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Christianity Etc › Re: Many Christians Only Know The Law Of Moses But Not That Of Christ by Splinz(m): 4:59pm On Jun 25, 2021

truespeak:
If you are not free from God's Law, that means you are bound to obey it and if God's Law be different from Christ's shall there not be conflict? There shall Surely be, and you shall be torn either ways and the Law that "No one can serve two Masters" shall catch you!

But if the Law of God and of Christ are the same, there shall be no conflict and you shall dwell in peace for you have one Master and one Law!

Paul clearly had one Master and one Law for the Law of Christ is the Law of God Christ being one with His Father, therefore no conflict and no different Laws!

Paul's Text is Legal Text and this is where Law(y)ers are required to Interpret it!

Excellent! Well done.

Christianity Etc › Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 10:55am On Jun 25, 2021

truespeak:
Welcome to the World of the Kobo-addict, you have not seen anything yet!

Please no, that was too much to see.

Christianity Etc › Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 10:46am On Jun 25, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
That is your problem, not mine

Even in this very thread I wrongfully thought that the report of their being 10 Commandments was not True but Splinz showed me the direct proof of it and I thanked him for the corrections.

I can bear witness to this, and others can also bear witness by simply going through conversations on this thread. We know those who are teachable and those claiming to be pro & master.

MaxInDHouse is a prideful fellow who's averse to corrections, and wouldn't mind sinking to abyss than to accept his mistakes. To prove it, one simply need to go through my conversations with him on this thread.

This is someone that in his arrogance, called some of us "novices", of course, to massage his fat ego.

MaxInDHouse:
So let's say we are all following these laws, do you think any of these novices can survive these laws?

So indeed, his problem is PRIDE.

Christianity Etc › Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 10:15am On Jun 25, 2021*

Jman24:
Hahahaha. Max didn't see this coming.

Liars will always be caught unawares.

Christianity Etc › Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 10:12am On Jun 25, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
...Hence, there would be many Worsts and Unthinkable things in here.

Hmm.

You know, I'm here because when I saw Op's topic, one that people rarely talked about because it's not common knowledge, I immediately picked interest and decided to come and share in my own little way.

It's my hope that those who truly seeks the truth and are opened to it will find one or two things edifying in this thread.

Christianity Etc › Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 8:54am On Jun 25, 2021

awitness41:
There can be no transgression without Law (Romans 4:15).

If there is no Law, there would be no difference between lying and truth-telling, they would both only be a valid choice.

If there is no Law, both lying and truth-telling would be equally acceptable morally.

God doesn't think so.

Nor does Jesus.

Thus, there is the inescapable Eternal Law of God, always in our midst, pointing out what is moral and what is not, what is good and what is evil.

No one can escape the Law, they can only keep It or break It.

And when one breaks It, they transgress in sin.

There can be no transgression without Law.

Interesting.

The Ten Commandments of God can be likened to the law of gravity. But unlike gravity, the Ten Commandments causative agents doesn't get to see the effects immediately in most cases. However in both laws, the penalty is automatic and the effects either keeping or breaking one.

As a very good example, let's use Adam. God told him that "for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die". But we see that when Adam sinned, broke the Law, he didn't die that same day or immediately. He went on to lived the rest of his life, just like people are doing today. However, the dice was cast and the penalty activated, and we see that Adam eventually died just like God said.

The law of cause and effect is simple. For every cause there's an effect and for every effect there's a cause. The Ten Commandments is such Law.

Christianity Etc › Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 7:52am On Jun 25, 2021

Kobojunkie:
..you take that to mean the Law is attributed to Moses and not God?

Kobo, c'mon don't be like this. Just a simple question that requires a simple answer, you're beating about the bush, further complicating the whole thing for yourself?

You can do better.

Christianity Etc › Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 12:14am On Jun 25, 2021

Kobojunkie:
I don't get it. What has any of this to do with any of what I wrote there?

What has the "how" of the 10 commandments to do with the story of Mr. A?

