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My question still stands...why does God need a son ?

DappaD:
Are you asking me? I'm the one asking the questions here. Stay on track.
If you don't have regard for the New Testament, then don't ask me that question.

You are trying to dodge it...I get it, tell me when it was planed, which prophet announced it in the old testament ...?

haddeylium:
You don humble

Lol...so you don't know what God is...? Common, what do you worship then ?

DappaD:
Forefather and no forefather is not anyone's concern now. The question is why is promiscuity the order of the day? Who told you having multiple sex partners is wrong? Is it even in your constitution? Will the govt jail somebody for loose/brazen conduct?


If such things aren't innate in neither humans nor their man-made laws, then where did you get the idea that having multiple sex partners and cheating is wrong?

For one it reduces trust among couples...I know how I felt when I heard somebody slept with my girl friend those days..people lost their lives because they toasted the girl friends of cult members in uniben when I was still a student there...so you can imagine the grief their family will face...so from experience it does not go well in the society..

DappaD:
If there's none, then God wouldn't have chosen Moses to act as mediator for the old one. The truth is staring at you in the face, sonmvayina.

You are just very funny...so it is jesus and the covenant is a human sacrifice..I hear you..

DappaD:
So who told you sleeping with another man's wife is wrong? Because as far most people are concerned, there's nothing wrong in cheating and having multiple partners. They see it as a norm, as per “men naturally cheat” syndrome is prevalent today. So where is this conscience you say people use to distinguish right from wrong in this case?

It's only through the Bible that we come to know that the reverse is the case and that such practices are detestable. You can't come out of this.

Lol..what about our forefathers that kept that law, which bible did they read ?..

DappaD:
Who did Moses foretell would be a prophet just like him at Deuteronomy 18:15,18?
You said it's Joshua, I told you Joshua had already been commissioned before then at Numbers 27:18-23
You're still digressing—can you give me a direct answer or not? Who is the mediator of the new covenant at Jeremiah 31? Say you don't know let's move on.

There is none,except you want to invent one..

DappaD:
Jeremiah 31:32 said it wasn't going to be any renewal of the old one. Jehovah said “It will not be like the covenant that I made with their forefathers on the day I took hold of their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt,”
Where did you get the idea that it's a renewal of the old covenant? Seems you've not gotten the gist yet.

What's the new one?

haddeylium:
I started this way too

In the Bible, Jehovah is the only true God, He created all things.
He's a God to all people on Earth. He was worshipped by all faithful patriarchs: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus ... Genesis 24:27; Exodus 15:1, 2; John 20:17)
He's the only one the title 'Almighty' is attributed to.

He has many amazing qualities , that is even working among his people that you might be interested in

I don't need somebody's idea of Jehovah..give me your own idea...

haddeylium:
I started this way too

In the Bible, Jehovah is the only true God, He created all things.
He's a God to all people on Earth. He was worshipped by all faithful patriarchs: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus ... Genesis 24:27; Exodus 15:1, 2; John 20:17)
He's the only one the title 'Almighty' is attributed to.

He has many amazing qualities , that is even working among his people that you might be interested in

God is not a genie..God is consciousness personified..

DappaD:
You're not understanding me. You said you don't believe God sent his Son to the earth right? OK. Let's leave that for now.

Can you please tell me who was to be mediator of the new covenant at Jeremiah 31? Please I need a direct answer! No dilly dallying. If you can't take drilling then don't come to NL and ask silly questions.

Which prophet prophesied that jesus will be the mediator of the new ?

DappaD:
So God will just write it in the hearts of just anybody? Please you're just digressing now
Who is the mediator of the new covenant please? Because after the time of Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel etc, the only notable persons recorded in the Old Testament were Haggai, Zechariah, Ezra, Nehemiah, Malachi and they were all bound by the old covenant o
Sonmvayina, who is the mediator of the new covenant please?

There is only one convenient ..the new will be a renewal of the one given in Sinai ...he will engraved it in their heart that it will become effortless to obey them...

Comprende ??

DappaD:
Lol. Hope your brain isn't paining you. Stay there and wait for magic to happen

Do you sleep with other peoples wife ? Or insult your parents ?.when faced with such situation do you consult the bible to know if you should do it or not ?...catch up please..your conscience tells you it is wrong...

God job is done ,he has engraved his laws in your heart..

