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MrPRevailer:
If a person sins, he will take a goat/sheep/bull to the Priest. Confess his sins. The Priest will kill/sprinkle it's blood on the alter of God and upon the person and his soul shall be cleansed from his sin.
Leviticus Chapter 1 to Chapter 6.


Leviticus 11:17
GOD SPEAKING "For the life of the flesh [animal] is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

What if when there is no place to do the sacrifice..like now, there is no temple in Jerusalem....?
Does it mean that God won't forgive?

The covenant between Jezuz and Christians is not found within the Torah, the sacred text of Judaism. Judaism has an established covenant between God and the Jewish people as outlined in the Torah, primarily through the events at Mount Sinai and the giving of the commandments. This covenant has been a fundamental aspect of Jewish identity and religious practice throughout history.

From a Jewish perspective, the notion of a new covenant established with Jezuz does not align with the interpretation and understanding of the Torah's teachings. The Torah emphasizes the importance of adherence to the commandments, ethical living, and the observance of mitzvot as the means to forge a close relationship with God.

Judaism upholds the belief in a direct and personal connection between God and the Jewish people, which is nurtured through the study of Torah, prayer, and the fulfillment of mitzvot. The covenantal relationship between God and the Jewish people has been reaffirmed and sustained through generations

While Christians see Jezuz as the fulfillment of prophecy and the establishment of a new covenant, this theological interpretation differs significantly from Jewish teachings and beliefs. Judaism maintains that the covenant established between God and the Jewish people has remained steadfast and does not require a new covenant to be valid or complete.

Dtruthspeaker:
Says the one who said messiah means "anointed king" and did not understand that he is thinking exactly what John'sdisciples thought when they left Jesus.

Like the people of Nazareth it is your right to refuse His salvation.

What is he saving me from?

Don't you think?

MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself!

According to Daniel the Messiah will DESTROY all the governments {Daniel 2:44} definitely the Messiah will kill a lot of people just as it happened in Noah's day in order to restore sanity on planet earth.
Now how can such action be justified without a global campaign and education regarding how the government of the Messiah will be as man has been used to human rule for thousands of years?

Well you and your Judaists claiming adherents of the Torah that's obsolete are the IDOLATERS here because idolatry is about the worship of what you can't convincingly inculcate in the minds of another person.

You and those Judaists are worshiping what you don't know (Satan) who has blinded you to continue arguing without reasonableness.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have fulfilled that role that's why individuals who are in anticipation of the Messiahnic rule have used God's word to settle all their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vowed never to raise weapons against anyone just as it's written at Isaiah 2:2-4 & Micah 4:1-3

you are calling Gods laws obsolete， what he says it is for ever。。。continue deceiving yourself。
be gladly claiming a cult as GOds plane。。。

Corrections:
The bolded tells a lot about you and your mission.

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Explain to me how a woman becomes pregnant without a mans input？

Dtruthspeaker:
Google says you are lying

messiah
/mɪˈsʌɪə/
noun
1.the promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.
2.
a leader regarded as the saviour of a particular country, group, or cause.



The same thing John's disciples thought and they left before they heard Mathew 24/Revelations.

Comprehension is your biggest problem..

So was Jesus a ruler ...did he save his people from their enemies by leading them in battle like leaders do?


I don't really understand your second paragraph...they left because they is not what God promised them...so John and Jesus where frauds if they existed...

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted shows you just want to remain blind spiritually speaking!

How will the Messiah make peace?

Is he going to turn everyone into robots?

Well the Messiah has come in the person of Jesus Christ and that verse has been fulfilled today by JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES globally.

So expect Jesus anytime from now as he's coming to destroy all opposers of this fine works! Luke 19:27

He is going to bring peace because Gods grace will rest on him..

It is God who promised it.....so God is going to make it happen through the messiah.

Jehovah's witnesses are idol worshippers, they are not obeying Torah.

Jesus is not the messiah...he can never be, because he never existed..

There is still no world wide peace......wars upon wars....

Don't worry yourself, God's favour will rest on the anointed king(messiah)...
When he come, you lot will not need to go from door to door. God will write his laws in our hearts, so they will become effortless to keep...

Dtruthspeaker:
Isn't this what i have always said since I came to nairaland?