Oh, I thought it was straightforward enough. In your story up there, you attributed ownership of the Ten Commandments to Moses by calling it "the Old Covenant Law of Moses's 10 commandments". Based on established understanding, this statement is wrong and therefore gives Mr. A's story a flawed outlook.

So what I mean is: the Ten Commandments, whose Law is it; God or Moses? Who authored it?

Christianity Etc › Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 11:39pm On Jun 24, 2021

Kobojunkie:
Quite!
A short story about Mr A.

His pastor was a close friend of the family and taught doctrines and traditions that included a belief in living according to the Old Covenant Law of Moses's 10 commandments found written of in Exodus 20 vs 1 -17,

Not sure if you're familiar with how the Ten Commandments was given and whose Law it is. But of course, we can find help here:

And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God. (Exodus 31:18)

Kobo, your story is saying that God is the author of what was Moses's Law. Put another way, Moses actually dictated the Ten Commandments while God did the writing for him.

Oh well, thank you very much for your time.

Education › Re: New Oxford Science Academy Accepts School Fees In Cryptocurrency In Kano by Splinz(m): 9:17pm On Jun 24, 2021

Sabiu is a visionary. Such a bold step.

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Christianity Etc › Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 9:14pm On Jun 24, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
Of course!

Can the blind ever see the discrepancies and the disconnection between his comparison?

Shocking things. And I was thinking that I've seen worst.

Really unthinkable.

Christianity Etc › Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 8:09pm On Jun 24, 2021

Kobojunkie:
On another note, I finally got analyzing 6 out of the 10 of the first 613 statutes of the Old Covenant Law against the New Covenant commandments given by Jesus Christ

1. Instead of “I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have any gods before Me.” , Jesus Christ declared that you cannot serve two masters - Matthew 6 vs 24.

2. Instead “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.”, Jesus declared that no harm will come to those who insult Him or God, but only to those who insult the Spirit of God, an act He deemed unforgivable - Mark 3 vs 28 - 30.

3. Instead of "Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day", Jesus Christ declared “The Sabbath day was made to help people. People were not made to be ruled by the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord of every day, even the Sabbath.” - Mark 2 vs 27 - 28, essentially doing away with the need for a holy day.

4. Instead of "Honor your mother and Father that your days may be long in the land that He have their fathers...", Jesus Christ instead declared that only those who abandon their parents and families for His sake are worthy Him and eternity in His Heaven - Luke 14 vs 26.

5. Instead of “Thou shalt not commit adultery.”, Jesus Christ declared that even by simply lusting in your heart, you are already guilty of adultery - Matthew 5 vs 27 - 30

6. Instead of “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods.” , Jesus Christ declared that if you have in your hand something that your neighbor has need of, don't tell him to come tomorrow, give him that which he asked for - Matthew 5 vs 42

Are those the same comandments/rules as the Old covenant 10 commandments?

Jesus Christ gave a new set of commandments to those who will submit to and obey His teachings and laws. Why the need to keep trying to reconnect the New to the Old as if by doing so, you validate this urge to continue in rejection of His commandments ?

Unbelievable. shocked

Christianity Etc › Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 7:08pm On Jun 24, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
that is max for you, he could be shockingly electrical

Humorous.

Christianity Etc › Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 6:45pm On Jun 24, 2021

MaxInDHouse:
God didn't kill David! Rather he was reproved, trouble started in his house and the son that came due to the adultry died. While David continue as King over the people despite his gross misconduct.

Oh no! That's double standard! David broke the Law and should have been stoned to death!

MaxInDHouse:
Whoever is found wanting in any of those laws must be stoned to death

Okay. Here's the thing, old soldier. You have to admit that you deliberately or ignorantly spread falsehood when you claimed that the Law is without mercy and love, since you've admitted that David was forgiven and shown mercy.

This is the only way you can be taken serious.

MaxInDHouse:
So MERCY comes due to the LOVE of God not the Commandments that's showing people what will later happen to those who continue in that practice when God's Kingdom come! Galatians 5:19-21

So what is the LOVE of God? "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous" (1 John 3:4). Love is the commandment and the commandment is love. So therefore, where there's love, there's mercy.

