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elated177:
Rubbish!


Just answer the questions I asked you.

Which is??

On point ...I don't see any other way..

Sabbath is a day of rest , not a day for celebration ...

The problem I have with Christianity is the same problem I have with Islam...That is the figure at the center of the religion..
In Christianity's case, there is no mention anywhere in the entire old testament of a son of God coming to die for sin..God indeed promised to send the Jews a messiah, but he is an ordinary man with father and mother, the only difference that he will be from the kingly line of David..so who is this Jesu's that the christian are selling?

As for Islam, it is obvious that Allah was already worshipped before Muhammed was born as his fathers name was Abdullah which means servant of Allah..so my question is that is there any tradition written or oral among the adherants of the religion that Allah will send a prophet??
If not, what is muhameed claim to prophet hood come from

Someboooody should set me straight..

By the way side those looking for sure odds

After a good night sleep the scores came to me as follows

Ascoli 1 pordenone1
Chievo 2 cocenza 0
Brecia 2 virtus Entella 1

Enjoy.

All Italian , the Swindon town vs hull was going 1:2 when I woke up,don't know if it ended like that..

Did the Death of J-s/Yeshua/Yahuwshua qualify to be sacrifice offering? What does our Creator say about human sacrifice in the Hebrew Tanakh(OT)?
In Deuteronomy 12:30-31, the Most High calls human sacrifice something that He hates, and an abomination to Him, 'for every abomination to YHWH, which he hateth, have they done unto their elohim; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their elohim.' Jeremiah 19:4-6, tells us that human sacrifice is so horrible a concept to our Creator, that it did not even come into His mind to demand it from His creation, 'They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind.'

We see this again in Psalm 106:37-38,"They slaughtered their sons and daughters to the demons. They shed innocent blood, the blood of their sons and daughters whom they slaughtered to the idols of Canaan, and the land became polluted with the blood" and in Ezekiel 16:20,21 "Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto Me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Were thy harlotries a small matter,that thou hast slain My children, and gave them over by passing them over to them?". This shows us that our Creator would not accept J's death on the cross as a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. The very idea that YHWH would accept a human sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins is UnScriptural. But.... human sacrifice is accepted in paganism.

No one can die for the sins of another Deu 24:16. Eze 18 and Eze 33:11-20, the innocent can not die for the guilty.

Deu 24:16 "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers; every man shall be put to death for his own sin."

Eze 18:20 "The soul that sinneth, it shall die; the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father with him, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son with him; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
21 But if the wicked turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all My statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22 None of his transgressions that he hath committed shall be remembered against him; for his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith Adonoy YHWH; and not rather that he should return from his ways, and live?"

Did you know it was an idea that was floating around the Jewish people that somehow the innocent could die for the sins of the wicked? Ezekiel 18 says, As I live, saith Adonoy YHWH, you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel. Then later he says, the soul that sinneth it shall die. Ezekiel doesn't mention a word about believing in a crucified messiah for forgiveness of sin but just to turn from your sin and live.

Nowhere in the entire Hebrew Tanakh(OT) are we instructed to believe in a crucified messiah(human sacrifice) for atonement, forgiveness of sins, salvation and everlasting life. Flour has 100% more atoning ability than a human sacrifice, in Leviticus 5:11-13 Flour is accepted for atonement. In the entire Hebrew Tanakh(OT) human sacrifice is never accepted nor foretold to be accepted.

Tempted by who? Another God?....this is the biggest LOL of the day?

Deu 12:32 "What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Deu 13:1 If there arise in the midst of thee a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams - and he give thee a sign or a wonder,
Deu 13:2 and the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spoke unto thee - saying: 'Let us go after other elohim, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them';"
>>>They didn't know "J-s", they didn't pray to "J-s", they didn't worship "J-s" <<<
Deu 13:3 "thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or unto that dreamer of dreams; for YHWH your Elohim putteth you to proof, to know whether ye do love YHWH your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deu 13:4 After YHWH your Elohim shall ye walk, and Him shall ye fear, and His commandments shall ye keep, and unto His voice shall ye hearken, and Him shall ye serve, and unto Him shall ye cleave."

>>>>Idolatry is defined as the worship of any elohim not known to our fathers at Mt Sinai. We know our ancestors at Mt Sinai did not know J-s.

