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Shokoloko:
Its not said who they are to teach. Lets not add

1Tim 2 talks about marriage. You are free to pretend it does not, but know this you have no authority over any woman that is not your wife.
If you have no authority over any woman that is not your wife, then she cannot usurp authority from a man who never had authority over her in the first place.

you are going emotional, this is God's word not mine or any man.
It is not a woman having "authority over a man" but usurping the authority to lead and teach in the church.

Paul never said in marriage, but obviously a place of Christian worship.

1. Where All men should pray and lift up holy hands
2. In such a gathering A woman should learn in silence.
3. They should not usurp the authority to preach or lead over a man meaning in place of a man. But however not every man is qualified to teach or lead the church.


1 Timothy 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Again your theory of Paul only speaking in terms of marriage is thrashed.


Paul description of the qualities of a bishop or a pastor or a church leader.

1.You even agree that he must be an husband of one wife, which is true.
2 Amongst other qualities he must rule over his own house.
A woman cannot rule over her house which include her husband.
If a woman cannot rule over her house then she cannot lead the church.


1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

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Shokoloko:
Titus 2:3-5
The older women will
1; Teach what is good and after teaching what is good
2: Urge younger women to love husbands and children.

Older women are to teach younger women not the whole church.

Shokoloko:
So take out the qualified part. meaning if there is no man to teach a congregation, there should be no church service that day?

Take a look at the scripture you gave. A lot lot of words there show that this is a scripture between a man and his wife.
But a suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man. the word "the" is a particular man (her husband)
You do not have authority over another man's wife.
You do not have authority over the daughter of another man until you marry her.
So that the reader is not confused Paul gives example with a married couple in the next verse.
Paul goes on to talk about child-bearing which is a result of a marriage.
So clearly Paul is not talking about church here but about the marriage.
And yes I agree that women should listen to their husbands and not usurp authority over the man.

You don't take out the qualified part.
The word "the man" is absolutely talking of a male who is qualified to teach and lead.

Paul is not talking about marriage but the church. In church the woman should not teach nor usurp authority the man.
1 Timothy 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

No Paul was not talking about marriage but the church.

Shokoloko:
you are wrong, there was no where Paul instruct any Christian church to follow the cultural/political law in Christian assembly. Taxes are paid externally to world government not a rule in the church. This is the scripture I found for this Matthew 22:21 Then he said to them, “Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” Jesus wants his disciples to pay political taxes

Christian assembly is not a cultural/political assembly, why will you say Paul is telling Corinthian Christians to obey cultural or political law?

Please give scripture for this: But a woman is not to take leadership role except probably there is not a qualified man.

Note Paul was instructing Timothy on the qualification of pastors, deacons etc

1 Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

The woman should not teach nor usurp authority over a man.
Meaning the authority to teach and lead primarily is a male one which a woman should not take for herself.

Mind you this admonition is for church gathering not private interactions.

"Except there is not a qualified male" is just my opinion which is borne out of the word usurp.
Meaning if there is a qualified man then the mantle fall on the man not the woman.

Shokoloko:
Please let me have scriptures for all your assertions. We are here to learn.

What assertions?

Shokoloko:
We are all here to learn
1. In Nigeria there is separation of church and state. There is NO law in the constitution in Nigeria that dictates the type of person who should head a church/ church departments. Since there is no law of the land /constitution concerning the headship of a church/church departments in Nigeria, we are bound to the law of Christ/the church. In some countries you cannot build a church - as long as the state forbids it, as Christians no need to make a fracas, do your evangelism and stick to your house fellowships.

If there is No law in a land concerning an issue, use the law of Christ
If there is a law in the land negating the law of Christ, use the law of Christ eg some communities have laws about wife swapping. It negates the law of Christ.
If there is a law in the land that neither negates/ nor agrees with the law of Christ use the law of the land. If the tax states to pay tax (it neither negates/agrees with Christ) pay the tax. If you are in a place where tax is not paid, why would you pay tax?

you are wrong, there was no where Paul instruct any Christian church to follow the cultural/political law in Christian assembly. Taxes are paid externally to world government not a rule in the church.

2. Can you prove that Abraham and David were Christians? I can prove that they were not. Acts 11:26 And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Can you prove that Abraham and David were leaders IN CHURCH? I can prove that they were not. Acts 2:47, Acts 11:26 And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

[quote]3. Explain 1st Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

4. Cambridge dictionary does not show a difference between "preach" and "go and tell" (see photo). Mary was asked to go get people to accept that Jesus had resurrected and was alive. Is that not the great commission? Acts 18:25-27 When Priscilla and Aquila heard him preaching boldly in the synagogue, they took him aside and explained the way of God even more accurately. Do you see Paul receiving correct ion in doctrine from a woman? Acts 18:25-27

I would like you to use bible verses for your points since we are discussing from the bible. I will also do the same.

