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Na, I think they are very good at spreading rumours or mixed up facts. It makes for a good story.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-africa-44655148


Unlike you, I didn't need a news outlet to figure out what is happening.

MyGeneration:
lol so the residents who are withnessing everything first hand and suffering the consequence is spreading fake news while u who stay in far away lagos know the truth

Cry me a River...do you want a big bowl for your tears?

therealpeace:
Boko Haram, Fulani herdsmen, Tuareg, ISIS, Osama Bin laden, Alqadar, Darsh, Nigeria former leaders etc are all Sunni group. Only Shite group categorize as terrorist group is hezbollar, and it is more of a liberation group. I think Sunni islam is a curse to the world... people with slavish mentality, see yoruba moslems, they are ready to compromize the yoruba nation to the servitude of the caliphate. I still dont understand who annointed sultan of Sokoto as leader of Yoruba moslem, they have been subdued and subjugated, they are presently ahent of the caliphate to destroy the great Yoruba empire

You are right actually. I got my timeline mixed up.

Mordecai:
It appears you are getting your timelines all warped. GEJ was not acting president when Mohammed Yusuf was killed. Yaradua was. Also, El-zakzaky's three sons were killed when GEJ was president, not Buhari.

Can you take out time and check these things out? As for the Chibok girls, GEJ was in denial, much to his shame. However, it appears you keep shifting the goal post. If you wish to discuss these issues, please educate yourself on the details. I really am not a history teacher.

It is because we have common sense and we know this shit is fake news.

We don't like Buhari. We don't care about him. However, we know that if we handled this madness the way you are all inciting yourselves. It will be civil war 2.0 all over again for no fucking reason other than being bigots.

Nigerian highways have never been safe. Whatever is happening at the moment is more than being Fulani. It is about how your country is now a failed state. What do you think was going to happen with the way economy is turning into shit. Are we all going to pretend that these madness is limited to the Fulani alone? Those residents should continue spread falsehoods. There are criminals in that bush. Let's not incite falsehoods and bigotry.

Femolacaster:
Some Yoruba's that are still defending these killers, maybe it's because of their love for president or APC, just pray that you or your family member fall into their nets, then your brain will be on reset. Iku to n pa ojugba eni, owe ni o npa fun ni.

How sweet? Aren't a cute wee victim of Buhari's hate?

cosef:
This one is simply confusing and contradicting herself and believing she is making an intellectual impression.

Do an unbiased review of your mumbo-jumbo,
you'll find that there is more I.Q in a morsel of cow dung than in the litany of crap you wrote there.

GEJ did not do anything about the extra judicial killings. He was the acting President then. Perhaps, if he had done something, many people wouldn't have lost their lives to the insurgency. Buhari has made same mistakes with Phyton dance and he is making the same with this Shias.

GEJ did not redeem himself. Continue telling yourself that. He was the same president that was in denial that students were abducted.

Mordecai:
The topic here is not Boko Haram. But I will indulge you and deviate briefly, hoping that we are not going to go back and forth over this pointlessly.

Mohammed Yusuf was killed in 2009, a year before GEJ became President. He was killed extrajudicially in the custody of the NPF. That single act was the main catalyst that transformed the movement into the terrorist group it became under the leadership of Shekau. GEJ became president on 2010.

While the group was able to take control of many LGAs under the watch of GEJ, he redeemed himself when he carried out a 6-week operation that reclaimed back ALL those territories, prior to the 2015 elections.

The massacre happened during Buhari not GEJ.

GEJ is responsible for far worse. Like I stated z what did he do to those who killed the first Boko Haram leader?

Mordecai:
He did not hang the military men involved. But he kept the peace.

El-zakzaky lost three sons that day, but hell did not break loose. If you could recall, the present leaders killing his followers tried goading him then into taking a hardline stance against GEJ. All that is history now, but for anyone willing to understand what is happening now, it's an important thing to note.

1) Calling Igbos 5% is not hate

2) Fulani herdsmen are not terrorists. There are criminals who are Fulani whose occupation may or may not be herdsmen. It does not warrant Fulani herdsmen to be called terrorists.