A false prophet is one that would tell you to worship an elohim not known to our fathers at Mt Sinai. No one at Mt Sinai knew J-s. J-s also told people to pray in his name, pretend to drink his blood for eternal life and to follow him, all of which break Torah. The Almighty told us not to listen to J-s.

>>>We are commanded not to Worship and follow any other elohim but the Most High Alone. J-s is foreign elohim who our fathers at Mount Sinai did not know, he brings false doctrine.

>>>There is no command in the entire Tanakh(ot) to believe in a crucified messiah for salvation and forgiveness of sins. Indeed Deu 12:32 - 13:4 commands us not to.

There is No Once Saved Always Saved
Eze 18:20 "The soul that sins, it shall die; a son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, and a father SHALL NOT BEAR THE INIQUITY of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked SHALL BE UPON HIMSELF."

Eze 18:21 "And if the wicked man repent of all his sins that he has committed and keeps all My laws and executes justice and righteousness, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Eze 18:22 All his transgressions that he has committed shall not be remembered regarding him: through his righteousness that he has done he shall live."

Eze 18:23 " Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith Adonoy YHWH: and not that he should repent from his ways, and live?"

Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

It is Gods spirit or breath, it is pure..it does not need saving from anything...the creator only gave the spirit laws to adhere to,while it is dwelling in the body or flesh...to make the stay joyful and interesting..it is up to you (soul) to keep it or not..

When the old testament spoke of salvation,it is always from physical danger..

Kobojunkie:
To be saved from what? Jesus Christ came to save mankind from the condemnation of sin that is death.

To obtain salvation from the condemnation of death, and be gifted with eternal life instead one needs to believe. But what does it mean to believe in Jesus Christ in order to be saved?

My friend,death is a human construct..it is an illusion. Life is all there is...death is not a tragedy in Gods eyes..

Learn, unlearn and relearn..

I have gone over this with you before...looks like you are just marking time (left right ,left right)..

With no forward march..

Reminder:
Man is a spirit being(Gods breath) dwelling within a body fashioned from the dust of the earth..This physical body was created as an abode for the spirit . This spirit is the same image and likeness as God. I won't be wrong if I say it is God...just as the psalmist said in psalm 104:29-31 " send forth your spirit and they are created and replenish the earth , take it and they die and go back to dust" more like back to default...understand it..

I am at the 6th stage...don't worry, you will catch up..each in his own time..

Wao..you created a thread for me...then I am doing something great..the knowledge of the creator that I teach will soon abound..

You will soon wake up..this is the first stage..
Thanks...

I believe in the avengers, they saved us from Thanos and all his children..they can also save us from the devil and his demons when they show up...

Just a tool created to keep people in check..

CodeTemplar:
The account makes no sense. The word Christian means Christlike and was first used at Antioch to describe those who were Christlike so if Christ didn't exist why will the govt continue the 'fabrication' when in fact there are many people who didn't accept Christ as lord or the early apostles and even persecuted them unto death?

A very dumb hypothesis.

That is what they told you and wrote in the book, what gave you the impression that they are not lying ?

GeneralDae:
But in the Spartan Society, it wasn't a problem.

E be like say you go like swinging oh...anyway, each society with their beliefs..Torah was for the Jews and their land..it has got nothing to do with the Bini culture and tradition or Igbo customs and tradition...I only quote it because the laws are similar to our Igbo omenani.

[quote author=haddeylium post=95445755][/quote]
"But, The new covenant is extended to non-natural Jews , Gentiles and people of all nation with Jesus as the mediator."

Where did you get this from ?please be sincere..are you talking about the God of moses and Abraham ?

DappaD:
Think what you may about the NT, that's not my concern.
My own is “Who is the MEDIATOR of the NEW COVENANT?” because after the Babylonian exile, Zerubbabel governor of Judah, high priest Joshua, Haggai, Zechariah(Ezra 3:8, 5:2, Haggai 2:21) and later Ezra, Nehemiah and Malachi were all bound by the Law of Moses.(Ezra 7:6,10) and Ezra even read it aloud and explained the Mosaic Law to the Jews.(Nehemiah 8:1-6)
So why did you say the new covenant was established after the Babylonian exile if what the Bible says nullifies that spurious claim?

Show me where ?..

MaxInDHouse:
Both cult members and those who believe in absurdity are all undergoing the process of getting matured as gods so nothing is at stake!

Whatever grinds your gears...

