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JMAN05:
Sweet fresh water is known as Apsu, while salty bitter water is the goddess Tiamat. From these two inanimate things (Apsu and Tiamat), younger gods were born.

The young gods were loud and disturbed the sleep of inanimate fresh water (Apsu). It's vizier Mummu advised it and he agrees to kill the younger gods. Tiamat hearing of the plan went and warned Enki. Younger gods then put Apsu to death. From Apsu's remains, Enki creates his home.

Tiamat regrets the killing of Apsu by the younger gods, she became enraged. Now she aims to kill the younger gods......

Non living things called gods, has husbands, has children, fights, devices murder schemes, murders etc.

That doesn't sound real to me. It is clearly a myth. They are obviously writing about something on earth in a fanciful way. Maybe you should read the story yourself and check if it sounds like a real history.

It is not a real story.. It is the sumerian take on the creation of the universe by Marduk..

The enuma elish, very interesting for those with discerning minds.

kkins25:
i assume this assertions of yours sprouted from a little bit of info from the judaism and other mythical folklore. Your assertions would have us believe that Ha-satan is a living creature of his on BEING.


you would have us belief that the Devil or Satan is actually a loving servant of God. inorder words, it is God who is actually responsible for all the plaque that man has suffered and not as our Abrahamic brethren have come to believe. This belief of yours may be contended with depending on the ideology of the time or era or your opposer. Afterall, the little knowledge we have of Satan comes from the Abrahamic subscribers and they belief Satan is acting of his own free will. However, it is written that the concept of Satan being the dual-opposite of God was infiltration of judaic religion by Zoroastrian thoughts.
Interesting. All along it was Gods doing. God, you tricky Son of ah Beetch.

I do agree that we have choices and are totally responsible for the choices we make. my little problem is with 'good and evil'. Pls, what is 'good' and what is 'evil'?

Okay!

Laws?from who actually? from men or from God?
Okay, would do

thats what im doing.

Not necessary a living creature or being,what God's, demons or goddesses represents are personification of natural laws and principles..

Yes they all work for God and report to him. The creator is the head of all power and principalities.. Whatever they do is what he created them for, they are not humans. They don't have brains to think or make choices, that was reserved for man.. Only man was endowed with free will.. Spirit DON'T have that. They only do what God ask them to do.. There must be an expressed permission.

Good and evil are only a man's perspective, God knows no such..

We need laws, without which there would be chaos. Don't you think so.? I would never lie with another man's wife, I know some people do it.. I know how I felt when a guy slept with my girlfriend. I was in uniben and she was in ekpoma.. Just imagine that happening to a man that has already paid bride price on a woman..

Dtruthspeaker:
I thought you said that the Bible ends in Leviticus, implying that the other books of the Bible are false and irrelevant, thus you do not believe in the Truth of them, then why are you standing on Isaiah?

I will patronize you by answering you even though you do not believe in the other books of the Bible so that I could show you that I love answering any reasonable question you could throw without fear and I will never stoop to insults to make my point. So here I go.

Great you have said the words "Form" and "Create" which is Always outside the Person. Therefore A Creator is Always Distinct and Separate from His creation like iPhone is not Steve Jobs.

Another word you missed is "evil" not Satan.

What is the history of Satan in connection to evil? Where we not told that he was an angel, who was Cursed? Cursed with what? his acts shows his curse.

Which is why I said Satan is cursed or relegated to eat only evil, exactly for the purpose for which evil was created for.

For God and Good cannot touch evil (which is one of the meanings of Holiness) and evil can not touch Good (therefore the everlasting Law of Bonding is established, Good with Good and Evil with evil)

And Satan is not sitting down waiting for evil to come so that he can eat, therefore, unlike evil that will not move, exactly as God created it, Satan Moves to cook and stir up evil that he may eat.

And this is what happened.

So now I am going back to tear your own thinking to shreds while you can try and see if you can tear mine down.

