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haddeylium:
Better dump those fruitless and Useless Fairytales and embrace the truth among people producing the fruits to be found among the true worshippers

Tuffia kwa you want God to punish me?..it is idolatry..I don't need to be a member of a cult to no what is right and wrong..

DappaD:
Do you know the import of the highlighted words? Y’know, for every covenant and agreement, there is a middleman—a mediator. For the Law given to the Israelites, Moses was the mediator.

So please who is the mediator of this new covenant? Is it you? Is it Jesus? Or someone else?

Lol...how did you arrive at that idea ?

MaxInDHouse:
So wait till then Sir!

I will...but you can stay in your cult...and continue your idolatry..

God will not punish me for obeying his commandment or will he ?

MaxInDHouse:
I wonder o!

He's been going from thread to thread complaining about people believing in Jesus but to present the group that's practicing what he's saying so people can observe the BENEFITS through observation Sonmvayina just kept insulting and abusing everyone!

Lol..nobody is insulting .I just marvel at your low intelligence .

haddeylium:
Like every other reasonable person, I judge how genuine a book is by the benefit it's producing among its user.
With the Usage of the 'Bible', Jehovah's witnesses have been able to solve 'racism', a global pandemic. Bringing together 8.7million people of different races and background or status to have love among themselves.
With this Book, they've been to disarm them, they don't go to war and kill people.
That's a few

Now, Imagine for a second the effect if everybody is a Jehovah's witness.
No racism, No war.
As MaxInDHouse said, if you cannot present the benefit of your 'Humans are gods in human experience consciousness whatever tales,' It is Useless and worthless

Don't worry, you are still in your Egypt,when the time really comes, God will send you a teacher that will lead you to the promised land..

MaxInDHouse:
So Hezekiah is the Everlasting Father and Mighty God shey?

I don't want to believe you lack English comprehension..

That us God who calls him the prince of peace..

MaxInDHouse:
So who is the WONDERFUL COUNSELOR Isaiah was talking about {Isaiah 9:6} and why the counseling?

Moreover when did the new covenant became effective so that you don't need to be taught, if Jesus is removed from the scene?

From the passage it is evident that it has not started . some people are becoming aware and some are still on the journey...till a time when it will be effortless to obey them without resorting to going through the Torah..

MaxInDHouse:
So who is the WONDERFUL COUNSELOR Isaiah was talking about {Isaiah 9:6} and why the counseling?

Moreover when did the new covenant became effective so that you don't need to be taught, if Jesus is removed from the scene?

Do you really want to know or you are just asking random question.?
I don't want to waste my time .

Isaiah 1:1 says "1The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning [/b]Judah and Jerusalem, in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, [and] Hezekiah, kings of Judah."

So you see the time frame Isaiah was referring to?

Then in 9:5 says "For a [b]child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."
and 6 says "to him who increases the authority, and for peace without end, on David's throne and on his kingdom, to establish it and to support it with justice and with righteousness; from now and to eternity, the zeal of the Lord of Host will accomplish this"

So as at the time isaiah was writing this the child has already been born .

So my friend he was referring to Hezekiah who was probably 6 years old as at that time..

When I noticed my wife was doing this I told her
"I don't have any problem with you saying NO, I hope you won't be jealous when you hear I am enjoying it with another woman" and she said NO., husband wey no get girl friend , nah man e be ?

I gladly told her Thank you ma..

Until she mistakenly saw my WhatsApp chat with my side chick.. Hell was let loose...she screamed.."I dey say No again"....
I really don't know what to do..I told her I have ended it with her ,but still see her sometimes..

The side chick dey rod me well, like my baby mama back in the UK in those days..

GeneralDae:
This is exactly what the new testament teaches. So I don't think Christians have a problem with this arguement. It is you who keep speaking about God giving laws and stuff like that.
That passage of Jeremiah was quoted by Jesus in John 6, and also by paul in the epistles.
That is what is meant by new covenant ( new testament). It was derived from that passage.

You don't understand it do you ? It says nobody will teach anybody..not jesus not Paul , he will write it in your heart..so it comes to you naturally..nobody will teach you not to sleep with another mans wife, you will know it is wrong and avoid it,no matter how enticing it is...

Got it now, neither jesus nor Paul is needed...

The world would go on as it is.

First of all, I wonder how people are going to recognize Jesus.

