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MaxInDHouse:
The name Jehovah means "He causes to become" so He has the final say.

That's the glory that comes with His name and nobody can share that with Him! Isaiah 42:8

Jesus causes to become and Jesus has the final say.

When Jehovah said there is no God beside him, how come Jesus is exactly like him? Explain

Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

MaxInDHouse:
"I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images" Isaiah 42:8

The context here differ!

You can't comprehend this verse because God's name is mentioned not the title LORD so God is saying no one else can share with Him the glory that comes with His name.

The name "Jehovah" means "He causes to become" nobody can rightly share that glory with God that's why Jesus said:

“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father" Matthew 24:36

Because it's only JEHOVAH (the father) who causes to become or has the right to decree what will happen. Jesus can't share such with God that's why he said:

“Father, if you want to, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.” Luke 22:42

Only JEHOVAH has the final say nobody can share that with Him!

What are the glory that comes with Jehovah's name

MightySparrow:
[53]Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
[54]Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
[55]For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
[56]He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
[57]As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
[58]This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

John 6:53-58


These are the very words of Jesus.

The question is: why would Father need a Son for the redemption of mankind?

God is love and love require more than one person to exist.
The father initiates the love and the son passes the love to us.
The father, son and holy spirit has different roles.
The father ordained/initiates, the Son unveils what the father's plans and the holy spirit enables it.

Salvation was ordained and planned by the father before time began, the son fulfilled the plans of the father in time, and the holy spirits applies what has being done to man.

MaxInDHouse:
Churchgoer stop deceiving yourself go and arrest your English teacher in school!

Its simple English singular and plural, One is IMAGE and two are IMAGES!

kingdom hall goer, there is nothing like images of God.

Jesus is the exact image of God meaning he is God in the flesh, I can see you are avoiding it because it exposes Jehovah's false witness lies.


Jehovah has nothing to do with false witness organization and their lies.

MaxInDHouse:
Adam and Eve are TWO so they are IMAGES!

kingdom hall goer,
I said show me in the bible, not your stupid opinon, where was it written that Adam and eve are images of God?

MaxInDHouse:
Funny churchgoer!


"And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them" Genesis 1:27

This verse is talking about two persons Adam and Eve, they are both images of who?

So where is the word "images" there?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ Adam and Jesus are equal in human nature both of them were images of the invisible God. Luke 3:38
The only difference is that one remain obedient despite all trials while the other gave in to selfishness!

nothing like images of God.
Jesus is the real express of God, that means he is God in flesh.

MaxInDHouse:
As a perfect human like Adam {1Corinthians 15:45} Jesus is the radiance of God's glory {John 14:9} had it been that Adam didn't fail in his own test against Satan we won't need Jesus at all on this planet because Adam was made in the likeness of God {Genesis 1:26} that's why God's word said all humans who are supposed to be radiance of God's glory have fallen short of God's glory due to sin inherited from Adam {Romans 3:23} so don't let anyone deceive you with letters Jesus is God's son just as Adam is God's son! Luke 3:38

This is not true max, Jesus is the "Express image of God"
Adam was made in God's image but he was never the Express image of God.

The word express means exactly replica, not just a copy but the exact word for word, texture for texture in everything.

Why is Jesus the image of God?
Image means what can be seen, Adam was the closest resemblance of what God is like on earth but however not the exact same thing.

Jesus is the original image of God, meaning if God would be seen then it is Jesus, he is the exact reflection of the invisible God.

Because Jesus is God made flesh that is why he is called the image of God.

Maynmann:
Why was david and Samuels life not taken?

It seems some people are more moral than your god.

Killing someone after they killed someone, what is the morality behind it?

in God's justice system there is room for mercy
David should have died but he cried to God for mercy
I don't understand your question concerning samuel?

Maynmann:
I asked you a question much earlier.
Is murder of babies is not contrary to his nature as god of love, eros?

Was onan married to temar?

Even the landlord can’t do whatever he likes, a landlord does not truly owns his land

God taking the life of a baby does not contradict God's nature because those took them to be in a better place.
God's type of love is not eros.
I don't understand your question concerning onan.
Yes even a landlord can bmdo whatever he likes because he is under the state.

Maynmann:
“people's life can be taken even against their will, If it is justifiable.”
Explain how lives can be taken if it is justifiable.

if man murders another person his life can be taken whether he likes if or not.

Maynmann:
What’s the justification of your god killing babies?
Do you think hitler can’t justify his killing of jews?
Murder was designed for who?
Your god can also rape babies because they exist for him in the first place.
Was onan married to Tamar?

If a tenant has paid his rent, that’s his room and he truly owns it until his rent expires.

Hitler can only justify his actions if there is no objective morality.

Maynmann:
What’s the justification of your god killing babies?
Murder was designed for who?
Your god can also rape babies because they exist for him in the first place.

If a tenant has paid his rent, that’s his room and he truly owns it until his rent expires.

I asked you a question earlier on which you have not answered.
When a father removes his child from a toxic environment m, is it justified?
Rape is against God's design for sex.
Does rent means he can do whatever he likes with the house? No he can only do what the agreement says. A tenant does not truly own the place.

