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Silly Id.iot

Sorry, I meant she is not really the PM. She has resigned and she is tying off loose ends. She will not be making any big decisions in this matter either.

Mikora:
The three of you are a bunch of ignoramuses. Go and get informed before you quote me again with your ignorant posts. Theresa May is still the British Prime minister

I know right. People make it seem like Iran is going not fall because of some sanctions.

I strongly believe this is not going to escalate to a war. Both leaders will regret it. I doubt other EU countries are going to sign off on it.

Trapping:
Iran lived under UN sanctions for over 10 years, (you know what that means? It means that the whole world sanctioned Iran) and they survived it. Why do you think the US sanctions will break them.

Normally, there citizens are way too patriotic and they understand the game the west is playing against them. In fact, citizens of most countries under US sanctioned almost always rally round there leadership and that's a way to show loyalty and patriotism.

Who is this one? Have you been living on Mars since 2000?

imam07:
Iran is not that type of country that can give US problem. Their leaders are only risking the life's of its Iranian citizens because they think like terrorists whose the life of his people do not mean anything to them. If Iranian leaders value the life's of their citizens, they will not be taking all these risk.

What about strong backlash from their citizens? People are not going to fall for this, everyone is tired of war and refugee crisis. Besides, who doesn't love Iranians.

Trapping:
Bro forget story. Iran lived 40 years under UN sanctions and survived it, in fact in those years they developed an efficient missile program. What makes you think they wouldn't be able to survive the US sanctions.
Don't tell me you're listening to those 'misyarns' from British and american media.

America and Britain will do nothing, absolutely nothing. All trump will do is to mouth off. In fact the guy is not even mouthing off again against foreign adversaries since his bluff has been called over and over again.

Don't get me wrong, it is true that in an all out war American and Britain will defeat Iran, but the question is at what cost? I tell you US is scared to death to face Iran in any war scenario in the middle east - reason, america cannot fathom the costs of such war. So they can only sanction and sanction.

Yeah, like they did the last time ba.


You should really stick to what you know

imam07:
what is hard nut to break? U better don't say what u dont know. Do u realize d rate at which Iranian citizens are suffering because of d US sanctions. Very soon US will bring down the present government and install their choice.

It is not going to escalate to that point.

ednut1:
Iran is heading towards destruction. The combo of israel, uk , saudi and USA go deal with them wella. Nevertheless its about time someone stood up to these bullies

Theresa May is not timid. Theresa May is no longer the PM

Mikora:
Just watch as the timid Theresa may will fold like a chicken and do nothing

There is no democracy and there is no victory.

Cherrybae:
This is victory for democracy, kudos to our judiciary, the last hope of the common man.
God bless Buhari for upholding the rule of law. Nigeria shall be great again

Your ancestors said same when they banned killing of twins.

alphaNomega:
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[s]Clearly you don't understand shi.t and have refused to use your head. Maybe when you get older you will learn, maybe you will never. Only time can teach you something now.[/s]

Bye

This man doesn't understand shit.

Bayelsa may have equal representation with Kano, what about other States? Does he understand the reason that they have equal represention?

You pay attention

1) Bridal list and all other shit isn't my headache. I don't care of it. Funny enough, it is between men. I don't care for it. What I know is, you cannot bound an adult and you cannot sell a human be it a child or an adult. If we are talking about this matter, I care less for archaic opinions.

2) You keep forgetting that culture differs. My mum cannot claim anything from my dad's family. Every child knows his family. If she is claiming anything, it is against my dad. They can inherit each other. Yet they pay bride price but families don't go about kidnapping someone else's children with exceptions.

It is the reason we have the courts to enforce fairness and justice. I was made aware that in some parts of the Igbo culture, a married woman cannot inherit her father's. Guess what? That archaic silly irrational tradition is no longer binding. Thanks to the Court.


3) The names are given by the father. Like I told your friend, if anyone has an objection to what names a parent should give their child, you know where the father is. Take a trip.


Now pay attention and this time, use your brain.

Why should my child, the one I gave birth to, the one I carried for nine months deemed to belong to someone else? A child is always going to be a child to his mother and father. To everyone else, she is a grandchild, niece etc. If you ask this family to choose between the son that died and the baby, guess who they are going to choose? It won't even take a second. Give them a choice between the wife and their son? Let's try that test again with two of their sons? It is the only tough test.

In this scenario, the woman wants her child not some silly entitlement. If selling human being is your tradition or exchange of material things for people's rights and autonomy is your culture, may I ask how much did your mother cost your father? I mean no insult, afterall you buy and sell women and children.

alphaNomega:
Now pay attention

African traditional marriage brings a twist to the part I highlighted. I previously wrote here that our traditional wedding ceremonies is the same as "buying of wife". If it is not, why is the bride not given a list of rites to fulfill because she wants to marry a man?

