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I am an atheist. Why should I consider becoming a Christian?
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If you consider yourself an atheist with a sincere interest in truth, there are several things about Christianity we feel are critical to understand. Also, please note that, as a Christian ministry, we have no reason to defend other religious beliefs; so this article deals solely with the biblical Christian faith.

Truth matters, regardless of beliefs.

Integrity is a most important point. You as an individual should be able to explain why you accept or reject some particular view of the world. And your explanation should reflect the actual beliefs in question. This requirement applies universally, even if you prefer to define your atheism as merely “a lack of belief.” We mention this because distortions of religious belief tend to drown out the real thing. It’s common to hear descriptions of Christianity that are profoundly divergent from what Christians actually believe.

In other words, you can’t honestly say you’ve considered the message of Christianity unless you actually know what that message is. Dismissing the existence of George Washington on the basis that stories about him throwing a silver dollar across the Potomac are myths isn’t good reasoning. We cannot allow a caricature to crowd out actual facts and then make a judgment based on the caricature.

We are not suggesting that all atheists are uninformed. On the contrary, we acknowledge that many atheists can articulate the Christian position accurately. However, in our experience, many more self-professed atheists, when asked to give an explanation of Christianity, present a cartoonish view. If we are belaboring this point, it’s only because misrepresentations of Christianity are so often a key component of atheists’ arguments.

Christianity rejects “blind faith.”

Many atheists struggle with the idea of “blind faith,” but the claim that Christians are called to “blind faith” is simply untrue. There is no place in the Bible where human beings are told, “Believe this, just because.” This misunderstanding is due to a mistaken definition of faith. The Bible’s view of faith is best described as “trust.” This is certainly different from “proof,” but faith is never presented as belief without evidence or against all evidence. In fact, the Bible consistently points to historical events as the basis for our faith (Numbers 14:11; John 14:11).

Consider that “absolute proof” is actually rare in human experience. There are virtually no circumstances where anyone has the ability to prove—mathematically, logically, infallibly—anything before he acts. Does this mean we cannot act? No, but it does mean we are constantly acting when we have good reasons but not absolute proof. That, in a nutshell, is the “faith” that the Bible calls for. Rather than calling us to place faith—trust—in the world or other people, Christianity calls on us to place faith—reasonable trust—in God and His message to us.

As an atheist, you exhibit “faith” of this kind every day. The difference is in the object of that faith, not in the substance. You exhibit faith—reasoned trust—every time you sit on a chair without first checking it for stability. You exhibit faith every time you ride in a car without performing an exhaustive inspection. You act on faith whenever you eat food cooked by other people or take medicines provided by a doctor. You cannot have absolute proof that any of these things are reliable, each and every time. But you can have good reasons to trust in them.

Ultimately, you place the same “faith” in your view of the world, atheism. We ask you to consider the fact that, no matter what you believe—or do not believe—you cannot claim to have “proof.” Not in an absolute sense. The reality of human experience is that we cannot know everything. We have no choice but to act in trust—faith—based on what we have good reason to believe, even if we can’t prove it. Christianity is not an escape from reason or a freefall into blind faith. In fact, it’s exactly the opposite: a truth that draws even unwilling converts on the strength of evidence.

Christianity is uniquely tied to reason and evidence.

The Bible is unique in its approach to reason and evidence. Even Jesus Christ appealed to evidence when He was challenged. In John 5, Jesus acknowledges that others won’t—or can’t—believe what He says on blind faith. So He offers three lines of evidence as reasons to trust Him: human testimony, observations, and written records (John 5:30–47). The earliest believers constantly referred to facts and evidence as support for their message (1 Corinthians 15:13–14; 2 Peter 1:16; Luke 1:1–4).

God doesn’t ask us to follow Him blindly (1 Thessalonians 5:21) or ignorantly (Acts 17:11) or without doubts (Jude 1:22). Rather, Christianity offers reasons to believe: evidence in nature (Psalm 19:1), in science (Genesis 1:1), in logic (Isaiah 1:18), in history (Luke 1:1–4), and in human experience (Romans 1:20–21; 1 Peter 5:1). Our website has a large amount of material on each of these areas of evidence.

Modern atheists frequently point to “science” as a catch-all counter to religion. It should be noted that, without a Christian worldview, what we call “modern science” would be impossible. It wasn’t until a culture approached the universe from a Christian perspective that the modern scientific method was born. Science as we know it assumes that the universe is rule-bound, repeatable, knowable, and subject to human manipulation—all of which are uniquely theistic (particularly Judeo-Christian) concepts. Atheism, like modern science, can co-opt those tenets, but they all flow from a theistic worldview.

