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mrman1999:
So you're saying there's nothing like evil? So what do you call ritual killings? Rape? Fraud? Terrorism? How would you define those?

From the atheists perspective evil is subjective and at best does not really exist.

Truvelisback:
So, Atheists don't do rituals or engage diabolic acts? Na play u dey.

Don't mind her.
Atheism means disbelief in God, it does not mean disbelief in spirits or ritual.

Atheism is the belief there is no God it has nothing to do with the belief in spiritism or witchcraft.

1Sharon:
Just have to stop you right there.

Do you know what atheism is at all? Atheist believe in spiritually? Do you know what atheism is all?

When somebody performs money rituals where does the money come from?

Atheism means disbelief or lack of belief in God

1Sharon:
You completely missed the point of this thread.

no point was missed here. Op is a fool and sick!

The biggest supporters and propagators of money rituals,juju,witches are Christians.

How does knowing something exist means you instigated it?
'You know crime exist it means you are the instigator of the crime.' That is the foolish mentality displayed by atheists here!

Just think to yourself, what concerns an atheist with money rituals, juju witches?

Atheism is the belief that God does not exist, it does not negate the belief in spiritualism, so atheists could be involve in juju, rituals, which could be seen as a way or contacting higher consciousness.

It's you religious people perpetuating these superstitions.

1. When has religious people translate to Christians, or are Christians the only religious people.
How did you know the religion of the pertutors of those crime to be Christians?
2. You don't need to be religious to do those things, how about they are actually atheists experimenting if money ritual works?

teaches that you must believe evil exists. Just look at Nollywood, it's filled with Christian propaganda.

All humans know evil exist including you, how dis you know ritual is evil? Oh since you know ritual is evil then you are the instigator. Stupid right?
When has Nollywood become Christianity mouth piece?

The people that engage in rituals are people from a Christian or Islamic home.
You religious people spread stories about rituals, blood money, juju.
You're not helping the situation, you guys fuel it.

Rituals blood money, juju are part of your African heritage, so how did Christianity spread something that is already part of you?
What if those guys are atheists want to prove if it works in other to prove juju works?

Atheists are literally living their lives and minding their business.
You religious ppl are constantly looking over your shoulder, worried about juju, rituals, witches, demons.

Atheists living their lives and minding what business? When they are obsessed about Christianity, 24/7. If you had the power you would have love to kill everyone your deranged mind think is a Christian just like your bokoharam/Iswap brothers.

The fool said in his heart there is no God.

There is no peace for the wicked Says the Lord.
Isaiah 57:21

Janosky:
Acts 3:13 , John 9:4 and Isaiah 43:10, Jesus Christ is a JEHOVAH's witness.

Is Steep a JEHOVAH's witness like Jesus Christ?

Acts 15:14-17, John 9:4 and John 20:17, the words of Jehovah's witnesses is Mumu talk to Polytheists who worship 3 persons .

I witness for Jehovah by witnessing for Jesus.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Brain dead idiot! Why don't you expect atheism to solve the problem!
Trying so hard to pin ritualism on christianity!
Your mission is dead on arrival, it the rejection rejection of christianity that lead to the animalistic life which include Christianity.
Christianity changed alot of barbaric practice, but since you guys rejected Christianity why are you wailing when your barbaric nature is dominating you?
Clown

HardMirror:
you are the fool here who cannot read. Did you read the part where I said christianity should have solved this problem but instead it went on to support a lot of the traditional superstitions? You dont see how Christians expect to be millionaires by miracle? Cant you even read? The joke is on you. Bunch of brainwashed poverty stricken miracle money hungry sheep

achorladey:
Simple instruction for Acts 1:8 they cannot follow.

It's because they are blind! Don't stress yourself on them

HardMirror:
Whenever we hear of money ritual, Christians are quick to come out and blame the devil, and say it is signs of the end times.
The same fundamental believes on which christianity is built, is same money rituals are also built on.

Christianity is a religion that has kept superstitions such as money ritual alive in Nigeria. This is a fact!

HoW?


Introduction of christianity killed traditional worship in Nigeria, but instead killing our superstitions, christianity has kept superstitions alive and well in Nigeria

It is because of christianity that you see highly educated Nigerians that still believe in witchcraft

It is because of christianity that educated Nigerians believe in supernatural wealth

It is because of christianity that Nigerians believe poverty is spiritual

It is because of christianity that people believe selling tour soul to the devil can make you rich.

Yes I blame christianity in nigeria of the epidemic of money ritual we are experiencing.


In Islam miracles are not glorified. Christians should stop pretending they are the solution to the problem, YOU ARE THE CAUSE, YOU ARE THE REASON WHY EDUCATION IS A WASTE IN NIGERIA. AN EDUCATED CHRISTIAN STILL BELIEVES IN MIRACLE WEALTH, BELIEVE IN CURSE OF POVERTY, BELIEVE IN WITCHCRAFT AND WRALTH FROM THE DEVIL.

you guys are keeping superstitions that should have died long ago alive.

