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bobestman:
Keep sleeping.

The truth will first pass you off before it will set you free.

bobestman:
Ok. For your mind

It does not make you less of a man to admit you don't know what God is..

bobestman:
Sorry, you are in a deep sleep. Psalm 2 is a Prophecy by David who is an incarnate of the Messiah in that era. He was prophesying about the endtime event.
He will first return on a hill where all eyes will see him
He will take possession of his land and rule all with a rod of iron(the law. This was also said in Rev 12)
All the princes and Kings in the earth will envy and want to war with him
His father will give him power to crush anyone who try to rise against him and his people except they bow to him( that's what it means by kiss the son. In ancient time ppl kiss the hand of a king to respect him. It's a sign of respect)
All on earth will bow to him or perish

All prophets in the bible said these about the Messiah. It's a prophesy. See Rev 12. He will rule the world with a rod of iron. You either worship him or perish

I just unsealed the meaning of Psalm 2 to you. Take it to your bank. I won't argue with you again

This is what you get when you mix Jewish scriptures with greek/Roman bull shiit..

David was a Messiah quite alright. Messiah is a king that is anniointed with a special oil. Not a demi God.

Myer:
Does that mean that a Pastor should not preach on Sabath or a Prophet should not prophesy on Sabath?
Like I said they only sought to accuse him,which was why they accused him of working when all he did was heal the sick.

As a Preacher, should he have left his preaching to attend to his mother and siblings or should he complete his preaching first and go and attend to his mother and siblings?

God laws is the standard...we are bound to obey them. To disobey them is what is defined as sin...

If God says "keep the sabath day"..keep it. To disobey is a rebelous act..
If God says "Honour your parents"..obey...he even added a blessing to it..by all means obey...

falseprophet:
It matters bud, Jesus is not a fictional character, He's a real human who walked this earth over 2000 years ago, historians agree with this. It's not mandatory to believe in Him but it costs nothing to accept Him.

Give me one historian who saw him or know anybody that did....

Argue with Bart

bobestman:
I will not go deep on that. Even many Christians will not understand let alone you. You also think like athiests instead bringing yourself down and study. You are even asking to know who the Creator is. Can you know your village forces or gods that bow down to Him? But you believe they are gods. In African cosmology, there are many gods but all believe in a supreme God who created all things and them.

If you can't understand the principles of nature, you can't understand that of Living. If you can't understand both, you can't understand spiritual or heavenly things. The Creator put everything in nature so that whatever you seek to know, it can give you an answer.
Everything has it's kind.

I can rightly guess you probably wrote English WAEC more than 2ice.

Hope you know you did not answer my enquiry..


Please who or what is the Supreme creator?

Who or what are the gods?

Give me simple and concise answers..

Stop dancing to the gallery...

bobestman:
Read Psalm 2 to no why He was called a Son on earth. Psalm 2 is when He will appear on earth.
Read Rev 12 to know how he went to heaven after his birth and why He will return to judge the earth.
We all are sons. Ephraim was the first born son of the Creator. He was the first Son or Sun according to nature(Sun of righteousness). We are the other sons.

You will still not understand

Psalm 2 was a psalm written by David and given to the choir master to be sung during service.

The lord (God) said to my Lord (David).....David was being chased by Saul....

Psalm 2 confirms my own position...not yours.

Myer:
-How did he not keep the Sabath pls explain.

-The bible never mentioned that he did not see his mother and siblings.
The bible simply says he corrected those who summoned him that it is those who hear his teachings and practise them that are his mother and brothers. Luke 8:21

The purpose of the sabath is to reat from any work. It was the basis of the covenant God had with Jacob. So to violate it is a sin

So who gave him the authority to define what a mother is? ..your mother ask to see you, go and see her and find out why she wants to...not saying rubbish...

Myer:
1. He did keep the Sabath holy. The pharisees only sought to claim he worked on the sabath because he performed healed the sick on a Sabath.

2. Where, when and how did he dishonor his father or mother?

He did not keep the Sabath.

When his mother and siblings sort to see him, did he honor her by accepting the summon?

falseprophet:
I am not a christian, never claimed to be one because I do certain things Jesus never did! But I respect christians and avoid those bringing shame to what Christ represents

Does it really matter? Jesus is just a created Roman character...

phemmyfour:
you are not knowledgeable enough for this discussion.

I love your exit strategy....just remain in your ignorance..

Myer:
Do share.

1. Remember the Sabath day to keep it holy.

2. Honor your father and your mother....so that your days may be long...( little wonder his days was cut short..)

bobestman:
Leave those ancient tales. Zachariah Stitching only know a little and their are many twisted stories. The current Bible is only our reliable source for now. Stick to it till the Mezie ya or Onye Mmezi (Messiah)comes to UNSEAL and tell the lost truth. There is a Kere-tor(Creator) and He has a Son.

Look at nature and you will understand. According to Joseph's dream. He said the Sun and the moon and stars bowed to him. Father(Sun), Mother(moon), Children(stars). As it's above, so it's in nature, so it's on earth. Follow the Bible for now and don't let those people confuse you with their theories.