Also, it bears mentioning that interpretation is not always the same as fact. This is as true in religion as in science. Rejecting or disproving one particular facet of a belief system doesn’t necessarily mean the entire idea is wrong. It might only be that particular idea that is in error. Non-fundamental doctrines, such as the age of the earth, are ultimately secondary to the core message of Christianity. The so-called war between science and religion is truly a myth.

Christianity has the support of experience.

It’s important, at least for the sake of argument, to consider what happens when people actually apply a particular philosophy in the real world. Naturally, no two people have exactly the same understanding of how to live out a specific idea. And people often do things completely contradictory to their stated beliefs. Yet it’s possible to look at world history and see which ideas seem to work and which do not.

Beliefs have consequences. Atheism, like most worldviews, has no particular reason to consider human beings valuable, equal, or meaningful. Just as modern science owes its existence to theism, so too do the concepts of morality, democracy, and human rights. The positive impact of Christianity is clearly seen in history and in current events. The ideas of equality, self-governance, social welfare, and so forth are all rooted in Christian heritage. Even today, cultures with a Christian background are overwhelmingly ahead of non-Christian cultures in the various moral issues most atheists find meaningful.

Popular culture frequently takes the position that Christianity is a philosophy of abuse. Consider the claim that “religion causes war.” According to secular scholars such as Charles Phillips, Gordon Martel, and Alan Axelrod, religious motivations only factor into about 6 or 7 percent of all the wars in human history. Remove Islam from consideration, and that number drops by more than half. In truth, Christianity’s emphasis on compassion and peace has done far more to prevent and soften violence than it has to inspire it.

If you’re an atheist who rejects Christianity on the grounds that it’s anti-science, blind faith, or abusive, please reconsider the evidence. Those accusations are based on false narratives and caricatures. Comedians and celebrities can repeat them ad nauseam, but that doesn’t make them true.

Atheism means Christianity is worth consideration.

If the practical effects of a belief system matter in a culture, then they also matter in one’s personal life. Atheists of all stripes throughout history have pointed out a major problem with atheistic thinking: nihilism. Belief in pure naturalism or the complete lack of any deity has logical implications.

Force of logic leads atheists to reject objective morality, meaning, purpose, and so forth. This is a dominant struggle in atheistic philosophy: how to stave off nihilism or cope with its implications. This is the reason atheism, more than any other worldview, has lent itself as justification of the atrocities of dictators.

Ironically, this means that atheism itself presents good reasons to at least consider the Christian worldview. Why? If there is no meaning, purpose, or ultimate plan, then we might as well choose the worldview that leads to the best results: one that provides intellectual satisfaction, personal fulfillment, meaning, order, and morality.

The best possible option—the one that leads to the best results—is Christianity. Not that this makes Christianity true by default or that anyone can convince himself against his own will. But it’s at least a reason to take the claims of the Bible seriously. And, of course, Christianity deserves better than a shallow, meme-driven, or cartoonish approach. Atheist pundits have sometimes spoken of acting “as if” there is meaning when they “know” there is none. In that context, it’s hardly unreasonable to nominate the Bible as a reasonable option for voluntary belief.

Christianity offers hope and meaning.

As you’ve seen, our view of Christianity is in no sense driven by “wishful thinking.” We firmly believe that reason, logic, and evidence are important aspects of a vibrant faith. At the same time, we acknowledge that intellect and reason are not the complete picture of human experience.

Every person has his own reasons for his beliefs or lack thereof. Often, these reasons are more emotionally driven than we’d like to admit. The message of the gospel is not one human beings instinctively prefer. But, once a person truly understands the biblical Christian worldview, the caricatures and myths fall away, and what’s left is compelling and powerful.

To you, the atheist, we’d respectfully like to summarize that biblical message as follows:

God loves you so much that He made a way to be forgiven for every sin, so you can spend eternity with Him. The Bible says that each person needs to be saved (Romans 3:23), each person can be saved (Romans 1:16), and God wants each person to be saved (2 Peter 3:9).

What separates us from God is sin. No matter how good we think we are, we are all guilty of sin (1 John 1:10). Since God is absolutely perfect, everyone deserves to be separated from Him forever (Romans 5:16). No amount of effort, good deeds, money, talent, or achievement is enough to take away this guilt (Isaiah 64:6). Fortunately, God doesn’t want us to be separated from Him, so He made a way to fix what’s broken (John 3:16–17).