3) Phython dance was extreme. It was against IPOB, and yes it is a terrorist organisation. This is not about Biafra. Everything that happened with Phython, is the unfortunate consequence of being in a developing country with disregard for human rights. Is Buhari to be blamed? Yes. Does it mean Buhari hates Igbos? No. He just doesn't care at all.

4) What about the allocation? Tell me about the allocation during GEJ's regime? Tell us about what GEJ did differently?

I would rather go blind or senile than play VICTIM. In case you don't know, being a Nigerian is all you need to hate Buhari. Using your tribe as a weapon, it is taking too far.

TroubleMaker47:
Call igbos 5% isn't hate?

Calling for python dance on unarmed civilians and taggin dem terrorists isn't hate? (At the same time calling his brothers who hv killed over a thousand innocent citizens for no cause, bandits!!!)

Shutting down igbo owned biz in the name of WAI isn't hate?

Delibrate loopsided project allocation isn't hate?

YOU ARE EITHER BLIND or SENILE! Either way, I'm unapologetic about it!

How did he hate Igbos first? We want instances.


I don't think Buhari hates other tribes. I think he is more trusting of his tribe than other tribes and unfortunately, he lacks diplomacy.

QueenSekxy:
We have seen how he now treats those SW and MB that adore and worship him.

Those gworo chewing almajiri talking about religion, please, is Atiku, Yara Dua Christians?


We Igbos hate him cos he first hated us, hate Christians, he is a terrorist sympathizer, a corrupt and backward lunatic, a religious fanatic, a tribal bigot and cow fvcker.

Let us continue to show our disapproval of his ineptitude towards his repugnant demeanour.
We don't hide our feelings, we don't lick asses, we say it as it is and if you aren't comfortable with it, you can join Awolowo in rat poisoning.

If you are Igbo, and we sense the ass licking nature in You, we will label you a saboteur. We don't worship anybody, be you who!!!

Let's set the record straight again


Was it not GEJ that acted as a catalyst for Boko Haram?

Mordecai:
Another bit of history to set the records straight.

When the Nigerian Army assassinated three sons of El-Zakzaky in 2014, GEJ personally put a call through to him and apologized.

That's what a leader does that wants peace.

A leader that want peace would have prosecuted those involved.

Mordecai:
Another bit of history to set the records straight.

When the Nigerian Army assassinated three sons of El-Zakzaky in 2014, GEJ personally put a call through to him and apologized.

That's what a leader does that wants peace.

That is why I said Burutai lack common sense. I wonder how he got to that position?

Every leader idiot would know that when you see a gathering of people, it is a time bomb waiting to explode. They can do and undo.

The Army should have handled it better or TURNED BACK

However, we are Nigerians. They must show that they are powerful. The Army was too powerful to admit defeat, too proud to turn back. They should be taught a lesson and so therefore, they were taught a lesson.


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Tinubu and Osibanjo working together to siphon our money.

Yes? And 500+ military men died?

Rules of engagement under Geneva Convention said when people refuse to allow Chief of Commander to pass. They should escalate the matter and leave 300+ bodies.

The Chief of Army could have put on his best fakest smile, asked to see their leader, cajole them but no they choose to escalate it.

fkj950ax:
For the avoidance of doubt, the convoy was attacked with weapons. Not just sticks and stones.
The army had every legal right to respond with force as per the Rules of Engagement even under the Geneva Convention.

Human rights issues against the Shia Movement is another kettle of fish and should not be swept under the rug with the reason for the arrest of their leader.

I am proudly naive

Which of the NGOs? You haven't been paying attention.

It would have been a slap because the military and unruly civilians are fighting over seniority abi?

Proudlyngwa:
You are naive about the army and rules of engagement.

If they COAS had turned back, it would have been a slap to Nigeria as a whole. Why do you think most of the foreign NGOs didn't push for sanctions, because the shites crossed a very rough line and could set precedence.
The office of the chief of army staff represents the army and he would have lost all respect, if he had turned back,

If you engage the military, they have a right to defend themselves and they are not trained in nonlethal warfare..

What we should be worried about is, what gives the shites so much confidence that makes them feel they are above authority and even close down public utilities during their procession irrespective of whoever is coming.

Wow! Killing 300+ civilians was definitely the wiser option

You must be so smart. In your own wisdom, escalating beats managing crisis? Are you ready to supply the Army all the men in your family if this issue escalates further?