Is it not God and His Son Who gave The Law?
Does God not have a right to send anyone including His Son?

And doesn't the bible clearly show that all the people (Prophets) whom God sent did not fulfil the criteria of the Messiah until, He Who is called Jesus Christ?

It is very very clear for all to see and that is why no reasonable person is arguing against this. It is very very clear and indisputable.

Messiah means "anointed king' ...don't loose sight of that...

Solomon was a messiah so was David his father...
But the one he promised them was still going to come through the line of David through Solomon his soon..He is going to bring peace, isaiah said men will hammer their swords into ploughshares and learn of war no more...kingdom will not rise against kingdom...that has not happened..so we are still waiting. He never said his son was coming to die for sins...he has already given them a solution to the problem of sin...confess and forsake, he would forgive...this is all I have been saying. Jesus can't be the promised messiah ...he failed woefully in that regard. And there is no arrangements for a second coming......
I think you should rethink your beliefs....if you are really sincere with yourself..

Ken4Christ:
You are so full of ignorance on this subject.

The verse or passage it's taken from simply means that the presence of the Law created enmity between the Jews and the Gentiles. This is why there were constant battle that happened between the Jews and the Gentile nations around them.

And that same law stood as a wall separating the Jews and the Gentiles. The King James calls it middle wall of partition.

But when Jesus abolished the law of Moses, the wall separating us has been broken and we are now one in Christ.

There is no more special preference for the Jews. We are equal rights before God. We are now fellow heirs and fellow citizens of God's kingdom.

This is the central message of Ephesians chapter two and three.

Did God ever say somebody was coming to abolish his laws?..

Where did the Romans and Greeks get the idea from?

Dtruthspeaker:
He also fulfilled all The other Laws eg loving God, honoured his parents, did not take anyone's wife, did Judgment, upheld the poor in his cause, did not have respect of person etc.

If he fulfilled all..does that not mean that is doable by us....
Is keeping the laws not what determines if we are righteous or not?
Is there anywhere God said his son was coming to change all that?

That is what you have failed woefully to present..

MrPRevailer:
Jesus came to fulfill the law of Atonement.

In Moses law, blood of animals covers sin. Leviticus chapter 1,3,4,5,6
In the new Law, Blood of Jesus washes away sin. Hebrew 9:22

What is Atonement?
State the law of atonement..

Thanks..

The writers of the New Testament argue that they are part of the covenant mentioned in Jeremiah, but they reject the importance of the law, which is a fundamental condition of the covenant. In order to be part of the covenant, one must adhere to the laws.

II Kings 17:13 states that God warned Israel and Judah through prophets and visions, instructing them to repent, keep His commandments and statutes, and follow the entire Law given to their ancestors. By following the laws of Moses, one cannot follow any other teachings.

It is clear from the Torah that God will send a prophet through Israel, and this prophet will urge the people to repent and return to God by following His ways. Every chapter emphasizes that God is angry because Israel has strayed from the Torah and engaged in idol worship. The verse before this one explains why God was angry, as Israel worshipped idols despite God's command not to do so.

Jews are prohibited from possessing items with symbols of idol worship. God dislikes any images of humans, angels, or anything in heaven or hell that may represent Him. If any of these images are used to represent God, it is considered idol worship.

True Torah keepers are genuine followers of God and are completely devoted to Him alone. Those who adopt the practices of other nations are followers, but the warning in this passage was specifically directed towards the nation of Israel, not the nations of the world. Therefore, a Jew must not follow any gods worshipped by other nations.

The true prophet's message is to repent and return to God through the laws of Moses, without claiming any personal credit or advocating for worship or reliance on himself.

Aaron addressed Moses with respect, calling him "my master," despite being his elder brother. Joshua also referred to Moses as "my master" and requested the elimination of those who rebelled against Moses, as it was seen as rebelling against God Himself. The masters of Torah should be honored, but this does not mean they are divine.

One should not rely on others who have learned from a teacher to fulfill the Torah, but must personally pursue the teachings of the teacher. There is a distinction between learning from a disciple and learning directly from the teacher.

Proverbs 3 states that one should not forget the Torah and should keep God's commandments in their heart. The discipline and chastening of God should not be despised, as it is a sign of His love. One should not rely on their own understanding but rather trust in God.

