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Odingo1:
Humans and animals are believed to be created the same period not older from each other by the space of 1 week, while the skulls of Apelike animals are dated to about 3-5 million years ago, the skulls of modern humans are only dated for about 350,000 years ago scientifically indicating a gradual evolution from primitive humans to modern humans.

well it is all speculation, no evidence for it. Carbon dating depends on many assumptions, which might not be true at all, hence the seemed dates incorrect.
Evolution is a belief because it can not be tested just speculations upon speculations.

The gate of hell cannot prevail against the church. God continue to strengthen the chineese Christians.

Jman24:
I'm still asking. If Human judges have the right to kill justly, doesn't it make religion man made?

It would have made more sense if the commandment had said; "thou shall not kill unjustly"
English language is too difficult for you


... by the way, innocent children in the good book were also ordered to be killed so your argument is baseless

you are not bright
Are you discussing religion or God? Which one?
Humans made cars that can move, going by your stupid logic, it means man is a product of cars.

kingxsamz:
Since it's a matter of what he accepts or not, then he can make human sacrifices a law if he accepts it tomorrow. Abi no be so? Or you have issues understanding the question?

God does not change so your assertion is baseless

kingxsamz:
A judge sentences a criminal to death based on the gravity or their offence.
There's no judge who sentences innocent people, especially children to death for a crime they didn't commit. So your question is basseles
The bible contradicts itself. That's the point.

I didn't ask you about the gravity of the offense, how come a judge has right to sentence a guilty to death but you don't have same right?

Odingo1:
How come there was no modern human skeleton that was found that time rather all skulls and skeletons that was found followed a sequence till a modern humans emerged and DNA mitochondria of modern humans are the same with the ones found in this early skulls.

I believe there were creatures with great semblance to humans even down to the DNA level which evolutionists confused to be human ancestors.

Even doctors can abhort a baby when the situation is that both mother's life and baby is at risk if the baby is not abhorted.

These atheists prove to be very stupid and ignorant.
They avoid the questions and begin to straw man.
The only thread they seem to hold is the death of children but I am going to cut that thread shortly

Jman24:
So by implication, religion is man made (your sudden reference to judges), since you avoided my question about God being ok with killing?

Ignorance! According to the Bible man is created in the image of God, what does that tell you?
That some of the characters of humans actually originated from God.
Characters like love, goodness, faithfulness, justice, truth, justice etc are from God.

My friend stop dodging my question why is it that humans judges have right to kill but a lay man have no right?

kingxsamz:
In conclusion: the law "Thou shall not kill" was given to the Israelites.
This same law was broken when the Christian god asked these same Israelites to kill children and babies.
So @Kobojunkie, that's one of the contradictions the op was talking about. Thank you and good day.

thou shall not kill is a universal law even before the commandments was given, was humans knew it.
I asked you a question which you dodged,
Under the constitution of Nigeria
Why do you not have right to kill? Yet the judge has right to kill?

kingxsamz:
Is this you comparing your god to an ordinary human judge?

Answer the question and stop deflecting.

That means he has the right to ask humans to carry out human sacrifices right? Answer.

God does not accept human sacrifice, it is not a matter of 'right' but what God accept or not.
Throughout the Bible except the sacrifice of Jesus, and that is becaue Jesus himself was God not a mere man.

I believe there were other apelike creatures that exist before, that evolutionists are confusing with human ancestors. Macro evolution is a scam.

kingxsamz:
You have only proved my point.
"thou shall not kill" but he commands men to kill children. All you have said is the Christian god can make men break his rules for certain purposes. That right there is the contradiction.



But he can command men to kill babies right?
Same thing Herod did.
So killing children is now better than raping them and doing human sacrifices?
You Christians never cease to amaze me.

Why do human judges have right to kill but ordinary man on the street does not?

God has right to take any life he wishes because all life belongs to him but Herod owns no life.
The reason why murder is a sin is because no one has right to take a life that he did not own.

kingxsamz:

I didn't say it had anything to do with it.
I'm asking, why does Exodus say "Thou shall not kill",only for the Christian god to order men to kill innocent children? Isn't that a contradiction? Or you want to lie to yourself?