You judge that!

LOL.. You no get one single sense at all.. You are still operating in the physical. For God sake, we are spiritual being dwelling within a physical body made from dust...
God is the spirit behind all creation.. Not a man or human being..i said everything God created has a purpose, even what you refer to as Satan.. They only do what God ask them to do.. They do not have a brain to think or make choices.. That luxury was reserved for man
God is omni present, meaning everywhere.. Air, river, land trees... Satan is inside the everywhere not independent of it or outside of it.. Same as us, we are part of God, God is part of us...

Keep on learning.
Both the creator and the creation are one and the same thing.. That is why it is called a UNIverse..

Dtruthspeaker:
And when you do not know God nor understand his ways, you must make the above statement with your Unfounded propaganda which is still grounded on the Fact That You do not know the Most High God!

Take each point analyze it and tell me your own opinion or thought.. I am waiting..

Dtruthspeaker:
I love Knowing and learning and I know when my Knowings is greater than another, which is what is going on here.

If you had a valid and solid case, you would never have to resort to insults and ridicule, because Knowledge, Elevates, of which you did not know that knowledge is Know-Ledge meaning Know and be Placed on a Ledge or Elevation.

Which is what I have over you and rather than learn and be increased you are rather attempting to reduce me, which I will never allow.

"An wicked man seeketh only rebellion; but he that hath knowledge, spareth his words and a man of Understanding is of an Excellent Spirit"

OK, so which part of my comment did you not agree with?

Dtruthspeaker:
If you Truly knew Who God is, you would know that Holy means Spotless (described in the Bible as Light, in Whom there is NO DARKNESS) meaning No Stain at all.

So for saying this,
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Satan is just one small aspect of God. God is the totality of existence itself. Satan is not independent of God neither is he a dual opposite of God
you do not know God for you stain Him.

Which means you do not know (another {YDK} You don't know) "That a thing is Only Good, If, Every Element in it is Good; It Is Bad, if Only One Element, in this case, Satan as you say, it is Bad"

The Holy and Good that I know, has no atom of darknesss.

Isaiah 45:7 says "I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil, I the lord do all these things"..
Lamentation 3:38-39 says"from where those good and evil comes if not from the mouth of the lord"
Either God is lying or you don't understand anything.. You be the judge..

It is death that is man's enemy because she can come at any time. She is personified as lucifer, not Satan, not devil.. They represent different aspects of God.. The Bible calls them "the sons of God" while they are called orishas in yoruba and Alusi in igbo...

Dtruthspeaker:
I fear Nothing and No One but The Highest and His Authorities Over me, the man. And Satan is not one of them.

My answer to your question was clear, that even though Wickedness and evil is seen and known, you must be null of knowledge to not know that Satan is the king of Wickedness and Counsellor of all evil, enough for you to wonder if he exists. Tueh!

Yeah, Wickedness does not exist, so Satan does not exist.

And this Answer is based on your Header!

You people and your bad writing habit

Satan is just one small aspect of God. God is the totality of existence itself. Satan is not independent of God neither is he a dual opposite of God.. To think so is a big insult against God... He was created to accomplish God's purpose, and that is what he is doing.. Whatever happens, happened because God willed it to happen, not because devil did it.. God created evil as a tool for learning..He created us human with the ability and capacity to make choices.. And what exactely are we to choose from?? Between good and evil. He gave us the Torah or laws to guide our choices.. To make better ones. And have a fruitful life.. At the end of it, the spirit will return to God who gave it and the body back to the earth from where it came.. So whether 1 Jesus died or 1000 jesuses died it has not changed anything. We still need the laws to guide our actions and speach.. He was never needed either by God or man... He was created by the Romans to keep people busy and distracted.. While they plunder the land for resources..
Read Isaiah 45:7

Unlearn and relearn..

Dtruthspeaker:
Okwute! I made the distinction and your response was to call me unwell! Now you are asking a question which I already answered.

