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Who are you calling kiddo?
Goat brain! Answer my question.
Atheism has no moral compass, no basis for morality.
You mention conscience, maybe you should explain why conscience is there in the first place, if there is no God?
Answer the question, if we are nothing but atoms and subatomic particles interaction
1. What is then determine what is right or wrong?
2. What is conscience, why is there conscence?

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Why do you have a conscience kiddo?
Stop bringing your nonsense to my mention..

We've had religion for over 75,000 years, and yet crime is still a thing..religious people still commit crimes. ..
which is a moral compass and which guides us and indicates to us what is right or wrong.

We are limited by our perception of a situation or conditions.. If we misjudge events we may do something wrong without realising it. But whether it is right or wrong really depends on our motivation which will bring our conscience into play..

Tell your pastor he is a clown for not activating your brain..

@ bolded hahahahaha, you think I am one of those romance section guys you always insult so that you get away with stupidity. This is religious section, we don't do jokes or romance here, things are serious.
@ Bolded
1. You said "We are limited by our perception of a situation or conditions.. If we misjudge events we may do something wrong without realising it."

What you are saying is morality depends on your perception, right? What forms that perception?

Carnibals eat people, don't they have conscience? Yes, but yes to them eating humans is right and normal, so according to you it is OK since morality is subjective.

Again you said we can misjudge events and do something wrong without realizing it, which means our conscience is not reliable.

How do we realise something is wrong? What make something wrong, how did our conscience come to know something is wrong or right? Answer the question
Note insults ain't bringing you out, Don't bother

The second half on the bolded, again you said morality is dependent on our motivation, lol provided our conscience is OK with it right?
The man that rapes a woman, is motivated to do it and his conscience tells him it is right because he believes the woman should be for him.
So how do you solve your confusion

achorladey:
The person you are in discussion with have been taught the below.....



Oga cornelboy is the above too GOD'S TRUTH from the organization carrying out purest form of worship?

So scripture like the Acts 4:12 below sound irrelevant to them. They will rather tell you to come to their religious denominations for salvation than to Jesus. The reason you see Max keeps asking for better performing performance group because he has been taught salvation is in the group .

Acts 4: 12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

I know. Even the verse he read says Jesus is the way not Jebovah witness organization
If you ask them what name should one call on to be saved? They will say Jehovah!

FERNANDEZISBACK:
You don't need a religion to tell you what's evil or not..

Stop being an ignorant person...

You are very ignorant! not surprising,

You don't give deep thoughts to your words you follow impulse.

Tell me what makes something wrong or right?

Mind you the foundation of atheism is there is no God, all things are foudatmentally atoms and subatomic particles interacting.

It is so common for atheists to accuse religion for evil practices, whereas atheism itself has no basis for good and evil.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Typing..
Stop acting like Christianity is not worse..
Religion is a big disaster to human being you are here blaming Muslims..

Any belief system that supplants lies and fallacies in place of fact and reality is highly detrimental to society...
Any belief that asserts superiority, seeds divisiveness and discrimination is highly detrimental to society...
Any belief that contains frequent exhortations to murder non believers is highly detrimental to society.
Any belief system that denigrates and devalues women is highly detrimental to society.
Any belief system that denigrates and devalues minorities is highly detrimental to society.
Any belief system that demands belief based on faith alone is highly detrimental to society.
Any belief system that denies science.. opposes scientific advancement, is highly detrimental to society....

So religion as a whole is nothing but pure evil..

On what basis evil defined in atheism? Non!

For an atheist life is meaningless and he/she is a product of atomic arrangement and interaction so nothing is really evil.

There is nothing like evil in athesim.

The concept of evil is from religion not atheism.

MaxInDHouse:
So any religion can lead to salvation, shey?
Then what exactly did Jesus meant by this:

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" John 14:6

Salvation is found in Jesus not in religion.

cornelboy:
Do you believe all religion leads to God? Or universal salvation??