It's like saying "Thou shall not engage in human sacrifices" only for the Christian god to command people to carry out human sacrifices.
It's like saying "thou shall not rape", only for the Christian god to command men to rape children. Please do justice to my question. Thank you.

The Christian God can never command rape or human sacrifice.
All what God did was to minimize evil on earth.



There is no contradiction, God is the law giver and the enforcer of the law.
A judge has the power to pass death sentence upon a man But you don't have such right.

Thou shall not kill, does not include God the law giver, God is not under any law whatsoever. God is righteous to execute A wicked nation. The death of those children or babies is to prevent such wickedness from spreading from generation to generation,
Whatever God is in righteousness.

Before the coming of christ the method God used in minimizing evil is to cut the source off, but since christ has come, Jesus is God's solution for sin, God now command every man to repent and believe in Jesus.

Jman24:
So God can use people to kill other wicked people and it's okay by him?

when Judges sentences murderers to death, is it is OK for executioners to carry out the murder?

kingxsamz:
Okay bros. How about this?
Let me see the excuse you'll come up with.

Exodus 20:13
Thou shalt not kill.

1 Samuel 15:3
Go and attack the Amalekites and completely destroy everything they have. Don't leave a thing; kill all the men, women, children, and babies; the cattle, sheep, camels, and donkeys.”

1 Samuel 15:3 is God bringing retribution upon the amelekites it has nothing to do with Exodus 20:13.

God can destroy a nation if they depart from righteousness.

Mehh this fruit that year, it was called ebelebor, fruit, fruity.

Nellyfrancis157:
If the Bible was divinely inspired then why would it have so many contradictions?

1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works
Gen 6:6

before Gen 6vv6 something entered God's creation which is sin.

2. God dwells in light
1Timothy 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1kings 8:12, PS 18:11, PS 97:2

God does not dwell in darkness rather psalm 18:11, 97 is metaphorically referring to the mystery of God's presence.

3. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24, PS 139:2-3
God tries to find out what is in their heart
Deut13:3, Deut 8:2, Gen 22:12

God does not try to know man's heart rather he tries and searched out his heart, which means he expose and judge the heart of man.

4. God is just and impartial
PS 92:15, Gen 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25, Ex 20:5, Matt 13:12

non of this scriptures says God is unjust.

5. God accepts human sacrifices
2Sam 21:8-9 &14,Gen 22:2, Judge 11:30-32
God forbids human sacrifices
Deut 12:30-31

If you are talking of jahpeth, God never command him neither did scripture say God received it, there is no where in the bible where God commanded human sacrifice, God forbade it in Israel.
Isaac was never sacrificed, it was a test to Abraham.

6. God cannot lie
Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy: he sends forth lying spirits to deceive
2Thes 2:11, 1Kings 22:3, Ezek 14:9

God didn't lie, the spirit of lie that came up was an evil spirit, God permitted the evil spirit to decieve Ahab because Ahab loved false prophecies, God himself revealed the truth to Micah to tell Ahab that it was the spirit of lie that influenced the false prophets.

7. Christ taught non-resistance
Matt 5:39, Matt 26:52
Christ taught and practiced physical resistance
Luke 22:36, John 2:15

Christ never used sword, Jesus telling his disciples to get a sword was symbolical.

8. Public prayer sanctioned
1kings 8:22,54. Ikings 9:3
Public prayer disapproved
Matt 6:5-6

matt6:5-6 was referring to private prayer not public prayer.

9. Adultery forbidden
Ex 20:14, Heb 13:4
Adultery allowed
Num 31:18, Hos 1:2; 2:1-3

Adultery is not allowed, but an adulterer can be forgiven if he or she confesses and turn away from it.

10. John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
John 1:43, John3:22-24
John was not in prison when Jesus went to Galilee
John 1:43, John 3:22-24

Jesus went into Galilee many times both before John was sent to prison and after he was arrested

NOTE: I'm a Christian and I believe the Bible, but I just want someone to explain and make me understand why there isn't any mistake in the Bible with all these facts from my research

I hope these help you

God created the heavens and then expands it.

Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.


This is even before the big bang and the evidence that space is expanding.

Rosement:
Though, we cannot intervene in his marriage or make decisions for him but I will advise him to be wise. Sometimes, we allow ourselves go through unnecessary pains while there are smart solutions to my problems. He has to find out what is really going on, he is a man, he has feelings, he cannot just sit around waiting.

What if his wife is cheating on him or she is no longer interested and she has decided not to come back to him but she doesn't want to break his heart by telling him? He has to ask for her plans, when exactly does she plan to see him again? To discover what is going on he can also investigate if he has the opportunity.

Matthew 5:32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.

1 Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

I think this right here is what he should do.
He need to know if she is still interested in the marriage.

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Workch:
how does entropy show that matter is not eternal?
You better study carefully before answering this question because you have started talking like illiterate again.

Usable energy will be zero, so that makes energy not eternal. Do you have a working brain?
Do you understand how entropy works in a closed system?

For you to conclude energy is eternal you must have all the evidence.
Do you know the Noether's theory? It proposes that the conservation of energy is a function of symmetry. Any departure from this would simply mean the conservation law would not be hold.

That energy is conserved today does not mean it will always be.

Nothing is absolute in science

Workch:
Yes, according to what we know for now.

For now the evidence is that the universe has a definite beginning and its expansion is accelerating with no sign of stopping or reversal.

Workch:
The universe is a closed system

Yes it is considered as a closed system

TenQ:
I dont know about Noether's theory however, I certainly believe that
1. Matter and the current laws of Physics came into existence after the big bang
2. Since the big bang, entropy has been increasing
3. This increasing entropy show that the universe has an end...and if the universe has an end, it cannot be eternal. It takes a constant universe for it to have been eternal
4. The laws of physics break down before the big band and after entropy is maximum.

I dont think the laws of physics could have arisen out of nothing. There must be a prime mover who is infinitely powerful, timeless, immaterial and eternal who set the universe in motion. Christians will call such a Prime mover God.

yea! Correct

TenQ:
Entropy show that Matter is NOT eternal
Energy of course should be eternal only that USABLE energy will be zero

Well it would only mean that usable energy is not eternal, and since non usable energy is useless in terms of doing work, does it not mean that there must necessarily be a cause to the existence of the universe?
Again, what do you say about Noether's theory, that suggest that the Law of conservation of energy is only a product of symmetry?

There was a female physicist that proposed a theory called the Noether's theory.
This theory suggested that the Law of conservation a is a law of symmetry.
Which means the law of conservation is only on a condition of symmetry.

Therefore to assume that energy/matter is eternal is to assume one knows all the conditions even before the big bang.

Ammishaddai:
[s][/s] You're still talking ignorantly. Newtonian mechanics and thermodynamics have proven this over and over again and have simulated this to the universe . Which is why I said the universe is a close system mumu

Take your stupidty out of my thread

the law of thermodynamics says we are running out of ‘usable’ energy that can not be replaced. Therefore, there cannot be infinite energy. Also, we also arrive at the conclusion that the universe and energy must have had a beginning, and must have an end. If the universe was always existent and never had any origin point and was eternal itself, we would have run out of usable energy an infinite amount of time ago. So therefore, we have limited energy that must end, and the energy itself cannot be infinite or eternal because that means it would have always existed, and if it were always existent, our finite energy would have been depleted over an infinite time span.

Image123:
How does this relate to the religion section? They go soon tell us say matter is Omniscient and Alpha and Omega. Comedians.

they already did

Ammishaddai:
The universe is a closed system. So where does the mass in it escape to ? Can you see you're a small boy...

Do you have an account of all the mass in the universe?

Your are ignorant! The universe is considered an isolated system not a close system

To assume the Law of conservation of matter and energy to be true in a universal scale is to assume the universe to be a closed system, which itself creates bigger problem such as the boundary of the universe and what exist outside the boundary of space.