MaxInDHouse:
Guy you're talking to a real Yoruba man, Ogun was the King of Ire, that's why he's called "Onire" Sorry you're just hungry for arguments but on that level you can't go that far!

Ògún was a human and god, but let's keep that in a cooler, what about Sàngó, was he also not human and god?

Do you know the meaning of personification, allegory and metaphor ?..

haddeylium:
JEHOVAH!

Who or what is Jehovah ?

MaxInDHouse:
The point is i can engage in anything i want as a god on my own, if i am a God i don't need to fear or report to anyone.
Whatever i do is part of my own experience, nobody is concerned, not even the god of Israel should be a problem Sir!
So it's still the same logic my guy, Churchgoers threaten those under them, Muslims do the same and you're now trying to do the same but the point is your own group is not visible yet!

Enjoy the experience, you don't need to be a member of any cult and believe absurdities.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy a god cannot be wrong, whatever he does is part of the experience!

Enjoy the experience..you don't need to be a member of a cult..
Death simply means return to default..

DappaD:
So the Law wasn't embedded in the hearts of faithful Israelites? When Moses(the mediator) read the commandments to them and they said “We are willing to do just as Jehovah has spoken” at Exodus 19:8, are you saying the Law wasn't in the hearts and minds of those Israelites after Moses read it to them?


The only difference here is that the 10Commandments of the old covenant were written on stone tablets and were as direct as could be, but the Law according to the new covenant spans several aspects which isn't a written code per se, they are mainly principles.

In the same manner, how will those who are partaking of the new covenant have the Jehovah's Law written in the hearts i.e. embedded in their hearts if they don't study God's Word, the Bible? You think this is some magic show or film trick?

God said he will write it in their heart ..you are not even reading the passage..haba

DappaD:
Have you engaged in any business transaction before? Do you know who plays the role of “Escrow”?
C'mon we need to think on our feet here.
If there's a covenant, an agreement between two parties, in this case between Jehovah God and members of a spiritual Israel, there must be a go-between—a mediator to ensure both parties stick to their own end of the deal.
From that same Old Testament you hold so dearly, it says at Malachi 3:6 that Jehovah doesn't change i.e. his standards can never change. So what makes you think it will change wrt the new covenant?

The new covenant is a renewal of the old...he will write it in our heart ..nobody will hold a book and go from door to door..God will write it in our heart..

DappaD:
OK. So who did Hezekiah become Eternal Father to?
Know today, that Hezekiah has been dead for close to 2,700 years and he's awaiting a resurrection as one of the subjects of God's Kingdom.(Isaiah 26:19, Acts 24:15)

It is God (the eternal father ) that called Hezekiah the prince of peace..read it again a better translation ..like the one I posted ..

MaxInDHouse:
According to your analogy each man supposed to be a god on his/her own, surely no God needs another to set standards for him/her again.
So the commandments the God of Israel set shouldn't be the standard for all other races because my own ancestors are worshipers of Sango, Ogun, Obatala, Orunmila and others.
All these were humans, meaning it's either we ignore the god of Israel altogether or we embrace all forms of worship, none is adolatry anymore!

Lol ,you don't really know anything..who told you Ogun was a man, is Ogun not iron ?

Please stop displaying your ignorance here..

MaxInDHouse:
These are the laws given to the nation of Israel after their God entered into a covenant with them. My own ancestors weren't part of that covenant so those rules aren't binding on me!


If i'm a god on my own then i must be left alone to experience everything that other mature gods went through before they reach the final stage, so i don't need anyone (including you) to sound any warning for me!

Ohh, but you foolishly believe he has a son, and you are worshipping his son..how convenient ..you see your self.

I am not, I am just scared of people like you who can't tell right from wrong except they read it in a book..

MaxInDHouse:
Keep asking to earn what you so much desire "fruitless arguements"

Hahahhaha, exactly..so you have not still figured it out that you are on the wrong road..I am trying to make you think deeply about what you believe, but you are too blind to see it..

Shine your eyes, you have been lied to..

We have been digressing ...please why does God need a son ?

MaxInDHouse:
Sonmvayina (SM)
Interested Person (IP)

IP~Who is God?

SM~you and i are Gods

IP~do we really need God?

SM~it depends on your level.

IP~so i can set my own standard

SM~yes you need no one to teach you.

IP~i love to mix with Christians

SM~that's idolatry!

