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The court can criminalise deliberate transmission of HIV through interpretation until a law is enacted to protect unsuspecting victims.

However, it does not excuse what she has done at all. She should not be allowed to practice.

GidiWoodsMan:
What she did is technically wrong. But in a place like Nigeria where the government is yet to criminalise deliberate transmission of HIV, I think I can agree with the point she's trying to make.

Most people quietly start receiving treatment once they learn of their HIV+ status, but at the same time they struggle to infect as many other people as they can as a form of 'revenge'. Some even neglect to tell their future spouses who eventually contract the virus from them and die in ignorance (the 'slapping senator' Ishaku is a case in point.

How is it my or your business if he changed? If he commited a greivous crime, he deserves to face the music. We are not his victims, we don't get to speak about forgiveness or how he has changed. His victims have not forgotten, why should he let him forgive.

There are sins and there are sins. Some sins are bigger than others especially when it causes others substantial harm. He cannot claim to not have willingly hurt his victims. We can as well forgive every criminal who has committed a crime because they have changed and become pastors. If you are one of those that commit crime, your past will not be forgiven or forgotten even if you become an angel.

adeniyisamuel59:
How is he deceiving the gullible, are you saying Fatoyinbo has never changed since about 16 years ago. Who else has no past, just because he is a celebrity pastor, he must be pilloried because of of forgotten past, who else has no sin should first cast the stone.

Noz you do. It doesn't mean she can't say she was raped, some women talk about their experience whether rape or sexual assault . There are women out there who have disclosed such to their families and friends and there are those who don't. Busola is a public figure, she is trying to convince other victims to speak up not you. And Fatoyinbo got what he deserved, he is a public figure deceiving the gullible public.

dynicks:
My own is that had it been pastor Biodun were to be a poor/wretched fellow who hasn't acquired wealth or attained greatness or say were to be a nobody in the society, Would Mrs busola, being a celebrity which she is, have had the guts to have openly proclaimed that the man raped her?....EGO put into consideration here..

P.S...i do not support the issue/act of rape!!

Don't mind them. It is not a good lie. Something must have gone wrong somewhere.

tinsel:
I think Atiku knows what he is doing. Trying to use public sympathy to bend the minds of the judges. Nothing preventedd him from housing them in Abuja days before the day they will give evidence. They exactly know the game of mind they are playing. How can you have a witness to give evidence and you allow him to come all the way from Zamafara on the same day they will give evidence.

Of course, they are criminals. It is exactly the reason I couldn't fathom why the Doctor didn't send for the NMA or the Nigerian police when a patient walednin and claimed to be carrying cryptic pregnancy

Duggedised12:
then all the women who participate in it should be be arrested ,they are not diffent from the criminals holding young girls in baby factories. They are the ones encouraging the market for baby factory operators.

And men should start doing DNA test, if the child is not yours send her out.This is the only way since these women have convinced themselves that stealing babies for a price is the only way because they want to cut cost ,ignorance is not an excuse of the law,these women are criminals too as you have made me realize.

I know where the babies are coming from and I am aware of all the related consequences. I haven't argued whether it was conscionable or moral. For a woman who is desperate and could not care less, the cryptic option will definitely be the better option.

Duggedised12:
while you have argued for how cheaper and convinient it is for desperate women ,have you stopped to ask youself where the babies are coming from ?
Baby factory is a crime,it is one thing to not know that this is a scam but it is another thing to know and willing agree to be illegally given another person's baby.

There has been instances of babies being stolen from hospitals, young girls being help captive, impregnated and their babies taken from them, there was even a horrible case of a pregnant woman, torn open,left to die and her baby taken,and all you want to do is talk of how it is more convenient to go through a fradulent process?

