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The answer is immersing yourself in the word of God and walking in the Spirit daily while abstaining from the corruption and lust that is in the world.

englishmart:
2 chronicles 9:25 and 1 King 4:26 are obviously talking about the same thing, but they don't add up, or maybe I'm wrong.

2 chronicles 9:25 says "And Solomon had 4,000 stalls for horses and chariots and 12,000 horsemen"

2 Kings 4:26 says "And Solomon had 40,000 stalls of horses for the chariots, and 12,000 men"

The semantics is befuddling. Could someone help me construe this?

Probably 40,000 stalls but only 400 stalls had horses.

Janosky:
Revelation 3:12 & Psalm 110:1, Jesus Christ has ALWAYS been his Father's Servant in the spiritual realm.

Yahweh said to Jesus: sit at my right hand."
Did Jesus OBEY the command?

1 Corinthians 15:22, 45 NLT and Matthew 20:28, is Jesus Christ the ministering spirit of your salvation?

Oga, Stop DECEIVING YOURSELF.

If Jesus has always being a servant why then does he need to humble himself and take the form of a servant?
Philippians 2

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote where the Bible explicitly say:

"Jesus IS God"

John 1 vv 1

delkuf:
I had this argument recently with a jw and he showed me some bible verses that angel Michael is Jesus Christ. I must confess this guy almost won me and over with his argument. So I want to ask, can anyone bring out bible verses to refute this claim.



I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ can never be angel Michael. I just want bible verses to refute this because the jw is coming on Saturday to continue this argument

Simple the bible state that Jesus is God not an angel.
Michael is one of the archangels not the only one.
Daniel 10 : 19.
angels are ministering ( servants) spirit by their nature. Hebrews 1: 4

The angel that spoke with John in revelation refers to himself as a fellow servant Revelation 22 vv 9.


Jesus took on the servants nature meaning he was not a servant before. Phil 2 vv 7

Khallicopyro:
Ask him why God had to send his only son down to earth to die for us before he (God) can forgive our sins.

Ask him if Adam and Eve where the first humans God created and Cain and Abel their first and second son. Then who did Cain marry when he ran away after killing Abel? Who created the people in that place in ran to?

Jesus is not an angel. He is God.

EDOSBROWN:
Many times, I have heard different views, concerning heaven, what are the requirements to make heaven.

The answer is sinlessness. You must be someone who has never committed sin, speak anything sinful, has never made anyone sin either in thought, words or action, and must never had in sinful thought in his or her heart.

22jumpstreet1:
he was suffering due to what was being done to him...
read and understand..

No, Isaiah said the LORD laid on him the sins of Israel.

Unlike the suffering servant Israel was punished for her rebellion.

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Unlike Israel, the suffering servant had done not violence and no deciet is found in him.


Ezekiel 12:19 And say unto the people of the land, Thus saith the Lord GOD of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and of the land of Israel; They shall eat their bread with carefulness, and drink their water with astonishment, that her land may be desolate from all that is therein, because of the violence of all them that dwell therein.

22jumpstreet1:
YOU are reading a mistranslation
read the correct translation to understand what Isaiah was saying..

it is about a suffering servant, there is no death or resurrection or accession...
Isaiah already told you seven times prior to chapter53 that the servant is Israel...

why the fuss?

Isaiah 53 is not Israel, Israel didn't suffer for others sin but for her own sin. Read again

So Israel bear the sin of the nations?
You are a joke man.


Surely you must know better than Daniel

Daniel 9:16 O LORD, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us.


And you know more than Isaiah

Isaiah 50:1 Thus saith the LORD, Where is the bill of your mother's divorcement, whom I have put away? or which of my creditors is it to whom I have sold you? Behold, for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is your mother put away.



Israel never bore her own sins.

Isaiah 53 is about the messiah who is a righteous man not Israel.

litigator:
This is one area of our Biblical journey we often shy away from talking about.

I am certain I am not alone in this regard.

How does it feel if at 9. am on a Sunday morning, I come out for an altar call after a powerful heart-shattering and guilt-provoking sermon, give my life to Christ; I am prayed for and declare born again, but I unconsciously commit a sin on my way back home?

And with that guilt, I go back to sin full time like it was before the alter call?

I guess I am not alone in this regard. I have attended church services countless times and listened to sermons and teachings that I can't recollect, and at the end of such endeavour, I obey the alter call one minute, and the next minute, I am back to fornicating. This is one thing that has kept a lot of people out of this spiritual journey.