That one and only way is through faith in Jesus Christ (John 14:6). God Himself came to earth as a human, living a perfect and sinless life (Hebrews 4:15). He willingly died as a sacrifice to pay the debt for our sins (2 Corinthians 5:21). According to the Scriptures, anyone can be “saved”—forgiven by God and guaranteed heaven—through faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 10:13). This isn’t a call for blind, ignorant belief (Acts 17:11; 1 John 4:1). It’s an invitation from God to submission and trust (James 4:7). It’s a choice to let go of everything else in order to rely entirely on God.

Christianity still has more to offer.

We fully understand that no single article, answer, or conversation can completely cover every possible detail. There are thousands of legitimate questions and concerns related to the Christian faith. We respect all people, including atheists, who are willing to seek truth in depth.

Even if you don’t think that Christianity is true, we sincerely hope you’ll continue to learn more about it. You have nothing to lose. At the worst, you’ll have a more accurate understanding. At best, you’ll come to realize what so many other skeptics have: that Jesus is, in fact, the truth.

Jackanda1:
Good morning.
I will be very brief with my story.

I was a staunch Christian before; born again, holyspirit filled and an evangelist. I wasn't a weak or a baby christian, God bares witness.

In 2014, my frequent visit to this site and following the founder caused me to loose faith. Of course I did not denounce religion in a day. It took time.

It came to a point that I began to question things, doubt all the experience i had as a Christian. To me they were all hallucinations , product of imagination and mental chemistry . In summary, I became a militant atheist.

Until 2019,strange, weird and sinister things started happening to me which i would not describe here, I don't want to start a debate. So i had enough sence to know that this things weren't scientific. It was then I started going to churches and meeting pastors, when they prayed for me, this things will end overtime another kind of problem begins. So I have to constantly seek for prayers.

If you are an atheist reading this, I want you to know that the world is not just physical, there is more.

OK, my problem is, I have been trying to get back to God, attending church frequently, praying, reading the bible but everything seems dead to me. I have said the prayer of salvation a thousand time but i just cannot have faith or believe again.

Have I committed the unpardonable sin, is it impossible to get back to God again according to Hebrews 6:4-8?

Perhaps God is speaking to your heart.
A man that has committed the unpardonable sin does not desire God or repentance anymore.
Spend your time read the book of John,
After reading Jesus words ask yourself, If you believe Jesus every bit, that he is the Son of God and can give eternal life to anyone who believe him.
Ask yourself if you have anything to lose if you believe Jesus words, what if you don't believe what would you lose?

Atheism just tells you this short life on earth is all there is,
With Jesus you have eternal life, a life that extends beyond this life for eternity.

Jesus present a God who love you enough to lay down his life for you.

Yes the world is evil full of pain, wickedness and hardship the bible teaches that God has a plan right from the garden of eden, that plan is in Jesus and that plan would finally be fulfilled in Revelation.
In summary, Christianity teaches that your life has purpose and meaning, and there is God who plans your good but atheism teaches a meaningless life, reject the idea of a Creator which we know that something cannot come from nothing, till today there are unsettling discovering in the scientific world that seem to show there is a creator.

With al these in mind which do you choose?

I think God has not abandon you but is still torching your heart please do not ignore it

Saintmary:
May God give you more strength.

I hope you know that things are about to get worse. The devil is spreading unbelief in copious amounts and thousands of people will fall away.

Only by the Grace of God will we make it. And also the days will be shortened for the elect's sake. He that has an ear, let him hear.

Nevertheless, there are lots of God's children who are still untainted by this corrupt world.

In a short while this currencies we are carrying about will become useless, don't be caught unawares.

Please pray for more Grace for yourself and your loved ones. Pray more.
God help us.

Thank you. I am not speaking because of myself though.

PastorAIO:
I will admit that my knowledge of Hebrew linguistics and system is very limited. Though I have reservations, I'm willing to presume that your knowledge is superior to mine. Can you show us examples that God doing something and God allowing something is the same thing in Hebrew language and system?

For example, in the bible it is said that God created the world. Perhaps all he did was to just allow the world to come into existence. Maybe the universe came into existence as theorised in the Big Bang Theory and all your God did was sit by and let it happen. This will tally with the atheists who say that god is not necessary to explain the world or anything in it, and the more you know about the world the less you need rely on God as an explanation.

The more you know about the world the more you know there is God.
There are many verses in the bible that made it clear that God created the heavens and the earth himself and alone.

Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

Isaiah 51:13 And forgettest the LORD thy maker, that hath stretched forth the heavens, and laid the foundations of the earth; and hast feared continually every day because of the fury of the oppressor, as if he were ready to destroy? and where is the fury of the oppressor?