BenzEne1:
The Chief of Army Staff should turn back because a group of civilians are carrying out a procession illegally on the highway??

How una take dey reason all these things wey una dey talk sef. Na wa o

And prosecute Burutai.

I don't care about the barricade. The army could have turned back, handled in a different manner, asked to speak to their leader but no, they had to use brute force as expected.

EdoNation:
buhari should just release their leader jaare

People like me vs them. They want to feel superior, act like they are the better tribe and vice versa. At the end of the day, both sides will pay heavily for it if things are not handled right.

Look, if you go far back in history, most Nigerian tribes migrated from somewhere and came to where they are now...as did many other African tribes.

The Lingala of the DR Congo came originally from what is now Nigeria for example.

I know the Fulani herdsmen have commited lots of crimes, and yes, they are wrong. So also have other tribes against the FUlanis. It does not make taking the laws into the hands by anyone right.

So, stop the bigotry. For all I know, your tribe migrated from somewhere else and came here. I know of one Southern Kaduna tribe that claims to have come from Egypt centuries ago. Does that make them foreigners.

Pu[b]t pressure on your legislator to pass bills to strenghten the police. We all benefit from a peaceful country. Not from a replay of Nazi-like tactics.
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Know that the Rwanda genocide started when some Hutu were calling Tutusi Ethiopians....

Criminals killed your daughter. Let's not tribalise this shit. Nigerian government should be blamed because it failed to protect your daughter and provide adequate security for her. Nigeria is a failed state and you contributed to that.

The court can criminalise deliberate transmission of HIV through interpretation until a law is enacted to protect unsuspecting victims.

However, it does not excuse what she has done at all. She should not be allowed to practice.

GidiWoodsMan:
What she did is technically wrong. But in a place like Nigeria where the government is yet to criminalise deliberate transmission of HIV, I think I can agree with the point she's trying to make.

Most people quietly start receiving treatment once they learn of their HIV+ status, but at the same time they struggle to infect as many other people as they can as a form of 'revenge'. Some even neglect to tell their future spouses who eventually contract the virus from them and die in ignorance (the 'slapping senator' Ishaku is a case in point.

How is it my or your business if he changed? If he commited a greivous crime, he deserves to face the music. We are not his victims, we don't get to speak about forgiveness or how he has changed. His victims have not forgotten, why should he let him forgive.

There are sins and there are sins. Some sins are bigger than others especially when it causes others substantial harm. He cannot claim to not have willingly hurt his victims. We can as well forgive every criminal who has committed a crime because they have changed and become pastors. If you are one of those that commit crime, your past will not be forgiven or forgotten even if you become an angel.

adeniyisamuel59:
How is he deceiving the gullible, are you saying Fatoyinbo has never changed since about 16 years ago. Who else has no past, just because he is a celebrity pastor, he must be pilloried because of of forgotten past, who else has no sin should first cast the stone.

Noz you do. It doesn't mean she can't say she was raped, some women talk about their experience whether rape or sexual assault . There are women out there who have disclosed such to their families and friends and there are those who don't. Busola is a public figure, she is trying to convince other victims to speak up not you. And Fatoyinbo got what he deserved, he is a public figure deceiving the gullible public.

dynicks:
My own is that had it been pastor Biodun were to be a poor/wretched fellow who hasn't acquired wealth or attained greatness or say were to be a nobody in the society, Would Mrs busola, being a celebrity which she is, have had the guts to have openly proclaimed that the man raped her?....EGO put into consideration here..

P.S...i do not support the issue/act of rape!!

Don't mind them. It is not a good lie. Something must have gone wrong somewhere.

tinsel:
I think Atiku knows what he is doing. Trying to use public sympathy to bend the minds of the judges. Nothing preventedd him from housing them in Abuja days before the day they will give evidence. They exactly know the game of mind they are playing. How can you have a witness to give evidence and you allow him to come all the way from Zamafara on the same day they will give evidence.

Of course, they are criminals. It is exactly the reason I couldn't fathom why the Doctor didn't send for the NMA or the Nigerian police when a patient walednin and claimed to be carrying cryptic pregnancy

Duggedised12:
then all the women who participate in it should be be arrested ,they are not diffent from the criminals holding young girls in baby factories. They are the ones encouraging the market for baby factory operators.