While you are right about polygamous men being barred from taking leadership position. But a woman is not to take leadership role except probably there is not a qualified man.
It doesn't say a woman cannot preach, prophesy or teach a man privately like Priscilla buy in the church is not to teach (instead of a qualified male) or exercise authority over a man.
God's standard remains even inspite of the heavy disobedience present in churches.

Halleluyah

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CamusMidas:
Oga be realistic with life, so what if his soul is taken and he died? At least he has build a solid foundation for kids to continue from, is the poor man going to live forever? And when he eventually die, where would his children start from?

I am not saying don't invest in yourself or children future but the greatest and enduring one is Kingdom investment, and by the way for a Christian the goal of raising a family is also a kingdom one which is to raise a Godly nation.

CamusMidas:
Investing on yourself.

Luke 12:16 And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully:

12:17 And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits?

12:18 And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods.

12:19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.

12:20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?

12:21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.

The answer is Kingdom investment!


Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

There are two things that will happen to all our earthly investment, either they leave us or we leave them behind.

Any investment that is not kingdom focused is a complete waste!
Money, degrees, family, Time, properties etc if they are not for the increase and expansion for the kingdom then, they are all useless and a waste of living.
Solomon said all of man's labour under the sun is vanity.

Ecclesiastes 12:8 Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity.

The early Christians will sell their possessions for the kingdom.

Investing in the Kingdom has its benefit both here on earth and in eternity.




In summary, all our actions, goals etc should always be kingdom centered.

Faith in christ plus nothing! Amen

That is right

Truvelisback:
Yea, Jesus is the Source.

Yeap 100%

Truvelisback:
Yea, u are right. However, one has to put his faith into work also. I.e by being the doer of what he or she believes, not just by words alone. The Book of James says: Faith without works is dead.

Yes putting faith into works which itself is the evidence of salvation not the source.

SPTruth:
Having faith in Jesus plus no work is equal to the third servant who buried his talent(matt 25:14), to the fig tree who bore no fruits. Having faith in Jesus will produce fruits some a 100fold, some 200fold. Works are a product(fruits) of Faith in the Lord. If your Faith in the Lord is not producing good works, then there's an error some where. Remember the Word pf God says in 2 Cor 5:10, For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
However, I am saying all these because I think what you mean by works is doing righteous deeds, please don't be offended if I mistook your statement.

No sir! Not the same!
The man who buried his talent is not a Christian, read again, the man referred to the master as a wicked man who reap where he did not sow, that is someone who pretends to love the Lord but does not.

2cor5:10 is talking about the bema judgment seat of Christ, where every Christian would be rewarded for their labor, however no body is condemned to the lake of fire!
The judgment were people are condemned to the lake of fire is the great white throne which is for unbelievers.
I agree with you if you faith is not producing good works it might be your faith is a dead one faith (counterfeit one).

Righteous deeds does not justify a man

You heard me right!

The bible said we are all sick all humans this sickness is called sin and God is administering treatment free of change, this treatment is Jesus christ.
We receive this cure by believing that truly he died of us and raised up for our justification.

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Salvation is free!
Faith in Jesus plus nothing, not baptism, not restitution, not penance, no nothing just Jesus only.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

caesymore:
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Mhen...
rightly stated though 85% of people on this thread will disagree but God does not do with majority.



Now the Nairalander above me lacks understanding of the word. The text he quoted embodies a lot of things, 'Believing in the name of God also denotes you believe you are wonderfully and fearfully made' I wonder how one who applies all this mentioned on this thread still believes she is wonderfully made

It saddens me that we choose to err against God's word and still feel interested in making heaven. Why not proudly do it this way, if you can't be for God fully shun him and enjoy your sin without justifying the sin and trying to paint it as acceptable by God.
Hell or Heaven as most believe exist either must be ones portion, why not go to either one flying your flag higher on the go proudly and without apology?

As for me anyone I get on that day if be, I know I worked for it and proudly will embrace it as they say there is no partiality .

You speaking from ignorance! It is a contradiction to say a born again Christian is going to hell! Do you people even read the Bible at all?
You gobble every crap that flies in so far it reels your emotion.

You believe you get to heaven by works? Which heaven by the way? Because God's word said our righteousness is nothing by filthy rag before God.
Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

No Human being can be justified by deeds of the Law.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

God is super holy no flesh can last a second before his judgment seat.
Only those washed with the blood of Jesus can be in heaven not a filthy man boasting about his works.

everythinggirly:
I don't think so. One has to observe the commandments and exercise faith in him to be saved. Only believing and making him personal lord and savior makes you nothing.

