black man

JOSHUAsalami:
We walk by faith and not by sight

I walk with the knowledge of God...

Not blind faith., You have faith in a lie..

elated177:
Who is Jebus

Eeemm, stop what?

Let us continue what you started. How is your element water? You said you were from the waters, right? I am interested in this line of discourse. Let us conclude it once and for all.

It is forbidden to mention the name of an idol