See clown
Ritual is from your culture and tradition. Before the coming of chtistianity Afraican society was deeply entrenched in human sacrifice, Christianity put an end to it, what they do now is to do it secretly.

Mary slessor put an end to killing of twins, I guess Mary slessor was a Muslim or an atheist?

The concept of freedom and democracy seems from Christianity.

Christianity places value on human life while atheism has no value on human life, because atheism believes humans are nothing but atoms and subatomic particles interacting with one another, and so an atheists will have no problem murdering people.

The reason while Christianity is the subject of attack is because Christianity has the truth atheists are ready to unite with other religion against Christianity because Christianity is the reason evil has not completely taken over the world.

It is laughable, the other day an atheists failed woefully to prove ritual is supported in the bible, he made a fool out of himself, like an animal of instinct that he is.

The world will come to an end so day and you will give Judged for all the things you have done.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Truly the fool says in his heart there is no God.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Thanks..

You very illogical no need continuing with you.
May God heal you

If anyone die without God's gift of salvation na better suffer be that.

Janosky:
John 14:1 & John 17:3,6-7 no dey your Bible?
JWs are the only people bearing witness about JEHOVAH and his Son, Jesus Christ.
Oga, don't DECEIVE yourself

John 9:4 & John 17:6, Jesus Christ says himself is a member & he doesn't own the Group.
Acts 15:14-17 & Acts 4:12 is God's word spoken by the same people chosen to bear His Father's name.
Just tell yourself the truth.

This one na mumu talk abeg!

The only name way God approve for salvation nah Jesus name

cornelboy:
Do you know the meaning of bear witness?

It means to speak of something or someone.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Ok.

Ok good night sleep well.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Ok..

Now go and sleep. God is still merciful, and he still loves you and his hands are open to receive you.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Did I seek your opinion on that..you are quite desperate tho..

I just pity you tho, you just a living contradiction.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Why not ignore our conversation and stop trying so hard..
I thought you told me already why trying so hard to please your God?

You have entertained me with your clownery

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Despite religious beings belief in God and gods why are they still in Crime?

Lolol, you should have taken my advice to go to bed and now you won't be able to sleep

FERNANDEZISBACK:
You have resorted to tears huh?
I thought you were enjoying it na..

see this clown!
These were your statement

We are limited by our perception of a situation or conditions.. If we misjudge events we may do something wrong without realising it. But whether it is right or wrong really depends on our motivation which will bring our conscience into play..

the goat brain
What is right or wrong depends on the motivation which in turns influences our conscience.
Which means if the money/pleasure etc it is what it.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
And I proved to you that you don't need religion to tell you right or wrong...

kiddo, Go and sleep, it's bedtime.

At the end of the day Atheism has no basis for morality.
You are a kid next time invite a higher IQ atheist.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Conscience kid conscience..

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry Jesus also said many will come in his name and deceive many! Matthew 24:11
Yet there will be a faithful and discreet slave group that will be feeding his true disciples at the proper time! Matthew 24:45

So even among the sects calling on the name of Jesus there is one true group that Jesus is working with that's why only them can produce the expected FRUIT! Matthew 7:16-23

Many will come in Jesus name to deceive, sounds like watch tower.
Jesus said the true worshippers will near witness of him, jwo bear witness of Jehoavh not Jesus.
Jesus said salvation is in him not in a group whether true or not, salvation is not by attaching yourself to a group neither a group thing.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
As human beings we are always trying to learn and understand what other living being is experiencing at a given point of time. When we see life we always feel something..this feeling can be more pronounced when we see something innocent...

lololololololol
Other animals feel pain when they are killed but yet it does not stop you from eating meat!
When an innocent chicken is killed, you eat happily, are you aware that evolution says you and chicken has a common ancestor, meaning you kill you distant relative for food. Lololololo

Next

There is no Human without any feelings...There might be humans hard and strong trained to be heartless and ruthless but they do have a brain a nervous system that makes them to think about there every decision they take during each and every step...

but animals have feelings yet we kill them for food, does that not tell you nature does not care about morality or empathy, conscience must therefore come from a higher source.

Empathy is one of those feelings that made us human beings...
You can keep running round the block baby boy.. you still don't need God or religion to tell you right or wrong..
Drop another one let me keep quenching you..

Always sounding like your pastor when telling his lies..

humans are classified as animals how bet a higher one, there is nothing special about humans, since we are just atomic interactions, a product of cosmic accident or programming.

Lolololool
Why should you have morality when you can make it big by being immoral? You are dodhing

FERNANDEZISBACK:
My comment is available check it out..

your comment is illogical!
Why should you be moral when you can be immoral and make it big?

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Back to my same statement you don't need any religion to tell you right from wrong..
You can derive morals from empathy and reason alone...it's called basic human decency..

With your God are people not getting killed in thousands around the world..keep joking..
Keep joking around..

Lololo empathy? Why a person have empaty when there is no reason to do so?
You very illogical!
What you are saying is that a man should stand for the sake of standing
What defines decency?
Why should someone has empathy, or morality for what purpose?

You don't know the dilemma you are in!
You have no basis zilch whatsoever to say this is right or this is wrong.