Even Pastors are not immune to sin, as some have found themselves committing sin at one point or the other. I guess Apostle Paul suffered same in the Bible. And this brings me to my question.


Does being again make you immune to sin, and is it a vaccine against sinning?

Is it that if I sin, it will no longer count against me because I have Grace?

Or is it a merry-go-round of sinning and asking for forgiveness shortly afterwards until we get better at not sinning anymore?

And if the latter is the case, why do churches hate and guilt-shame members when they sin but defend pastors when they do the same?

Understand according to the gospel we are sinners by our human nature. when we believed in Jesus a new nature is created in us in this new nature we are told to walk.

We are not saved by our righteousnesses and we can't keep our salvation by our righteousnesses but it is God that preserves us.
However we are tempted to walk in the flesh
and we are to rather mortify the flesh so we can walk in the spirit.
When we does sin, John said we have an advocate with the father which is Jesus christ the righteous since, we are in fellowship with the father and son, we confess our sin to him so we can be cleansed.

Confessing our sin means we are in the truth if we pretend we don't have sin then we are liars and our salvation is questionable.

People who preach that we don't need to confess our sins do not have real relationship with God.

DrAda:
I find it hard to communicate when the other party is being overly aggresive and quick to insults. On that note, believe what you will. Cheers

I am sorry for sounding aggressive. However, It is not everything you open your mind to swallow and this story about aliens are just for deception.
God only created life on earth not in other planet.

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DrAda:
Earth is special to us. Afterall, we are designed to fit right into it. Similarly, some other planet out there may be just right for a different type of beings.

To make it more interesting, Earth may in fact be toxic to them as their planet may be to us. Expand your mind and you will find that there are endless possibilities. Cheers

I don't expand my mind to receive all kind of rubbish and deceit.
Endless possibilities base on your imagination not reality.
We are talking of reality not maybe or maybe not.
Present findings are that the universe has a beginning, it is finite, Earth is the only place that can accomodate life.

Showguyz:
what about proxima B and don't forget Mars was once in the position of where the earth is today .There is nothing special about life on earth

Proxima B is just a guess and they have recently discovered that it recieves about 1000 times the radiation from its star than earth recieves.
Mars cannot support life

Here are some of the problems with mars:


Mars has no organized magnetic field or thick atmosphere, it also recieves high radiation from the Sun and cosmos, it has thin atmosphere is mostly carbon dioxide (CO2) and has almost no oxygen to breath.
Also it has unsuitable temperature with low atmospheric pressure also means that liquid water cannot exist on the surface, except for brief periods of time in certain locations.

The soil on Mars contains high levels of perchlorate, a type of salt that can be toxic to humans and plants. In addition, the soil contains heavy metals such as lead and arsenic, which can be harmful to most things living.

There is no such thing as aliens.

DrAda:
My point exactly. What makes earth special?

earth is Very special. The only planet that can support life.
For a start, it has a perfect distance from the Sun so that it has a perfect temperature, it has abundance of water and oxygen, it has just the right size, space is very very dangerous, earth is protected by other planets like Jupiter from meteors, it's moon is just at the right distance from it and a perfect size etc in fact any less than 100% precision about these parameters and life can not exist.
Only the earth is known to be able to sustain life type of sun our solar system has is just perfect.

So yes the earth is special, the whole universe scream deliberate intelligent design.

MindHacker9009:
So when a referee tosses a coin, to you the referee is casting a lot. Why are followers of the invented Jesus Christ so deceptive when the truth is put right in front of them?

Casting lots is one of the ways humans use to determine outcomes, it could religious or non religious.
In the ancient times the outcome of lots was attributed to the gods however the outcome could be determined by the true God or evil spirit.
Casting lots is not pagan but was adopted by pagans instead.

MindHacker9009:
The sailors had their own pagan gods they cried to in the Book of Jonah. Thereafter they cast lots and the lot fell on Jonah.

Jonah 1:
5 All the sailors were afraid and each cried out to his own god. And they threw the cargo into the sea to lighten the ship.

7 Then the sailors said to each other, “Come, let us cast lots to find out who is responsible for this calamity.” They cast lots and the lot fell on Jonah. 8So they asked him, “Tell us, who is responsible for making all this trouble for us? What kind of work do you do? Where do you come from? What is your country? From what people are you?”

Acts 1:26
Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.
Is this ifa practice by the apostle just like in the sailors did in the Book of Jonah?

