₦airaland Forum

aribisala0: There is no requirement to develop Landmass. There are several countries where over 90% landmass is unoccupied. Nigeria is similar especially in the North
. You govern people not Land. Most of Siberia in Russia is uninhabited as is the Amazon forest in Brazil and Most of the North of Nigeria.
Even in the south are you supposed to cut down forests to show you are working? I do not see any relevance of Land mass to administrative competence.
Britain has a land Mass less than Western Nigeria and was able to Rule the world from there. So let us jettison this Land Mass idea.
You are required to provide security for humans as well as health,education. So this Land mass argument needs plenty of analysis which cannot finish today. We have heard that it costs 3 times more to build a road in Bayelsa than Kano. The terrain is an equally valid variable as far as governing is concerned but Land mass may be relevant in comparing Governors(i doubt it) but nothing to do with the President or is the president a surveyor or geographer. What relevance is Land mass to the Job OBJ or Yaradua did apart from the fact that OBJ reduced the mass by gifting some to Cameroun. How was Abacha,IBB Yaradua suited to Managing a bigger Land mass. The role of the FG is quite different from state governments. The FG does not provide health for most Nigerians,does not pay teachers,have the power to acquire land compulsorily or have the kind of impact that the state does. The FG's role is primarily to Protect territorial integrity and internal security primarily through already established statutory bodies. For now the priority of the FG should be security,Power and reducing the dependence of the economy on oil and creating an environment that reduces unemployment,cleaning up oil pollution in the Niger Delta/stopping gas flaring and bringing about genuine reconciliation with aggrieved Nigerian groups .
A more relevant point is; Nigeria is multiethnic and does Fashola have the competence to manage the associated complexities and meet the aspirations of different peoples,this is not to say those before him did but if they did not should we repeat the same error. Can he unite our people and be fair to everyone without unduly favouring his own . Most importantly can he convince voters of this. What about the argument that power must return to the North or to Igbos what do we do about that
By the way I do not advocate Fashola for President I just believe that conclusions muct have some logical connection with purported reasoning

You can argue that governors don't govern landmass but people, one analogy is clear, you do not need a longer road to move a larger population through. Lagos is just too small in landmass for one to ignore when rating Fashola's performance against that of other governors. You are quick to point out other qualities needed to govern Nigeria from the centre by Fashola, but Mr OP's thread wouldn't be getting this much attention if he didn't the sell the idea that Fashola is out performing other governors.
What i am here to tell you is that, most of Fashola's project are only looking better and feasible to that of his counterparts because he is not saddled with the task of tarring roads or building rail way lines that spans Hundreds of Kilometres. You can correct me if i am wrong here but most of his projects so far have been either road construction, rail construction or health care ones. From Lekki, Badagry, Reconstruction of Oshodi, Light rail, Ikorodu, to Healthcare projects where the ratio of doctors per thousand citizen has remained virtually the same . . .

You mean there are so many Igbos in The South West region trading and making millions out of those 'poor' Yorubas? Something must be wrong somewhere.

aribisala0: I do not think Fashola will excel as President, Which is what I think should be the topic here because it would appear,judging from those who have been president or military Heads of state that ANYONE perhaps even a goat can rulle Nigeria. Afterall we were governed by a man in a coma from Saudi Arabia who even signed the budget then. land mass and pulation etc as stated above are a red herring and nothing to do with it.

The job of the President in Nigeria is quite different from that of Governor.That a governor does well(if indeed Fashola is doing well) does not predict performance as president but We have never,had a president who did well in my opinion so whether the next president is Aki or PawPaw things cannot get any worse.
There is no way of predicting who will do well but we can easily tell who will not make a difference. We knew OBJ will not make a difference as was the case with Yar'adua and now GEJ many may choose to put Fashola into that category too

The aspect of landmass against population, to me, is the reason Fashola is appearing to be far more effective than some of his colleagues. You can go to Toro LGA in Bauchi state, lay the gross distance of roads tarred under Fashola govt and it may not even cover that LGA alone, but to Lagosians that may actually take care of all the major roads needs of a few LGAs. Lagos state is too unique to be compared to anywhere else in Nigeria the manner most of us are going about it.

Gbawe: .....and Yar Adua had this "experience" from Katsina? Guy, It is ok not to rate Fashola as a future President but it is entirely unecessary to support that stance with totally illogical arguments. I don't know when Nigerians will stop complicating issues needlessly to understand the most important qualities leaders need [b]that they can transfer from job to job[/b]i.e the ability to provide solutions effectively and consistently.

The fact that Yar'adua did not recieve the kind of praise Fashola is recieving goes to show he too was overwhelmed by the size of Nigeria . . . All i am trying to say is that Fashola Lagos state 'exploits' so far shldn't be used to jugde what he will do if given the chance to rule Nigeria. There are governor who tar as much road if not more than Fashola is doing for Lagos but you may never hear of them because of the Landmass they are faced with . . .

[quote author=Malcolm-X]We're not China, and Angola isn't China as well. However, Angola is developing at a faster pace than Nigeria.

With what Fashola has done in Lagos, he should be able to transform Nigeria. Nigeria right now is like Delta state.[/quote]what do u mean by the bold part above?

[quote author=Malcolm-X]We're not China, and Angola isn't China as well. However, Angola is developing at a faster pace than Nigeria.