Nobody can be righteous by observing the commandments, the only way to be righteous is by faith.
Faith in christ is absolutely sufficient nothing to be added.

chiommy123:
You don't just believe cos faith without work is dead

nah madam you just believe no works added.
Faith in Jesus plus nothing is what saves.

SPTruth:
Yes, believing in Jesus makes one saved, for it is written in Romans 10:9
[9]Because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and in your heart believe that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

But what does it really mean to Believe?
The Amplified Bible puts it in the best way, Romans 10:9

[9]Because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and in your heart believe (adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth) that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Believing means adhering to, trusting in and relying on Jesus Christ. Believing is not a one-off event rather it is a continuous event. Believing is not what should be done once only in the crusade ground or by the church altar where you gave your life to Christ. It is to be done everyday and the fruits are to be evident in our lives. When you give your life to Jesus, and believe in Him, the Holy Spirit will take charge of your Life. When you declare that Jesus is your Lord, you mean He is your President, Oga, Commander of your life. You are making a statement to the world that it is Jesus that you will obey not the world or the devil. For it is written, he who you obey, that is he who is your master. When you Believe in Jesus, you obey his commands in extension showing you love Him. Even when you err, you will be quick to run back to His feet and ask the Father for forgiveness of sins through His Son Jesus Christ, and also ask for the Grace not to sin again, and He is faithful to answer your requests.

God is calling us today to Believe in Him not with mouthy talks but through our actions. Let us ask Him for the Grace to refuse to take bribes, commit sexual immorality, tell lies, and indulge in other vices because we believe in Him.

God wants you today to Believe that your help doesn't come from stealing, lying or fornication, but it comes from the Lord who made Heaven and Earth.

May The Holy Spirit of God continue to guide our hearts and lead us to the point of believing and relying totally on Jesus.

People believe in Jesus for different reasons, which are counterfeits
But the faith Jesus talked about is the faith in him to be justified and set free from sin.

John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.


Human beings are slave of sin and condemned by it, but Jesus is the lamb of God who take away the sin of the world,
Romans said nobody can do good, all have sinned and fall short of his glory.
It is God that reach down from heaven to us to save us, and he told us in his word that we simply trust in him.
Faith is simple, infact it is so simple that manywant to make it complex so they can boast, God hate the pride and boasting of man.
Faith means to believe what Jesus said about himself, about us, about all.

When we believe in Jesus we stop trying to be righteous by our strength and just accept the righteousness of God given freely to us.

Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

LoveUdie:
As a Christian woman, you cannot makeup and make heaven at the end.

Let's check out dictionaries, as an action word, what does it mean to makeup? To make up means to:
1, to invent or cook a story, "She like making up stories against her friends'
2, to make up also means to compensate for something lost, missed, or deficient. "I'll make up the time tomorrow"

From these two dictionary's definitions of make up, we can see that: (i) using makeup is making up a fake, artificial beauty that is not real. It is a cover-up, fake life and children of God cannot involve in such ungodly habit. (ii) women who use makeup see God's creation as imperfect, so they are trying to make up God's deficiency. Women who use makeup are passing message to God that, "God, why did you create my finger nails short, my eye lashes short, my hair too short, but nevermind, I will make up to Your deficiency"

No woman who believes God created her perfectly will ever use makeup, you don't makeup a perfection. A diamond does not need to be painted to show value. It is because you believe God did not create you perfectly that is the reason you use makeup as a woman.

Only those who see themselves as ugly use makeup to cover up their ugliness. If you see yourself as a perfect and beautiful image of God, you will not use makeup.

I am not here to argue with you, that is not my business, but my business is to prayerfully tell you the truth and how you respond to the truth is your own business.

All Christians women using makeups, bleaching, lightening or whitening their skins, loaded with jewelries, wearing mini-skirts, tight skirts or trousers are candidates of hell fire, no matter how zealous and serious they are in the Lord, no matter how fireful and powerful they are in the Lord, those satanic materials will never allow them to enter heaven.

You know what I will advise you? If truly you are a child of God, go back to the Lord to speak to you as you open up your heart and He will reveal the truth about all these to you before it is too late.

Before you ask your questions, let me ask you this simple question, when you stand at the gate of heaven, what will be your justifiable reason as a Christian woman, born again daughter of God for using make up, for fixing nails, eye lashes, for wearing tight trousers, skirts, tops, mini-skirts, shorts? What will be your reasons before holy angels of God for bleaching, lightening, whitening or “toning” your skin? What?

Listen, not using makeup, jewelry, tight trousers and skirts, alone, is not enough to take you to heaven if you don’t live a sanctified life, but using them alone is enough to take you to hell fire!
Source: https://www.allsinglesandmarried.com

False!
What will take you to hell is not believing on Jesus the messiah.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

You cannot say someone who is born again is going to hell that is a very big lie.