Job 9:8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

All these and many more shows that the creation was yahweh's work which He did by himself and alone.

PastorAIO:
I did not ask about the reasons or the motivation that caused yhwh to give such horrendous laws to his supposed people.

A thief is a thief is a thief. Of course different thieves have different reasons for stealing. Some are hungry. Some are greedy. Some just have psychological problem aka kleptomania. etc etc etc

At the end of the day, regardless of the motivation, tiff na tiff.

Yhwh gave the Israelites commands to sacrifice their first born sons. This is a fact, an undisputed fact. If you later want to go into the reasons why and try to rationalise the evil and dastardly act that is a different matter. But at least I'm glad that you have come to admit that such a command was given by Yhwh. Well done.

In the Hebrew world view, when God allow something to happen then it is said that such is from God because he allowed it, I think you should take classes on Hebrew linguistic and system, your ignorance is obnoxious.

PastorAIO:
exodus 34

The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock.

So where does belong to me translate to use them for burnt offering?

PastorAIO:
It is done with love, sir. I just wanna get this message out. I can't force him to accept but the more he interacts the more opportunity I have to explicate.

Both of you are in Delusion!

PastorAIO:
why don't you do the honours and quote whatever you think is relevant for us to peruse? After all you have been quoting passages at me since I've started interacting with you.

Ezekiel 20:5 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when I chose Israel, and lifted up mine hand unto the seed of the house of Jacob, and made myself known unto them in the land of Egypt, when I lifted up mine hand unto them, saying, I am the LORD your God;

20:7 Then said I unto them, Cast ye away every man the abominations of his eyes, and defile not yourselves with the idols of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

20:8 But they rebelled against me, and would not hearken unto me: they did not every man cast away the abominations of their eyes, neither did they forsake the idols of Egypt: then I said, I will pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the midst of the land of Egypt.

20:11 And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.

20:13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.

20:24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.

20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

Those laws that were nor good were not yahweh's laws for the rejected yahweh's laws therefor he gave them laws that were not good.
In the bible especially the old testament anything that happens is always regarded from God whether good or evil, that is because God is the final authority.

The authority for anything to happen is from yahweh.
The reason yahweh allows Israel to fall into such evil laws is because they rejected the good laws that belong to yahweh.

I don't know the difference you are making between judicial and ritual nor why you consider them mutually exclusive. Perhaps you can explain further.

But the bottom line is that Jesus was a sacrifice, not just a sacrifice but a sacrifice modelled on the ritual slaughter of lambs and cattle. After all why do you call him a sacrificial lamb. But he wasn't a lamb though, was he? He was a human sacrifice.

maybe you should also say we eat human flesh and drink human blood because Jesus said except you eat my flesh or drink my blood you cannot have eternal life.


John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

Jesus was a sacrifice, not regarded as a ritual sacrifice.
Ritual sacrifice is a religious sacrifice done to please a spirit or deity.
Judicial sacrifice is a voluntary action taken by a person to take the punishment of another.

Jesus was not offered by any human being as a sacrifice to God instead he was killed by unjustly as a criminal because they thought Jesus was a threat to national peace.
For example a political activist who die in prison can be regarded as a sacrifice for freedom it does not mean it was a ritual sacrifice.

PastorAIO:
Oh? And not because all first borns belong to yhwh and anything that openeth the womb must be burnt as an offering to him?

So then, pray tell, why did the hebrews offer the first crops and the first animals of their flock?

All firstborns belong to God, of course.
Where does it day all that openeth the womb is for burnt offering?
The offered the first crops and animals because they meant meant the specification for sacrifice.
Don't dodge that question? Answer it, where was it stated that all that openeth the womb is for burnt offering?

PastorAIO:
This how you know redactions and revisions are taking place. They can not be consistent but they keep contradicting each other. Now you say that the first borns are redeemed from doing priestly work Abi?
But just a while a go from the other side of your mouth you quoted the folllowing:
Exodus
13:15 And it came to pass, when Pharaoh would hardly let us go, that the LORD slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the firstborn of man, and the firstborn of beast: therefore I sacrifice to the LORD all that openeth the matrix, being males; but all the firstborn of my children I redeem.

So which is it? Is it because yhwh prefers levites as priests that they are redeemed or is it because yhwh killed all the first borns in Egypt?

It sounds like fabricated excuses. I've learnt in life (this could even be a definition of truth) that the 'Truth is what people speak when they think they are talking about something else entirely'.