With what Fashola has done in Lagos, he should be able to transform Nigeria. Nigeria right now is like Delta state.[/quote]

For those of us mapping Fashola's ''acclaimed'' succes in Lagos state to succes if he rules Nigeria, i think you guys are missing a big point. Lagos state, has a small landmass, a large population, and is relatively more industrialized compared to any other state or region in Nigeria. The implication of these features include ease of providing structures that are tied to landmass, population and industries. When you begin to consider that most of Fashola's project like road construction, rail line construction, Transport services and health sector structures are tied to the land mass of a small Lagos state. . . It becomes plain clear that Fashola has never tasted what governing 90% of Nigerias' population or 98.5% of its Land mass is like. Even his Lagos state exploit is grossly overhyped.

Couldn't agree more with the OP. Achebe and his likes are at fault for not attempting to stop the war. . . Instead they decided to go after Pa Awo when they know fully well his position on the war before hostilities started.
Point of correction to Mr. OP, Pa Awo never implemented a 'starvation policy' instead the Nigerian side decided to close its borders to Biafran side, and that is well within their (The Nigerian side) power and right. Let the likes of Achebe come out and correct the wrongs of their youthful days by leading a reconciliation meeting . . . He should know better than trying to sell books on the emotion of the current generation of youths. They 've already wasted one generation trying to consolidate they their grip on power. . . They say "in war and love everything is fair". Pa Awo was justified for trying to sheild an enemy (an act of Love) and also justified for helping to close the biafra acclaimed Nigerian border (an act) in war.

When the police fails us, there is always the O'dua Vigilante group. . . Shame on NPF!

Jarus, i will suggest you round up the planning and fine tuning process so the debate proper can start, afterall it is suppose to be monthly exercise, any major flaw can be corrected in subsequent editions.

torkaka: and you are from Aluu?

no

I see ur signature and it sats those barbarians in "aluu community" need to be wiped off the face of the earth!!, well a uniport student initiated the false alarm fyi

P:-

The North will definitely survive as they can carter for their own food, shelter, and clothing needs. As for their illiteracy level which is affecting their health and quality of life, they can always get around it if they want to, without the help of the south.

Billyonaire: I remember you, January 2012. Yes I remember you. January 2013, I guess we will be 1000 Tablets Crew. Cos PetroSubsidy MUST go!

You were registered on NairaLand on 7th June, 2012 yet you could remember vividly, someone being called a 40 member crew. Hmm... like Billionaire like Beaf.

The whites' perception of black does not justify what is at hand. I doubt this computer science 'prodigy' can write simple codes in any popular programming language.

For those arguing that fuel is still selling above its of price of N97, don't be fooled, even if all the subsidy is removed corruption factor of Nigeria will not gauranty us a fair and stable price. If you think i am lying just look at what Dangote and few top government officials did to cement last year. Nigerians open your eyes.

Good move from SLS . . . especially when you consider the fact that we are "rent seekers" who consume because we just want to and not for the sake of staying productive.

Northern economy is growing u dont no map, northniger grow food more tha n south



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that is why we have bombings . . .the map.
#MindOfMusiwa..,#

Yes oh, Physical policy on ground.

At least we can now see that Akintola still has loyalist spanning the various tribes of Nigeria.

[quote author=one_man]Where are the picture? Are these things in the pipeline or they are already existing. If you go to calabar you we see for yourself and also pictures from people that have been there. If your go to PH, Enugu, Edo, Lagos etc. You will see the development.
Ameachi built the first model school with pipeline plans of employing indians to manage the schools.
Chukwumerije is yet to visit these states. They (senators & reps members) will only blow the trumpet of the state that entertain them best.
Wolves....?[/quote]Pictures of Policies?

ACM10, Where art thou?

redcliff: [size=30pt]IF U SEE THIS MAN;s HOUSE AT OMOLE PHASE II, U would curse yourself for being in the middle class..YOu would even curse urself for being rich cos compared to what he has, u r still poor[/size]

Pictures please, or are you that poor?

chucky234: Fashola pioneered school fees increment when he increased Lagos glorious secondary school(LASU) fees last year,its expected that other universities will follow suit.
Hmmm students paying N120,000 as school fees for all the gbagaun they are being taught,haba its too much na.

I disagree with your logic here, on the contrary, i think they should be made to pay what the govt normally spend on them from the commonwealth of the general masses. It is no new again that the best students hardly gets admitted into public schools anymore. Let them pay and hold their teachers responsible for once. All they sabi na Aluta !

Funkymallam: Oh, you 'campaigned for Okorocha? Bravo.

Have you heard of kwankwaso, Dankwambo and some in the north? You guys think Nigeria is all about the south right?
After all, you only care about the 'centre', as if ACN can do any better with lies and propaganda all over the place.


Talking of Education sector development, osun state have not even gotten to where Imo state and Kano state is compared to the years each have been in office. So, my brother lets drop the trumpet yet.

That comparison will be more balanced if we can extend it to the cumulative pulse of each state against their cumulative achievement. You simply cant blame someone for not utilizing what he/she does not have.

Can we see some of those key Policies in details? No offense please . . . just want to see it myself.

CybrG pls Tell 'em all . . .

THE LOST TRIBE OF . . .

IS LAG REALLY A CITY OR A MET?

I can see u av posted same garbage in your bid to derail the topic . . . carry on. Best of luck

^^^ LAME!
All your slow self had to do was compare Sanusi's write up to the facts on this thread and save yourself from the exposure of slowness!