What is the definition of a person who is born again?
1. He does not live in rebellion or sin against God,/keep his or herself.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

2. He knows God and He does righteousness.

1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

3. He already has eternal life.
1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
4. Has passed from death to life.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

LiveLifeHub:
It baffles me that the religion section is dominated by those who claim not to believe in religion, and they have succeeded in dominance by their constant bashing christianic post and posting of Antichrist articles. Whereas, here I found just few spirit uplifting posts.
I wonder if we have true Christians here, not church fanatics, followers of M.O.G, tongue speakers (with no Power)?
Do we have Christians who truly never live for themselves but for Christ, those who are ready to spread the true mind and love of Christ on this medium.
Those who will use this medium to propagate the true Gospel of Christ and savage religious and societal decadence.

They are. Everyone (christians) should be in evangelism, this forum is saturated with unbelievers.

Atheism is really a religion!

God bless you!

Many people live like they are the landlords and landladies of this life, they forgot they meant it and they will surely leave it behind.

Nothing is sure in this world but only death.
Repent and believe in Jesus christ.

PrinceMajestic:
Christians are always stupid and nasty group of people. Muslims accept Christian girl students without forcing them to wear hijab but on the other hand Christians reject hijab wearing Muslims girls because they are envious of how Muslims are able to stay committed to protecting women dignity by properly covering up. Christian girls are evil prostiitutes who dress half naked in this country so they want to corrupt Muslim girls to dress seductive with short skirts that can enable Christian pervert teachers to spy on Islamic panties/cunts but Muslims community in Nigeria won't allow them have that chance hence the rejection of hijab wearing Muslims girls. Shameless Christians, shame on you promoters of prostitution. The 2 religion are evil and Terrorists groups but I always prefer the lesser evil which is Islam and I hope to add Islamic bitches to my harem, nothing is as sweet as fhuckin these Muslim girls in their hijabs. I love hijabs but not the smelling ones

you mean Islam protect women's dignity? what a pathetic contradiction.
Your prophet Mohammad was a peadophile who married a six year old girl! Muslim men are free to beat their wives, free to divorce at anytime they wish, free to marry more women, women are slaves in Islam.

Protecting women's dignity indeed

MrBrownJay1:
you demons are quick to want to act holier than thou, when your own jesus taught you to accept everyone. your "holybook" tenets dictates that NOBODY should be discrimnated upon, but as you people read your holybook upside down, please do tell us all where in the below verse does it say that you couldnt accept/teach people because they were different:

Romans 14:1-4
14 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

Romans 15:7
Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.

oga shut up! Quoting what you don't accept and clueless of!
Atheism always aiding and supporting terrorism!

Are you serious? You are an ignorant man!


You don't really need a supernatural or a spirit being to believe in spirituality?
An atheists can believe he is connected to nature can't he?
He can believe his actions or inaction can affect nature can't he?
What if he believes offering human sacrifice I a way to tap into some hidden human evolutionary instincts?
Atheistic satanism teaches such! It teaches sacrifices, rituals, libations, etc are not really offered to any spirt being or God but a way of man communicating with his inner nature or hidden evolutionary human nature.



there are indeed atheists that believe in spiritualism. Stop clowning around

Dliquidmetal:
okay,now he be like I no go reply you again o
You shifted from your "rituals"(which made me comment btw) to focusing on spirits having a different meaning . An atheist believes in mind,emotions and all the other things you mentioned but to an atheist or even an average person "spirits" have to do with the supernatural which an atheist doesn't believe in. You can keep shifting goalposts sha na you get your phone but anyone going through this thread would see the nonsense you're saying.

Atheism is unbelief in God. It does not include unbelief in spirits. Mind you spirt can mean, mind, emotion, ego, uncontrolled forces of nature, even alcohol is called spirits.
Atheism simply means unbelief in God. Full stop.

Dliquidmetal:
nawa for una o,do you not understand what atheism or who an atheist is?? Why are you saying this shit? An atheist doesn't believe in the existence of God or gods,spirituality in general how then could they participate in rituals??
Una go just go just dey think say everyone must be like you guys,educate yourself on who an atheist is before commenting rubbish on the net. Google dey for you.

You are an ignorant fool! Yea the bible call you a fool not me.
The church of Satan is atheistic in nature they don't believe in literal Satan or god's, they teach these are symbolic construct to represent human minds and ego.
What makes you think human sacrifice would not be offered as part of tapping into hidden evolutionary nature of human mind?
Atheism could as well lead to human ritual, it doesn't need to be offered to a literal god.

1Sharon:
Can you pls use your sense.

When human sacrifice is carried out, isn't it to appease a god/gods?

Now what god is an atheist sacrifising to?