This passage remains unchallenged:


EZEKIEL 20:
25Moreover, I gave them statutes that were not good and rules by which they could not have life, 26and I defiled them through their very gifts in their offering up all their firstborn, that I might devastate them. I did it that they might know that I am the LORD.


These passages do not tally. Either you redeem the first born from being a priest. Or you redeem him from being killed like the Egyptians. Or you don't redeem him at all and you sacrifice him. These 3 things cannot all be true. Evidence suggests that the Ezekiel passage is what actually happened and the exodus passages were redacted later.

Israel is God's firstborn son God killed every firstborn of the egyptians because of the way they treated his own firstborn, and because Israel is God's firstborn they are to dedicate their firstborn son to serve God as a symbol that Israel God's firstborn is to serve God.

PastorAIO:
I'm happy to keep repeating the evidence as long as you keep pretending not to see it. yhwh himself admits that he gave commandment to sacrifice their firstborn.

EZEKIEL 20:
25Moreover, I gave them statutes that were not good and rules by which they could not have life, 26and I defiled them through their very gifts in their offering up all their firstborn, that I might devastate them. I did it that they might know that I am the LORD.



I thought you were a christian. possibly not. Okay let me explain the christian doctrine to you. Jesus is a sacrifice that cleanses humanity of sins and makes humanity acceptable to yhwh.

Ephesians 5
2 And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.


In fact the ritual sacrifices of previous times are supposed to be an inferior version of the ultimate sacrifice which is Jesus.

Ultimately it is a human sacrifice without which yhwh cannot or will not forgive his followers.

Why don't you quote from Ezekiel chapter 20 vv1? Why are you afraid? Be bold like a man.
Like I said Jesus sacrifice is a judicial one. The judgment was against us because of our sins but Jesus took the punishment for our sins, and also Jesus sacrifice prove the depth of God's love for us.

Concerning redeeming the firstborn of Israel.
The following verses shows the reason how and what lead to it.
Numbers 3:40 And the LORD said unto Moses, Number all the firstborn of the males of the children of Israel from a month old and upward, and take the number of their names.

3:45 Take the Levites instead of all the firstborn among the children of Israel, and the cattle of the Levites instead of their cattle; and the Levites shall be mine: I am the LORD.

3:46 And for those that are to be redeemed of the two hundred and threescore and thirteen of the firstborn of the children of Israel, which are more than the Levites;


Originally all the firstborn of Israel were meant to serve at the temple, but God choose the levite instead and for this reason every Israelitie firstborn must be redeemed from this service failure to do so would logically mean they will have to serve till they redeemed themselves.

PastorAIO:

Way yiz bah means ritual sacrifice. Full stop.

If you know of any source where that word is used to mean anything other than sacrifice please present it to us. And stop making things up as you go along.

It was done on an altar, the more reason to realise that it was a ritual killing.

And it is also worth noting that these altars were dedicated to yhwh. Just like the temple was dedicated to yhwh. There were many high places in Israel where yhwh was sacrificed to before the temple was later built. After the temple was built sacrifices were still made to yhwh in the high places but the Jerusalem priesthood wanted to monopolised the whole game. That was when the slaughter and sacrificing of priests to yhwh on the high places started.

Josiah reign was one of the major periods when the bible was redacted and tampered with in order to favour the Jerusalem priesthood.


But all these ones are just details. The biggest and more glaring case of human sacrifice remains the very basis of christianity. The ritual killing of Jesus. The problem is that when you are born in and raised in a faith like Christianity such a hideous notion is very easily normalised.

reading words according to context is not making things up. Ritual killing of Jesus?
Jesus death was a judicial sacrifice not a ritual enlighten yourself.
till now you have not provided a single shredd of evidence of yahweh commanding human sacrifice

PastorAIO:
You don't think that it is a mighty coincidence that the sacrifice of first born sons was common in Canaan and the Israelites also had a ritual for redeeming the first born son?

I thought you said you are gathering huge evidence to show yahweh commanded human sacrifice. This is pure clownery.

Go and check again every male firstborn of Israel must be redeemed if not it remained with the priest.

PastorAIO:
The word sacrifice was not added by me but rather was removed by you and by those ye ye bible versions that you picked. This is a further example of how the bible is distorted when redaction and translations are made.

The word in contention is WAY - YIZ- BAH. This word in Hebrew means ritual sacrifice. There is no other context in which it is used in the Hebrew language other than as religious ritual sacrifice.

If you don't believe me, look it up in a concordance:

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/vaiyizbach_2076.htm

If you can show me one other passage where way yiz bah did not mean a ritual sacrifice then I will send you 20 pounds.