The TRUE GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD and not the Roman empire god of the New Testament the get another man's wife pregnant with invented Jesus Christ which is a Greek/Roman pagan belief.

So football officials that cast lots to determine which team starts with the ball are playing ifa?

HydraFeeds:
What’s the meaning of “all scriptures” ?



It’s erroneous to claim “anyone” is more intellectually greater than someone else when you don’t know or have the full grasp of the output of the other person or because the first person existed before the person being compared him to neglecting the “latter day glory shall be greater than the former” quote.

You are an ignorant man on the subject, just a random internet troll speaking pure ignorance. Why do you experts even atheists could not dismiss or disprove the historicity of the books of the gospel even when when they were eager to do so?

That being said ,you quoted someone that was born circa AD 56 but Jesus was born and lived between circa AD 3 and AD 35 which means that the person you quoted did not have direct access to the events and there’s high tendency for infirmities

Tacitus is an historian, he specializes in investigating what history, 25 years is literally nothing whe it comes to history.
Non-Christian sources also confirm the events of the gospels. There are Roman and Jewish historical records that confirm the essence of Christ’s life as recorded in the gospels. Tacitus, a Roman historian of the first century, confirms the New Testament designation of Pilate. He writes, “Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus. . . .”

Other Roman sources substantiate the gospel accounts as well. In 52 AD, Thallus wrote a historical work of Greece regarding the Trojan War. Although his work is lost, Julius Africanus in 221 AD quotes Thallus. In the third book of Africanus’ histories he states that darkness covered the earth during the crucifixion of Jesus. He attributes the darkness to a solar eclipse. From his writings, it can be concluded that the passion story was known in Rome by 50 AD, and that the enemies of Christianity tried to give naturalistic explanations to the occurrence of darkness.

There is also the testimony of Jewish historical works. The Talmud (Completed 300 AD) asserts a historical Jesus, but labels him a heretic and attributes his miracles to sorcery and magic. The Talmud rarely mentions false teachers so the fact that it mentions Jesus at all indicates that He was a significant figure. The Talmud also affirms his death by Roman crucifixion and recognizes the healing ministry of five Apostles.

Another source is Josephus who identifies characters mentioned in the gospels including the Herods as well as Emperors Augustus, Tiberius, Claudius, and Nero. He also mentions the high priesthood families of Caiaphas, Ananias, and Annas. He also corroborates events in the gospels. In The Antiquities 18, he mentions that Gamiliel names Judas the Galilean as leading an uprising (Acts 5:37Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)) and the famine in the days of Claudius is mentioned (Acts 11:28Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)). The sudden death of Agrippa (Acts 12), the death of John the Baptist, and the death of James, the Brother of Jesus, are also all mentioned. Archaeology and the historical records from Christian and non-Christian sources prove that the gospels are historical works and not fictional writings

Going by your logic ,because no one can testify to Enoch and Elijah transcending to heaven then it’s fake ? If it’s fake does that means that part of Bible is fake ?

Also who told you that people didn’t witness other legends ? For instance ,the story of Oranmiyan,his people called him with war cry but it was a civil war ,after killing a lot of people his eyes got cleared ,he buried his sword and then disappeared…people were there to witness the events according to the story.

The same way Mohamed associates were present during his exploits,my point is that people have claim to perform miracles without being subjected to your religion and it doesn’t make them less or evil ,a biblical example is Simon that was performing miracles that Jesus disciples reported to him but he responded that “he that’s not against us ,he’s with us “

Did you know that Muslims believe that the Quran was given to Mohammed when he was on a mountain by Angel Gabriel like the Ten Commandments given to Moses?

All these are just a claim, it doesn't make them false or true, hence they must be tested some other way but Jesus christ has tons of evidence and trump every story out there, even your date is named after Jesus christ.

The same way other religions claim that their book is special but to a person with common sense ,all these books were engineered by people like us and these books are outdated or do you still use books of 100 years in school without review?

Then go an engineer a book, tell as much lie as you want, there would not be a single evidence just tale.

That aside ,how did scholars scrutinized the Bible and passed with flying colours .

That is because you are an ignorant man.

Cos most of the characters in bible or events are parody of other historical figures if it’s not proven wrong in its entirety,for instance the story of Adam and Eve is biologically impossible because it will leads to genetic degeneration,older human fossils have been discovered and different species of humans also existed …

That is a lie, scientific evidence even points in the direction of common descent of humans.

