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LordReed:
So parts of this god are making other parts to suffer and be extinguished. Your god must be a sado masochistic god. Why would you revere such a concept?

You are not well at all. I can see you are really hurting.

So instead of taking responsibility for the decisions you made, you are looking for who to blame...

This life is 100% your responsibility. Learn so that you can make good choices...

Jesus is just a Roman creation to deceive the gullible...God is the universal consciousness....not a man or a jew.

LordReed:
The difference is I am alive but I don't call my consciousness god and I see no reason to.

Yea..thats one step forward.

Well, the totality of the consciousness is what is referred to as God.

It is just a word people have chosen to call it..

LordReed:
What is different about it?

What is the difference between you and a dead body in a morgue?..
The totality of that consciousness in the universe is God...

LordReed:
Why give energy another name?

To differentiate from the regular one you know....

LordReed:
Maybe it's you who is lying to himself.

Lol....atleast you alive. That energy that is keeping you alive and making you conscious of life....is what is referred to as God. The totality of it in the universe...is called "Chukwu "


Comprende?

Torah Laws Are Eternal as well as God's Covenant with the Jewish Nation

Ps 12:7. The words of the Lord are pure words; like silver refined in a furnace upon the ground, purified seven times. 8. You shall keep them, O Lord, You shall preserve them from this generation forever.

Is 59:21"As for Me, this is My covenant with them," says the LORD. "My Spirit, who is on you, will not depart from you, and My words that I have put in your mouth will always be on your lips, on the lips of your children and on the lips of their descendants--from this time on and forever," says the LORD.

The LAW (Torah) is the WAY — Psalm 119:1

The LAW (Torah) is the TRUTH — Psalm 119:142,151

The LAW (Torah) is the LIFE — Ezekiel 20:10-11, Prov. 4:13.

Pr 3:18 She (Torah) is a Tree of LIFE to those who take hold of her; those who hold her fast will be blessed.

Mal 4:4 “Remember the Torah of My servant Moses"

IMMUTABILITY OF THE TORAH -

The Torah itself states clearly that its laws are eternal and binding for all generations.

Part and parcel of the Torah is its explicit instruction not to change even one single letter of the text.

Furthermore, the Torah tells us that if someone should ever claim the mitzvahs are no longer binding, that is a certain sign he is a false prophet. The Torah further warns us not to be duped in the event this "prophet" performs spectacular "miracles."
Here are some sources for further study:

Deuteronomy 4:1-2
Now, Israel, listen to the rules and laws that I am teaching you to do, so that you will remain alive and come to occupy the land that God, Lord of your fathers, is giving you. Do not add to the word that I am commanding you, and do not subtract from it. You must keep all the commandments of the Lord your God, which I am instructing you.

Deuteronomy 13:1-6
You should carefully observe the entire word that I am commanding you. Do not add to it and do not subtract from it.
If there should arise amongst you a prophet or a visionary, he may present you with a sign or miracle, and on the basis of that sign or miracle, say to you, "Let us try out a different god. Let us serve it and have a new spiritual experience."

Do not listen to the words of that prophet or visionary. God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your soul. Follow the Lord your God, remain in awe of Him, keep His mitzvahs, listen to Him and serve Him – and then you will be able to have a true spiritual experience through Him.

That prophet or visionary must be put to death for having spoken rebelliously against God, who brought you out of Egypt and freed you from slavery. He was trying to make you leave the path that God commanded you to walk, and you must destroy such evil from your midst.

Maimonides, Foundations of Torah 9:1-2
The Torah explicitly states that its mitzvahs will remain binding forever, with neither change, addition nor subtraction. The Torah says (Deuteronomy 13:1), "All this word that I command you, you shall keep and do. You shall not add to it, nor subtract from it."

The Torah likewise says (Deuteronomy 29:28), "Things that are revealed belong to us and our children forever, to keep all the words of this Torah." This teaches that that we are commanded to keep the words of the Torah forever. Similarly, in many places the Torah states, "It shall be an everlasting statute, for all your generations."