Religion cannot save you, salvation is in a person not in religion

LordTheus:
This much we know. However you're being disingenuous by pretending you don't understand the purpose of the OP. This topic is about people who've been killed because of their lack of belief in gods. Don't you think it says some things about the intolerance and "us versus them" mentality prevalent in the world's most prominent religions? Especially Christianity where "love your neighbor as yourself" is pretty much expressed by adherents as a fundamental maxim? Please let's face the topic.

The word "maryr" can not be used for atheism because atheism is a disbelief not a belief.
That is not to say atheist should be killed for their disbelief which is very very rare except maybe in Islamic countries which actually targets Christians and jews.

Christians do not believe in killing non believers or persecuting non believers but in converting them through love and Meekness otherwise they would be left alone to live in peace.

There must be 'Us vs them' because there exists different ideology and belief system. For example you won't agree to be lumped together with theists because you are not, it is not a matter of mentality but of reality.

Datboredberry:
The majority are theists...

All the religious wars, conquering of lands in the name of God, tortures and murders of 'heathens' and forced conversions... THEISTS!!!

that was because majority of the populace were theists so it is expected to be atheists who were few but the overall issue is that of humanity in general not a matter of theists or non theists.

LordTheus:
People have been killed in the past for their lack of belief in any god(s). Forget semantics, you know what the OP is talking about

People kill people,whether theist or atheists it is a human condition.

Datboredberry:
Funny enough... Those who've killed theists are other theists... Simply different Faiths...

For example:

Christians murdering Traditional worshippers...

Muslims murdering Christians...

It's always one religion versus the other religion...

Stalin was not a theist!
Both theist and atheist has murdered people.

Op turns bible upside down. Rubbish especially this hot afternoon

Good you agree atheism is a religion. It is your fellow atheist that define atheism as unbelief in God.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Atheism not atheist
Unbelief in God is what?not having a belief in your God..

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Atheism can also be said to be the the belief that gods doesn't exist..
Right or wrong?
So why can't you be martyred cos of that belief or idealogy..it musn't be really about religion..
A Marty is someone who suffers persecution due to his belief..faith..and cause...
So sure atheist can be martyred and it happened..

Atheist is usually defined as unbelief in God.
You have just defined atheism as a religion.

Atheists are not innocent as they are part of those who persecute and murder theists and diverse views.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
You sure can be murdered for not believing in others belief..

then that is not martyr.

Op is confused, thought atheism is not religion
Or a belief.
A martyr is someone who is killed for their belief, so when has atheism become a belief?
Atheism is copying religion a concept it claims to oppose, confusing confusion?
How a self claim intelligent person could believe the well structured universe, life itself is a product of nothingness or cosmic accident is the highest form of stupidity that can ever exist.

The proof of God is the everything you see around you.
Life can only come from life, life can never come from non living thing.

JoyReportsOnlin:
Young man showcases the mini port crane he built from scratch in Upper Iweka, Onitsha

Watch video below...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uihLJdu1KcU

Nice, if only this country had vision, our focus should be investing on and training people in various field especially talents like this, in few years we should have moved forward.
Nigerians keep lamenting ' we are far behind' but we should start from somewhere instead of complaining every year.
I pray for leaders with vision for this country for now I have seen non.

Exkandayee:
This is false teaching op,I don't like arguing with the word of God, but I'mma ask you this question,who spoke the the Jesus was baptized, and what did he say, another question I have for you is ,, Jesus Christ Said he doesn't know the hour is only his father that knows it,,I asked you this because you said Jesus is God and God is Jesus,,, these are simple ones, Bible is clear and understanding,stop twisting thing's to suit your doctrines,, answer my questions and I'll ask you another one,and again I'll like you give me Bible verses that says Jesus Christ is God and God is Jesus, thanks

Can you point out what is false about the teachings?
The teachings states that there are three persons in the one God.
Who spoke to Jesus? Simple, the Father another person of God spoke to Jesus and the holy spirit another person of the same God descend on Jesus.