After marriage, the woman is GIVEN OFF to the husband's family that is the truth your elders have not told you. Maybe they are waiting for you to realise it but thank your days for nairaland.com

Sure she can still identify with her family, it does not mean she should be alienated by them either.

THE CHILD BELONGS TO THE FATHER'S FAMILY. You that is talking, is your surname your father's family name or your mother's maiden/family name? Did you ever hear your father going to his wife's family to claim property or entitlements after he married her? But your mum is entitled to certain benefits in her husband's extended family and it varies among our cultures.

I hope you understand?

You are the one missing the point in this argument. The argument mother does not belong to the husband's family. She is part of the family by virtue of marriage. Last I checked, marriage is said to be between two families not one against another. Marriage does not mean they get to decide what happens to someone's child.

His argument is that the child belongs to the father's family. Once she decides to remarry, she shouldn't carry that child to another family...whatever that meant in his archaic mind.

alphaNomega:
Two of you are missing some points from your argument. Let me put it this way,

1. The child belongs to the mother (obviously, anyone who argues against this should be flogged 5 times)

2. The mother is now a member of the husband's family. I mean, what was the point of a traditional wedding if you were not going to accept the lady in your home.

3. Following the above points, both child and mum belong to husband's family. (Damn I'm beginning to sound like a broken record )

4. You SHOULD NOT separate mother from child. This is everyone's grief against the father's family, at least going by the story the OP has shared so far.

No matter how patriarchal your culture is, the mother still deserves some respect. We still need to know the whole truth of this matter. Yoruba, Edo and Esan people are not as bad as some posters have tried to make it here.

Let me add that going by some traditions, a mother will loose custody of a child if she decides to remarry outside the husband's family. These terms and conditions are clearly explained to all parties involved I.e. the mother, the new husband, the husband's family members and even the child when he/she comes of age (if necessary, because they will ask questions)

I am very much Yoruba by the way. It happens but it is not common and it is not be norm. Besides ours is a patriarchal society, nothing should suprise you.

kaziblake:
Bleep The hate on yorubas is real mehn because these are pure lies

You linked piercing and anklets to being a prostitute. That is my problem with you.

nobodytestme:
I just answered you, my relationship, my choice.
you can pierce everywhere around your body for all I care, that is none of my business.
I just laid down my own., and you talk about civilisation, and also say I went off track??
go read what you wrote down again.
This is going to be my last reply, cuz don't want to make this thread about us,..trust me you wouldn't like that. I'm just gonna act matured plus a I'm little busy too to be replying,so I'm just going let this slide away.
you should get busy too, you need it.

You have gone off track. Please answer the question

Are tribal women hoes?

If you don't like the fashion, that is your choice. However you don't get to cal their who do goes? Your babe may not be putting on anklets but she may more mileage than that babe you see around with tons of piercing.

nobodytestme:
my dear, my relationship, my life.. I'm settling down with her early next year, and not with you plus her simplicity is what attracted me to her.
if you don't like "CIVILIZATION" like you said, go back to wearing leafs and stop wearing clothes na, also stop wearing shoes either, walk around bare footed, since you want to talk about civilization
My relationship, my choice, not yours dear.. Gracias

Does that mean all tribal women are hoes?

See what 'civilisation' has caused?

nobodytestme:
good one from the guy.. the issue also came up with my girl yesterday, she wants a second piercing on her ear, asked her what was wrong with the first one..? Ear dey pain you
long story short, pierce a second one and we break up.
From second piercing now, to wearing anklet, and then spraying hair follows.
if I want to date a hoe, I know where to go pick one, I look responsible, so you have to as well.

I have confirmed that irredeemable sexist if you think that archaic tradition still holds water at this point in time. You must think we are still living in that age where your folks walk around covered with leaves.

Let a divorced man go to court and claim custody because he owns his children and they bear his name or the father's family justify why they have more claim to a child that had a living mother.

deltateam:
I have confirmed you are nuts and beyond simple comprehension.

Wow! There are lot of kidnappers on the forum. Who knew? How many children have you kidnaped from the mothers in name of a stupid archaic tradition?

deltateam:
Its either you are not living in Nigeria or you were born in the bush otherwise you will know a child married traditionally belongs to the man's family and bears their name.

The child in question is a minor and should be raised by the mother unless she's incapacitated.

Go back and tell your father or uncle if you have to educate you. Stop spreading your ignorance.