In human genetics, the Mitochondrial Eve (also mt-Eve, mt-MRCA) is the matrilineal most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of all living humans. In other words, she is defined as the most recent woman from whom all living humans descend in an unbroken line purely through their mothers and through the mothers of those mothers, back until all lines converge on one woman.
Wikipedia


Moses is compared to Sargon ,Esther husband to Xerxes 1 ,Noah flood to epic of Gilgamesh,Jesus to Horus and Alexander the Great and so many others .

If you understand what I meant by council of Nicaea,you won’t open your mouth spitting gibberish ,these scriptures were not written by this council,they simply collated it and edited it ,or you didn’t think why Moses wrote the book of genesis when he was not yet born ? That there’s a curse in revelation that no one should add or remove to the Bible ? Who put those there ? Was it John ? There are many scriptures that were not added to the Bible ,example is book of barnabas because he wrote there that Jesus neither die nor resurrected ,there are many other scriptures like book of Moses ,book of Mary Magdalene etc that were not added because of conflict of ideas,you need to really study the scope of the council to understand my point else you are a sweet sheep .

Mr ignoramus when was the council of nicea held? When was the latest manuscript found?
Books that were thrown out had no evidence didn't met the criteria for scriptures. I guess anybody can just write a law and add it to Nigerian constitution right?

HydraFeeds:
I guess you’ve also forgotten that the Bible says all scriptures are inspired by God ?

The bible wasn't referring to the quran or other religious books.

If you don’t mind ,will you state the proofs of Tacitus and Talmud? Cos what I mean of external source is a source out of religious propaganda,for instance ,we read the true story of Roman Empire and there is no where it’s mentioned that one miraculous character existed circa 30 AD outside of Julius ceaser ,Augustus ceasers ,the philosophers etc but no Jesus mentioned.

You are being disingenuous, people that are intellectually greater Tham you couldn't but agree Jesus really existed, you speaking base on ignorance.
Tacitus was one of the greatest Roman historians and politician.

Publius Cornelius Tacitus,[note 1] known simply as Tacitus (/ˈtæsɪtəs/ TAS-it-əs,[2][3] Latin: [ˈtakɪtʊs]; c. AD 56 – c. 120), was a Roman historian and politician. Tacitus is widely regarded as one of the greatest Roman historians by modern scholars.[4][5]

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The Muslims believe that the craters on the moon is as a result of Muhammed splitting it and yes ,Muhammed claimed he is the last “prophet” sent by God .

Many charlatans have claimed many different things ,the world will always follow them but the knowledge of yesteryears is mostly outdated today.

Mohammad made a claim yet Noone but himself could testify that it was true.
Show me any Muslim that saw Mohammad splitting the moon?

if no one saw Oduduwa transcends to heaven then how come people believe it ? So people can believe Enoch trancendence and Elijah’s own with chariot of fire as fabulous as they sound but can’t believe Oduduwa’s? Guess you think the latter is made up ? The Oranmiyan staff in ile ife is made up ?

No body claim to see oduduwa go to heaven, its all a tale.
Nobody can testify concerning Enoch and elijiah but Jesus has eye witnesses, Ipeople testify that Jesus rose not because they were told but because they saw him, not one person's but multitudes.

So you said people witness Jesus own because it’s written in a religious book but you don’t believe Oduduwa own even though it’s written in religious book as well (Odu Ifa) or Mohammed’s that’s written in religious book (Quran) ?

I don't belive because it is a religious books, but that the four books of the Bible are real historical narratives, scholars has scrutinized the four books of the Bible to know if it was true history and it passed with flying colors.

Also you need to read on “Mandela effects “ and “Council of Nicaea” to buttress my point to see how some group of people collated the Bible and ascribed many things to Jesus .

The Mandela effect has already being debunked, the Bible is older than the council of nicea, many of you just parrot ignorance like zombie without verifying. Smh

HydraFeeds:
you’re funny ,the miracle is only recorded in a religious book without evidence it actually took place and even other sources like the Quran said he never died let alone rose up ,so why should the account of the Bible be right but the account of the Quran be wrong ?

Religious book, does not equate to false. The books of the gospel are historical narratives not simply religious books.
The quran is self contradicting because the it says that it confirms the injeel (the gospels).
How can it confirms the injeel and at the same time deny the injeel?