You want verse where Jesus call himself God? OK here it is.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jesus is clearly calling himself the I AM here which of of course is an expression used only by God almighty.

Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

You see these verses, first verse Jesus is saying he is I AM, second verse John says Jesus is God.

ednut1:
Christianity and Christians are a joke

A peadophile, murderer, and a complete madman a prophet is what you believe in, no wonder, sanity is a joke to you.

Arewa247:
In the book of Isaiah 46:5 God says To whom will you liken me and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be alike? Meaning you cannot compare God with anything that is why in Islam its a very big sin to compare God with anything.
In the book of luke 4: 41 demons were coming out of many, shouting and saying, “You are the Son of God! ” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Messiah. Meaning Jesus reject people calling him son of God when he is alive because he is only messiah not son Of God.
In the book of Mathew 8:11 Jesus refers himself as the son of man.
In the book of john 14:28 You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. Meaning God is greater than jesus.
The concept of trinity is totally out of context because the above verses go against it. Jesus is the messenger Of God

You don't compare Islam to Christianity, Islam is a false religion created by Mohammed because of power and control.
In the Koran Allah don't even know what the Trinity is, to begin with.

Allah forbid idolatry but command Muslim to worship and kiss the black stone.
In Islam prostitution is allowed provided the woman is unmarried or divorced.

Islam is a complete garbage, my friend

Arewa247:
In the book of Isaiah 46:5 God says To whom will you liken me and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be alike? Meaning you cannot compare God with anything that is why in Islam its a very big sin to compare God with anything.
In the book of luke 4: 41 demons were coming out of many, shouting and saying, “You are the Son of God! ” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Messiah. Meaning Jesus reject people calling him son of God when he is alive because he is only messiah not son Of God.
In the book of Mathew 8:11 Jesus refers himself as the son of man.
In the book of john 14:28 You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. Meaning God is greater than jesus.
The concept of trinity is totally out of context because the above verses go against it. Jesus is the messenger Of God

Islam said Jesus is word from Allah, is that True? Is word of Allah created or not created?

Concerning the bible Jesus said many times that he is the Son of God, and he also said he is God.

legennd2:
I think this is an interesting way to explain the trinity. It is such a difficult concept to understand, but this puts it simply. God bless you, bro.

God bless you too

Kdon2:
I think you have a very shallow mind so no matter how well the explanation is, your types can't just comprehend it. It's very unfortunate bro.

nobody can comprehend God in totality but we can comprehend what he reveals to us in his word the scripture.

pitroski:
The way you are body soul and spirit at the same time

I love the way you said at the same time.

Another way to look at this, is to consider that God is called love, and truth.

If God is love and truth, there must be a giver, and a receiver and one who attest to that love as true.
The father gives love, and the Son is the receiver and center of that love and the holy spirit is the attestation to that love, this can only be possible only if God exist in three distinct persons or center of consciousness.
Hence Jesus testimony is true because the father who is another person attest to Jesus testimony and he also said the holy spirit will bear witness of it, this can only be true only if God is actually a Trinity of persons.

The father, son and holy spirit refers to the persons of God.

Imagine a single source of light, in this single source of light there are three distinct colors of ray.
The single light source is liken to the being but the ray is liken to the persons.

When person is used concerning the Trinity it doesn't refer to form or appearance but center of consciousness. Whereas the rays are different in colors but they are same light source.
God doesn't have a source, but he is a being that is self existent but this being has three separate centre of consciousness, hence he exist in three persons each person relates with each other, which is God actually relating withing himself.

The father, son and holy spirit is the way each person relates with each other.
The only begotten son is called so, because he relates with the first person as a son would to a father, the holy spirit called so because he acts as the power of God, the Father is the initiator and authority of God.

Our body works distinctly too, your hand is recognized as your hand by your brain, your legs is identified as your legs etc
This is because each member of your body has different roles and relations with each other.