And men should start doing DNA test, if the child is not yours send her out.This is the only way since these women have convinced themselves that stealing babies for a price is the only way because they want to cut cost ,ignorance is not an excuse of the law,these women are criminals too as you have made me realize.

I know where the babies are coming from and I am aware of all the related consequences. I haven't argued whether it was conscionable or moral. For a woman who is desperate and could not care less, the cryptic option will definitely be the better option.

Duggedised12:
while you have argued for how cheaper and convinient it is for desperate women ,have you stopped to ask youself where the babies are coming from ?
Baby factory is a crime,it is one thing to not know that this is a scam but it is another thing to know and willing agree to be illegally given another person's baby.

There has been instances of babies being stolen from hospitals, young girls being help captive, impregnated and their babies taken from them, there was even a horrible case of a pregnant woman, torn open,left to die and her baby taken,and all you want to do is talk of how it is more convenient to go through a fradulent process?

I am not getting anything twisted. I am considering a desperate woman point of view

1) Cryptic pregnancy is cheaper and certain. IVF is never certain and it can be very expensive. Some are lucky, some aren't, some will never be lucky

2) Some of those who have their suspicions can convince themselves until it becomes the truth. They are certain if getting a baby at the end of it all. IVF requires a lot of faith and hope. The emotional cost of anxiety and depression may not be worth it

3) People overestimate the whole mini-me idea and all other blood related arguments. It is pure sentiment. It is an unpopular opinion but it doesn't make it less true. A child is always going to be a child so far you have dedicated so much to that child.

Once desperation to be called mummy and daddy sets in, biko forget the argument about having a child with your DNA. It beats going through that loop of disappointment for the unlucky and hopeless ones and the financial cost of going through it all.

My point of view is about the women out there who are desperate to have a child. It is not about myself or you.

Duggedised12:
of course they have their suspicions ,but when you have been desperate for a child for a long time, double checking will be the last thing you want to do. Some will not even want it confide in any close friend or relative.

No it doesn't beat ivf, having your own baby that carries your DNA can never be better than stealing a baby ,even if its just a few thousands cheaper. Some fertility clinics even do promos of 500k ivf procedure. So don't get it twisted.

I believe some of them have their suspicions but they would rather not think too deeply about it. While some may just be gullible.

Either way CS and the cost of it all still beats IVF. That is the sad truth.

Duggedised12:
if you want another person's baby ,why expose your self to a high risk of getting cancer and unnecessary pain of CS, you make it sound as if this women know they were being played?

After how may tries and at what financial and emotional cost?

With this lie, most of these desperate women get to pay little in return for someone else's baby.

Duggedised12:
who said it is? But its is more realistic, some people got their children after several tries, some ended up having natural conception after several failed ivf attempts but You can't compare it to this fraudulent procedure that puts the woman's life at risk. Imagine having to have a cs performed on a woman just to play the part. That is just mean, let's not even talk about the women who are held in baby factories where they are taking theses babies from.

IVF is not 100% certain

Duggedised12:
I heard about this 2 years ago, infact ,twins is 1.5- 2 million depends , while one baby is between 500- 800k

So I ask ,if you have this kind of money why not go for IVF? What is wrong with some people?

I hoped he sent a letter to the Nigerian medical association and copied the Nigerian police.

You murdered 5 out of 9 children, 300+ followers, arrested a man and his members because of some filmsy reason. Yet, Buhari's government chose not to prosecute the military men involved. No due process, no respect for the accused.

This was how the Jonathan blew up the Boko Haram movement.

blackpantar

Both of your heads are not correct. Why is it hard for you discuss your issues without Muslims into this,?

Muslims go against their clerics all the time. We dont consider them too pious to disagree with. Muslim clerics have been notifying the Government including The federal government which was during Obasanjo's about Boko Haram before everything went down South. Guess who failed to do anything about it? Not the Muslims and definitely not their clerics.

Also, Muslims constitute the majority of Boko Haram victims.

You are welcome.

femi4:
We are not hypocrite like Muslim. We don't keep quiet when one of us is in error.

Boko haram grew stronger cos Muslims kept quiet for so long until they started attacking Muslims and mosque.

You are not a true Christian if you see propagation of wrong teaching and keep quiet. Its her business cos she belongs to the faith