Ip~ but as a God can't i do what pleases me?

SM~ God will punish you?

IIP~ for exercising my right as a God on my own?

That is why God gave us the laws, to enebke us have a fruitful and more better experience, don't commit adultery, don't steal, don't kill,don't bear false witness,hon our parents....

Man is a God in the flesh..it is not rocket science..we are gods spirit dwelling within a physical body fashioned from the dust of the earth..

MaxInDHouse:
Sonmvayina is just selfish, he has been through the process of becoming a god but he doesn't want others to experience the same thing!

Answer my question and let me close the thread..why did God want a son?

"Let us make man in Our own image after our likeness.kindly explain please

MaxInDHouse:
Where is the idolatry again as you said the Bible itself came from Babylonian origin?
Guy if we're to go by your analogy there is no idolatry anywhere after all we are all going through an experience!

Read the 10 commandments again , paying attention to the first and second one...

Reverencing a man as God is nothing short of idolatry..

oluwaahmed:
Ok so , sonmvayina in all these what is your own truth of the matter?
What is your answer or contribution to the matter? Also are u a worshipper of yahwe? If so, then u have to answer my own questions below (so you don't seem self-righteous)
1: Why would your God create the human race and choose a particular tribe as a means to reach him via salvation?

2: Why does your God have human emotions like jealousy, anger, murder

3: What's with your God and animal sacrifice? I mean since he created everything and everyone can't he just forgive them, whats with the goat, ram and dove sacrifice? Why no fish sacrifice?

4: why do prophets of your God always convince him to change his mind when he's decisions seems weird and unreasonable? E.g moses begged him not to destroy the isrealites for making a golden calf because the Egyptians would say he brought them out of slavery only to destroy them (Ex 32 vs 12). Or when he commanded ezekiel to cook food using human excretion as stove or fuel for itbut ezekiel refused cos it was gross (Ezekiel 4:12-15)
Pls respond. Thanks

1. Like I said God created the human race, every one of us black ,yellow ,white..He gave humans his laws to guide then in their human journey..the Jews accepted the laws and promised to keep them. Because of that ,they see themselves as God chosen people. If you ask me, I will say it is more or less a propaganda..we igbos also accepted the laws too..They are supposed to teach the other humans the laws.

2. Lol., human emotion? God is not a man or a human being. It is humans that need those emotions to eneble them live on earth...in other to make God better known , some of these prophet uses human attribute. I guess that is the only way they can make their audience to relate with it..my opinion though..

3. It is man doing over sabi,that want to kill everything thinking It will please God..what God want is a contrite heart, a broken spirit, a sincere repentance ...2nd chronicles 7:14.

4. That is man projecting his emotion on God..well, for one they are just stories. Not actual events. We are expected to learn the messages in them..God is conciousenes personified..

DappaD:
You're not understanding me. You said you don't believe God sent his Son to the earth right? OK. Let's leave that for now.

Can you please tell me who was to be mediator of the new covenant at Jeremiah 31? Please I need a direct answer! No dilly dallying. If you can't take drilling then don't come to NL and ask silly questions.

The new covenant is God writing his laws in our heart. And it will become effortless to follow them...does that need a mediator?

Read it again..

DappaD:
Are you short of words now?
What role did Moses play when the old covenant was established with the Israelites? Exodus 19:5-6?
What's the reason behind Moses being the only person chosen by God to go up to the mountain?

My guy find answers to these questions and get back to me Asap!

If Jehovah said he was going to establish a new covenant at Jeremiah 31—definitely there will be a mediator. That cannot be contended with. Please don't twist it.

I also heard you said it was Hezekiah who was the mediator? The same Hezekiah who died more than 40 years before Jeremiah was born?

The new covenant is the writing of his(God )laws in our heart not a book or a tablet..so how does that need a mediator? I said Hezekiah is the subject of Isaiah 9:5&6...go back and read the text.

haddeylium:
Better dump those fruitless and Useless Fairytales and embrace the truth among people producing the fruits to be found among the true worshippers

True worshippers of who?

DappaD:
Do you know the import of the highlighted words? Y’know, for every covenant and agreement, there is a middleman—a mediator. For the Law given to the Israelites, Moses was the mediator.

So please who is the mediator of this new covenant? Is it you? Is it Jesus? Or someone else?

So answer my query, when did God say his son will be the mediator of the new covenant ?