You will be alright

phineas:
You are obviously a representative of the family or you speak for them. Go and return the child to the recuperating widow

Yorubas family that insist on marrying the widow. There are Yoruba families that exclude the wife and children from inheriting their husband and father's. There are Yoruba families that have kidnapped someone else's child( this is very rare though, it depends on the family)

Most cultures are patriarchical which means in every culture women including widows widow is often treated unfairly and unjust. This is not a war between tribes. Nothing is special about our tribe.

phineas:
Then you are the type they call omo ale jati jati. For bringing your Yoruba heritage as an excuse to justify nonsense.

Yoruba people are noble and they don't stand for injustice. No Yoruba family will do this without widespread condemnation from all Yoruba persons. They will even shun and blacklist the guys family. So what exactly is your point

List of father's family

1. Grandfather- Father's father
2. Grandmother- father's mothrt
3. Uncle- Father's brother
4. Aunt- Father's sister
5. Cousins- father's nieces and nephews

Your claim is that the above have rights over a woman whose egg was fertilised, carried the child for nine months, delivered the child and probably breastfed the child all because it is the father's family that owns the child.

djon78:
Grandmother never came in the particular case I mentioned. You are the one twisting things to suit your narrative

The definition of father's family excludes grandmother abi.

djon78:
And where was grandmother mentioned in what I said. Go and read my 1st post here, your understanding is suspect

Muric needs to mnd it's business

You think it is me that has time to engage words with a man who thinks a grandmother has a right over child than the birth mother.

djon78:
And you have had reasoning Abeg shift one side. You think its to blow grammar. I no get time to exchange word with woman

That is because you don't have any other thing to add.
You post has been devoid of reasoning. It is not going to change now.

djon78:
You call traditional marriage bloody formalities?

I don't have any other thing to say

The woman was the one that fell from sky. The woman's DNA, family history etc iare absent in the child's abi? She was born by vigin Mary abi? She no get bloodline or family?

It takes two people to have a particular child. Traditional marriage and every other bloody event are formalities that doesn't add or remove the fact that it takes two human to have a child. They have equal right over the seed that flows from both of them.

The child cannot have two mothers. Any mother that cares about her child will not remarry a man that does want a child to be with his mother. To hell with stupid roof, house and other stupid rubbish that doesn't mean shit!!!

djon78:
Let me ask you a question. Why is traditional marriage done? Even before churches sanction you for a wedding, traditional marriage is done.

A man owns the children according to traditional marriage. The man came out from somewhere, a family or bloodline brought him to the world, he didn't fall from heaven. So the man and his offspring all belong to the same bloodline.

Woman going to marry another man cannot bring another man s children under the new husband, that's why the guys people talked to the new husband, and he clearly understood and saw reason with them.
And his dads family are taking good care of him till his teenage years. He is representing his father in that family history.



My case is totally different from this case.

Is it within EFCC powers to gift seized properties?

You can go and meet her husband on behalf of the family. Tell him to come and give his child another name. If anyone of you kidnappers cannot force the father to change his son's name, you have no point.

I can't see that stupid link you keep hammering on. He remains his father's child and therefore a right to inherit his father's property. The right to his property isn't only by name. His father recognised him as his son and that is all that matters. If the family like, they should even consider him a bastard, it is your headache. They want a fight, let them take it up with him.

Does your own logic make sense to you? Are you one of those douchebags in-laws? We hope to see you Roy in hell. Wicked people!

neyobills:
Oh the mom is disinterested in maintaining the link,then she should go ahead to change the name of the child to whatever name she is interested in the link.

You can't be disinterested in the link and at the same time use the link to own properties,you have to be be as disinterested in the properties as with the link.

Does your logic even make any sense to you,why am I not surprised with your comments I can see a cold hearted cunny double faced hypocrite.

HIS father's property. He is his father's dependant. He is his issue, his father's son. His right over his father's property superscedes his father's family. Unfortunately for you, they cannot enforce those silly rights in court.

Is it so difficult for you to grasp? Why on earth would you assume that those rights are even remotely equal? Let me break it down for you.

See ehn, my dad can ask me not to visit my grandparents. There is nothing my grandparents can do but lament. They cannot enforce such right or bar me from inheriting my mum's. However, it changes with me being an adult, my dad can say what he likes but he can't bar me from visiting them. Relationship between the child and his father's family is to be encouraged however they cannot force it or claim that is a right they are entitled to especially where the mum is disinterested maintaining that link. No one can blame her in the circumstance, they have proven themselves to be distrustful and wicked.

neyobills:
Oh I now get it you want to enforce the child's right over his father's property at the same time deny the family members of the deceased the right of identity over their own grandchild,isnt God just wonderful?

The child doesn't owe it to them, it is his father's name. The name that his father gave to him. If they have a problem with it, they should confront their son. I expect them to have dial number for the dead.

neyobills:
Technically if the family does not have a right to the child then the child does not have a right bearing the family name either technically losing any rights to any properties in the man's name.