Old soldier, you may have been an ex, but from the look of things, it seems the lies, propaganda and falsehood from the barracks hasn't left you. In fact at this point, it's simply hilarious. cheesy

Thanks Max. I think I've gotten enough.

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Christianity Etc › Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 3:10pm On Jun 24, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
Change of Post! And Proof of the Fact that you can now see that you did not speak well in saying
"Whenever you hear the word "COMMAND" it doesn't have anything to do with LOVE so there is no LOVE in Commandments!"
Case Closed!

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that unfortunate statement, honestly. How can someone say that, moreso a supposed follower of God?

Is he saying that God is unloving when He said we should not steal, kill, covet another's property, abstain from idols etc? Will it rather be a very loving thing to MaxInDHouse to kill, steal, commit adultery with someone else's wife, bear false witness against another, worship idols etc?

It's the height of it. What a dangerous thing to say!

Christianity Etc › Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 2:37pm On Jun 24, 2021

MaxInDHouse:
This verse is referring to Jesus' teachings not the Old Covenant Sir!

Says someone who doesn't know what the OT is and who made it, or who even inspired the verse.

By the way, do you know what happened to David when he broke the Law? I was hoping to hear from you on that. Seems he committed suicide or he was stoned to death?

The one and only MaxInDHouse! wink

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus addressed a Jew who wants to gain everlasting life, whoever has gained the accurate knowledge of the Old Testament will know that it can't give life, that's why Moses told them that the prophet who will teach them how to gain everlasting life will still come {Deuteronomy 18:15-18}.

But seeing all you've written here, you don't seems to have a grasp of what the OT is. Sorry.

Indeed, Moses did prophesied that a prophet will come who will teach people how to gain everlasting life, and that prophecy was about non other than Jesus. We've also seen that Jesus did indeed came and taught, as seen in Matthew 19:16-19, how to gain eternal life.

So tell me, what's really your problem with the truth? I mean, you're averse to it. Could it be a case of indoctrination, cherished traditions, predetermined ideas or all of them? It must be at least one of them. I think at this point, you may want to examine yourself (2 Corinthians 13:5).

MaxInDHouse:
Well you may PRESENT a group of people who are claiming Christians and keeping the ten commandments perhaps there are one or two things everyone can learn from the way they're practicing their own Christianity! Matthew 5:13-16

Hmm. If I do that, will you embrace the truth? What if I'm one of such group, are you saying you can't learn anything from me?

Christianity Etc › Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 11:24am On Jun 24, 2021

MaxInDHouse:
Whenever you hear the word "COMMAND" it doesn't have anything to do with LOVE so there is no LOVE in Commandments!

1 John 5:3 refutes this shameless lie. I don't know how you manage to do it, but...

MaxInDHouse:
In a nutshell the verse you're quoting wasn't referring to the Ten Commandments but Jesus' teachings which has nothing to do with the Ten Commandments.

Let's prove it (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

"If you would enter into life, keep the commandments", Jesus answered a man who asked what he must do to have eternal life (Matthew 19:16-17). And the man, wanting to be sure without confusion like what's going on now with you, asked, "Which ones"?. And immediately, Jesus began to name the Ten Commandments one after the other (verse 18 & 19).

Jesus teachings has nothing to do with the Ten Commandments? Another lie.

MaxInDHouse:
For instance a monthly salary earner whose work is shifting can't determine the day he will be at work because it's fixed on the period of shifts.
So how do you expect him to keep the Sabbath?

Human wisdom.

Have you not read and see how God provided enough bread for His people, to cover what they would have lose for keeping the Sabbath holy?

See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day. (Exodus 16:29)

With God everything is possible (Matthew 19:17).