I doubt he’s going to be strolling about NYC, London, or Mumbai or Lagos in a long white robe with long hair and a beard. If he does, he’s in for a lot of shit!

What about healing people? No such thing as magic, so maybe Jesus returns as a doctor. Now, that’s possible! Well, I used to know a Dr. Jesus Fernando from Colombo. Damn!

In his second coming, he’s supposed to cleanse the world, destroy all evil, and give the righteous immortal bodies. Ummmm, well, I hope we’ve colonized not just Mars, but built our own habitable planets by then for we’re really going to need some space to live. In the words of the late great Freddie M, who wants to live forever!

According to The Bible, the second coming is going to be a worldwide phenomenon. Revelations 1:7 says

Christ's second coming will be bright, loud and glorious. This event cannot be hidden, every human on planet earth will see Jesus. He will come back personally and literally. Behold, it says, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him.

We do have our strategic defence systems in play in case unidentified “heavenly” objects approach the earth on a collision course. If that’s the entry Jesus is going to make, well, he then better watch out for them missiles coming right at him.

Now, let’s assume the Revelations was wrong and instead of riding the wings of angels, he’s born into a regular family, goes to school, graduates college, gets a job, or you know, being Jesus and all, starts his own thing.

How about now? Sounds about right!

Let’s assume he makes a pile of money and starts doing charity through making healthcare more accessible and education more affordable. Maybe he tries to eliminate poverty, fund research that makes cheaper and more effective vaccines, helps clean up the environment, and provides cleaner water to people in rural suburbs.

But wait a minute! That’s what Bill Gates does.

Does that mean Gates is…

If jesus where to come back agsin i think that it would be fortunate for him, that humanity in general moved quite far from religion in general, which means he wouldn't be killed. On the other hand I'm fairly certain he'd end up in a mental institution, just like everyone else claiming to be son of god.

GeneralDae:
You are contradicting yourself. If it is inborn, then why did your Jewish God give the laws then? In New testament christianity, Paul also says it is inborn. So you agree with paul here, but in another breath you say that God had to give laws that must be obeyed.

It was written down for people like you(no offence) who can't tell right from wrong. For those of us who are fully conscious it comes to us naturally .it is part of our nature...see what Jeremiah wrote in chapter 31:

Jer 31:31-37 in Christian versions
Jer 31:30 "Behold, the days come, saith YHWH, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah;
31 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; forasmuch as they broke My covenant, although I was a master over them, saith YHWH.
32 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith YHWH, I will put My Torah in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their Elohim, and they shall be My people;
33 and they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying: 'Know YHWH'; for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith YHWH; for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more.
34 Thus saith YHWH, Who giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, who stirreth up the sea, that the waves thereof roar, YHWH of hosts is His name:
35 If these ordinances depart from before Me, saith YHWH, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me for ever.
36 Thus saith YHWH: If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, then will I also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith YHWH.

No One Will Teach Another to Know the Most High, everyone will know Him.

MaxInDHouse:
By studying all the book considered sacred including Babylonian writings and all other fairytales then merging it all with verses he cherrypicked in the Bible.
He's surely a teacher of his own personal school of thought, the only problem he's having is failure to present his students so right thinking persons can observe his teachings in their activities!

And you think you have said something intelligent..FYI the bible you so revere is adapted from Babylonian epics...You really need to read more..

MaxInDHouse:
Sonmvayina my friend, you can continue worshiping or not worshiping whenever you're ready to present the group that's practicing what you're saying let me know!

Lol ,you got it all wrong..you need to start all over again..
You want a group, how about the pyrate confratanity....

GeneralDae:
How do you know this? @ the bolded.

It is in born..and experience too. I don't need to read it in a book, before I know I have to honour and respect my parents and elders..Before the white man came with their bible that says "honour your father and mother " we used to kneel down to greet our parents every morning and always go any erand for them and don't talk when they are talking...the Yoruba's used to postrate...so it is part of our OS that God installed in us when he created us.

MaxInDHouse:
I don't need to start looking if you can present a better performing group of people who don't believe in Jesus nah!
So until then your theory is hopeless and useless!

Christianity is just like ancient paganism, so much so, one of the early Christian fathers claimed as much -
Justin Martyr - Early Christian Apologist
150-160 CE "J-s" = Sons of Zeus
"And when we say also that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, J-s Christ, our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter(Zeus)."
~Justin Martyr First Apology chapter 21 Analogies to the history of Christ.