The Torah furthermore says (Deuteronomy 30:12), "[This commandment which I give you today...] is not in heaven." This teaches that a prophet can no longer add anything to the Torah.

Therefore, if any person will arise – whether Jew or non-Jew – and will perform signs and wonders, saying that God sent him to either add or subtract a mitzvah from the Torah, or explain it differently than our tradition from Moses, or claim that the mitzvahs were given to Israel for only a limited time and not for all generations – then we immediately know he is a false prophet.

In all such cases, we know that such a prophet is speaking presumptuously in God's Name, making up something not told to him by God. For God Himself told Moses that these commandments are for us and for our children forever.

The Tanakh says no man can die for another man’s sins. No human can sacrifice himself for all of humanities sins. God forbids idol worshipping. Idolatry is the worship of an idol or a physical object as a representation of a god. The worshipping of a human as God is idol worship.

4Behold, all souls are Mine. Like the soul of the father, like the soul of the son they are Mine; the soul that sins, it shall die.
5So a man who is righteous and practices justice and righteousness,
6And does not eat [offerings of meals] on the mountains, and does not lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel; neither defiles his fellow man's wife nor approaches a woman in her period of separation,
7And wrongs no man; what has been pledged for a debt he returns; [he] has committed no robbery, gives his bread to the hungry, and clothes the naked with garments,
8Does not lend on interest, nor does he take any increase on a loan, keeps his hand back from wrong, executes true judgment between man and man,
9Has walked in My statutes, and has kept My ordinances to deal truly-he is a righteous man; he shall surely live, says the Lord God.
10If he beget a profligate son, a shedder of blood, and he commits upon his brother any of these [crimes].
11And he does not do all these [good deeds], but has even eaten [offerings of a meal] to the mountains and defiled his fellow man's wife;
12Wronged the poor and the needy, committed robberies, did not return pledges, lifted up his eyes to the idols, committed abomination;
13Gave out on interest, accepted increase on loans -shall he then live? He shall not live! He has done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood falls back on himself!
14And behold, if he beget a son, who sees all the sins of his father which he has done, and sees and does not do likewise;
15He did not eat on the mountains and did not lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, did not defile his fellow man's wife,
16Wronged no man; did not retain any pledge, and committed no robbery; his bread he gave to the hungry and the naked he covered with clothes;
17From the poor he kept his hand back, interest and increase he did not take; My ordinances he kept, in My laws did he walk-he shall not die for the sins of his father, he shall surely live.
18[But] his father, because he illegally suppressed, committed robbery against his brother and did what is not good among his people, behold, he shall die for his iniquity.
19Yet you say, "Why does the son not bear with the sin of the father?" But the son has practiced justice and righteousness, he has kept all My laws and he carries them out; he shall surely live.
20The soul that sins, it shall die; a son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, and a father shall not bear the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
21And if the wicked man repent of all his sins that he has committed and keeps all My laws and executes justice and righteousness, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22All his transgressions that he has committed shall not be remembered regarding him: through his righteousness that he has done he shall live.
23Do I desire the death of the wicked? says the Lord God. Is it not rather in his repenting of his ways that he may live?
24And when the righteous repents of his righteousness and does wrong and does like all the abominations that the wicked man did, shall he live? All his righteous deeds that he has done shall not be remembered; in his treachery that he has perpetrated and in his sin that he has sinned, in them shall he die.
25Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not right!' Hear now, O house of Israel: Is it My way that is not right? Is it not rather your ways that are not right?
26When a righteous man repents of his righteousness and does wrong and dies on that account; for the wrong that he has done he should die.
27And when a wicked man repents of his wickedness that he has done, and does justice and righteousness, he will keep his soul alive.
28He will see and repent of all his transgressions that he has committed-he shall surely live; he shall not die.
29And yet the house of Israel say, 'The way of the Lord is not right!' Is it My ways that are not right, O house of Israel? Is it not rather your ways that are not right?