I am not getting anything twisted. I am considering a desperate woman point of view

1) Cryptic pregnancy is cheaper and certain. IVF is never certain and it can be very expensive. Some are lucky, some aren't, some will never be lucky

2) Some of those who have their suspicions can convince themselves until it becomes the truth. They are certain if getting a baby at the end of it all. IVF requires a lot of faith and hope. The emotional cost of anxiety and depression may not be worth it

3) People overestimate the whole mini-me idea and all other blood related arguments. It is pure sentiment. It is an unpopular opinion but it doesn't make it less true. A child is always going to be a child so far you have dedicated so much to that child.

Once desperation to be called mummy and daddy sets in, biko forget the argument about having a child with your DNA. It beats going through that loop of disappointment for the unlucky and hopeless ones and the financial cost of going through it all.

My point of view is about the women out there who are desperate to have a child. It is not about myself or you.

Duggedised12:
of course they have their suspicions ,but when you have been desperate for a child for a long time, double checking will be the last thing you want to do. Some will not even want it confide in any close friend or relative.

No it doesn't beat ivf, having your own baby that carries your DNA can never be better than stealing a baby ,even if its just a few thousands cheaper. Some fertility clinics even do promos of 500k ivf procedure. So don't get it twisted.

I believe some of them have their suspicions but they would rather not think too deeply about it. While some may just be gullible.

Either way CS and the cost of it all still beats IVF. That is the sad truth.

Duggedised12:
if you want another person's baby ,why expose your self to a high risk of getting cancer and unnecessary pain of CS, you make it sound as if this women know they were being played?

After how may tries and at what financial and emotional cost?

With this lie, most of these desperate women get to pay little in return for someone else's baby.

Duggedised12:
who said it is? But its is more realistic, some people got their children after several tries, some ended up having natural conception after several failed ivf attempts but You can't compare it to this fraudulent procedure that puts the woman's life at risk. Imagine having to have a cs performed on a woman just to play the part. That is just mean, let's not even talk about the women who are held in baby factories where they are taking theses babies from.

IVF is not 100% certain

Duggedised12:
I heard about this 2 years ago, infact ,twins is 1.5- 2 million depends , while one baby is between 500- 800k

So I ask ,if you have this kind of money why not go for IVF? What is wrong with some people?

I hoped he sent a letter to the Nigerian medical association and copied the Nigerian police.

You murdered 5 out of 9 children, 300+ followers, arrested a man and his members because of some filmsy reason. Yet, Buhari's government chose not to prosecute the military men involved. No due process, no respect for the accused.

This was how the Jonathan blew up the Boko Haram movement.

blackpantar

Both of your heads are not correct. Why is it hard for you discuss your issues without Muslims into this,?

Muslims go against their clerics all the time. We dont consider them too pious to disagree with. Muslim clerics have been notifying the Government including The federal government which was during Obasanjo's about Boko Haram before everything went down South. Guess who failed to do anything about it? Not the Muslims and definitely not their clerics.

Also, Muslims constitute the majority of Boko Haram victims.

You are welcome.

femi4:
We are not hypocrite like Muslim. We don't keep quiet when one of us is in error.

Boko haram grew stronger cos Muslims kept quiet for so long until they started attacking Muslims and mosque.

You are not a true Christian if you see propagation of wrong teaching and keep quiet. Its her business cos she belongs to the faith

Better safe than sorry for all parties involve.

Buhari and the Senate Chapter 2

Or False news

DSS should pick him up. He needs to have sense by fire or by force

Bolustical:
Anyone who still believes that this man is a man of God needs deliverance.

True men of God don't incite fears and insecurity over non-existent threats.

Virtually all Nigerian major tribes are represented on our passports as well as currencies but as usual, they must deceive their undiscerning congregations and Buhari haters.


Unless you don't have a passport or just wants to be mischievous, you'd know Apostle Suliman intentionally picked the Fulanis to cause confusion.

The good news is that those who will be involved in getting the money are very very smart. It is very much harder to get away with crimes nowadays. They will find that money!

patchsk:
Nonsense.
Empty threat.