Are in your lucid moments or out of it? Any way I do not care for the answer.

Am not going to oblige you... Just continue in your delusions.. Till you tired of it.. That's if you do... Shalom.

Minsk24:
From what you have said...
He wants to rule the world

He only speaks to his minions in spiritual realm

He has agents in so many fields

He is the mastermind of social vices...

If what you have said made sense to you, I wanna ask you what God's role is in all Satan's doings...
Why is God letting Satan wreck havoc on people he claims to love?

Don't mind him jare...sounding wise but foolish..

Maximus69:
Well it's like you are honest and sincere with the question you asked, so let's talk!

Satan is a real person! He has spoken in so many ways but because he's deceptive he will not talk with his prey face to face!
In the spirit realms, those who have sold their souls (life) to him do see him and talk to him one on one. That's why you're seeing many people today engaging in rituals!
The first thing he is after is to rule the whole world, but he does so using his agents (those who have sold their souls to him). They're everywhere, in Politics, Sports, Entertainment, Religion and Commerce.
These people are serving as IDOLS in out midst and billions are worshiping them!
You will see many making this IDOLS their role model, trying to speak, act and dress like them. It has even got to the stage where people live their lives like them, most young men are sleeping around with different girls making them babymamas, most young ladies are doing the same with different men sampling different sizes of manhood.
So with all of these Satan keeps promoting all sort of sex appeals, hatred, envy, jealousy, Witchcraft, drunkenness and many other evil deeds are carried out on daily basis!
Don't ask the perpetrators because the IDOLS are lords in the spirit realms, it's those emulating them that will be caught and punished. The IDOLS are untouchable!

I could develop a blockbuster movie from these your idea...does somebody here know anybody in a movie industry.. serious money to be made..

Dtruthspeaker:
Stupid Question! You obviously do not know much.

Who do you think is The Evil Aka D'evil aka devil aka Satan?

It is akin to asking does Wickedness exist.

Is this man not an example of the deceiver ye have been warned about that he shall come, to deceive many, and yet many follow?

As you lay your bed,...

How do you distinguish God from Satan ?

Anu ofia

Dtruthspeaker:
Mr Polarity, Mr Duality. Oh, now I get it. That is why you hate Mr Triliality in the other thread!

I do not know if you are talking about the Highest and The First, But if it is Him, you are wrong for He is All Good!

He being One Good, in wisdom made things in any organised fashion He Wished, whether in Ones like the Head or Twos like the hands and feet or in Threes like Body, Word and Countenance; Flesh, Soul and spirit etc,

But All was made Good, Except The evil which Wisdom would have taught you to know that it was made to eat away all evil so that good will always remain and be plenty.

But Satan ate or desired evil and therefore became cursed with evil, which now became him, which is why we call him the-evil!

That is who Satan is and he is a creation not a part of the Creator like The Word of God's Mouth or God's Countenance in Motion!

You are not well at all oh.. Ezeokwu

chatinent:
You are so right and learned.
Do you think Israel are still the 'God's own people' today?

Yes they still are, he promised never to abandon them.. No matter what they do...

There are two sides to God or polarity or dualism. The right side and the left side. The right side is composed of Enki, his sons and daughters.. While the left hand side is made up of Enlil his sons and daughters. They are the baals and asherahs mentioned in the books of kings and Samuel...they would be the equivalent of Zeus and poseidon in Greeks religion.. And obatala and oromila in yoruba.. Somebody should correct me if I am wrong..

God, Satan, devil, lucifer.. Are all personification of laws and principles that exist within us.... They are part of the totality of existence.. Not independent and not opposite... Like I said earlier in a previous post.. Satan is the God of the air or lord wind(Enlil), he is the lord of the command, he drew his cast for the earth meaning he was the one who chose for all the gods and goddess to come to earth., he was Anus' first son. the devil on the other hand is the God of darkness or moon God (sin/Nanna) while lucifer is the goddess of death, war, destruction, wisdom, love, lust, she is also the queen of heaven (inanna in Babylonian, aphrodite in Greek, venus in Roman and osun in yoruba mythology,she is also Mary the mother of Jesus in Christianity.)