FERNANDEZISBACK just proved one thing, she is actually deranged because she thinks her life means something when it means nothing in reality, she just play by emotion, denying reality nature does not follow emotion.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
We do have the ability to reason for ourselves not some God..
I repeat how about your pastors committing horrendous crimes?where is their God when they were doing that..did they not do it due to reasons best known to them or they disobeyed their God who gave them the conscience?

Since, you are a product of nothing less or atoms and particles, life is meaningless, morality Is meaningless only what you make it to be.
We back to my first statement atheism has no basis for morality, conscience is meaningless.

Without God you are just a pile of atoms and nothingness, you can be killed, or anything done to you, it is or part of atomic rearrangement

See cluelessness talking.
My point is not needing religion but God!
God is a necessity! Without God life is meanless, morality is impossible because everyone will simply simply have his or her own morality that further their goal.
I am just laughing at your stupidity! You are like a little child trying to explain complexity.

The conscience in human being was put thereby God. Without God humans would override their conscience any time they feel like. I am sure at a point in your life you have done something against your conscience, it does not mean you were deranged or not normal.

You have not able to provide any explanation for questions because you don't know where it comes and why it is there

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Outline your questions and stop going back and forth..the debate was do you need religion to tell you what's right or wrong?

I proved you wrong and you never put down a logical statement that it does instead you are trying to cover your cluelessness up by asking series of questions that are already answered..

If this is how you wanna keep jumping around then keep it up..

FERNANDEZISBACK:
I will be addressing the summarised part aiit cos the questions are all buffed up in my face..it's nice you summarised them..here we go..
1.i think of it(conscience) as one's automatic sense of morality...It does exist but is developed over a period of time and life experiences..In every day life a person must make thousands of decisions and judgments and to make one such decision without the use of one's conscience could take days of conscious thinking and integrating that is why we need a conscience...Over a period of time your conscious thought about right and wrong become integrated into your subconscious sense of morality making many types of decisions practically automatic...

It is buffed up in your face because you usually go out of point!
So much words but no answers.
Where does that automatic sense of morality come from?
How can you say conscence is automatic yet it is developed through life experiences and over a period of time, you are contradicting yourself.
You make use of your conscience right? That is not my question where does conscience come from?
If you develop conscience what and what are the basis of conscience development?
Do you even think at all?
What if the rapist conscience is developed differently from yours? What makes you think his own conscience is bad while yours is right?
Carnibals eat people, what if their conscience developed different from yours?
What is the basis of knowing right conscience and wrong conscience? Answer the question

2.Conscience is an exceptionally coherent level of consciousness..one where dissonant aspects have all been resolved...As such it offers us a clear-eyed view of things..a perspective from which we can discover wisdom which is right from wrong..

what defines this coherent level of consciousness? Oh because Ferdinanzisback says so? Who make you the universal determinant of what is coherent or not?

3.Conscience forms as a result of what empathy allows or disallows...
Consciousness is being aware you have emotions... simple..
I hope they are understood..

What is empathy? What makes empathy good or bad?
In essence you are saying morality is dependent on feeling.
Lol
So much for atheism reasoning.
Truly the fool said there is no God

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Every human was born with the instinct to differentiate evil and good and you don't need a religion to define that or tell you..

Lolol are you telling me a baby knows how to differentiate between good and evil? Where does conscience come from?

Coming to why people committ crime when they have a conscience..most people who commit evil are mentally deranged or do it out of curiosity and other reason best known to them not their absence of religion in their life.

Do you know the meaning of mentally deranged? Who determines what a crime is, and on what basis?
are you sure you are not the one that is mentally deranged?

Does that make them lack conscience?
How does that makes religion involved?
Or are there no pastors Killin and raping women on a steady basis?why did their religion not direct them?

you have still
not define conscience? what forms conscience?

You really misinterpreted all my points...

clarify yourself! What you are saying is that morality is determine by conscience?
You assume everyone's conscience are the same? Which every make it more miraculous, because in nature you don't find two things exactly alike!
The summary of the question
1. What is conscience?
2. Do you even think that people's conscience might be different hence might have different morality?
3 what forms conscience where does the code come from?

MaxInDHouse:
But are there no religion before Jesus?

There were religion before Jesus! The point is Jesus said that he (a person) is the way , the truth and the light not religion Or organization.

Christianity teaches that salvation lies on faith in Jesus, not on organization or group.

Salvation is not base on work, group identity, culture, character etc but on putting ones faith in Jesus relying on Jesus sacrifice for the remission of sins.
Calling on Jesus name is the only means one can be saved!

achorladey:
And they go about condemning those calling on the name Jesus for salvation. as if na dem be the master of these people in the first place.

yeap the extent at which they have being blinded. I pity them honestly

When you are done ranting, answer the questions?
You are a kid not an adult, you think this is romance section?

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Steep tell me who's the ignorant one now..
A baby boy like you who can't think for himself..

Dumbo is really trying to say religion is what's gonna guide you to know your right from wrong..

Next time think and don't ever bring your religious brainlessness to my mention..