Words are interpreted according to context, way-yiz-bah primarily mean slaughter to sacrifice, but any slaughter done on an altar can also be way-yiz-bah, since sacrifices are usually done on altar.

The word was used in 2 kings 22 vv 20 because the slaughter was done on an altar which ordinary is a place where sacrifices are made but in this context Josiah wasn't making a sacrifice but defiling the altar.

There is nowhere God commanded human sacrifice or God accepted human sacrifice, the animals that are used for sacrifice were given in the Torah, they are bull, sheep, goat and doves.

ENGINEERG:
Hell is different from hell fire.
He was in hell when he was alive after he was pursued from the garden of eden

Where did you get this from

ENGINEERG:
Marriage is a beautiful institutions, even ordained by God but in reality , it will take more people to hell, and even hell fire.

Its Marriage that destroyed Adam, and took Adam to hell. Adam was a good man before God gave him eve. He was enjoying his life in the garden, until eve came into his life, and he experienced hell.

And in today's case, most spouses have turned their partners to people who hate, to people who are angry, to people who cheat, to people who are not happy, to people who are depressed and even to bully.
So can anyone serve God well with these behaviors.
I know many people that are good and with happy life- when they are single, but when they married they change for bad. Maybe because of more responsibilities, problems in marriage and depression sometimes.

Now i see marriage will take more people to hell fire if they die cos most people endure marriage for it to work mostly.

And when this Endurance gets to a level it brings hatred.
And Hatred is a sin to God.
And can people enjoy what they Endure?
Can people even serve God well, when they don't have happy homes.
Can God even stay in a home that people are just pretending,whereas all is not well?

who told you Adam is in hell?

As a Christian I have eternal life through Jesus christ, atheism only offers hopelessness and death.
Even when things are rough on earth but I know I have eternal life which is far more than my temporary earthly trial.

kingxsamz:
You're only repeating what I already typed. I said show me where I said your god is not qualified, or is that too hard for you?
Or is comprehension now a herculean task for you people? Point it out na.



If your god determines morality, that means if he decides that rape is morally right tomorrow, you'll agree?
Whether your god makes the rules or not, it doesn't change the fact that he commanded men to kill Children. Which is the contradiction we're talking about.

you are not to be taken seriously

You are only building up to demonstrate your own stupidity.
Bring them out and see them crushed before your face

PastorAIO:
I'm building up to demonstrate that
1 ywhw is not the creator as told in the bible
2He did not create life neither does he own them.
3 He does not determine mortality. Otherwise how come so many people find him and his actions morally repugnant
4. He is a liar. He is not what he says he is and he loves mendacity. He is even boastful about how mendacious he is.

PastorAIO:
The only fraud exposed is your claim that Yahweh didn't ask for human sacrifice. What does yhwh mean when he says "I gave them statutes..."
It doesn't mean, 'I allowed them...' It means I commanded them to.. , I gave them commands to.....

A statute is more than just allowing something to happen. It is a law that something must happen.

You talk about context, please put 'I gave them statutes' into any context you desire and interpret it to mean anything other than a direct command from ywhw. I'd be interested to see the exercise.

Why are you avoiding from vs 1 to19? quote them first

While you do that I will go on to further buttress my point that human sacrifice was an integral part of the worship of ywhw, which also provides perfect context for the christian belief that Jesus was the ultimate human sacrifice that would finally appease him.

Do provide the evidence where yahweh commanded the children of Israel to offer human sacrifice.

The bible is full of human sacrifices and the only reason you don't see them is because your sight has been hoodwinked.

Try this from 2King 23

19And Josiah removed all the shrines also of the high places that were in the cities of Samaria, which kings of Israel had made, provoking the LORD to anger. He did to them according to all that he had done at Bethel. 20And he sacrifice all the priests of the high places who were there, on the altars, and burned human bones on them. Then he returned to Jerusalem.


Josiah the beloved King of Ywhw who 'reinstituted' the Law is reported to be making human sacrifices (way yiz bah) to yahweh.

@ bolded the word sacrifice was added by you.

2 Kings 23:10 And he defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the children of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire to Molech.

23:19 And all the houses also of the high places that were in the cities of Samaria, which the kings of Israel had made to provoke the Lord to anger, Josiah took away, and did to them according to all the acts that he had done in Bethel.

23:20 And he slew all the priests of the high places that were there upon the altars, and burned men's bones upon them, and returned to Jerusalem.

These priest were all involved in human and the king killed them upon their own altar.
sacrifice vv10, secondly the high places are not places were yahweh is worshiped, the high places were places that sacrifice to pagan gods were offered.