The world to come serves as a reward for fulfilling commandments in this world. Whether for gentiles through universal commandments or for Jews with their specific commandments, everyone has the opportunity to merit the world to come.

Ten generations from Adam until Noah illustrate God's patience, as despite continuously angering Him, the flood only came upon them later. Ten generations from Noah until Abraham show that Abraham did good deeds on behalf of all of them.

David, king of Israel, considered Achitofel his teacher and preceptor. This demonstrates that everyone, regardless of their knowledge, can learn something from others.

There is no honor greater than Torah, and Proverbs 3:35 states that the wise inherit honor. Good comes from God and His Torah alone, as stated in Proverbs 4:2.

In summary, the covenant mentioned in Jeremiah requires adherence to the laws. The Torah emphasizes the importance of repentance, following the laws, and avoiding idol worship(like the worship of a man,like Christians do of je.us).True prophets urge people to return to God through the laws, without claiming any personal glory. The masters of Torah should be respected, as they can impart knowledge, but they are not divine. Trust should be placed in God rather than relying on one's own understanding. The world to come is a reward for those who fulfill commandments. Everyone has the ability to learn from others, and the ultimate source of good is God and His Torah.

Forgiveness of Sin without Sacrifices in Torah .Leviticus 17;11 is cited by Christians as proof that all sins need blood atonement. The problem is this isn’t a rule or mitzvah it’s a statement that blood in the animal is for atonement purposes so don’t eat it! This is about the prohibition of eating blood. Secondly in the Actual laws of sin atonement sacrifices none of these laws involve willful sins. They only speak of unintentional sins.

1 Kings 8:46-50 King Solomon talks of prayer atoning for sin and Hashem forgives.

Isaiah 55:6-7 'Seek the L-rd while you can find Him. Call on Him now while He is near. Let the wicked forsake his way and the unrighteous man his thoughts; Let him return to the L-rd, that may have compassion on him, for the L-rd will abundantly forgive."

Isaiah 43:25 "I, yes I alone forgive your sins for MY own sake and will remember them no more."

2 Chronicles 7:14 "If my people, who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek My Face and turn from their wicked ways, then i will hear form heaven and i will forgive their sins."

Hoshea 14:3 "Take with you words, and return to the L-rd; say to Him; "Forgive all inqituity, and accept that which is good; so will we render for bullocks the offerings of our lips."

Leviticus 17. 1-4. Sacrifices are only slaughtered upon the grounds where the Holy of Holies is at and before the Mishkan, then that human is cut off from Israel and the covenant and it is as if he has blood on his hands .
17;8-10. Any Ger Noahide Stranger who brings a sacrifice and it isn’t at the Holy Temple is also cut off.

Leviticus 4 is unintentional sins and not willful sins and dealing with sacrifices for them.

Ezekiel Chapter 18 contains all you need to know about PRAYER atoning for sin and about how No righteous man can die for the sins of the wicked!
Verses 5-9 says a man who keeps all the Torah is Righteous! A man can be righteous.
Verse 19 repeats that a Man can be righteous if they keep the Torah law!
Verse 21 And if the wicked man repent of all his sins that he has committed and keeps all My laws and executes justice and righteousness, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Verse 22 All his transgressions that he has committed shall not be remembered regarding him: through his righteousness that he has done he shall live. THERE IS NO SACRIFICE NO BLOOD THERE WAS NO TEMPLE DURING THIS TIME!
30Therefore, every man according to his ways I will judge you, O house of Israel, says the Lord God: repent and cause others to repent of all your transgressions, and it will not be a stumbling block of iniquity for you.
Ezekiel lived during the Babylon Exile, the Temple was destroyed, the Jews were in Babylon, not Israel! Zero Sacrifices, Zero Blood! Zero going to the Temple, it was not active and thousands of miles away! Prayer was atonement! Following Torah was the sacrifice!

Non-Jewish King is told by HaShem the following...

Daniel
4:24 Indeed, O king, may my counsel please you, and with charity you will remove your sin and your iniquity by showing mercy to the poor; perhaps your tranquility will last."

Charity and showing mercy to the poor can remove his sin.. The King doesn't listen, he falls, his tranquility doesn't last.