Matthew 14:29-33 “Truly you are the Son of God.”

The word ‘son’ cannot be accepted literally because in the Bible, God addresses many of his chosen servants as ‘son’ and ‘sons.’ The Israelites believed God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense. Therefore, it is obvious the expression ‘son of God’ merely meant ‘Servant of God’; one who, because of faithful service, was close and dear to God as a son is to his father.

Christians who came from a Greek or Roman background, later misused this term. In their heritage, ‘son of God’ signified an incarnation of a god or someone born of a physical union between male and female gods. This can be seen in Acts 14: 11-13, where we read that when Paul and Barnabas preached in a city of Turkey, pagans claimed they were gods incarnate. They called Barnabas the Roman god Zeus, and Paul the Roman god Hermes.

Myer:
You claim to be like Christ.
The bible says Jesus did not commit any sin.
1 Peter 2: 21-22
So I'm asking you can you say the same about your self?
Otherwise you're not a Christian.

Really should I list two for you that he broke?

phemmyfour:
Adamic nature refers to wrong ways of doing things before accepting Christ. Spirit nature means accepting the things of the spirit and living according to the spirit

Adam means man.....God created man with the ability to make choices, has that changed? ..

Are we now like Robot that does what they are programmed to do because a Jew died?

Myer:
I'm letting you know your idea of Christianity is unrealistic.

Are you yourself like Christ?
Are you living without any sin? (Since Chirst did not commit any sin)
Have your blessed your enemies lately?
Did the clouds open on the day of your baptism?
Have you healed anyone?
Have you performed miracles?
Have you fasted for 40 days and 40 nights in the wilderness?
Have you abandoned your family to pursue ministry?
Have you multiplied any food to feed your followers?
Do you manifest all the fruit of the spirit?

The list goes on because it easy to point fingers at others when the gospel was meant to change you first.

Which of Gods commandments did Jesus not break?

I can list two to get us started..

phemmyfour:
Wrong
Use scripture when talking about the things of the spirit for better understanding.
Stop giving it a literally meaning

Romans 8:7-8
because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Lol...so what is wrong with my comment..

You can't just say wrong without telling me what is wrong with it...we are learning aren't we?

phemmyfour:
Adamic nature given away for God's nature

This only happens when you die....Man is made up of dust of the earth + spirit (or breath) of God. When you die, you body returns to the earth while your spirit returns to God. It belongs to him. It's up to him to send it to earth again or other worlds...

In other words we are God's spirit or breath dwelling within a body he fashioned from the DUST OF the earth.....
Righteousness is measured by your obedience to his laws and commandments...

bobestman:
Leave those ancient tales. Zachariah Stitching only know a little and their are many twisted stories. The current Bible is only our reliable source for now. Stick to it till the Mezie ya or Onye Mmezi (Messiah)comes to UNSEAL and tell the lost truth. There is a Kere-tor(Creator) and He has a Son.

Look at nature and you will understand. According to Joseph's dream. He said the Sun and the moon and stars bowed to him. Father(Sun), Mother(moon), Children(stars). As it's above, so it's in nature, so it's on earth. Follow the Bible for now and don't let those people confuse you with their theories.

So who is the mother of the son?

Who is the Creator anyway?

bobestman:
When your Churchian lies has been exposed, you guys will start insulting people. Upon all I said you don't know what a Creator is?
A Creator is the one who created heaven and earth. The Ancient of days. The oldest man that ever lived.
You are angry cos I didn't call him God as your Christian father's taught you. That is why you are accusing me.
The Creator and his Son didn't give us religion but rules, laws that we must follow to get eternal life.
If anyone believe in the Creator, they believe in his son and live a righteous life. They are good. It's not by religion.

Your religion believe the creator is God and his son his Jesus. Follow what they told you. I believe in their Hebrew names. Calling Him Creator is not bad cos it shows He created all things. You are the one attacking me and calling me devil cos I don't call the names Romans sold to you as the the name of the Creator and his Son.

You are hyping your religion when you were warned in your Bible that anyone who believe in the Son will be saved when the true message is preached not people who practice religion or are Christians. His true name in Hebrew is not Jesus so am not wrong if I didn't call your Jesus.

So I have nothing to reveal or proof to you cos all we need to do is to
Believe in the Creator( God according to Christians)
Believe in his Son whom all must acknowledge to be saved
Read the scripture and obey the Commandments of the one who created us
We should run away from anything evil too. I don't do religion. If that will make you call me a devil, continue.

When you say father and son, do you mean Enki and Marduk ?...Or

Because the Creator in the old testament has no son or daughters..it is just him. Beside him there is no other...

Atheist and theist are both same thing...

BassReeves:
1. Who is the narrator?
2. What source is the narrator basing the account on?

Is that all it tells?

Two serpents for the prize of one. Aint that a bargain and nice

Is that so, that Eve means woman?