Many many more examples. When ywhw commands that all first fruits must be offered to him as burnt offering what does mean when he says that the human first borns must be redeemed? redeemed from what? What should happen to them if they are not redeemed?

You mean this

Exodus 13:14 And it shall be when thy son asketh thee in time to come, saying, What is this? that thou shalt say unto him, By strength of hand the LORD brought us out from Egypt, from the house of bondage:

13:15 And it came to pass, when Pharaoh would hardly let us go, that the LORD slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the firstborn of man, and the firstborn of beast: therefore I sacrifice to the LORD all that openeth the matrix, being males; but all the firstborn of my children I redeem.

This was a ceremonial practice in Israel to teach their descended how the Lord God killed all the firstborn of Israel but saved Israel.
Israel is God's firstborn. To redeem is to save or to deliver.
What happens when an Israelite is not able to redeem his son, then his son will continue to be in the service of the Lord

kingxsamz:
There's no thrashing anywhere. You just seem to have run out of points.
Kindly point out where I said any of that. Point out where I said your god isn't qualified.
You don't know what else to say because your sky daddy didn't give you guidelines on how to defend him and handle arguments. Now You've embarrassed yourself and You're stylishly avoiding the argument. Don't fall sky daddy's hand nw.

These were your words, you implied God is not qualified.

Your argument has being thrashed and refuted by this points
1. If you assume the God of the bible
Then
2 He created all life and owns them
Then He can take any life he wishes
3. He determines morality
The God of the bible abhors human sacrifice
4. He is what he says he is.

Ykingxsamz:


That's because a judge is qualified for the job. And anyone can become a judge if they follow the right precedures, even you. It's not a position you just wake up to and begin to execute.
That's like asking why elected officials have to control the affairs of a state and not just random citizens. It's a position you work towards and earn.
Did anyone grant your god the position to murder innocent children? Your question is unintelligent and a sorry piece of an excuse to exempt your god from holding the title of being a genocidal tyrant. You're only proving my point. Come up with something reasonable.
Your colleague said it's okay if rape is allowed by your god, as long as it's his law. Y'all are sick.ou don't have right to kill because you didn't create and own any life.

As usual you can't respond to any of these without creating a strawman

kingxsamz:


That's because a judge is qualified for the job. And anyone can become a judge if they follow the right precedures, even you. It's not a position you just wake up to and begin to execute.
That's like asking why elected officials have to control the affairs of a state and not just random citizens. It's a position you work towards and earn.
Did anyone grant your god the position to murder innocent children? Your question is unintelligent and a sorry piece of an excuse to exempt your god from holding the title of being a genocidal tyrant. You're only proving my point. Come up with something reasonable.
Your colleague said it's okay if rape is allowed by your god, as long as it's his law. Y'all are sick

PastorAIO:
EZEKIEL 20:
25Moreover, I gave them statutes that were not good and rules by which they could not have life, 26and I defiled them through their very gifts in their offering up all their firstborn, that I might devastate them. I did it that they might know that I am the LORD.



Yhwh confesses to giving commands that were no good, commands to sacrifice their firstborns.

typical strawman
Cutting out a Verse or two, interpreting out of context and then attack it.

Newsflash, those were not yahweh's laws, when the bible says God does something it means God allowed it to happen.
God allowed Israel to practice pagan practices because they rejected his own law.

You skipped from vs 1 to 19 why don't you quote the full verse if it doesn't expose your fraud

Odingo1:
They call other views myth because there is no evidence for it why they have concrete evidence with their own. In the next 6 months the recent launch James Webb telescope will be able to see through the past and discover if there is life in recently discovered exoplanet outside sun solar system that Earth belong to. For almost all the billions of star in night sky each have a planets revolving around each star like earth is revolving around sun with other planets like Venus, Mars etc. So the EU/America/Canada/China/ Japan and Australia is doing there things base on scientific findings.

Recent discoveries are challenging Darwin evolutionary theory.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/science/article/darwin-evolution-crispr-microbiome-bacteria-news

Evolutionary theory has so many problems.