DappaD:
Are you ready to hear the New Testament's side of the story now?
You promise no insults or abuses?

That is what I have been waiting for ....and make sure to link it to the old testament and which prophet prophesied about it...

DappaD:
What do you mean by “NEED” ?

As per the new testament a and jesus..and convene at and sacrifice for sins...you know, those bull shiit in new testament..

DappaD:
Stop yarning dust abeg. Since you don't have regard for the NT, I should be asking you all the questions maybe you have another source to explain what the new covenant is about. I'd like to hear about it.

I opened this thread...so answer my question .

Why does God need a son ?

DappaD:
Which prophet foretold the new covenant? The one you read in Jeremiah 31 is not enough?

What was it? And how did Jesu's fulfill it ?

haddeylium:
I'm not as confused as you and your God

let me do whatever I pleases as the God that I am

OK, so why does your God need a son ?

haddeylium:
The laws of the old covenant was to be written in the Israelites heart too

Why do they need Moses as the mediator?

They needed moses the first time...but not the second time...moses has already given them the law and they promised to keep it and teach it to their children and childrens children...along the line ,they forgot about the laws and mingled with people around them and joined them to worship their gods...God punished them by sending back to Babylon on exile to go and learn about him again ..
So afterwards God said he was going to make obeying the laws easy as he would write it in their heart ..the first was written on paper and tablets, now no one needs to wait for it to be read in the synagogue . it will be written in their heart..

haddeylium:
Who is confused now?
Your consciousness personified god or you?

So, the laws of those people's land nullified the writing of the new covenant in their heart?

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You lost me...are we talking about the same thing?..The Jews wrote a law to guide them in their land of Israel ,in it they forbade people from sleeping with another mans wife ..then somewhere in a place in middle belt of Nigeria they wrote a law saying it is not a crime to sleep with another mans wife ..and you are calling me to be a judge..? Why?..if is is good for the tribe, who am I to change it ?

haddeylium:
All these one are stories
There are tribes that offer their wives to guest as appreciation for their visit. Sleeping with other people's wives is norms to them.
Where is it in the secular law that being promiscuous is offence?

Think nah

Fine, no wah ala..if the culture agrees to it...and they are kool with it..all well and good..

It is always the laws of the land....the Torah is the laws of the land of Israel..in igbo land where we come from, we have our own laws too...I only quote the old testament because it is almost similar to the Jewish one...

DappaD:
Stop yarning dust abeg. Since you don't have regard for the NT, I should be asking you all the questions maybe you have another source to explain what the new covenant is about. I'd like to hear about it.

I said the new covenant is God writing his laws in our heart , nobody will go from door to door to teach any body ..we will all know it..and keep them..

haddeylium:
I'm not as confused as you and your God

let me do whatever I pleases as the God that I am

Why are you wasting your time on it..?

I think the new testament and Koran are of pagan origin since they both contradict the old testament...so the gods of both are false gods..

shadeyinka:
Really!?
How did you know this?
Do you have any evidence or it's just a wishful thinking?


Are you sure that Mohamed came to save mankind?
How can one who doesn't know the way guide through vthe way?

Al-Ahqaf -46:9
قُلْ مَا كُنْتُ بِدْعًا مِنَ الرُّسُلِ وَمَا أَدْرِي مَا يُفْعَلُ بِي وَلَا بِكُمْ ۖ إِنْ أَتَّبِعُ إِلَّا مَا يُوحَىٰ إِلَيَّ وَمَا أَنَا إِلَّا نَذِيرٌ مُبِينٌ

Qur'an 46:9
Say: "I am not a new Messenger to come, nor do I know what is to be done to me or you. I only follow what is revealed to me. My duty is only to warn you clearly."

Let me show you what the Bible says:
Gal 1:8-9:
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel to you than that you have received, let him be accursed."

In summary:
Any other preachings different from the gospel of Christ is NOT of God.

How did you figure this out..how did you know ?

Maybe when we understand the meaning of propaganda ...such thread will not even pop up..Jehovah or yaw eh is not even the name of the Jewish God...it is s different name..it is forbidden to call it ,except during prayers inside the temple..(his house )..any where else they use lord or adonai..

The stories might be different. But the message is consistent..that is the real jihad is within...

I think Allah might be the Arab equivalent of Nanna in the Sumerian pantheon, and Esu in Yoruba...somebody should correct me if I am wrong..