Please, embrace the wisdom of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 10:10am On Jun 24, 2021

MaxInDHouse:
Whoever is found wanting in any of those laws must be stoned to death, but David was guilty of 6th, 7th, 9th and 10th Commandments.
So let's say we are all following these laws, do you think any of these novices can survive these laws?
Well let them leave Nigeria for Saudi Arabia where strict laws are upheld then they will know what they're ignorantly advocating!
The Mosaic laws doesn't give any room for failure or defaulters {Numbers 15:32-36} that's what Jesus was telling them about MERCY and LOVE!

It's shocking that you're still confusing the Mosaic laws with the Ten Commandments, still not knowing the difference.

Now let's go with your line of thought here:

Whoever is found wanting in any of those laws must be stoned to death, but David was guilty of 6th, 7th, 9th and 10th Commandments.

So when David for example broke the 7th commandment by going in to Bathsheba, was David stoned to death? Oh, perhaps David committed suicide. Or do you by any chance know what happened to him or what he did after breaking that law?

1 John 2:1: "My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous". And "sin is the breaking of the law" (1 John 3:4). So here's apostle John saying, that though he wishes no one to continue in sin (breaking the law), but just in case it happens, Christians are assured of an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ, through whom we can plead for mercy and forgiveness. And we also see that when David broke the 7th commandment, he was neither stoned nor killed, but asked for mercy and forgiveness which God granted him (Psalm 51).

Brother, it's quite embarrassing that you still sees the Law as lacking in love and mercy. Even when God, same God you claimed to know and a "witness" to, is saying, "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome" (1 John 5:3). With the Ten Commandments, there's nothing like burden, grieve and harshness, but love, love and love again.

So quit the cheap blackmails already, you who is no novice but a pro and master of the word.

Christianity Etc › Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 12:58am On Jun 24, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
Thank you. I am properly guided!

In my thorough page by page reading of the Bible which I have never done, i am still at Exodus 19 and I immediately saw that it was the header on 20 which said 10 Commandments meanwhile it was not stated in 20 and because of too many lies flying, I do not believe anything that I previously heard without proper proof and evidence. Thanks.

It's fine. What matters is that we're learning. As for the bold, please keep it that way. The instruction is to "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good" (1 Thessalonians 5:21). So you do well.

Dtruthspeaker:
The bold: I do not like that word "as inspired by God" when Exodus 21 clearly tells us that they came directly God's Mouth as with the other "And The Lord said".

To my mind it sounds like when "God Moves and Motivates a person to act" and not when "He Clearly and Directly Acts!, Suo Moto!"

But is in order.

Like you said at the end, the usage is "in order". Here: "All scripture is inspired by God" (2 Timothy 3:16).

Many thanks.

Christianity Etc › Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 12:39am On Jun 24, 2021*

awitness41:
That's True... there was:

(1) God's Moral Law (the 10 Commandments, founded on the 2 Most Important Commandments).
The Moral Law is as eternal as God is, for where there is good vs evil, evil could not even be defined as evil without Law.

(2) The civil and religious ritual laws for the Jewish society to live by.

So there is the Moral Law and the civil/religious ritual law.

You do well sir.

How I wish they could come to the understanding of these two, and rightly divide them as workmen without shame (2 Timothy 2:15).

It's embarrassing to see some people, each time the Law comes up, grouped it as one and same as the civil and "works of the law" (Galatians 3:10) that governed the Levitical priesthood which was abolished, and then totals it as 600+ laws which must be kept.

It's even more embarrassing for one who claims to be a Christian, to confidently states that a Law like the Ten Commandments has been abolished. I mean how can one be a Christian and does not even know that he/she will be judged by the same Law he claims has been abolished? A Law called the "law of liberty" (James 2:11-12).

Thank you for what you're doing, and to others. I think justice has been done to this thread, and it will be of immense benefit to those who seeks the truth. Well done.

Christianity Etc › Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 4:49pm On Jun 23, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
Yes Sur!

Hope you know that "Worshipping idols" includes the worshipping things? Eg money, rich persons, women, the yearning of rich things eg expensive phones, cars, watches etc (the Crime of Coveting)

Yes sir, I know. Thank you.