Spiritual death is when the spirit disconnects with the Spirit, while physical death is when the soul disconnects and leaves the body

Death is a dividing line. Its severance, its cessation, its separation etc. Take a pick.

Exodus 33:20
'12Then Moses said to the LORD, “Look, You have been telling me, ‘Lead this people up,’ but You have not let me know whom You will send with me. Yet You have said, ‘I know you by name, and you have found favor in My sight.’
13Now if indeed I have found favor in Your sight, please let me know Your ways, that I may know You and find favor in Your sight. Remember that this nation is Your people.”
14And the LORD answered, “My Presence will go with you, and I will give you rest.”
15“If Your Presence does not go with us,” Moses replied, “do not lead us up from here.
16For how then can it be known that Your people and I have found favor in Your sight, unless You go with us? How else will we be distinguished from all the other people on the face of the earth?”
17So the LORD said to Moses, “I will do this very thing you have asked, for you have found favor in My sight, and I know you by name.”
18Then Moses said, “Please show me Your glory.”
19“I will cause all My goodness to pass before you,” the LORD replied, “and I will proclaim My name—the LORD—in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
20But He added, “You cannot see My face, for no one can see Me and live.”
21The LORD continued, “There is a place near Me where you are to stand upon a rock,
22and when My glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft of the rock and cover you with My hand until I have passed by.
23Then I will take My hand away, and you will see My back; but My face must not be seen.”'

Counterfeits dont last long. If you know, you know. Dont know. Tough

1. The narrator is the story teller..in this case it would be Ezra.
2. He got must of his info from Babylonia and Egyptian mystery schools.

Death simply means back to default settings. The body back to earth and spirit (or God's breath) back to God. It belongs to him. Will the spirit die again when it belongs to God already. Can God kill himself? Read psalm 104:29-31 for clarity or Ecclesiastes 12:7.

budaatum:
My good friend, morning.

Adam and Eve disobeyed and the consequence was not death, Somn. They went on to live a very long and fruitful life during which they are said to have populated the earth. So why, how, do you come to the conclussion that the consequence of you eating the fruit of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is death?

Does the acquisition of knowledge and wisdom kill?

Lol...yes it does. Ever heard of Alfred Nobel and Oppenheimer?

And even Budaatum?

Mr BassReeves, the story is a recast of a Babylonian epic about Adapa. It tells of how man lost the chance or forfeited the chance to dwell indefinitely on earth. It is just a story of how death came to be...
In the original tale there where two trees one for good and the other for evil. The serpent of the good tree was Ninghiszida while the serpent of the evil tree was Dimuzi..
Adam simply means "man" which represents all of humanity. And Eve means woman....
What is spiritual death and what is physical death...what is death anyway?

Seek wisdom....seek understanding...

budaatum:
Now, that was easy Son, wasn't it? Couldn't you have easily said that from the beginning?

Now, the last bit please, so we may proceed.

What are the consequences if you obeyed or disobeyed?

If I disobeyed the consequences would be death. If I obeyed them it means I have not fully lived. I would not have found or utilize my endowment like the ability to be curious....
Death...

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"God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” - John 4:24

When was the last time you conversed with a spirit?

GILHpm:
Stud the Holy Bible to show yourself approved. If you gain knowledge and understanding of the Words in the Scripture, you are on the right path.
The Word is a light to us and to every darkness.

God loves you!
Prepare for the Second coming of Jesus Christ.

Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John 6:63 (KJV)

John 15:7-8 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

John 4:23-24 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth

You are studying only the new testament
That is wrong...start from the beginning..


And see if God approved of your idolatry..

budaatum:
You did not answer my questions at all, Sonm.
At best you answered the first one, and even that was by making out you did not understand the question you attempted to answer! Or what do you mean by "if you are asking"?



And then you went toddler and resorted to insults to hide your lack of ability and hoped it would not be noticed but go read for yourself how many did notice!



Below are the questions again. You are allowed to resit if you wish.

It is written in the Torah:

And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Will you obey such a command?

And why?

And what are the consequences if you obeyed or disobeyed?

I will obey it whole heartedly....because the command was given by my creator...

God is the universal consciousness...and man is a spirit dwelling with a body made from dust.
Man was created with the capacity and ability to make choices. Spirit are not. They do what God has created them to do.

Death is simply return to default settings..body to earth, spirit to God..

From the time God sends his spirit to the time he takes it , is the human experience. All that he requires of us is to follow rules to make it more purposeful by guiding our choices..

You are looking for a way to bring in Jesus. Which I have told you time after time is just a Roman creation.iHe has got nothing to do with God or man. He is just an idol. But you still want to hold on to absurdities...

Continue..

Budaatum...you choose to ignore my answer. Because it was not what you were expecting..

So what did I say that is out of place..

I warned against looking at scriptures with our physical which you lots do. I teach the message in the story. As the letter killeth.

Well I tried. I have sown the seed. When the time comes you will grow up...

There is more power in Lai Muhammad name than the fictitious Jesus....


Trust me, I know

God is the universal consciousness...