Which brand of weed are you smoking?

As above so below..

solite3:
Repent and believe on the Lord Jesus.

See this clown.. There there..

Make una dey wait.. Onyinbo give una book, all of una sense run leave una...

MrMystrO:
Lovely thread Ladyhippolyta88. I would like to present my contribution as simple and understandable as it can be but i still fear some concepts i might use might not be easily understandable but i will give it a try. First of all are you familiar the the concept of paradoxes? i personally call them Eternal Cycles. On an earlier thread of mine i talked about paradoxes as being ideas or Questions that doesn't belong to our normal default 3 Dimensional realm of understanding and as such makes them unable to be grasped by the human mind. i also said "In Eternal cycles, the two Parent forces of life meet and everything at this state is considered One with Each other. At this point it becomes impossible for the human mind to fully Grasp such phenomenons because our existence is on the Third Dimensional plane which is vigorously grounded in Duality"


With being said, I personally believe The key to understanding this question is Understanding paradoxes.

In Our understanding of Reality, Everything is grounded on duality, Opposites or Polarity.
Its Either
Yes or No
Good or Bad
Wrong or Right
Light or darkness..e.t.c.

But what if there is a State that Transcends this type of reality? What if there is a state where all is neutral.. Where the two polarities become One.. Where it is possible to BE and also NOT BE?... Sorry to drag your mind into this weird Zone but this is the territory of the Question you're asking. The concept of Destiny is a paradox, just as the concept of God and Eternity are also paradoxes. You just can't understand them with the human Reality of Duality and Polarity.

In this case the Answer you seek is also in your question.
is Man's Destiny Shaped By God or By Man himself?
I say man's Destiny is Shaped by God and at the same time also By Man Himself...Remove the Polarities between Man and God and you get your answer.

Before i go i would refer you to my previous quote on the paradox of the idea of God.

"The idea of God is in itself the Biggest Paradox of All, That's why i Believe when you say God Exists, You're Right and Also when you say he doesn't exist, You're also Right! Duality does Not Exist on that plane you are threading on and therefore on this Plane, The creator and the Creation are simply inseparable, One and The same"

In your face trinitarians..

Is he the 5G guy... No, am not interested..

ochibuogwu5:
May the Holy Spirit deliver your soul from the darkness of error because of His mercy that prevails over judgment so that the lawful captive of the mighty(devil) like you will enter into the revelation of the gospel of Jesus Christ Crucified. Amen.

Continue to be delusional...

Dtruthspeaker:
I gave you an opportunity and you presented your cow shit case to the effect that someone told you all that you claim and you lost me. Why?

Because it is not within anybody's knowledge the Truth of His creation and neither can he possess the True knowledge of his Creator, because he is a Creation or creature.

The Christ said the Unknown Pass-Words that Resolved my doubts and He went further to Prove it to me in Doing All that He did and saying All that he said!

And No One Else Has including you and neither am I looking for anyone else, For I Am Absolutely and Unshakably Convinced of My Profession in Christ Jesus, the Lord who is God Over man.

That is why I hold myself out for to see if there be any who can shake me or cause me to fall from my Profession in Christ.

And there be None, No Not One!

Continue.. Maybe not in this life time.. But you must definitely know..

Dtruthspeaker:
I am not your judge!

I only said that your PreSet Position that all these matters do not exist immediately bars you from commenting on it.

It is nonsensical to you to comment about the rightness or wrongness of a thing that does not exist, as you Claimed.