Ezezkel Chapter 18:4-29

LordReed:
You are mistaken. I cannot be conscious and not know it, that is a massive contradiction.

You are just lying to yourself...

LordReed:
If that's the criteria, then why am I and others not conscious of this information?

You are, you just don't know it....

LordReed:
How did you come to be conscious of it?

Because I am alive....I can feel and breath..

KnownUnknown:
If the Romans created Jesus as a caricature of a messianic Jew, what makes you think Yahweh wasn’t created by Jewish authorities? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

One creator under different names is nonsense you tell yourself and your Jewish landlord would agree that it is nonsense.

Once upon a time, the Seleucid king Antiochus IV Epiphanes replaced the Cult of Yahweh with the Cult of Zeus in a bid to fully subjugate and hellenize the Jews. Do you think the Jews agreed that Zeus is the same as Yahweh?

First and foremost Yaweh is not the Jewish God. Yaweh happens to be one of the sons of Enlil.

We igbos calls It "chukwu" yorubas calls it Eledumare. .the binis calls it osanobua.....same entity different names..A Messiah in Judaism is just a king that is anointed to lead..Not a demi God and certainly not a sacrifice for sins...the Jesus character created by Rome is nothing but an idol. That is my stand and bone of contention..

KnownUnknown:
His Jewish landlord.

Then you have not really been following my post..there is only one creator. It is just the name that is different....


I learnt very late that Jesus is just a Roman created character. There is no record of him in Jewish, Roman or Greek history..

My stand.

Workch:
I don’t understand how it correlate with the existence of god.

Common, forward ever....backward never...

LordReed:
How did you come by this knowledge? And what gives you confidence in the validity of that knowledge?

Because I am conscious of it.....

destinedtee:
To your last statement, God is a Spirit being. That is a basic description of his personality. The issue of hair, sex and the likes you mentioned only came in because you have the intellect to reason along that line. Mind you, that intellect was given by Him as I said ab initio. The basic thing I want us to address first is his EXISTENCE. There are many other things that can be drawn from that.

What is your own take about the existence of God first? That's a good place to start for me as well. Do you believe in his existence? If yes, talk about what you know about him. If no, state reasons.

I want to wind you up a little...

Does the bold not mean that God is nothing?

Workch:
yes, what about it?

What did you feel ?

destinedtee:
To your last statement, God is a Spirit being. That is a basic description of his personality. The issue of hair, sex and the likes you mentioned only came in because you have the intellect to reason along that line. Mind you, that intellect was given by Him as I said ab initio. The basic thing I want us to address first is his EXISTENCE. There are many other things that can be drawn from that.

What is your own take about the existence of God first? That's a good place to start for me as well. Do you believe in his existence? If yes, talk about what you know about him. If no, state reasons.

I don't "believe"..I "know" God exist. It is not a question of believe for me. It is a question of knowing..The Creator is consciousness personified..

Not a man or a jew or a genie that grants wishes..

CrazyMan:
I'm talking based on my own experience...and there are no "But's" in it.

A Muslim will and can say the same thing....when your senses can lie to you, what else can it not do...

CrazyMan:
Seek him, that's all...ask him to reveal himself to you.

Hahahahahha, this is the exact problem with Nigeria and humanity as a whole..

Workch:
please just give me a testable evidence. I have had a lot of preachings already

Have you ever had an "out of body" experience?

CrazyMan:
I used to be in your shoes about a decade ago on this very section, unitl I had certain experiences that made me change my mindset.

The first step you must take towards discovering God is to believe that he exists, cos once your mind is stereotyped into believing that he doesn't exist, you would argue with whatever evidence that's presented to you and find fault in every action suggested to you to carry out.

Secondly you must change your morals, Jesus never preached Christianity on Earth, he preached good morals, be honest, be truthful, be kind, help the poor, assist the needy, avoid fornication...etc.