Neglecting the fact that there’s no external evidence for such event ,that a person died and rose up does not make him supreme to other characters that did things himself did not do ,for instance ,Moses parted the Red Sea ,Enoch did not even taste death (which make him superior to death) ,Joshua held the sun for three good days,there’s story of how Noah saved the entire humanity and in other religions,Mohammed parted the moon when he rode horse through it ,Oduduwa transcended into the spirit world without dying,Buddha reached the state of Yoga etc .

Jesus case is different, said he would die and rise again as a proof of his teachings and he did so.
There were eye witnesses who saw christ after his death again there are external source that proved Jesus was really crucified. Such as tacitus and the Talmud.

My point is that different religions believe in different “legendary” about their respective pioneers.

Moses parted the red sea however Moses never claim he is someone special, Enoch was tkaken without seeing death, however he never claimed to be someone special, Mohammed parted the moon but it just a claim because the moon is still there, and no body ever said he saw Mohammad splitting the moon or driving a mule to heaven as he claimed.

No one saw oduduwa transcend to heaven without dying

except that in the case of Jesus' resurrection there were many eye witnesses, that saw Jesus rose and were willing to die for it.
No human being would die for what he knows its a lie, those who testify that they saw Jesus lost everything and were willingly gave up their life just to testify about Jesus resurrection.

Purvan:
Based


The Bible is just a story book and you're a damn fool if you day carry am for head

You are an ignorant man, the Bible is a collection of books not a single book, it is a collection of books separated by thousands of years, and many of the writers never knew each other personally but yet all the books are in agreement.

Jesus is a true historical person not even atheist and other non believing scholars can deny this.
Jesus died and resurrected from the grave the evidence of Jesus resurrection can not be disproved.

ReacherSaidNoth:
Justice involves killing innocents including children, got it, my faith is restored

God can chose to take back the children or babies he gave. So God is just

Janosky:
Oga Steep dey deny him 3 Spirits & TWIST the holy scriptures.
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Oga Steep, your quote of Isaiah 44:24 is in agreement with Jesus statement of Matthew 19:4-5 Genesis 1:26-27.
Oga,You know in your heart that @ Matthew 19:4-5, Jesus Christ did not tell you what you claim on this thread.
God his Senior, Elder ( meaning of Father) is the Creator.

I don't claim anything, God said he alone made everything and yet scripture said Jesus made everything, therefore Jesus and God are one.

HydraFeeds:
not many other of them say that he’s a great teacher except “Abrahamic” religions and that’s mostly Islam their tenets centers on another personality .

Other religions have their own concept of eternal life even before Jesus was born at all ,example are Hinduism and Buddhism and you can’t tell me they’re wrong because you believe in your own religion.

anybody can claim anything, but evidence is what matters. Hinduism, Buddhism, traditional religion, Islam, etc none has any evidence
Only Jesus christ has ever died and resurrected from the grave hence providing evidence that he indeed is true.

Janosky:
Hebrews 1:2, God spoke to His Son, Jesus Christ. . After the conversation in Genesis 1:26, God made the Universe (physical realm) & thereafter created man to dwell in the universe.

@ Job 38:1-7,Did Jehovah God tell you that angels shouted in applause after the universe & man was created?
Yes !

Matthew 19:4-6, Jesus Christ say nah God his Father (HE) created man, PROVEN by Genesis 1:26-27.

Oga Steep,Did Jesus Christ teach you 3 persons created man?

NEVER !!!!!

Nah Christendom invented 3 persons into Genesis 1:26

That means Jesus is God because God alone created the heavens and the earth and there was no one with him.

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

I am not the only one living in my body, the Holy Ghost is living in there too and he owns me.
How will you feel if someone take your very expensive house and turn it to a dumping site, or your expensive clothes to rag?

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

So yes no sex before marriage because The Holy Ghost me and I honor the Lord.

Romans 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Janosky:
. Oga, your claim is NOT TRUE.

The God is a Spirit, John 4:24.
Jesus Christ is now a spirit raised to life by God ,1 Corinthians 15:45. 15:24-27.

Holy spirit is the finger of God, Matthew 12:28 & Luke 11:20.

John15:15, That is the teaching Jesus Christ taught the apostles Luke, John & Paul.

Oga, a Spirit is a person dwelling in the spiritual realm.
You Worship 3 Spirits, you can't TWIST this fact.
God is not 3 persons,or nah paganism be that.
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Who was God speaking to, when he said "let us make man in our image"?
Genesis 1 vv 26

Janosky:
Three Spirits Worshippers

God is one spirit but three persons.

True, God is a Trinity