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My dad married my sweet mother- a cool and calm woman for himself. And today, they're living in matrimonial bliss.

So my prayer is: "Any woman that will come into my life and nag and nag and nag! Oh, may 'APC's wind of change' change her from my direction by fire by force!"

mhisbliss:
have you ever had to go extra mile just to get someone to date you?

Going an extra mile to prove some sort of "you should date me" charade is sheer nonsense!

If I talk to you and you no gree, gerarahere mehn!

WTF!

MOSICATED5:
What is wrong with what she did? I dont understand

Because Mary is a god to the Catholics. They worshiped and adored her more than God Himself.

The problem here is that they are pathetic hypocrites! They are here ranting and cursing Kim, yet they worshiped one work of fiction as long as it is named "Mary".

Why can't they also worship Kim? What's the difference between Kim and the supposedly picture of Mary?

Bia, na which kind yeye fabrication be this one na?
All these people sef desperately seeking for cheap attention. SMH

darbeelicous:
haaah.... Aderola15 can u believe this dude

Aderola15:
Are you minding Splinz? Who no like Berra thing ehn

Iyamm #Teambroke&bigcassava oooo

We gazz enter the place once in a while na... Abi kilo feel Debby?

Big cassava ko... shey una want wound una self ni? Odikwa risky o

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vedaxcool:
In wailing zombies voice. ... Stealing is not corruption

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Sssh! Keep quiet and follow bubu...

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vedaxcool:
It means you clearly did not comprehend what you were reading. ... here don't leave it at the your dealer's joint...

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You need more of it than I do.

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vedaxcool:
Read and comprehend... the persons being referred to here are the secretariat staff. Atleast comprehend first before making harebrained statements that only pleases those who wail for no good reason.

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Who are the secretariat staffs? Are they not part of the government? What role do they have to play in the said meeting?

Okay, you needed attention, and now you've got it. Can you now get lost!?

An2elect2:
This is Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy and the commandment holy, and just and good[/b] Was this what you intended quoting?
From the verse above there is nothing indicating righteousness through the law/works, it only stated that the Law is holy, just and good.

Oh sorry, I thought you were matured enough to understand the passage. I think it has to do with the translation you're using.

Now, aside the fact that translations like NIV has “righteous” on its translation, the word “just” as used here and in other translations is the same thing as righteous. I expected you to understand this much. You can't deny the fact that the Law is righteous, whether you called it just or not, it still means the same thing. The psalmist wrote: “All your words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal” (Psalm 119:160).

Since the Law is also righteous, it then invariably means that those who obey the spirit of the Law are also righteous. It is simple. Just like those who practice such things as fornication, murder, stealing etc, are labeled sinners/unrighteous, those who keep the Law can also be correctly say that they are righteous, by virtue of the fact that the Law is righteous or just!

However, like I've already explained, there's no need confusing faith and works, which is: 1. Accept the sacrifice of Jesus through faith 2. Go forth and show thy fruits/works. I've already made it clear that for the fact that we are all sinners bound under death sentence, there is of necessity, a savior. But I repeat, it doesn't just end in believing in Jesus, for even the demons believed in Him too! (James 2:19). Does it mean they too are saved? No! The distinguishing factor between they that are of God and Satan is their works!

An2elect2:
OK let's look at it. Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Again there is no where in this verse where sanctification is said to also be through the law. Neither does it say the Sabbath law sanctifies those who keep it. It simply says God blessed and sanctified the Sabbath day. ie by sanctifying that day, he set aside that day as a special day for resting. Nothing more.

Of course there's something more, you just couldn't discern it just like you couldn't see the righteousness of the Law. Here's more understanding to show that the Sabbath law sanctifies those who keep it: “Moreover also I gave them my Sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them” (Ezekiel 20:12). How does God sanctifies His people here? Through His Sabbaths!

It is commonsensical. For the fact that sanctification was bestowed on the Sabbath law, it then simply means that those who keep this law are also sanctified. What do they say again—like begets like? Yeah...