From here, once you begin to the journey towards attaining perfection, build a relationship with God, (read your Bible and pray regularly) continue this process and sooner or later God will make contact with you through his holy spirit.

What of " if Allah is the real God"?

destinedtee:
Thank you for your polite response.
I believe in someone who made man, nature and the entire creation. He is infinite, immortal, powerful and way beyond the intellect of man because he gifted man (his creation) intellect in the first place. I believe there is someone behind everything that we see. He is the creator of the universe.

This is the God I believe in. There are more things about Him that I believe. However, I will stop here for now.

I look forward to your response. Thank you once again.

You did not really describe anything.

Let me give you a hint. If you are asked in your biology WAEC to describe an insect. You will definitely tell the examiner about its wing, legs compound eyes, abdomen...etc..

Describe your God in like manner. So that when I see it I will be able to recognize it..

What you have done is simply attribute characteristics to an idea...

You described your god as a "he" tell me does he have a private part, curly hair, 5 fingers. Does your God defecate or urinate. Does he have sex...stuff like that..

Animals represents the principles and laws of nature

According to the jews the original owners of the Bible.

A snake means "to beguile" or "to charm"

Since most of the information in the Jewish Bible where drawn from Babylonia epics, I like to do comparative analysis. Most of the stories in the bible are the early stories of the Anunaki , the only difference is who is telling it. But the message is consistent.
The goat represents the God Nannar or sin. He is the moon god who basically is the devil in Christian theology.. The bull represents the god Enlil and would correspond to Satan. I think inanna is the lion as she became one of the most important deity in Babylon. She is the virgin daughter of Babylon...she would be lucifer..they all represents laws and principles of life..

They are all part of the Elohim.

destinedtee:
When a man thinks deeply, he will come to acknowledge the existence of God. A deep reflection about nature, the solar system and creation should make a mortal man know there is SOMEONE behind the scene. Rather than seek for knowledge, some choose to intentionally ignore the reality that beckons to them and make conclusions. They claim lack of evidence as the basis for their ideology. Sooner or later, all will come to definitely ACKNOWLEDGE there is God whether they like it or not. It is just a matter of time.

Describe the God you believe in let's start from there...

Thanks in advance.

bobestman:
Bro look around the religion in the world today with many confusion
Christianity
Islam
Judaism and others
In their various books, their are equally many confusion that they themselves can know but will not agree on
The one who created all things is not the author of confusion. He never created things to be that way. Men fell, the deciever set in, and corrupted many things.
All these things must be corrected to direct men back to the truth before the Creator pours His wrath on earth.

It's NduOrah(tree of life) in my tongue before they corrupted it to Torah. It is the book or tree one must eat from to gain eternal life. Christians copied from it. Islam copied from it. Traditionalist get many of their knowledge there. The powers that be use the knowledge from it to solve many life's problem. But today, the book is Corrupted by thieves just like other religious book. And it is only a corrupted thing that needs correction to make it clean again. That is what I am trying to tell you. Ponder on these things.

Now your speaking my language...

bobestman:
Leave people and doctrines alone bro. Work out your salvation. Had told you that all lies and fabrications will be corrected at the right time.

Lol...see how funny you are.. so where do you draw the line?.

My friend The Torah is the key.

THE PAGAN DOCTRINE OF HELL Embraced and Christianised by Roman Catholicism
The Bible is the Word of God and it does not contradict itself. It is the doctrine of hell which is false and unbiblical. The Bible, in the Hebrew and Septuagint Manuscripts, does not mention hell or everlasting punishment in any way whatsoever.