MaxInDHouse:
And what's the essence of COMMANDMENTS?

Yo guide people yo make better choices..

And for men yo live in peace ...

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ God has never spoken to unbelievers about how his worshipers should be called nah!

It's from the mouth of His worshipers that you should find out what they're to be called not the other way around.

So Joseph Rutherford pronounced it but it's JEHOVAH that put it in his mouth that's why only this group has been able to achieve what God promised regarding His worshipers in the last days! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

the people he meant where those obeying his commandments...

not those worshipping an idol...

so you are way off the mark..

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ GOD is not Torah neither is He in any law rather GOD is in the Love, Joy and Peace of humanity.

So if your intellect is restricted to what is written instead of the Love Joy and Peace of humanity then your god is worthless to me!

and you are ignoring Gods only solution on how to achieve it for a human idea...

that's where you keep missing it...

MaxInDHouse:
The problem you're having is those faithless idiots claiming "Jews" because reading, quoting and cursing people due to what is written in a book makes no practical sense if you can't present the benefits of what you're quoting.
Jehovah's Witnesses are performing globally and it's exactly what God promised that's done in their midst.
So you can go to hell with you, your faithless Judaists and your hopeless Torah!

so you will rather be in a performing group that worships an idol

than be counted as one that keeps Gods divine laws and statues...


now i know where you stand..

MaxInDHouse:
From God {2Timothy 3:16} who promised to establish another covenant with the house of Israel {Jeremiah 31:31-34} and it will be taken to all other nations {Psalms 110:3} and many people (that got the message) will say "let's go and worship the God of Abraham" {Isaiah 2:2} and they will use the wise counsel from His Son {Isaiah 9:6} to teach themselves {Isaiah 2:3} and they will successfully settle all their disparities among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:4


So Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Paul got what they wrote from this God as you can see that what He promised is fulfilling today in the midst of a global family of peace loving worshipers called Jehovah's Witnesses! Isaiah 43:10-12

but the new convenient is God writing his laws in their heart, not some body dying on the cross.....

you are just too dishonest..

read read Jeremiah 31 again..

Naijaboy18:
Accept Jesus as what?

as the idol created by Rome

Maynman:
Whose evil?
From where?

Human evil or…..?

man

slawomir:
Damnnn niggar

Waste of time

you will rather use the time to masturbate......

i know your kind..

where do you people get all these bull shiiit from ? still baffles me...

By Gods standard according to his laws....

your relationship with Jesus is idolatry....

i wont not confuse myself with Jesus...i am ok with obeying Gods divine commandments..

GOD planned and executed the whole thing..

he created man
he created woman
he created the serpent
he planted the tree

the writer just wrote the best story

and we are busy knocking our head over it?

what would have been the purpose of life...without death?

This is exactly what the romans intended...

to draw people away from obeying Gods laws. And make them rebels...

now they are against Gods divine laws...


do you people know why the law was given in the first place?

What's the difference between tester and tempter..

AgentNairaland:
You mean I should accept your ignorance?

You are not ready to learn..

When you are...even you yourself will know the difference..

Just continue to wallow in your mud..

Why did your god impregnate Mary when she was already betrothed to joseph..?
Why another person's wife..

This does not make any sense to me and I consider it a big insult on any god at all. This is one of the reason I am not a christian....
I hate such concept of god. Where really did Christian get this idea from?.because it is found no where in the Tanakh.

God is not a man or a human being...

War has come..

Somebody is about to make an entrance..

The identity of which will perplex the world. Love or hate, we must choose... but t a time is want..some will be given.

Then destruction comes suddenly..

Only Russia stands on its way...

War is proscribed for the sons of men, and cleansing takes. Then the promised Messiah steps in and claims his God mandate...

Then peace returns, but the sons of men are reduced by 1/3.


Book mark this..

FrankishKing:
Farrakhan kept Obama's secret and they rewarded him when the Jews have him a plaque calling him the Messiah Unto The World.

Michelle Obama is a man?

That's fresh

budaatum:
You sure love making up stuff to believe, and you just want to be antagonistic for want of better things to do.

Hahahhaha,
What else do you want me to say..

A human that does not have instinct?

Has to be an android...