Dtruthspeaker:
There is no place in the Bible where it is Written in that God Gave 10 Commandments and what is Written was that "God gave Commandments!"

There is. The Law, as detailed in Exodus 20 and elsewhere, written on two tablets of stone and specifically inscribed by God's own finger (31:18) has always been generally understood to be Ten, both within and outside the church. There's no dispute about it.

Here:

"And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments" (34:28).

I think one critical point about Israel that people rarely pay attention to is that, Israel was a mixture of State and religion; that it practiced theocracy. It was in this theocratic setting that precepts, ordinances, judgments and testimonies as inspired by God and related to Moses, were used in administering civil matters as well as religious activities.

These must not be confused with the Ten Commandments, wherein there's no addition and subtraction.

Christianity Etc › Re: Reverend Paul Obayi, Saving Igbo Deities From The Bonfires (Photos) by Splinz(m): 12:16pm On Jun 23, 2021

Paul Obayi knows that there's no difference between what he has in his church alter as "Mary" and "Jesus" and what chief Ikenga has as "kofi kofi" in his shrine.

Both are ONE and the same.

Christianity Etc › Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 11:53am On Jun 23, 2021

Dtruthspeaker:
They have the knowledge but they love sinning and do not want it removed from their souls.

Therefore, they resist and refuse calls which direct them to remove sins from themselves!

Hmm.

Could it be a case of people not wanting to be told that they're wrong, by pointing out that what they do is against the law? For example, committing adultery/fornication, stealing, profane the Sabbath, killing, worshipping idol etc?

You know, one major problem people have also is that, they don't even know the difference between the Ten Commandment and the "law of Moses". Instead, what you hear often is "600+ laws". If they don't even know what the Ten Commandment is, how will they keep it?

Frankly, it would have been humorous if not for the severity of the matter.

Christianity Etc › Re: God's Moral Law, The 10 Commandments, Existed Even From The Garden Of Eden. by Splinz(m): 7:53am On Jun 23, 2021*

This is the truth. Sadly, many do not have this knowledge and are unwilling to learn either.

Romans 4:15 is a fascinating passage. What the Ten Commandments haters don't know is that for everytime they claimed that this law has been abolished, they're invariably saying that they have no sin. In other word, there's no sin in the world... "For where there's no law, there's no sin".

No human government functions without established laws. And it is also common knowledge that those who keep these laws, the law keeps them. Those who break the law, the law breaks them. But surprisingly, how some people thinks that God in His infinite wisdom can't figure out what puny man in his own limited understanding knows, still beats me, honestly.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is It About The 10 Commandments That Infuriates The Forces Of Wickedness? by Splinz(m): 11:17am On Jun 22, 2021*

elated177:

Going by your assertions, is it ok to say that more than 98% of those who claim to follow and worship Yahushua the Messiah are actually carnal minded and do not have the Holy Spirit?

@Bolded, aptly stated.

By estimation, you're right. And this is of no surprise to those in the know.

Scriptures aside, how many people do you know that keeps the Ten Commandments? Interestingly, those who rejects the law somehow agrees that it is wrong to kill, commit adultery, steal, bow or worship an idol etc, the very things that the Ten Commandments forbids, and they even keep their 'own sabbath' which is wrongfully kept on Sundays or what is called "Sunday Services". Yet to these same people, the commandment has been "nailed to the cross" or kept for them by Jesus. But here's Jesus saying, "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill" (Matthew 5:17).

Throughout scriptures, true servants of God are those who have the holy Spirit, from Old Testament saints down to the New Testament. David prayed, "Do not cast me away from Your presence, And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me" (Psalm 51:11).

So yes, the majority are carnally minded or at best, led by what is called the "spirit of error" or the "spirit who now works in children of disobedience", for those led of the holy Spirit and of God, hears His words and keep His commandments (1 John 4:6, Ephesians 2:2). The righteous delight in the law of the LORD and meditates on it day and night (Psalm 1:2).

elated177:
For as long as they can get away with it, evil people will continue to do evil. They have no single desire to change or repent.