So Jesus is called the son of God because of his relationship with the father which is base on his person but he is God as to his being.
As a person he is the Son of God, the word but as to his being or essence he is same God as the father and the spirit.

A man can be a father, he is a human as to his being but as for his relationship he is a father. So father, son are strictly relationship terms.

HedwigesMaduro:
You're even worse than I thought. Now, go through all the posts I've made and bring out any statement where I stated I was a Jehovah's Witness. You keep showing your ass, and it is entertaining. Now, do you have any further silliness in your repertoire for my evening pleasure?

I am a night mare to liars, so you know.

UnusualEmissary:
Y'all (powers from all over the world) should continue flexing the tiny, overrated muscles you've got. You people will never be able to exercise true power. You simply do lack the rudiments of true power and cannot really provide credible solutions to the problems of the world. That's why the world keeps falling into problems upon problems while it's in your care

Just wait for The Unity. He is coming soon. And when he comes, The world will recognize what true power really is and how effective it is in solving world problems.

We await your coming, The Unity

You mean the anti christ AKA the beast who will unite the world under the banner of peace and security, whose end is destruction from the Almighty, some of us know the game that is playing.
Suddenly there is inter religious cooperation to solve problem, inter faith is a satanic deception to lead bring a one world religion under the word 'Love for humanity'

MaxInDHouse:
The same world rulers that introduced gold and silver for trade changed it to paper money so it's the same people who introduced direct slavery in ancient times that brought indirect slavery in modern times.
Back in ancient times they will kidnap you and sell you into slavery where you'll work all your life without pay except food, clothing and a place to lay down your sorry head so that by the time you and a female mate together their slaves increases.
But in modern times they allow you to work while all the gains goes to them and their families, and while you're earning something tangible they will demand you pay TAXES as DUES.
So nothing has changed it's the same system.
Humble yourself and learn!

Zombie! This is not the question, what made the world leaders cancel slave trade, is that they just wake up to it? Which country promoted slave freedom, which religion influenced the country to do so?
Trinitarians have solid fruit over 100's of years to prove they serve a true God..

Jesus said these signs shall follow them that believe

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Your organization has proven to be false prophets by speaking lies in the name of Jehovah

Deuteronomy 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

MaxInDHouse:
BIBLE STUDY TIME!

Worship belongs to God alone but dues and taxes belongs to Worldly Rulers! Matthew 22:21

Please humble yourself and learn from Jesus' anointed brothers before it's too late!

Your senses are upside down, how you say a minute that non supporting military is your organization fruit, and now you are justifying supporting the military with tax first you said because you are forced now you have shifted goal post to because it's not worship..

Thank you very much, you have simply declared that supporting military is not a worship to Gof but a duty to earthly government but a minute ago you were listing not supporting military as part of the fruit of your organization, which shows your Cognitive dissonance and acute brainwashed zombie.

MaxInDHouse:
It's the same people who introduced it that stopped it: WORLD RULERS!

So world leaders just woke up and suddenly decided to stop slave trade that has being on for thousands of years

MaxInDHouse:
You see how you're deceiving yourselves?

Jesus said:

However, when he entered the house, Jesus spoke to him first and said: “What do you think, Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth receive duties or head tax? From their sons or from the strangers?” When he said: “From the strangers,” Jesus said to him: “Really, then, the sons are tax-free. But that we do not cause them to stumble, go to the sea, cast a fishhook, and take the first fish that comes up, and when you open its mouth, you will find a silver coin. Take that and give it to them for me and you" Matthew 17:25-27

If you're not confused how do you think taxes are paid? Is it not by force that world rulers are demanding it from the sons of those they don't value? What concerns a believer with the things they do with the tax they forcefully imposed on us?

Well learn today that Jesus clearly stated that tax paying is by force not voluntary that's why those imposing it only do to children of others while their own children are tax free!

Clown if world leaders force you to bow to idols you will bow down because it is force.

World leaders force you to pay money to kill your fellow Jehovah witness! Where is the faithfulness to your doctrines?