The concept of eternal torment in hell is nowhere to be found in the Hebrew Bible, but it is found in the writings of the ancient Egyptians, Greeks and Romans. For example, Plato (427-347 BC) discusses the concept of hell in his dialogue ‘Gorgias’ where he speaks of eternal punishment.There can be no doubt that belief in eternal punishment in hell was a pagan belief embraced and Christianised by the church in Rome in the early years of the history of Christianity. Consider this quote from The Schaff-Herzog Encyclopaedia of Religious Knowledge, vol. 12, page 96: Retrieved April 29, 2007.“During the first five centuries of Christianity, there were six theological schools, of which four (Alexandria, Antioch, Caesarea, and Edessa, or Nisibis) were Universalist; one (Ephesus) accepted conditional mortality; one (Carthage or Rome) taught endless punishment of the wicked."

It was indeed the Church at Rome which first taught the pagan doctrine of endless punishment of the wicked, under the umbrella of Christianity. The Roman Catholic Latin Church Fathers, Tertullian (160-220 AC), Jerome (347-420 AC) and Augustine (354-430 AC), all strongly believed in the doctrine of hell. These early Latin Church Fathers are highly venerated Roman Catholic saints who believed that God’s punishment of unbelievers (all those who reject Roman Catholicism) would be in a hell of everlasting torment. In 382 AD Pope Damasus commissioned Jerome to make a revised translation of the Bible in Latin. Jerome, a Roman Catholic by birth, believed in the doctrine of hell and he produced the revised translation of the complete Bible in Latin known as the Latin Vulgate (circa 405 AC). Jerome mistranslated and misinterpreted several key Hebrew and Greek words into the Latin Vulgate in support of the already established doctrine of hell in the Roman Catholic Church.

The Latin Vulgate became the official Bible of the Roman Catholic Church, and to this very day, it is regarded to be free from any doctrinal errors by the Roman Catholic Church. The Latin Vulgate reigned supreme for over a thousand years and the doctrine of hell became deeply entrenched into the psyche of the Christian world as if it were a true biblical doctrine. This was because of the complete dominance of the Roman Catholic Church throughout the Middle Ages, from the 5th to the 16th century.

From circa 590-1517 AC, the Roman Church reigned supreme and dominated the western world where it controlled religion, philosophy, morals, politics, the arts and education, and became a very wealthy institution. This was the dark ages for true Christianity. During these Dark Middle Ages, the Roman Catholic Church refused to allow Scripture to be available in any language other than Latin. Those in possession of non-Latin Scriptures were persecuted and sometimes even killed. Only priests were educated to understand Latin, and this gave the church ultimate power. Power to control and rule the masses without question. The Roman Catholic Church capitalised on this enforced ignorance of the peoples for over a thousand years.

The first hand-written English language Bible translation was produced circa 1380 AC by John Wycliffe, an Oxford professor, scholar and theologian. Wycliffe translated it from the Latin Vulgate, which was the only source text available to him. Pope Martin V was so infuriated by the activities of Wycliffe and his translation of the Bible into English such that 44 years after Wycliffe’s death, he ordered the bones of Wycliffe to be dug-up, crushed and scattered in a river!

In 1517AC, Martin Luther, a Roman Catholic German monk, openly confronted the unbiblical practices of Roman Catholicism. Luther famously posted his 95 theses (in Latin) to display his displeasure with the abuses of Roman Catholicism, most notably the sale of indulgences. This revolt by Martin Luther changed the course of western civilization by initiating the Protestant Reformation. Martin Luther abandoned many of the unbiblical teachings and practices of Roman Catholicism.

Sadly, Martin Luther could not break loose from one of the greatest Roman Catholic heresies of all time, the doctrine of hell. This was because of the supremacy of the Latin Vulgate and the domineering influence of Augustinian theology.
Sadly, Martin Luther died without knowing the full extent of the love and forgiveness of God towards all people whom He created in His own image. Luther left this life with an intense hatred and unforgiveness in his heart towards Jews. Some of the most influential figures in Christendom; Tertullian, Constantine, Jerome, John Chrysostom, Augustine, Martin Luther and John Calvin, all believed in the doctrine of hell and were anti-Semitic.

bobestman:
Yea. All I want you to understand is that if mortals can do such things, the Ancient one who created them all can do more than that.
Do you know that in Pre-historic times we were like gods. We can do extraordinary things but we have lost that power in us today. These was why the Psalmist called us gods. The WORD/Messiah also called us gods.
If we have power in those ancient times to do supernatural things, can't the one who created us all and gave us that power do more than that?
All things are possible with Him
Pray to understand things that look impossible to you in the bible, our Creator can do more than the impossible

Do you also believe it was also God that called Muhammad? If he can do all things.