They will eventually repent. "I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh" (Ezekiel 36:26).

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is It About The 10 Commandments That Infuriates The Forces Of Wickedness? by Splinz(m): 9:36am On Jun 22, 2021

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Romans 8:7.

The answer is obvious.

Law breakers, even in human societies, are naturally enemies of the State. They hate both the law and those who makes it, and will do everything to escape justice, until the long arm of the law finally catches up with them. That one keeps getting away with lawless acts doesn't mean the law isn't effective. However, criminals will always be criminals except they repent.

So it's no surprise, neither am I critical of anyone. I mean, how do you expect carnal people to keep a law and commandment that is "holy, just and good"? (Romans 7:12). That's impossible.

To keep a law describes in this glowing terms and qualities which depicts the very essence of God, then the keeper must have an equally essential component, and that missing part is the "holy Spirit". For the law is spiritual (Romans 7:14).

Simply put, the carnal mind does not have the holy Spirit and can never keep the Ten Commandments.

Food › Re: If I Can Do This, Do I Still Need A Girlfriend? (photos) by Splinz(m): 9:36pm On Apr 28, 2021

Carchoice:
Is that aha(pounded yam mixed with red oil) and beans?

Aha is mostly prepared for the gods

Abi na rice and beans be that?

You don’t eat fish or meat?

Are you saying he's our ancestor? cheesy

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Politics › Re: Fayose: "Makinde Looks Quiet, But Deadly" by Splinz(m): 6:35pm On Apr 15, 2021

BerryP:
Quiet people tend to be more deadly than loud people. This is because when provoked, they think people are trying to ride on them because of their quiet and gentle nature. So when they strike, they do so with deadly force.

Secondly, because of their quiet nature, they think a lot and therefore are very creative - they can think of 1,000 ways for you to die

Never try a quiet guy or babe oh. You will meet your doom!!!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Cult Named Jehovah Witness by Splinz(m): 4:08pm On Jan 17, 2021*

Hello sir, greetings.

I'm not a member of that group, neither am I holding brief for them. But let's take a look at some of your accusations.

iyambz:
3. They believe in annihilation. No suffering or torment. No accountability for your sins against God. To refute this, see Isa 66:24 cr Mark 9:44,46,48 kjv). See also Rev 14:11 kjv - the smoke of their torment ascended up for ever and ever.

That's sound biblical truth, for the enemies will be ashes on the soles of the righteous that day (Malachi 4:3, Isaiah 29:5).

Admitted, there are some things hard to understand by those not privy (Matt. 13:11). For examples:

1. Worm that dies not,

2. Smoke ascended forever etc.

Let's look at the second example for instance. Of course you and a great number of others believes this fire will burn forever. But that will never be, the fire will simply burn so far as there's fuel/carcasses in it, and then dies off.

Now, here's a shocker for you. Some people have already suffered this eternal fire. Here's it:

As Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire (Jude 1:7)

Did you hear that? Sodom and Gomorrah is a perfect example of what it means to suffer eternal fire. Now here are the big questions: Is Sodom and Gomorrah still burning today? Is the smoke still ascending? Are the people of Sodom and Gomorrah still being tormented today? Be the judge.

iyambz:
4. They believe that the Holy Ghost is not a person, but an act of force. These guys are sick. The only force a Bible believer is aware of is the one from the devil. To refute this, see John 14:16-17. The Holy Ghost was referred to He/Him, which is a personal pronoun.

If you're tilting towards the pagan doctrine of the Trinity, then sorry, God is not triune.

God is a Spirit, right (John 4:24)? Then it's simple. The Holy Spirit is God Himself, His Person; God is the Holy Spirit! Can you separate a man from his spirit? Are they not one and the same?

So when God sends His Spirit to His believers for example, He is giving them a fraction of His life: His Person. Did He not say that ye are gods? John 10:34.

Certainly, JW are not wrong in these two teachings. However, they have their own errors/false teachings like: Jesus is a created Being, etc.

Many thanks.