You won't learn like this.. Be open minded... I said they are stories to teach us spiritual truth..
You don't want to accept the fact that you have wasted your whole life believing and following Jesus..
Jesus is a Roman idol created by the Roman catholic /empire.. Don't be deceived, you were given a brain to dictect bullshit. Use it..

Dtruthspeaker:
Do you not know what "To see what they shall do" means and the implication or consequences thereof?



Before Zechariah, Exodus 23:21 already Clearly warns us how dangerous it is to slip up in the presence of an Angel and all the various encounters with an Angel have always been fearful.

Angels are Very Dangerous! But they come to you Because, they have been sent by God, if not, they would not come.



When the Bible says the Lord or Lord God, it Truly Always meant the Lord Who is God over man.

The Lord God Also Rules over Angels and they carry out His Instructions. Exodus 23:23/Mathew 24:30/31.

You are beginning to have sense little by little..

Maximus69:
It's all about unseen higher intelligent beings!

They are fighting for domains so since we can't see them the only way to grasp their presence is the ongoing strifes between those under their control!

There is just one true God {Deuteronomy 6:4} and his own worshipers today are no more going for battles having to do with what we can see {Ephesians 6:12} so whenever you see people carry weapons to kill, know that they're all under the control of DEMONS! Revelations 16:14-16

I Visage you a a jehovah witness, this is by the way side though.. Just between you and me. I read in one of your publications that Jesus came as a Ransome. But no more information was given. Please I want to know what the Ransome was, who demanded the Ransome, who paid the Ransome and who received it.. After the payment, did the Ransome accomplish anything.?.. Please I will love answers to these questions.. Thank you.

oluminnic:
JESUS IS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. www.rhemaformula.com

Way to where?

The only thing I took from the story is that God does not accept human sacrifice.. It is an abomination..
The story is not literal, but allegorical and metaphorical...

Move on, God is not a man or human being.. God is the personification of divine consciousness..

donnie:
Who are the "they" that created him? Such stupidity! So you don't know that up until the 1500s all the images of the Christ, the apostles and Israelites were black? Look you are alone on that journey of daftness. Black Bantu Israelites were in charge of writing the scriptures. Even Christianity began in Africa centuries before Roma adopted it and used it to conquer the world. The scriptures were seized the the Romans. What the whites did was to whitewash to the scriptures, misinterpreting, minstranslating and using them to deceive us.

Where was your socalled Africanness when Europeans came with mirror, gun and gin and you gave them your land? The whites know we are the people of YAH so they deceived us.

Was it whites that entered into the mosquito infested forests to kidnap Bantus (Isrealites) and put on ships?

We will not be fooled by your so-called Pan-Africanism. Africa is a continent of several nations. YAH chose us Bantus to be seperate special and above all nations. At the end we will see how your gods and goddesses will defend you from missiles and nuclear weapons. Common COVID19, your native doctors have joined you to wear masks.

OK sir

Dtruthspeaker:
You have no right to speak about Mathew and Isaiah, you said they do not exist because they are Jewish histories and a fabrication.

So based on your Biased and Pre-judgded position on the Bible, these things do not concern you and your comments are Prohibited here, for as a child you do not know what you say neither are you in a position to say that it is untrue.

Am I right or wrong?

donnie:
Oya save yourself na... I dey hold you? I mentioned the MESSIAH because he actually did exist. Those who changed his image know that for a fact. I mentioned white Jesus because of the destruction that has done to the minds true biblical ISRAELITES. And he is truly coming again. This slavery will not end until this present civilization is destroyed. You can go on deceiving yourself.

I'm striking at the foundation of this deception. I don't need help form Pan-Africanists. I have a message for just my People. And I'm aware our enemies come in white and black.

continue living in delusions.. They created him in their own image.. It does not concern Africans... We have always saved ourselves from whatever may befall us... We don't look for any Saviour outside of ourselves.. The story is not African.. We understand that God's, and goddesses are laws and principles within us..

Don't educate yourself.. Be there believing the white man's bullshit