If no, why?

bobestman:
He created them and can do supernatural things beyond your comprehension.
If pastors fake or real can perform miracles, why can't him
If your African traditional priests or babalowos can get solution to problems by consulting, which was how our ancestors did great things in the past, why can't Him
If fallen angels can come to earth and sleep with women and create impure bloodline of humans, why can't Him

The Ancient of days is the first master planner or Architect. Reproduction is not done only sexually. There are Asexual Reproduction too. Seeds can be planted in a woman without s*x supernaturally to get her pregnant as in the case of the WORD or Messiah. Their are powerful people good or bad who can do that on earth[, why can't Him if He wants
The woman in Revelation 12 who got her pregnant?
Mary in the New Testament who got her pregnant?
The bible is a coded book. Many things there will be revealed this endtime
If you don't understand anything, keep shut or pray for it to be revealed to you. Stop talking against what you have no knowledge of or that has not been revealed to you.
All these your arguments is nothing. The Oldest Man who ever lived can do all things He wish and non of you mortals can question him.

Please repent and flee from those decieving you with false teachings. In no time all the lies in all religions will be corrected by the one chosen to do it and all who do wickedly and follow false teachings will be swept away.

Stop calling everything that has not been revealed to you a lie rather pray and ask your creator to reveal the truth to you. You have his spirit in you and he will reveal it to you.

The bible is not the problem. Those who interpreted it are the problem. It was once a pure book/tree everyone must eat from to gain eternal life(the tree of life). All religion copied from that ancient book and gave their own stories which is far from the truth. This is why all religion are confused today. The chosen one will come to correct all these lies

He NEVER said he would.....or?

bobestman:
He created them and can do supernatural things beyond your comprehension.
If pastors fake or real can perform miracles, why can't him
If your African traditional priests or babalowos can get solution to problems by consulting, which was how our ancestors did great things in the past, why can't Him
If fallen angels can come to earth and sleep with women and create impure bloodline of humans, why can't Him

The Ancient of days is the first master planner or Architect. Reproduction is not done only sexually. There are Asexual Reproduction too. Seeds can be planted in a woman without s*x supernaturally to get her pregnant as in the case of the WORD or Messiah. Their are powerful people good or bad who can do that on earth[b], why can't Him if He wants[/b]
The woman in Revelation 12 who got her pregnant?
Mary in the New Testament who got her pregnant?
The bible is a coded book. Many things there will be revealed this endtime
If you don't understand anything, keep shut or pray for it to be revealed to you. Stop talking against what you have no knowledge of or that has not been revealed to you.
All these your arguments is nothing. The Oldest Man who ever lived can do all things He wish and non of you mortals can question him.

Please repent and flee from those decieving you with false teachings. In no time all the lies in all religions will be corrected by the one chosen to do it and all who do wickedly and follow false teachings will be swept away.

Stop calling everything that has not been revealed to you a lie rather pray and ask your creator to reveal the truth to you. You have his spirit in you and he will reveal it to you.

The bible is not the problem. Those who interpreted it are the problem. It was once a pure book/tree everyone must eat from to gain eternal life(the tree of life). All religion copied from that ancient book and gave their own stories which is far from the truth. This is why all religion are confused today. The chosen one will come to correct all these lies

He NEVER said he would.....or?

bobestman:
You are still asleep. You don't have any truth to tell. You still don't understand many things. When the truth comes, all the lies and blindness will clear from your eyes. You will see well.

Which truth have you stated?

That God impregnated another man's wife to sire a son...henmm?