Christianity Etc › Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by Splinz(m): 10:52am On Jan 16, 2021*

MaxInDHouse:
There are different kind of people around you, my own kind are only interested in the highlighted.

I see. It speaks volume of your kinds.

MaxInDHouse:
So if you have what interests me then present it [/b]so i can relate it with what Bible said {Act 17:11} [b]if not it simply means i'm not your type!

Honestly, I don't. Yes sir, I agree. I'm not your type.

My types can be summarized in this manner:

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God (Matt. 4:4).

It was nice coming your way. Have a great day.

Christianity Etc › Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by Splinz(m): 10:28am On Jan 16, 2021

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is what i want to know!

You should rather press for the whole truth.

MaxInDHouse:
So are you part of the people who supports the killing of your fellowman because of racism and politics? How many fatherless, widows and orphans have you visited in their affliction in the past? People form groups to promote a notion and actualize it, so do you have a group doing what you quoted zealously and industriously throughout the earth?

If I were you, I'd rather devote my time on finding the truth in order to gain my freedom. I'd rather be on guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees (Matt. 16:6).

Needlessly fixated on a GROUP at the expense of the truth is unprofitable. And what if I were to tell you that I have this group, what is that to you?

So you see sir, don't dwell on what is not important. I expected you to know better.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course you can quote our book but you can't grasp it's meaning that's why you're thinking people can practice whatever religion they feel and still meet up with that requirement without working towards it as a GROUP!

You mean the Bible belongs to your group? Oh wow, you must be a very lucky man to belong to such GROUP. But then, be assured of my own religion like I said earlier.

Regards.

Christianity Etc › Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by Splinz(m): 8:12am On Jan 16, 2021

Hello sir, thank you again for your response.

MaxInDHouse:
There is surely a house of FAITH!
Paul listed the names of people who were partakers of this house @ Hebrews 11:4-32

Of course, yes. And from righteous Abel down to the saints today, all are partakers of that house, with Abraham as the father of the faithful (Romans 4:16, Galatians 6:10).

You don't have to misunderstand Hebrews 11, as supposedly a separate house with a separate reward or previledge of some sort. Hebrews 11 is called a FAITH CHAPTER because:

1. It teaches us what faith is, God's definition (verse 1)

2. It is by faith that the universe for example, did not come out of explosion like some people would have us believed (verse 3)

And then Paul went on to list what is a "great crowd of witnesses" (Hebrews 12:1), starting from Abel and other faithfuls. Why? So that we who are left today may be encouraged to run our race the same way these past saints ran theirs; follow their examples in faithfully obeying God.

MaxInDHouse:
but if your religion never you so please their is no problem it's either you accept it or leave it!

Are you a religious person? Oh well. Here's my own religion:

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world (James 1:27).

MaxInDHouse:
Abraham surely looked forward to a time when pure worship will be firmly established but he never lived to see it

To put it even more correctly, Abraham looked forward to the kingdom of God. He was not expecting it in his time (Hebrews 11:9-10). But of course, Abraham knew his place in the regeneration, i.e, kingdom of God, as the heir of the universe (Romans 4:13).

MaxInDHouse:
Note what the Bible says about the foundation of this city "the twelve foundation stones are Jesus' Apostles" {Revelations 21:14} So Abraham truly looked forward to seeing this spiritual city but he never lived up to to time when Jesus began laying the foundation (choosing the Apostles)

Sorry sir, the foundation stone of the kingdom of God was not laid at the time of the apostles formation. It was prepared right from the very beginning (Matt. 25:34).

Now let's talk of David. He was not among the twelves or was he? But what if I were to tell you that God will raise him up in the resurrection to be a king and the one shepherd to His people, including the apostles? (Jeremiah 30:9, Ezekiel 37:24-25).

The twelves apostles indeed will sit on twelves thrones judging the twelves tribes of Israel in the regeneration, but David will still be their king and one shepherd. See him as a general overseer. That's prophecy and it stands.

So I repeat, whether in faith or rulership, all the saints throughout the ages are partakers.

Many thanks.

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