MaxInDHouse:
Sonmvayina wants to warn people from wrong but what's the consequences or end result in comparison to those who are not doing the wrong thing?
No consequences!
Simply quote "delusional indeed"

Their punishment is that they would be cut off from the land of the living. Read Ezekiel 18, from beginning to end..it clearly states all you need to know.

MaxInDHouse:
You're totally confused and deluded my guy!
Because if i'm to go by your analogy whether someone worships snake or dragon they're all having humans experience which they will later graduated from and become gods. There is nothing at stake because they will still attain to perfection either way, so i don't understand what you're now trying to do o!
After all we're all going through the human experience nah!

I never knew you were this stupiid..sorry to say., you that is worshipping a human being is not different from somebody who is worshipping a snake..Both are thing found on earth . the second commandment forbids it..

You got it now?.

Read psalm 104:29-31 and get small sense..

Dtruthspeaker:
For God so loved the man, that He is Very Long Suffering, So that he that mocketh Him shall turn from his evil, and escape from His Great Anger! Wisdom Chapter 1 verse 1.

But the foolish will never ever hear.

Anyway these are the days of Abominations, Desolations and Mockings As Was Written!

Let him who had an ear to hear what the Spirit said to the churches!

Lol....so you really could not see the message in the comment..you are just smart enough to be an idiot..sorry to say..

haddeylium:
You and your lame fairytales sha

You are not even making any attempt to know..ignorance is a big disease..

MaxInDHouse:
So by the end of the day, whether i follow Jesus or not what am i loosing now that i'm living the best of my life as a follower of Jesus?

It is idolatry... Idol worship.. You are not different from somebody worshipping a snake or river..

The 10 commandment are " i am the lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt and out of the house of bondage you shall have no other god before me. Meaning no mediator or intermediary .
2 . Do NOT make the image or LIKENESS of anything in heaven ,on earth or under the waters below the earth, do not bow down to them or serve them. Reverencing a man which is something found on earth in anyway is forbidden .
You read how he punished the Jews for sacrificing their children to molech..he is punishing us ,with our own people..

Think.

For God so love the world that he created mosquitoes, so that who so ever is bitten by it will get Malaria, and if he/ she does not take quinine will die... Common sense chapter 41 verse 9

MaxInDHouse:
I don't think you're needed in Christianity because you can't think of anything benefitial other than agitation on what will never work!


Lies are easy to sort out because lies may seem real but it will not work out anything benefitial anywhere. So for Jehovah's Witnesses to have gathered people from different races and made them to drop all harmful weapons is an indication that what they have was built on truth not lies!


The teachings JWs got from Jesus of Nazareth has changed the nature of man! Even in the most racist nations individuals have become JWs and are now embracing their fellow believers in other places as brothers and sisters. So you don't know what you're saying.


I chose it after several years as a soldier thinking of how to make people become friends. For your information we carry weapons to settle disputes yet instead of making peace lives are lost and even those we succeeded in disarming still think of how to revenge. But when i see JWs i was astounded, they settle disputes amongst all those who listens to them and afterwards those involved surrender their weapons never to pick up weapons against their fellowman for any reason whatsoever again!

So if you're blind to all of these because you've been told that Jesus is a myth, then work on the truth you know and present a better performing group of people to replace Jehovah's Witnesses (the true followers of Jesus) That's all i'm asking you to do!

Who asked you to follow Jesus?

God only gave you laws to follow to have a meaning ful life... End of the day we are all spiritual beings having a human experience, when we die we go back being spirits.. Default settings.. And become part of God..

Dtruthspeaker:
Come on, you do not have to resort to lies, it is not necessary.



What is the purpose and Profits of the Records of the Bible?

This is the beginning of the Acquisition of knowledge, but you already have the type of knowledge you want to acquire not Necessarily That Which is True, whether you can bear it or not.

They where written to guide your steps, as a torch for your path.. They are not writing actual events.. Read it and learn the messages in them..

But you went far to start worshipping the characters in them..

Just like they say "intelligence comes in many forms, some people are just smart enough to be idiots"...