Some of the problems in evolution theory include the following

Problem 1: No Viable Mechanism to Generate a Primordial Soup
Problem 2: Unguided Chemical Processes Cannot Explain the Origin of the Genetic Code
Problem 3: Random Mutations Cannot Generate the Genetic Information Required for Irreducibly Complex Structures
Problem 4: Natural Selection Struggles to Fix Advantageous Traits into Populations
Problem 5: Abrupt Appearance of Species in the Fossil Record Does Not Support Darwinian Evolution
Problem 6: Molecular Biology has Failed to Yield a Grand “Tree of Life”
Problem 7: Convergent Evolution Challenges Darwinism and Destroys the Logic Behind Common Ancestry
Problem 8: Differences between Vertebrate Embryos Contradict the Predictions of Common Ancestry
Problem 9: Neo-Darwinism Struggles to Explain the Biogeographical Distribution of many Species
Problem 10: Neo-Darwinism has a Long History of Inaccurate Darwinian Predictions about Vestigial Organs and “Junk DNA”
Bonus Problem: Humans Display Many Behavioral and Cognitive Abilities that Offer No Apparent Survival Advantage

https://www.discovery.org/a/24041/

I encourage you to check up this links

Odingo1:
You are correct that there is variations and errors that may occur but a good dating techniques that is available now is good with less error. In Germany some professors have sites of Neandenthals which is believed to be the ancestors of Europeans before modern humans from Africa came and upgraded them to full modern humans through having sex with them resulting in cross breading.

Like I said it's all belief, a belief they thing it's logical to explain apelike creatures see, I am irritated when these people pass on their belief like it is the ultimate reality and calling dissenting views myth, evolutionary is not testable and hence cannot be a scientific truth,.

kingxsamz:
This is how you know a theist is loosing an argument. They'll remind you that you dont believe in their god as they have nothing else to say. Meanwhile, they've been arguing with you right from the beginning but never thought to bring it up.

If your god is higher than any human judge then why did you compare him to human judges in the first place? You're the one who brought up the "human judge" issue, now you're running away from it like a scared little chicken. I think the Op's thread have been justified. You can run along now because I know insults from you would be your next move.

Your argument has being thrashed immediately you said human Judge are qualified but God is a more higher Judge is not qualified, you nailed yourself bro.

kingxsamz:
Weak comeback.
No one said your god isn't qualified, maybe you feel so.
You asked a question and I answered and gave reasons why a judge has the power to serve criminals sentences. So what qualification processes did your god go through that made him think it's fair judgement to slaughter innocent children? Answer.
You're failing woefully at defending your sky daddy, tbh. He must be disappointed in you rn.
Too bad he can't speak for himself.

I thought you said God does not exist why is your Brain having seizures? If are assuming God exist for the sake of your argument, then your argument is thrash, because God by definition is higher than any human Judge and he owns all life and hence can demand it at any time he pleases.

kingxsamz:
The many laws of the old testament.
Like the law where a rapist should marry their victim if they're discovered. Does that law still stand?

Was that law made for you a gentile?

PastorAIO:
Laws change such as those about the sacrificial rituals.


Micah6[b]
7Will the LORD be pleased witha thousands of rams,
with ten thousands of rivers of oil?
Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression,
the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?”[/b]
8He has told you, O man, what is good;
and what does the LORD require of you
but to do justice, and to love kindness,b
and to walk humbly with your God?


There is a shift away from being told explicitly to sacrifice victims to please yhwh. In fact we are told that the scent of burning flesh is a please aroma to him.

can you show me where in the bible God required human sacrifice to please Yahweh?

1:17
He shall tear it open by its wings, but shall not sever it completely. And the priest shall burn it on the altar, on the wood that is on the fire. It is a burnt offering, a food offering with a pleasing aroma to the Lord.



but by Micah things changed

what do you mean by Micah many things changed

kingxsamz:
That's because a judge is qualified for the job. And anyone can become a judge if they follow the right precedures, even you. It's not a position you just wake up to and begin to execute.
That's like asking why elected officials have to control the affairs of a state and not just random citizens. It's a position you work towards and earn.
Did anyone grant your god the position to murder innocent children? Your question is unintelligent and a sorry piece of an excuse to exempt your god from holding the title of being a genocidal tyrant. You're only proving my point. Come up with something reasonable.
Your colleague said it's okay if rape is allowed by your god, as long as it's his law. Y'all are sick.

@ bolded A human judge is qualified but God is not qualified? Your foolishness is really atheistic

kingxsamz:
If your god does not change, why did his laws change?

which law change?

Odingo1:
Evolution is not a belief, it is based on concrete scientific findings. If you doubt carbon dating then you can go for MR scan and they will scan your bone and tell you your age. That is what they use to catch overage players in fifa under 17 World Cup. Carbon dating is near accurate and never an assumption.

MR scan is only accurate to about age 17 or thereabouts.
As for carbon dating, carbon dating assume an equal ratio between carbon14 and carbon12 however when there is a variation in C14/C15 it gives inaccurate dating. I advice you don't swallow everything hook line and sink find out how these dating were done possible errors or factors that could affect its accuracy.