An2elect2:
Romans 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God but the doers

True. Not the hearers are justified but the doers.

Let me explain what this means. In doing this I will explain who the hearers and the doers are. You'd be surprised they are not what you think they are! NO MAN CAN KEEP THE LAW.

Your explanation could have make much more sense had it not been the statement in bold. I think admitting the fact that it is the doers of the Law that are justified and not the hearers, and at the same time turning around to say that “no man can keep the law” is contradictory. Yes, for if no one can keep the law, how then are the doers of the Law justified?

That statement would have been a valid one if it was made around BC, not AD. What! If you can't keep the Law, what then were you delivered from, was it not from lawlessness which lead us to death? (Titus 2:14). The Law can be kept! (Matthew 19:17).

An2elect2:
This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.

Guess what they will work out/bear/manifest? What is inside their hearts? And what is inside? The laws of God! They are not working for righteousness but trusting in Christ to live IN them. And when Christ is living in them, the law is upheld automatically.

Again, such statement in bold seems to suggest that a Christian is some sort of a robot—not liable to sin.

Understand. The essence of the Holy Spirit in one's life is to help him/her to keep God's holy, good and righteous Law, since this Law is spiritual. Nothing is automatic here! If it were, Paul wouldn't have talked of the impossibility of bringing back to repentance, those that have fallen away into full scale errors (Hebrews 6:4-6). So going by your understanding, how can those AUTOMATICALLY UPHOLDING the Law fall back into sin? Also, by implication, you're saying that a Christian can't sin again. Do I need to remind you of the danger of such self-deceit? (1 John 1:8 ).

A Christian walk is that of growing and overcoming, and this route is never an easy one (Matthew 7:14). To grow “unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ” (Ephesians 4:13) doesn't depict automatic attainment, but a gradual walk of walking and falling here and there. Though we shouldn't sin, but if we do as humans, we have an advocate with the Father (1 John 2:1).

An2elect2:
The sinner in Christ does not need to go back to the law for righteousness, Christ obedience has made him righteous. And now Christ lives in him.

I don't know what you mean by going back to “the Law for righteousness”, since in fact, Christ who gave us this Law in the first place and called it “holy, righteous and good” has already said He will put this Law into our hearts. The question is: Why is He doing that, since this Law has no righteousness? What is the essence of keeping the Law?

Christ obedience is not your obedience, rather, it is an example to follow His steps! (1 Peter 2:21). Christ could have simply said: “Well, you don't need to keep the Law again, I have done it for you”, when He was asked what to do for one to inherit eternal life (Matthew 19:17). But He said “keep the commandments”. This dismisses any lazy thought of claiming His obedience as yours. Yes, He lives in you not to control your life like a robot but to help and guide you in making right choices as He did when He was on earth! Anything contrary to this understanding means we're not really in control of our senses, but programmed. One can still disobey Christ and sin, hence, the instructions in 1 John 2:1.

Sitting back and claiming Christ obedience as yours is a very lazy mentality. His sufficient grace to you wasn't for idleness but to wage a good warfare and endure to the end for you to receive your reward (1 Timothy 6:12, 2 Timothy 2:3-10, Matthew 24:13, Rev. 2:26). So do you now see that this salvation is only granted at the end, to those who overcome just like Christ did? Can you see that there's nothing automatic about it?

An2elect2:
About Faith and Works. It's true we can't have one without the other but they come in order. One comes first. And Faith it is. Faith before works. Seed before fruits.

Thank you. This is the end of the matter—my contentions. You should have simply spare us the long essay by saying this. Or was I saying anything contrary?

So by your own admission, we must not only preach faith, faith, faith, at the expense of works which is equally important, as doing so is not only deceptive but dangerous. Like you've said, it must be in order—faith and then works. Yes, we must work out our salvation with fear and trembling.

I can say that this discussion was a fruitful one, and we've agreed. So, nice talking to you.