Maynmann:
Murder too is a violation of human freewill, why is your god contradicting it and killing babies?
Your god can murder and rape innocent babies as they are his property.

that is not what murder is, people's life can be taken even against their will, If it is justifiable.
For you to say rape or murder is wrong there needs to be an objective standard?
You can only say rape is wrong because sex was created between two consenting adults who are married, anything outside of this is sin. What you are saying is that God can contradict himself which is not possible.
Another way to look at this is purpose or design.
Sex was design for adults withing a marriage relationship is a seal of love, anything outside of this is wrong, that is where rape falls into.

Life exist primarily for God, taking another person's life becomes wrong but God can take peoples life it is not wrong because they exist for him in the first place.

What do you mean “truly own”?
You said this “ You cannot be accused of raping your property but when it comes to life no human can own any human.”
You also said this “when people sold themselves they can become property of other humans”

yes people are not the true owner of anything in the real sense, people are like stewards, God is the true owner.
Just like a tenant can refer to his room as "my room" this does not mean he truly own the room.

Maynmann:
So babies are not born with freewill, at what age do they acquire it? And from where?
Your god can also rape babies too, since they don’t have freewill right?

yes babies are born with free will but not active until till certain age.

So humans can truly own humans, and the owners can rape and kill them right and that’s objectively right since they are property?

humans cannot truly own any human, and you definitely can treat anyone the way you like because we are all properties of God.

Maynmann:
Murder too is a violation of human freewill, why is your god contradicting it and killing babies?

Do babies have freewill?

No human can own any human, yet isrealites and their god were taking slaves and even having virgins for themselves, how come?

when people sold themselves they can become property of other humans.

LordReed:
Read up on the etymology of murder and stop displaying arrogance in ignorance.

Look at this one, is registering your vehicle papers a moral issue? You are lost. LMAO!

Lol explain what is the difference between moral issue and non moral issue?

it's your morality because you are the one expressing it.

Projecting yourself.

Maynmann:
So as “Rape” too it only exist for humans not your god.

Can you be accused of raping your own property, can you?
Is a child a property of his parents?

rape is a violation of human freewill, God cannot contradict himself.

You cannot be accused of raping your property but when it comes to life no human can own any human.
No parents don't own their children, parents are like stewards.

Maynmann:
Listen to your advice, you didn’t answer mine too.

murder of babies is not contrary to his nature as god of love, eros?

"Murder" only exist for humans not God.

Just as stealing only exist when you are not the owner of a property.
You can't be accused of stealing your own property can you?

Maynmann:
Your source doesn’t mind murdering innocent babies, what is the morality behind it?

“Remove” you mean by murdering the child, yes the father is a murderer.
Is this father also Omniscience ?

A father can’t do as he pleases to his children.

You didn't answer the question?

Maynmann:
But murder of babies is not contrary to his nature as god of love, eros?

Your god can’t do as he pleases, he is also under the “universal law”.

what universal law?
You mean an objective morality, yes morality is objective and it's source is from God.
So let me ask you, if a father chooses to remove his children from a toxic environment, is the father does it mean the father does not love his children?

Maynmann:
He can also rape them if and when he wishes, they are his property.

According to atheist world view nothing is right or wrong just opinions.
Rape is contrary to God's nature as a God of love.

Maynmann:
Steep said it is right for their god to kill innocent babies because he created them.
It’s right for your god to murder his creations, is it also right for your god to rape his creations?

Babies are God's property he can take them if and when he wishes.

LordReed:
Why are you so disingenuous? I said murder is a legal term where does opinion or morality enter into that?

you are the disingenuous person.

a legal term by which standard, is it not people that determine what is legal or not? So it is still opinions at the end of the day, murder being just a legal issue is even worse which means it is just like not registering your vehicle particulars.

Your morality comes from who you believe is the almighty so I know you are talking about yourself not me, LoLz.

There is no such thing as my morality, such only exist in atheism world view which you cannot live by anyway.

Maynmann:
A chinese court too is also not “competent” enough to give judgement on something that happened in Nigeria.

You are confused yahweh worshipper.

Going by the atheists world view rape is neither good or bad just just a mere opinion.
Which again reinforces it that atheism has no basis for objective morality just individual or society views.

LordReed:
Look up the Nuremberg Trials and educate yourself.

well according to your world view that is only their opinion, it does not make Hitler a murderer since morality is subjective.

A trial that was set up only after Hitler was defeated, so if Hitler had won the war, so what he did could not be murder?

Meaning anyone who is powerful enough determines morality.
Lol your morality is determined by society.


By the way court do not determine moral issues but legal issues.

LordReed:
Hitler's killing of the Jews was ruled illegal by a competent court so yes it was murder. Next.

laughable, which court? What makes a court competent?
Is a Nigerian court competent enough to give judgement on something that happened in China?

LordReed:
You are asking a nonsensical question, what is there to run from.

you said murder means unsanctioned killings, so when Hitler sanctioned the killings of millions of Jews, it wasn't murder 🤣
I ask again is murder subjective?

Maynmann:
What is the morality that everyone knows, mention one.

What makes something right if the the society has no say to it?

Answer the question and stop beating round the bush.

Maynmann:
If you ask the children that samuel killed their father, do you think they will say that samuel murdering their father is right?

My friend that is not the issue, is murder subjective? Simple yes or no?

Maynmann:
Exactly you don’t know what morality means, you are only following orders and laws of your god.
If your god says you should kill someone for seducing you, you will follow the order

My friend you know what morality is, everyone knows, regardless whether you accept it or not.
Whether societies agree with it or not it does not make subjective.

[quote author=LordReed post=123725139][/quote]Why are you running away from the answer, is murder subjective?