If I took $2.5k and return 1k dollars. Won't I be praised?

****in GEJ voice***

Even America will not know.

They do. They will sack and recover their money if you don't keep up with the payments

odave:
That's why it's better to always collect loan as a bank worker, I'm sure they won't attempt sack during the repayment period. I may be wrong sha. I have a friend there, I don't even know the best advice I can give him.

Newborn babies are ugly especially for the first few weeks of their lives. They are cute though but definitely not fine. You have been told a lie all your life. Embrace the truth for once.

abels:
coming from a woman , you must be a she goat

I know. Babies are cute but ugly.

Kuntos:
Same way u are ugly

Babies can be so ugly

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And they magically became the parents or have more rights than the mother because?

They are relative and not the parent. Being bedridden is not the same as inability to make decisions including who should care for her kid while she is still in recovery.

AxxeMan:
She is alive, while their relative is dead

Very stupid comments.

She as the mother whether bedridden or not is the only one capable of appointing a guardian for her child.

phineas:
Yes all that's needed is her signature and a good lawyer

Forgot this stupid comments on nairaland. Only her and a judge has the right to decide the child's well being.

The only condition medically allowed to separate a child from its mother can only be decided by a competent medical team

As I said earlier get a good lawyer file your case. Let the system sort out the rest. Don't forget to join the commisoner of police in the state ,the IGP and the Attorney General for traction. All the best

Next time, please don't engage me in silly argument. Limit your control obsession over your personal self.

A nice day to you too, love

olumalcolm:
now i understand where ur anger and argument is cmin from (i ust needed to read btw d lines of ur argument) Hv a nice dear.

Very silly comparison

1. Europe has grazing lands

2. Europe does not have herdsmen. The closest they have to herdsmen are gypsies and travellers. Funny enough, the prejudices against the gypsies/travellers are no different from Fulani herdsmen.

How have I been arguing blindly? You haven't even given me a damn good reasin why you think you should get to dictatate to MURIC?

Actually, I don't care about Adeboye speaking about government issues with exceptions. Unlike you, I don't care about MURIC and I don't agree with most issues they concern themselves with. I think they exist because of CAN. CAN has done a very good job of antagonising Islam and weaving conspiracy theories. Both MURIC and CAN deserve each other and they are doing a terrific job together.

olumalcolm:
why have u decided to argue blindly? i hope this same energy can be channeled to the post about pastor Adeboye not saying anytin about govt issues cos pple like u r blinded by religion.

Who are you to tell them what to focus on? Are you one of their promoters, members or directors?

ISI is a public school. We can damn well tell them how to run the school if it is infringing in students rights. In FCAT, the law can damn well determine how a school should be run including those silly private schools that restrict the movement of their students. It is their constitutional rights, nobody except the state can restrict it.

olumalcolm:
aunty if he has no biz wit ruga and all dose other issues we both mentioned, then he has no biz with how ISI run their sch cos i neva heard he is one of the sch board.

Is it legal in UK? Is sex trafficking legal in Germany and the Netherlands? Can illegal migrant workers work in Germany and the Netherlands?

Cletus77:
Ma hear word jhare!

Prostitute that is legal in Germany and many European countries see it as a functioning part of their economy? They're making noise because it's Nigerians

This days if you want to be famous just attack Nigerians and other blacks or Nigerians Join u.. u're famous.

I Know some Nigerians will support this because no be white ashawo!

Death penalty is too harsh. Sometimes this issue is not clear cut. There should be exceptions.

Are you one of those that make false rape allegations?

He is very right. False accusers should get same sentence as rapists.

ChyChy17:
Are youva rapist? Just asking......

Why can't a 14 year old overpower an 18 year old girl?

tuzle:
Dis news get as it be. I don't even know what punishment the boy should be given before he becomes a serial rapist, I had to read the news to the end because I was wandering how a 14 year old boy could overpower an 18 year old girl.