AkinwaleJJ:
I personally have read many of your posts and i must tell you that this question of yours proves you're completely deluded!
You always say everyone is a God and that we're just going through a reformation process, you even say with time most people will get to the stage they supposed to be, meaning you believe in Nirvana.
So why on earth do you now say someone is wasting his life if truthfully you believe in your Nirvana process? Are you now saying your debate will speed up the process than the time you've always believed will work things out?
Please what exactly is your belief?

cc. GeneralDae

We are spiritual beings having a human experience NOT the other way round...so in other to have a more fulfilling experience the creator gave humanity certain laws. The jews (Torah) and the igbos (Odinani) are the only people to accept it.
Worshipping a God or giving your life to a God created in the image and likeness of a man is nothing short of idolatry..
Or believing in the death of another man as atonement for sins is waste of time... And a complete slap on God's face.. Each of us has to atone for whatever wrong we have done and make appropriate restitution..the first of which is a sincere repentance and forsake of our evil ways.. He is ready to forgive and restore.. He does not need nor ever ask us to murder anybody or sent anybody on a suicide mission...

This has always been my stance..

Dtruthspeaker:
I had settled All these issues and you could Not Supply Any Query on the Accuracy of my Claim, RATHER, when you saw you could not Offer Any Sweet Rebuttal as you have done to others, instead of you to surrender and Acquire Greater Knowledge you could Not Answer, You rather Chose to Resort to Insults.

Which is why I once answered you that

"People Resort to Insults when they have nothing good to present in an argument."

You have never ...and you know it...there is no foundation for Christianity in the old testament..

If there is. Show me...

MaxInDHouse:
Keep on asking everyone around you, at least that will keep you busy arguing fruitlessly as you've always wanted!

Why are you wasting your life on it and why do you want me to?...

Something you know is a lie..and those not make sense..

It has not change the nature of man, you still get to make choices and you need Gods laws to guide you..why are you substituting it for human creation and invention...

I want to understand why you choose it, given the fact that the whole idea is built on a fabrication..

MaxInDHouse:
I don't need to start looking if you can present a better performing group of people who don't believe in Jesus nah!
So until then your theory is hopeless and useless!

Why does God need a son ?

GeneralDae:
That fella doesn't even know what he believes. He uses the fallacy of special pleading for the old testament, always defending the passages of the old testament and would want to interpret everything there in different ways, but is not consistent when it comes to the new testament.
He cannot answer your question, don't expect a reasonable answer to that particular question from him.

You have not answered my initial query ..why does God need a son ?

MaxInDHouse:
I don't need to start looking if you can present a better performing group of people who don't believe in Jesus nah!
So until then your theory is hopeless and useless!

Keep deluding yourself..when the time comes, you will wake up to reality..

Dtruthspeaker:
Yeah, like OtemAtum says he put unseen beings in his cage oh men, some real Nairaland looney tunes.

Jesus has got nothing to do with God or his plan.

J-s claimed he brought in the New Covenant but did he?
Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mar 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

The New Covenant in Jeremiah 31 Is With the house of Israel And the house of Judah, Torah Will Be In Our Heart, No One Will Teach Another to Know the Most High and Israel Will Never Stop Being A Nation Before Him verses 35 & 36 (34 & 35 in the Jewish Scriptures). It doesn't mention anything about believing in Jesus' death and resurrection.

Jer 31:31-37 in Christian versions
Jer 31:30 "Behold, the days come, saith YHWH, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah;
31 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; forasmuch as they broke My covenant, although I was a master over them, saith YHWH.
32 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith YHWH, I will put My Torah in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their Elohim, and they shall be My people;
33 and they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying: 'Know YHWH'; for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith YHWH; for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more.
34 Thus saith YHWH, Who giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, who stirreth up the sea, that the waves thereof roar, YHWH of hosts is His name:
35 If these ordinances depart from before Me, saith YHWH, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me for ever.
36 Thus saith YHWH: If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, then will I also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith YHWH. "

There is no mention in the New Covenant, Jeremiah 31:31-34(30-33), about believing in a crucified messiah(human sacrifice) for forgiveness of sins. It says nothing about the New Covenant being in the blood of a crucified messiah either Luke 22:20.

No One Will Teach Another to Know the Most High, everyone will know Him. Yet look what J-s' last words were to his disciples:
"Go ye therefore, and TEACH all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" Matthew 28:19.
Clearly he did not bring the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31 and added to Torah there which is forbidden Deu 12:32.